Transhumanism, post-humanism

Prove me that mortality isn't a main enemy of the humanity and it shouldn't been solved in next 50 years in any costs.
Pro tip: you can't.

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if we allowed people to live forever then we'd have the eternal jew for eternity.

really let that sink in.

what's the point in living forever if you have to constantly deal with niggers and faggots?

Lol. But you can be a eternal nazi for that jew.
Intellect level of fags and niggers on eternity will rise on a level of normal person being. So all that subhumans will finally reach normality.

worked pretty well for you guys when you got rid of morals only a few tens of millions of you died
if your willing to do it again you deserve it

death is the solution to everything, living forever only creates problems

yeah I get it, you want to shitpost and jerk off forever. that's cool, fag. that's some really cool shit.

This, humans should stop dying, but thats probably impossible. If we could at least find a way to create new humans that would also solve problem...

Morales tell us that human life is the most valuable thing in the world. And we have ~300-160k people dying every day. It's unacceptable.

We can replace parts of our body right now. Brain can survive by itself for ~200-300 years. And we can replace brain neurons by parts either.
Immortality doesn't mean that you are obligated to live forever. It only means that you can live as much as you want and there is no limit on longecity.

Death is a right like life. It is granted us by nature and we can't reject it.

and somehow this would be counteracted with ultra authoritarian regimes?

also i dont think human life is the most valuable thing in the world i think most human are scum of the earth
also there is no 1 morals everybody's morality is different

We are created by nature to rule. Death is unacceptable from many points of view - economical, moral, biological, ideological.
Social world is now too complicated to get it properly for each person.
For sure not, it's unefficient. Probably artificial intellect dictatorship is acceptable, but small group of people can't provide nice level of governorship.
There are some universal values, because people were pretty same ~5-6 k years ago. Subjective estimations don't matter. We are talking about your personal interests and personal interests of each living person in the world. We have been dealing with this awful death for too much. Most countries have forbidden death penalties, but all people are forced to die.

>Death is unacceptable from many points of view
>Biological
All organisms have their own due date, how can you keep an organism from dying if it keeps eroding naturally by itself?

If I had the choice I would become immortal

"We are created by nature to rule"
Making a lot of assumptions

>We are created by nature to rule
No we aren't. Nature is superior to us, it has created us and you saying it should rule is like being a rebellious sun - Nature rules us. It is the universal order, with us or without us nature will still be there.

rebellious son*

Does that sign read, "We are Russians - God is with us", or what?

Not if you gas them.

how will you develop an AI that is perfect like that and if an AI actual achieves this level of advancement and power why would it care for the likes of humans if it has no sense of morality,
what is to stop that AI if it is truly perfect or good enough to dictate everybody else
and if it did have a killswitch or something of the sort the person in control of that would effectively be the dictator

why do you have a problem with death there is nothing wrong with it it is natural and necessary to continue development of the world and our race
if you believe in darwinism or evolution then your point of view is counter intuitive

The main enemy of humanity is Marxism, which is the cultural doctrine which denounces basic human traits as flawed, and intends to eradicate them. Something that can only be achieved through eradicating humanity itself.

Mortality ends after you die. Marxism does not.

If you worked with people in any way, retail, technician or mechanic, you'd understand we need to kill whoever's working on immortality, considering some of the specimens walking out there.

Yeah.

>t. all those moments, gone, like... tears in the rain

Commies brain damaged faggots (trannys and gays) Niggers and kikes are the main problem in humanity dying is the least of our concerns at least you can't see triggered subhumans and braindead faggots when your dead

trashhumanism is willingly wanting autism, giving up humanity

Are you kidding, lol?
Nature is simple and retarded as fuck. And so fucking slow. To create simple life it took 2 fucking billions of years. To develope something that we can reproduce in years - dozens millions. Nature is very VERY slow and primitive.
It's a part of evolutionary program that worked good last several billions of years and now there is no need in it. We can choose DNA we want to see in next generations ourselfes. And there is no need to die to make enought space for future generations - we have eternal fucking space and a lot of place here. I don't wanna die till I'm at least 300-400 years old. And I know too much people over 50-60 that are fucking childs in general and it's not because of ideology or mental illness it's because of lack of subjective experience.
Every single fucking person would become immortal. No one want to die today or tomorrow besides suicidal ppl in depression, and their desicion made not in a clear concious. Every fucking person in the world want to live more and more.
Morality can be formalized. It's from the game's theory. Most AI developers save an ability to turn it off and self-savement measures. And for sure we will grow up this AI so it understand our values. And our values are pretty rational. I mean there is no need in killing or harming other subjects without significant profit. And I'm sure it would be clear to advanced enough AI, just as gratitude for creation.
>darvinism or evolution
Natural selection processes are too fucking slow. We can do it's job in one-two generations of selection and eugenics. It took ~30-40 years to grow a normal, well-being human being, advanced enough to make a significant impact in professional area. For nature 40 y o == half dead
Stop fighting fiction enemies, grow up, fucking kid.
Yp.

