How can we bring protestants and Catholics back to Christianity (orthodoxy)

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It seems more likely that all Christians are moving in the direction of becoming Catholic.
Roman Catholicism makes more sense, has a richer history, has a better community, and is more accessible. Catholicism is growing. It won't be long until the whole earth submits to Christs Church in Rome

>restore the eastern roman empire
>retake constantinople from the turk heathens
>send the legions into the rest of europe
>destroy the EU
>force-convert everyone to orthodoxy

>implying people are going to flock to a pope who chugs negroid toejam

The problems with Catholicism are three
>too much pagan no sense
>the current pope is a joke
>Catholics and protestants don't try to defend themselves unlike orthodoxs

You forgot retaking Jerusalem and the Levant back
Is this a Muslim negroid

muh shiny objects

>vain traditions

no thanks, orthos and catholics are the same stupid shit

Protestants are just lazy Catholics.

>How can we bring protestants and Catholics back to Christianity (orthodoxy)

pls dont.

no thanks. Vatican fck countries over, just look at SA and catastrophy of "social teaching".

prots seem far more into their religion than caths.

I would be interested in Orthodoxy if the Celtic Church was up and running

catholics are a satanic cult

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Fuck off ivan

not an argument. every faggot catholic I know demonstrates zero faith and thinks they're "doing religion" because they participate in non-Biblical traditions like lent

All three of those problems are rubbish

Both Orthodoxy and Catholicism have Marian devotion, mysticism, intercession of saints, real presence...
All the things Protestants say are "pagan" (even though historical sciences have proven that these things were practiced by the earliest Christians)

Saying that the Pope is a joke is not an argument. Just because you personally don't like him for whatever reason, it isn't an indictment against Catholicism.

And Catholcism defends itself as much as Orthodoxy does. It has remained steadfast.

Second line. Pure bulshit. Check Joh 20, 23

Afaik there are people in Bong who use the Sarum Rite and the Stowe Missal, so it IS kind of there.

The real debate in Western Orthodoxy is whether Westerners should use Russian or Greek or whatever liturgy, or attempt to adapt it from historical rites like the Sarum Rite, or even just use the Byzantine Rite. Until that's cleared up, nothing's going to move on that front.

THINK there's some crazy-seeming guy back in Ireland who has a Celtic Orthodox church or something

>Catholicism is growing
niggers in africa and mestizos in latin america are growing*

It's because you don't recognize works.

deus vult

>orthodoxwiki.org/Stowe_Missal

>. The Stowe Missal is believed to have been in use and added to at the monastery of Lorrha in Ireland from c. 1050 AD onward, and was compiled at Tallaght in Dublin, Ireland, by Culdees associated with Saint Maelruain and Saint Aengus the Culdee.

Hadn't heard this before.

The Culdees were originally Druids who converted to Christianity, they were some interesting guys.

The solution is to educate them about church history. Protestant beliefs seem to be based on vague, hand-wavey historical theories, like 'Constantine established the Catholic Church'. If you can persuade them that the early Christian Church corresponded to crucial features of Orthodoxy or Traditional Catholicism, then it's just a matter of time until they come around.

>implying orthodoxy did that and not communism
Cmon Luka, I know you hate both but this time you're blaming the wrong one

The Church of Antioch has established Western Orthodox rite churches which adhere to the Common Book of Prayer, which I think is a mistake because the CBP has a very penitential/Calvinist vibe.

>implying orthodoxy did that and not communism

Ive seen this argument so many times before Bruce its not even banter. Russia was a shithole way before gommunizam.

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Ze God is dead, you worship notzing.

21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
He's sending them out to proselytize so they can help others' sins be forgiven by Jesus. They can declare that God can forgive these people but they themselves cannot forgive sins.

There is no god. We didn't kill him. There never was god.

How can you be a schismatic faggot

Ok fair enough, now we're talking about Russians and not all Orthodox.
Russia is shit because it's filled with Russians, who's elite fucked over the majority for centuries, and instead of gradually allowing for a shift in power, they got a full blown Communist revolution, keeping them fucked.

