Is universal basic income actually pretty .... based?
> no more welfare at all
> no more food stamps
> no more fraud with any those things
> no more money wasted on huge state offices managing nignogs welfare checks
> central registry of every person
> dead or otherwise disqualified persons get deleted immediately
> bonus: state gets leverage on people, so easier to stay in power
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UBI guarantees the bots will destroy us. They'll literally have their own roboMarx arguing they should own absolutely everything without paying for it.
nah, it won't change anything other than we get rid of welfare
> everyone has 1000 bucks more each month
> average cost per living increases by 1000 bucks per month
> eventually it all gets eaten as inflation
You are naive if you think they'll keep us around when our labour is no longer required.
based? nah. inevitable. youbetcha. when it happens buy all the gold you can with it.
AND YOUR CHICKS FOR FREE
>welfare for everyone no matter what economic situation
>no welfare at all
The central bank in the USA, Japan, and Europe will own everything within 20 years if trends continue.
>ubi
>rid of welfare
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In theory it's something that people like Rothbard could get behind, but in practice there is a 100% chance that UBI would in addition to the massive welfare bureaucracy instead of as an alternative to it.
UBI either is welfare, or it isn't, in which case people will get UBI plus welfare.
Fuck off, retard.
Right now our welfare system consists of 100s of different programs, all very inefficient, and cost many billions in overhead just to run the programs themselves.
You can get rid of the entire existing welfare structure, social security system (except those grandfathered in), and replace it all with UBI.
That's wrong.
rake plzzs, fall is here
Friedman thought the Negative Income Tax (basically a form of basic income) was preferable to our current system.
to an extent this will happen. Every month you will check you check and say "Fuck, there are people who actually need to live off as little as this?"
Why the hell would doubling down on le free stuff be any better then welfare ever was?
what if i want more than they give me?
BASED = buries a spic every day
Just a way to redistribute wealth from working whites to dropouts and niggers.
The problem with our society is that it redistributes wealth from the competent to the incompetent. At a racetrack, do you bet on the fittest horse or the weakest and sickest? Well our shitty society bets on the weakest every time, an inherently dysgenic idea. And surprise! We're a dying culture! Its too expensive for people to have kids so the birth rate is 1.6 children per woman. Meanwhile we transport boatloads of cavemen from the third world to make up for it.
>Right now our welfare system consists of 100s of different programs
Then get rid of them instead of shitposting on Sup Forums how there should be more welfare systems that are even worse than what you have right now.
I will say "Fuck, remember how much worse things are when I made $0 a month?". Because right now I'm a NEET that makes $0 a month.
Inflation is good for people in debt.
Inflation is neutral for those that would be living on UBI/wages.
Inflation is bad for the rich money hoarders.
It wouldn't cause hyper-inflation anyway.
You won't convince anyone with that name, just fyi. Also that's the reason we should support UBI as the worse alternative because it has a higher chance of succeeding, as it's supported by socialists
I'm saying there should be ONE system to replace all those different programs.
Because everyone gets the same amount of money. That's effectively raising the zero level.
A little bit of "welfare" would be still paid, but the actual amount will be pretty low, so in overall it will not get totally rid of spending on welfare, but reduce it drastically.
>UBI
>not NIT
I am saying you are fucking retarded.
Stop trying to fuck over hundreds of millions of people. When you get a retarded idea like this buy a ticket to some small country, become a leader of it and take your shitty experiment there.
Faggots like you are the worst. People like you are why the USSR existed. You idiots take insane ideas that no sane person agrees with and you want to test those ideas on a large country.
To anyone with a brain what you are essentially suggesting is destroying your country and possibly causing millions of deaths because of some stupid idea you came up with while browsing Sup Forums in your basement.
>Inflation is good for people in debt.
This brings up another point:
>Be nigger
>Ayoo im poor gibs me UBI
>gets UBI
>dam mang dis aint enuff
>gets credit card
>racks up debt
>UBI effectivelu just welfare for the credit card company now
It redistributes nothing, that's the point. It will eventually just raise the inflation a bit. It gets rid of leeching completely, it will effectively only pay for the really desperate. It's heaven's gift that the socialists advertise it as well
>Because everyone gets the same amount of money. That's effectively raising the zero level.
This is not true. Inflation would not happen at a drastic uncontrollable rate.
UBI payments would increase to match inflation.
