What's the second Vatican counsel?
Why is it important?
What did it change?
What will it change?
What roles did it play?
What's the second Vatican counsel?
Wyatt Smith
Other urls found in this thread:
youtube.com
catholic.com
forward.com
forward.com
archive.is
archive.is
en.wikipedia.org
en.m.wikipedia.org
twitter.com
Samuel Miller
Google "Second Vatican Council".
And do your own homework.
Ryan Rivera
Stop right there Senate user faggot.
Lucas Thomas
You know those beautiful Latin masses that connect us with 1500 years of Christian tradition? Those are gone.
Jace Campbell
this
Brayden Jenkins
IDK. I get to be edgy by saying there hasn't been a real pope since
Julian Wood
It was a good idea - more modern church - but ultimately it's how the communist made it into the vatican.
Interestingly, Fatimas 3rd prophecy of 10-13-1917 was unsealed in 1960. It warned of communism in the church and the end of the world.
It was covered up. Thirteen years later, to the day, was the Akita prophecy. Same thing, but only ratzinger would listen to her. The church denied it, and basically pushed him out.
We are living in interesting times...
Jose Clark
V2 was the Jews driving a stake deep into the heart of the Church. Francis is one of the results.
Bentley Phillips
This!!
I was just reading about Mel Gibson and his father. His father was a certified genius who hated Jews and rejected every Pope after Pius XII.
I want to know more....
Parker Ramirez
My instincts tell me they jewed the church after WW2.
Nathaniel Robinson
Watch this. It will reveal the blasphemy of the second Vatican council.
Alexander Diaz
How exactly did it come into the church?
What effect did it have?
Cooper Watson
OPs of this format are spam, probably from a bot. Do not reply to spam. The goal of this sort of brainless thread is to quickly inflate the number of threads in the catalog, "sliding" legitimate discussion off the board. Sage, ignore, or report spam. Every OP ought to generally have some sort of context, source and argument, and be more than an open-ended demand for information. Type "sage" in the options field and demand better content.
Hunter Martin
Fifty Years of Vatican II
catholic.com
Lucas Perez
forward.com
>As I discovered while researching my recently published book, “From Enemy to Brother: The Revolution in Catholic Teaching on the Jews, 1933–1965,” these experts did not begin their work in the 1960s. From outposts in Austria and Switzerland, several had tried to formulate Catholic arguments against anti-Semitism under the shadow of Nazism three decades earlier. They were as unrepresentative of Catholicism as one can imagine. Not only were they, Central Europeans, brave enough to stand up to Hitler when it counted, but they mostly had not been born Catholic. The Catholics who helped bring the church to recognition of the continuing sanctity of the Jewish people were converts, many of them from Jewish families.
Adam Morgan
>>Most important was Johannes Oesterreicher, born in 1904 into the home of the Jewish veterinarian Nathan and his wife, Ida, in Stadt-Liebau, a German-language community in northern Moravia. As a boy, he took part in Zionist scouting and acted as elected representative of the Jews in his high school, but then, for reasons that remain inexplicable (he later said he ”fell in love with Christ”), Oesterreicher took an interest in Christian writings (Cardinal Newman, Kierkegaard and the Gospels themselves), and under the influence of a priest later martyred by the Nazis (Max Josef Metzger) he became a Catholic and then a priest. In the early 1930s he took over the initiative of the Diocese of Vienna for converting Jews, hoping to bring family and friends into the church. In this his success was limited. Where he had an impact was in gathering other Catholic thinkers to oppose Nazi racism. To his shock, Oesterreicher found this racism entering the work of leading Catholic thinkers, who taught that Jews were racially damaged and therefore could not receive the grace of baptism. His friends in this endeavor included fellow converts like philosopher Dietrich von Hildebrand and the theologian Karl Thieme and political philosopher Waldemar Gurian. In 1937, Gurian, Oesterreicher and Thieme penned a Catholic statement on the Jews, arguing, against the racists, that Jews carried a special holiness.
Jayden Jenkins
regardless. V2 is bad and this thread will lead at least a few people to that conclusion.