>Prove me that mortality isn't a main enemy of the humanity and it shouldn't been solved
You should acept death. It is a necesary part of life. With out death there is not change, your kind lose the ability to adapt

I'm not going to accept death in any parts. I will do whatever I can to overcome this final enemy. Death is opressor and dictator that governs with fear. We are human beings and can decide ourselfes when to leave this world. And advanced enough to adapt, develope and survive.
I would like to communicate with many people from the past. Death took this ability.

the certainty of death makes life precious in the first place.

>would like to communicate with many people from the past. Death took this ability
The people from the pasta communicate to you un the forma of tradition and written works.
You should focus un having a meaningfull life that will make tour mortality something you can accept

If the Jews lived forever but goyim died, Jews would be the rulers for eternity. Also
>implying you couldn't colonize some other planet to get away from Jews

>death is the solution to everything, living forever only creates problems
Then kys fag

>it's a necessary part of life
for now
>without death there is not change, you kind lose the ability to adapt
I don't know what you mean by that, are you talking about evolution? Assuming we reach the level of technology necessary to achieve biological immortality we would probably have the technology to mutate ourselves so we could adapt to new situations.

It only makes me feel nihilistic. Why should I work for something good when I know that I will lose it all quite soon?

Relevant:
youtube.com/watch?v=ok8N2PkqCDs

You are losing the point. Of the life expectancy tends to infinitum, the chance to die in an accident tends to 1.
You WILL die, by accidente or by entropy.
You know you will die, you have the same problem

Given human nature, if people got hit on the head by a baseball bat every week, pretty soon they would invent reasons why getting hit on the head with a baseball bat was a good thing. But if you took someone who wasn't being hit on the head with a baseball bat, and you asked them if they wanted it, they would say no. I think that if you took someone who was immortal, and asked them if they wanted to die for benefit X, they would say no.

work to be able to enjoy the fruits of your labour, not to accumulate. i presume you have sex to enjoy it, not to mark checkboxes in some diary.

well I'm not denying it, that's what I'm talking about biological immortality (the ability to not die from old age). Still there is a huge difference between 10000 years and 80 years, so I don't think the "well you are going to die anyway" argument is good enough.

>what are asymptotes
This is only true if there is a limit to how small the chance of dying can be at any given unit of time. If the chance of dying can be made to be infinitely small, there is a non-zero probability of living forever. See pic related.

It is hard to enjoy a meal when you know it's gonna be taken away in a minute.
We are in a constant race against time and the realization that it's all pointless in the end (from an individual's perspective) is really spoiling the life experience for me.

>Overpopulation
>Eternally living rich people who with enough time monopolize everything and might even take over the world
>On plus side, we might get an immortal super ruler who is actually good at his job and thinks of the people and not just special interest groups and cabals

God is not with you.

If it gets too fucked up in this world, you can always kill yourself and end it all, just like you inevitably would, in a life where immortality doesn't exist

That is awesome. Poles feel that way too. I wish Poles and Russians could forget the past and move forward together as one. Now THAT would be a dream team!

kek

The integral of a probability funtion in the whole domain is 1 by definition.

"in a minute" is different from "any minute". since you don't know exactly when you're going to die, why not enjoy living until then?

Science is full of shit. They can only approximate perfection. Nothing they do comes close to the animals of nature.

>hurr durr just bee urself
Enjoying life isn't a conscious decision. You're oversimplifying everything. Sit down and think for a minute about the implications of ceasing to exist after death. Terrifying stuff if you ask me.

Yes, you have a good point, it is not the same.
But death would still chasing you and so, you will still fear him.
Death is so sure of victory, he gave us a whole life of handicap

>is 1 by definition
But a non-zero percentage of that probability of 1 is a probability that you will live literally forever. If any hypothetical event had a probability of 1 of happening given enough time, that would lead to contradictions.

tak

my russkije s nami Bog

>posts on Sup Forums
>thinks he isn't already autistic

>overpopulation
>implying overpopulated shitholes that can't even afford aspirine could pay for such treatments
>since they are also highly religious, not many will go for these kind of shit
>those who do will get beheaded by ISIS like groups
>Since any treatment that would drastically prolonge our lifespans would most likely be rejuvenation therapies, they wouldn't even benefit from them because they are not dying of old age anyway

Death isn't something to fear. People need to die. We simply aren't meant to live more than a hundred years or so. Any longer and existence begins to lose meaning.