Tbf, until recently prods (and disillusioned anglicans especially) were probably their main source of converts, so it made sense.

It's only since Summum Pontificorum that we've seen a real resurgence of Trad Catholicism, which seems to lead more people towards Orthodoxy when they get sick of the church.

Speaking of:
>lifesitenews.com/news/vatican-rumblings-pope-francis-aiming-to-end-latin-mass-permission
>(((theirgoy))) reportedly thinking about removing permission for Tridentine Mass

Doubt he'd seriously do it, as it would split the church (with the dedicated core splitting themselves away from the lukewarm and third-world Vatican-run church), but it doesn't make me like the guy any more than I did.
I agree with that user, though. If some of the older Celtic Church material was reintroduced it would draw in a new, younger and more dedicated following.

Using Saltair Na Rann or something for meditation would be great

The thing about Catholicism is that papal supremacy is a complete joke. It's just a terrible exegesis of Matthew 16:18 and it is so obvious that it has been a total disaster in practice.

Judge the tree by its fruit: how successful has the papacy been in preserving the liturgy and doctrines of Christianity without adulteration or compromise? It clearly has failed in this regard which you can surmise from any SSPX or Sedevacantist analysis of the church since Vatican II.

>now we're talking about Russians and not all Orthodox.

dude, there isnt a single orthodox country that is admirable.

its goes this way by tiers of civ accomplishments:

prots>cath>orth

Orthodoxy is shit.
>suffering is good LAWL

How can you proud of your country's treatment of your Orthodox Serbian neighbours? These are your Christian brothers and you slaughtered them under the Ustase.

That's not to say I'm not sympathetic to clerical fascism, like the Iron Guard. But you Catholics are so willing to use violence to assert your power and control.

'8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.'

Yeah the very thing that united Europe while the Byzantines and Russians got fucked by Muslims and mongols. The only reason orthodoxy existed is by the mercy of the pope, One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

>How can you proud of your country's treatment of your Orthodox Serbian neighbours? These are your Christian brothers and you slaughtered them under the Ustase.

what makes you think I am? Never in my life have I sympathized with Ustase or NDH. Im not even kidding about that, Croatia in WW2 was a huge mistake.

>Catholicism
HA

No one in this thread is actually Christian. Calling yourself one doesn't make you one. Catholic v Protestant v orthodox flame wars aren't what Jesus wanted. He'd go into all three churches and start flipping tables. You all flaunt your piety and hate on a daily basis. Modernist cancer piled upon tumours piled upon the slaughtered corpse of the only utopian ideal that would actually work. Repent

>too much pagan no sense
What are you on about?

Not anymore than Ortho-bros. Even still the holidays and other dumb shit from paganism is fine as long as the superstition is smashed, which it has been.

>the current pope is a joke

He's being pastoral, I get it, and many see him as pretty damn close to heresy.

>Catholics and protestants don't try to defend themselves unlike orthodoxs

Cradle-Catholics don't defend themselves. Mainline Protestants don't defend themselves. In my experience this just isn't true.

Deus Vult.

>idol worship
>christian

frigg off, checkov

A lot of people dot understand that Catholicism pushes the liberal agenda.

Pick up the one true book fellas

Get rekt mudslim lover

Don't blame the Latins. The soviets infected them with liberation theology.

So based

>a catholcuck shitskin lover supports mudslim invaders

No suprise here.You are the reason Byzantium and the Greeks fall.

>A lot of people dot understand that Catholicism pushes the liberal agenda.

but I do. Its left wing authoritarian ideology.

The hubris of the Emperors on Byzantium caused their own downfall. That and the eternal serene merchant

>The superstition is smashed
>Lo the bread is now the body of god
lmao

oh you still mad


youtube.com/watch?v=ocW3fBqPQkU

Look up Estado Novo regime under Antonio Salazar in Portugal. If you want to know he modern political structure of Catholicism that is what it would look like.

You got what you deserved, what do you want us to launch another crusade now? Maybe sack Constantinople? Oh wait, you couldn't defend your own capital that's right well we kept those kebabs at bay and drove them into the sea by the help of the Vicar of Christ. Please go jack off to your "Russian" waifu ok?