Noah Edwards
Crypto kikes. Like pic related.
Wyatt Butler
Sounds like someone doesn't want the common man to wake up? No, I'm not a bot.
Easton Perry
>In 1961, Oesterreicher was summoned for work in the Vatican II committee tasked with the “Jewish question,” which became the most difficult issue to face the bishops. At one critical moment in October 1964, priests Gregory Baum and Bruno Hussar joined Oesterreicher in assembling what became the final text of the council’s decree on the Jews, voted on by the bishops a year later. Like Oesterreicher, Baum and Hussar were converts of Jewish background.
>They were continuing a trend going back to the First Vatican Council in 1870, when the brothers Lémann — Jews who had become Catholics and priests — presented a draft declaration on relations between the church and Jews, stating that Jews “are always very dear to God” because of their fathers and because Christ has issued from them “according to the flesh.” Without converts to Catholicism, it seems, the Catholic Church would never have “thought its way” out of the challenges of racist anti-Judaism.
>The high percentage of Jewish converts like Oesterreicher among Catholics who were opposed to anti-Semitism makes sense: In the 1930s they were targets of Nazi racism who could not avoid the racism that had entered the church. In their opposition, they were simply holding their church to its own universalism. But by turning to long-neglected passages in St. Paul’s letter to the Romans, they also opened the mind of the church to a new appreciation of the Jewish people.
forward.com
really makes you think
archive.is
archive.is
Christopher Gray
Wasn't he just a faggot?
Jacob Bailey
anyone with a firm grasp of reality knows the Catholic Church is doomed
Nathan Kelly
This is called the Scorzelli staff. Previous popes refused to use it because it looked too ghoulish and almost like an insult to christ. Francis of course chose to bring it out of storage for use.
Owen Bennett
major red pill for me right now....thanks everyone....is it even possible to worship under the old style?
Jackson Rivera
pic related
Faggot/yid
Matthew Cook
The Church tried to reconcile itself with the modern world and reconnect with the younger generation. It eased up on traditions like habit-wearing, Latin-speaking, and traditional liturgical music.
Ryder Lee
fucking jews
every
fucking
time
Colton Bell
John XXIII and Paul VI said it was a pastoral Council, unlike any Council ever called before, which abstained from the mark of infallibility.
It defined no dogma, but it did recount some dogma, ...in long, twisted, rambling language.
A Council is meant to clarify doctrine.
Fifty years later we are still trying to figure out what the hell it did; at least, those who really, really want to force the Council to an infallible Council to end all Councils.
It taught three things that were already rejected and condemned by the Magisterium of the Church:
>ecumenism
>collegiality
>religious liberty
These things are merely pastoral "orientations" (more appropriately called disorientations).
Matthew Reyes
wow, not only did the nazis fight for preservation of the white race, it would appear they fought for the preservation of the catholic church.
Ethan King
Communism was prophesied to the church starting in late 1800s.
It came in several ways, usually modernity is cited, but most importantly, the jesuit push for openness, or relativeness to the church - basically welcoming all religions.
Jesuits were not allowed to become pope. Our current pope is a Jesuit. In fact, he is a liberarition theory jesuit. Basically, a Marxist - as predicted.
Connor Kelly
This was said during the Arian crisis when 95% of the hierarchy had apostatized and the faithful had to resort to having Mass in the deserts and the plains.
This was said after the Great Schism of 1054.
This was said after Christendom was fractured by Protestantism and its new doctrines had given rise to a million individual "popes" all governing "churches" of their own creation.
We're witnessing the chastisement of the Church. Scripture (Col 1:24; et al) tells us that the Church is Christ's Body.
Since it is the Body of Christ, it must follow Christ in His passion.
Humiliation, scourging, the Via Dolorosa (way of the Cross), crucifixion, apparent death, and glorious resurrection.
The Bride of Christ will return more glorious than she was before after this white martyrdom and subsequent red martyrdom.
Ryan Myers
There are churches that do that, yes.
en.wikipedia.org
Levi Harris
bump
The same artist who created the staff also made this sculpture.
Levi Ortiz
bumpity