If you lived for a million years and only had one serious lover every century, you'd have 10,000 lovers. How long before Sue blurs with Natalie blurs with Ruby? How long until the days lose their meaning? Imagine being a man from 1850 trying to live today. The world is so different in just 150 years, how could you cope? And you want to live for 150 thousand years? Death is the ultimate motivator to action. If you have 5 minutes to take out the trash, you'll do it immediately. If you have 5 million years, well, why bother? Why do anything if there's always more time to do it? Death motivates us to carve our names in the annals of history through great deeds before we slip to death.

>oh vey the world without me will be a shithole
i'm pretty sure the world won't end after you or i die. but i'm curious: how do you plan to percieve that terror after death without receptors that feed you info about the environment you exist in?

Chance is a number/ 0

Look at how drastically the world order has changed in just 500 years. Now imagine living for 5,000 years of that change. Just 40 years ago the world was very, very different from today. If you lived for thousands of years, you'd see hundreds of political orders to rise and fall.

It's all your fucking fault we were thinking in how to preserve the environment while you were making a-bombs on the daily basis.

>>oh vey the world without me will be a shithole
wut?
The world won't end, but that is completely irrelevant because I will end, so from my perspective, everything ends, world included.
I will not perceive any terror when I die, I will perceive it before death. However, I'd rather perceive terror than perceive absolutely nothing at all.

I came to the realization that "meaning" doesn't exist. Even if God made us for a purpose, why would that add meaning to our existence? We'd exist just to worship him. Seems rather pointless.

So if meaning doesn't exist, how can "meaninglessness" exist, given that it exists only by contrast of meaning? It cannot, so life cannot be meaningless or meaningful. The question is simply wrong.

>Death isn't something to fear. People need to die. We simply aren't meant to live more than a hundred years or so. Any longer and existence begins to lose meaning.
[citation needed]

>Death is the ultimate motivator to action
It's also the ultimate demotivator for some. If I had an unlimited lifespan I would try a lot of shit that I am not doing now because of time prioritization

That does not offer me peace of mind. It is the temporary nature of life that makes me question its' meaning. I'm sure I'd think about it a bit even if natural death did not exist, but these thought would not be as painful and panic inducing.

This is only true if x is some constant probability. In my scenario, x is continuously shrinking, so lim(time->infinity) x = 0.

Think about it this way. Suppose there were a 1% chance of dying on Day 1. Then an 0.5% chance of dying on Day 2. Then an 0.25% chance of dying on Day 3, then an 0.125% chance of dying on Day 4, and on and on and on. The chance you would ever die after an eternity in this scenario would only ever be 2%, despite you dying on any given day always being a possibility.

>citation
People physically begin not to feel time pass. Think about how many memories you have from elementary school compared to some comparable amount of time working in the real world. You physically can't recall as much. Like all things, the less you have of something the more you appreciate it. This goes for life too. As you live, your each day becomes less and less memorable/valuable to you.

>time prioritization
Without death to limit your time, you'd spend millions of years fucking around and accomplish very little. It's like when one has a single assignment over the weekend so you wait until the last minute to do it and rush it, even though you could've easily started earlier and done it properly. Imagine that but with a time scale of literally trillions of years.

The first thing you'll ask yourself when you get immortality is, "Why not spend a million years fucking around before I start my work?" This may be great for you, but it's bad for society as a whole. The resources which could have made ten thousand productive humans go to a single lazy one.

>he thinks Jewish fairy tales are more likely to grant him eternal paradise than science and technology

Ask yourself why would it be any more meaningful simply by being permanent? You build, create, destroy, and rebuild forever? Why? Why bother?

Ask yourself what a "meaningful" life would look like. If you're like me, you'll find nothing could make a life meaningful.

True. However, it seems like you didn't read my last post at all.

Dude, you just invented a new field of maths. A probability density funtion must have a probability distribución funtion of 1 when x->infinitum. This is the definition, i didnt invent it.
If lambda (the chance of success, death in this case) is not cero, you will die. And lambda cannot be cero, the probability is a mesurement of the información you have

>People physically begin not to feel time pass. Think about how many memories you have from elementary school compared to some comparable amount of time working in the real world. You physically can't recall as much. Like all things, the less you have of something the more you appreciate it. This goes for life too. As you live, your each day becomes less and less memorable/valuable to you.
all these could be fixed through technology as it seems to me to be a brain problem
>Without death to limit your time, you'd spend millions of years fucking around and accomplish very little
You don't know that, again you seem to be projecting
>The first thing you'll ask yourself when you get immortality is, "Why not spend a million years fucking around before I start my work?
Not at all, the first thing I will think about is that I'm not too old to learn hard shit anymore, I have enough time to spend decades on learning mathematics, physics, latin and old greek as well as philosophy. Some people might enjoy gratification during their life rather than having a posterity too and even that, there are still people geniunely interested in what they are doing. If you gave Von Neumann a thousand more years to live I doubt he would suddenly fuck around

Someone's quoting HPMOR :')

Holy shit, they reach notmality while the rest of the world reachea higher level and leaving them behind?
Good logic there, ruskies.