Like national socialism?

>You got what you deserved

Yes you did.Payback is a bitch i guess

Convince the catholics that these priests are married and will never, ever catholick their children.
And convince the protestants that martin luther's reformation is just catholicism but read in their own languages instead of latin.

Fuck Christianity and other Abrahamic religions.

They are lies, they are false.

>That's not to say I'm not sympathetic to clerical fascism, like the Iron Guard.

Im a fascist only for the memes. I dont think fascims is optimal.

>Like national socialism?

but without "national". more like "empire socialism"

RARE. r u white?

faggot

Why do you worship a failure of a Tsar?

Why not worship one that accomplished things other than getting raped by the Japanese and Germans?

Plato's concept of the forms is the explanation of that. Is matter of a triangle as real as the theory of a triangle?

For example most triangles attempted to be made manifest in the world are not perfect. Their angles may be off. The lines may not truly intersect if drawn. However the truth that a triangle consists of three lines and the angles all add up to 180 degrees as well as the length of the sides abiding by the Pythagorean Theorem always holds true and is realer than any material triangle.

This essentially presents the view that the matter of the Eucharist is not as relevant as the form or concept of the Eucharist. Layer on top of that the 4 causes of Aristotle and you have a firmer grasp on why the Eucharist is not some superstition but is textually and philosophically reasonable and possible.

You're choosing your religion based on which one fits your political beliefs and your pride in European culture. This is not a rational approach. You should be driven by what you think is the correct theology.

>It won't be long until the whole earth submits to Christs Church in Rome

Well aren't you an ominous motherfucker.

Mixed race, but leans towards the side of the europeans.
Father is from the uk.
Mother is light skin african black.
Her grandfather was white.

that's some big talk coming from small, geographically isolated church that's 3/4 Russian

Indeed

Because he was a Freemason and a Satanist who murdered thousands of his own people to signal to European aristocrats and then put the destiny of the Russian people in the hands of a literal German whore, Catherine.

What the fuck are you talking about?
I'd say relative to the number of Orthodox countries tries they've done well
Russians had an empire from Warsaw to Alaska
Bulgarians have an amazing rich history
Greeks I don't have to tell you about, Byzantine was the richest place in the world


Quit fucking judging trough the lens of amount of shekels you kike bottom
Protestant countries are richer, yes but fell to the biggest degeneracy the world have ever seen
Women fucking nigger, boys chemically castrated at a young age, feminism, women ""clergy", total Islamistation, outbreeding

Meanwhile the Orthodox are blessing AKs with holy water and still retain their Christian warrior spirit
The Patriarch of Bulgaria is calling to fight against migratnts, the Patriarch of Russia issaying multiculturalism can't work.
Russian Orthodox men are Removing kebab in Syria while Germans and swedes literally are offering their daughters as calendar tribute
All the while the Pope is missing niggers feet and proddies are holding sermons in Arabic
JUST

Indeed my love for my people came when I choose to love my faith in Christ and his most Holy Catholic Church.

>Orthodox

You don't.

Protestantism is basically Judaism at this point without any of the nepotistic benefits, and is basically for brainwashed Evangelicucks and atheist libshits trying to be Life Insurance Policy Christians by taking up Pascal's Wager. They believe in salvation through soymilk and recycling, and that Muslim immigration is fantastic even if they kill you and rape your children. It's all going to crash within 20-30 years.

Catholicism is doomed because it's fully infiltrated with Jews and discussing any negative aspect of the Jews (such as, you know, killing Christ, being the primary driving force behind the Moorish and Arab invasions of Christian lands, and enslaving Christian women and children for centuries) was outlawed by Vatican II. It, too, is going to collapse, as the Jews push Europe to become a mixed-blood low-IQ Islamic hellhole.

That pretty much leaves Copts, who will be genocided the second the West collapses, Asian-meme tier versions of Christianity, and Orthodoxy, which the Jews nearly extinguished via communism.

