The Great Debate

What is the best governing system on the Y axis?

Authoritarian or Libertarian?

Why?

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>libertarian
authoritarian only ends with destitution.

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A libertarian state needs to be authoritarian to protect people's rights. Most libertarian states, left and right, have used force on civilians.

>Anarchist Catalonia
>Anarchist Ukraine
>Chile

et cetera. Why not cut out the middle man and establish a well-disciplined, competent, authority instead of losers in Krispy Kreme hats shooting someone because they talked shit about someone in the Worker's Council?

libertarian

if you are not libertarian, you are not white.

We are in the era where people begin to live forever. History may truly end, in cataclysm or eternity, and there are those who say the two are one. Think hard about what tools of rule you hand away to others, for if death does yet permit your escape, it won't be in the manner of your choosing.

center.
your economic intervention must be matched by your social intrusion, else instability and collapse will follow.

This is why countries devolve into rightwing libertarianism or leftwing authoritarianism- that is, ancap memes or commie memes.
The authoritarian right is a pipe dream, and is almost a contradiction of terms.
Likewise, a libertarian left doesn't exist because at least one person is a greedy cunt.

The less densely populated and the more sophisticated a people, the less government is needed.

In modern times, with cities of ~1kk+ citizens, heterogenous societies and extreme political positions, libertarianism is barely possible.

Authoritarian in dealing with degeneracy that detriments society and serious crimes, and libertarian in everything else

Authoritarian.
People won't work to a common goal without some sort of strong leadership. To get a country united there has to be a center of power

Authoritarian.

Freeing up unethical or degenerate elements of society to influence and damage other people is unacceptable.

Anarchism is a meme and libertarianism is self-contradictory. There's a reason why every libertarian society in history has been a failure or has been successful because of the productive and intelligent elements of that society, who proceed to build up more authoritarian structures over time.

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>>Anarchist Catalonia
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...just like every authoritarian or fascist state inevitably falls as people become disillusioned and disenfranchised by their abusive governments.

>as people become disillusioned and disenfranchised by their abusive governments.

>express.co.uk/news/world/701026/russians-life-better-soviet-union-ussr-sixty-four-percent

People get conned by "democracy and freedom" all the time, then when they actually have to live in the world they created, they change their minds. Most people are fucking idiots who are easily influenced. They actually prefer living in Marxist-dominated countries over whatever free market shitshow they live in now. THat's how you know how bad the current situation is. Ordinary people prefer Marxism over freedom.

But let's just look at the statistics for Spain in (pic related).

People sure are doing well with all that freedom.

>kill yourself

Most Authoritarian countries have to be invaded and destroyed by force, too. Oy Vey, we can't have these prospering countries any more.

Good point. A libertarian government is most feasible when your society meets two conditions:
1. Culturally homogeneous
2. High IQ

They're really not good at the independence and liberty thing.

>A libertarian government is most feasible when your society meets two conditions:
>1. Culturally homogeneous
>2. High IQ

Congratulations, all forms of government, even (((democracy))) fit in with that.

Oh, not to mention the army officer most directly responsible for overthrowing the Portuguese Estado Novo clearly stated "If I had've know what was to follow, I never would've have done it"*(referring to his coup).

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The true red pill is that it must alternate

Libertarian
>everyone is treated equal
>The superior/better people naturally rise to the top
>the shit people sink to the bottom
Then it's a question of left or right
>Left tries to fix them, right tries to get rid of them
you fag, colombia

Soft libertarian. A state weak enough to not trample on the individual but strong enough to block mob mentality.

Libertarian stops idiots from damaging things too much, Authoritarian allows good leaders to get shit done. Neither are perfect.

Government should be South on that axis, culture should be North. Social mores are good. No gays.

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It should be a diamond. True libertarianism/anarchism comes together with the rest of the anarcho-s and whoever's theory on what anarchy will result in will be tested.

An NS authoritarian government will create a new era of peace, honor, strength, justice and friendship

A libertarian government will be one of moral decadence, degeneracy and jewish economic control.

Any state existing can be described as authoritarian in some way or another, as they all eventually encroach upon some liberty because of some emergency or 'necessity'.

It seems that whenever social mores are discared and people no longer enforce morality, the state should be more north.