>tradition written books hurrdurr
It's not THAT people. Real persons are dead, it's only a shitty image like photo of thoughts.
Totally agree. It's not your real opinion, it's ((real)) opinion of previous generations that taught themselfes to "deal with it, it's worth coping, we need to accept it". Because they had no other choice and that ideas let them live normally. But now we can fuck death up at once.
Science is 100 years old and can recreate 10-20% of nature.
Nature is 12 billions years old.

I'm sorry, but in comparison with a 1000-2000 years old subject all your thoughts and ideas are childish and you yourself is a fucking child. 5000 years ago 13-15 years old child could become a leader. Nowadays will you let a 14 years old fag to decide anything valuable?
A lot of psychiatrist think that people do beleive that they are immortal in there everydays live. And what makes you to "accept death" is that fact, that you don't beleive in your mortality deep in your mind. Because anyone who tried has expereinced a fucking animal fear of this shit. Our brain protects us from damage of this idea, but we mustn't ignore phenomen behind that idea. We don't have a spirit of death in our everyday life to motivate to work and learn. And this fear is mostly destructive because it often leads to depressions and less productivity of work.

Yes, but they will be on a level that you can accept and deal with.

You're almost quoting Eliezer Yudkowsky word for word, come on man.

>>tradition written books hurrdurr
Keked
>It's not THAT people. Real persons are dead, it's only a shitty image like photo of thoughts.
I know, but you never know the real person, even people you know, they present you their persona, their mask. Perhaps you could get closer to the real person in books, who knows?

And?I've read only HPMOR not far ago. but for me it was clear far before, I was thinking on this theme for last 4-5 years since I was 16-17 and firstly understood mortality. Truth is pretty simple and come to minds of many people.
Sure, but it's better to both read books and know IRL.

TRANSHUMANISM WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
YOU FILTHY GOYIM DON'T OWN NOTHING!!!

Mortality is a blessing. Some day you would want desperately to be able to get off this rock.

YOU WILL NEVER ESCAPE!!!
DO YOU HEAR ME
NEVER!!!!!!!

>Sure, but it's better to both read books and know IRL.
Well, i would prefer to read about jack the ripper than met him by accident in a dark alley, kek.
I know what you say, i really do. But take this approach, you can never know Napoleón but you can really know and have a meaninfull relationship with muy family and friends, the people who cares about me

Go drink mercury like your forbears in your quest did, you death fearing faggot.

That's like saying supertasks can't be done in a finite amount of time since each task requires a non-zero amount of time to complete, and any number * infinity = infinity.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertask

Without death, life is incomplete. Death is what gives life meaning. This was understood even as far back as the greeks: the gods don't have lives like mortals. The gods almost entirely live lives of pure repetition, they are forces, often ignorant of themselves. They live in stasis, an immutable pantheon altered only if ever by their own children.

Only the mortals are heroic. The epics are written about the mortals, not the gods. The gods are just the background. The death instinct is quite likely what makes consciousness possible in the first place. That unconscious knowledge that you will one day die is what force consciousness to materialize, to process ways to delay that occurrence.

Really. Can you imagine? Doesn’t sound like utopia to me. Sounds more like hell. Can you imagine spending a millennia waiting for habbenings that NEVER happen?

Hey, dont get mad with me. I didnt invent it. Think about it as a poisson process.
You take the bernulli aproach but changing the "p" as x->infinitum.
Your approach says this "if i have certainty i will not die, them i will live forever". Ok fair enough, but is trivial

> AI are safe!

OK really looking forward to the first time a literal god shorts a few bits and suddenly develops a taste for human flesh.

If you think Ed Geen was bad wait until you have robogeen.

>Death is what gives life meaning
No, it's more like humans had to adapt their life with the looming threat of death. It has defined our life because it has always existed but it does not mean at all that life would be suddenly meaningless as soon as Death disappear. Life would just then become different and adapt to the new way, which is no indication of it becoming meaningless.
>The death instinct is quite likely what makes consciousness possible in the first place
I'd like a source on that

shut the fuck up nazi scum!!!

Bump

as mortality ceases to be humanity's enemy, reproduction will begin to be humanity's enemy.

also, life cant exist without death.

one of god's jokes.

Immortality is an impossibility

Grow up faggot you're going to die and god will judge you.

Get ready for hell faggot

You're going to die one day, just like all of us, faggot. Deal with it.

>Not living in a post-human spooky skeleton thiefdom
>Why live

youtu.be/h4IjKb95gGg

If you accept something as impossible then you already lost.