Patriarch of Russia is ex KGB who got rich off importing cigs and liquor to Russia tax free.

Steven Anderson was there recently?
How is life there? any racial tensions?Ive heard Botswana is doing good.

>non-Biblical traditions like lent
40 days in the desert
Not living like Christ
t.retard

Every time I see this picture, it shocks me to see how many pregnancies end in abortion in Europe, especially Eastern Europe.

I'm a reformed Catholic, but used to be a degenerate. I've fornicated many times and used condoms or put the chick on the pill each time. But I think contraception is a much lesser sin than murdering a baby.

How could these retards be such fuck-ups that they can't even use birth control to prevent themselves from murder?

Disgusting. This is the REAL holocaust.

Peaceful and more stable than in south africa. There are no racial tensions at all.
The only problem is that there are very few jobs.

Word, brother

Thanks for the flag, Botsnegro.

The triangle example is a bit shaky as you may translate a triangular scrabble always as a representation of the triangle, while bread and whine standing for the blood and flesh of christ while being common and thus suitable ritual ingrediments could be replaced by all other kinds of spongy or fluid matters such as water and fruit. You might argue it was gods/jesus plan to choose those as whine was most easily relatable to the imperial roman citizen as a sacred fluid.
What you present here seems more like the protestant opinion though, as the matter of the eucharist is literally god once it has become the eucharist through the rite of the priest.
The four causes of aristotle are basically:
Matter: bread and whine-again it could be anything else as explained before with the cultural excuse as a suitable apology maybe.
The Form being the infusion asked for by the priest, the Agent god himself and the purpose his union with the faithful he wants to safe from this life of trial.
Now, what I was jabbing at wasnt even the exact justification for the eucharist but the quickness in which you discard other rites as superstitious and unreal.
As a secularist utterly detached from christianity it is hard to understand how you may explain the eucharist as reasonable but recoil when a hindu might use the exact same reasoning to explain his idolatry, which is not so different to the "superstitions" you associated with prechristian holydays.
Ones angels are another ones demons and the only ways to affirm which is which have been conversion by the sword (I am right as your worldview does not protect you against my physical superiority) so far or peer pressure by taking the highground of ones groups civilisational achievments.

This

every church i check out is full of niggers and i refuse to sit with those coons what do?

Oh. Forgot to mention. Aids is still a problem, but is under control.

You are welcome, ameristizo

if we see the church by its works, we can see that most of the original patriarchies of orthodoxy are under muslim control... so... why would we "return" to the church that is cucked by Islam?

Godspeed comrades, ave Maria

With your good works. I give to the iocc because they're so low key and based but visibly being christian

(((orthodox))) is just another sect of (((protestants)))

none of them are the church. just larpers.

when are they going to come back to rome, is the question...

lol you're an idiot

take off my flag, kike

>Aids is still a problem, but is under control.

Yes, Ive heard about that, what is it like 20% infected? Youll deal with it whatever. Botswana seems qt, glad to see some of you nogz are doing it good. Godspeed!

>(((orthodox))) is just another sect of (((protestants)))

this makes 0 sense.

fpbp this

catholic church is the only church

everything else is just fake shit

All you had to do was ask
American Orthodox church here we GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Thanks.

Not yet, but if I live in California any longer it's only a matter of time before my family line gets brown'd.

is that some (((prot))) jew meme where they twist the bible for themselves and make up their own bibles for themselves?

I'm staying in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. But if you give me a wife who can bear children I'd happily convert publicly, although I'll keep believing the teachings of the Book of Concord secretly.

orthodox aren't the one true church

therefore they are a bunch of whiney protestants

pretty straightforward you fucking moron

Most people here are actually atheists/agnostics that simply like the religion imagery. Same with the "pagans", they're all shitskin this, kike that. How many do you think actually believe in Thor?

We need to get on common ground in terms of our beliefs. I'm not talking about slight interpretation differences between denominations, I'm talking about how the Pope has been welcoming everything anti-christian into the church. Get rid of that fake pope and replace him with a strong conservative pope with a tender heart towards other denominations of Christianity, yet will stand strong against everything else.