You dont work, you deserve NOTHING. You are a lazy bum. The only exceptions is people that are truly disabled and cant work.
Why not just learn to play the guitar on the MTV?
You can get your chicks for free too, maybe get a blister on your little finger, a little blister on your thumb
There is countless amounts of people who want to work, but can't get a job.
What happens when there's not enough jobs for the amount of people who need them? (Already true, employers have insane standards for minimum wage workers now)
Or can only get a job that doesn't pay a living wage.
There's already over 100 million people who are completely fucked in my country, because of wealth and income inequality.
The top 1% of people in this country own more wealth than the bottom 90% combined.
it wouldn't work because niggers would blow it all in one day and we would still end up having to feed their niglets
Oh look, another salty /leftypol/ faggot willing to murder millions just because his college professors told him to hate ''DA 1 PERCENT!!!''
Kill yourself, you leftist piece of shit.
Yes, but effectively still. The markets will react and adjust to the offset quickly. In particular, I'm pretty sure it will not change the effective buying power of the state and as such not be any debt
Or
>Industries become automated
>Professions become automated
>5% of people own industry
>They buy off both parties
Our vote means nothing
>Govt votes to reduce UBI
That's why UBI. There is no justification for any other welfare at all anymore, once UBI has been enacted. If that nigger blew it all then his niglets are to be saved by their loving neighbors from starving. If you see where I am hinting at.
>Welfare for everyone
>No welfare at all
Nice logic, I guess if everyone receives welfare it won't be considered "welfare" anymore is that it?
You don't know anything about me.
Did you know that the nazis were national SOCIALISTS?
You can be a white supremacist, want closed borders, and UBI at the same time.
Why would they increase? What if they are frozen for five years?
...
Sure, I can't wait to spend my basic income on drugs
Just like every niggers everywhere
That should be a great investment
> central registry of every person
> bonus: state gets leverage on people, so easier to stay in power
implying these are good things
> dead or otherwise disqualified persons get deleted immediately
>otherwise disqualified persons get deleted immediately
thats some 1984 shit if i ever heard it
You can want UBI and fuck yourself at the same time, you retarded /leftypol/ reject.
Why did you move here from /leftypol/? Because /leftypol/ doesn't believe in race and borders? Fuck off back there and try to redpill them on race instead of shitting up Sup Forums with your economic illiteracy and welfare dreams.
It wouldn't be like that at all. Imagine corporations taking their cut along the way. It wouldn't be a closed system at all. It would be constantly concentrating wealth up while deluging the base level.
pretty much yes, as retarded as it might sound. It has to be obviously be paid by the paying part of the society, so basically it shuffles around a little the money among the people but only very little. The rest ending up as "welfare" for the people not working at all is little and can't be subject to any fraud
What is your point?
If someone spends all their UBI on drugs then fuck them, everyone knows they don't have an excuse, they're not entitled to more gibs.
You don't understand economics you mouth-breathing retard
That's my point. We can achieve law and order if we enact UBI.
Also, the leverage is mostly a leverage on poor people who actually depend on it. Everyone who can tries to be at least as possible dependent on the state.
.....you are advocating free money and i don't understand economics?you bernie bots are something else
you know what the problem with your graph is?
they keep using percentages, but always fail to put actual income numbers in there to really tell you where you rank in the percentages
This is why I love the idea of UBI and also why it'll never happen in the US.
$10k/yr per person would be a very small price to pay for getting rid of minimum wage, food stamps, child subsidies, fuckin ObamaPhones, ... but it'll never happen.
>get rid of welfare
>give out UBI
>literally the same amount
>rent goes up on formerly "free," housing and food prices also rise
>wtf i'm homeless and broke again
>more UBI!
Repeat ad infinitum. The underclass is already too large to be sustained. There is no solution with gibs unless you take away their right to vote and sterilizer them.
What these people are advocating, or at least what they think they are advocating, is bleeding rich people dry to buy houses and cars for everyone regardless of whether or not they deserve them. They're not talking about giving people free money. They are talking about ''taking down da 1%.''
If you read trough the thread these /leftypol/ rejects aren't even advocating this for any sort of good purpose. The one single argument for UBI they have given so far is that it hurts ''the 1%.''
>Have a think over this post
>Go check out how I am as a percentile
>87k puts me at 11th percentile in the country
Neat. The 1% is apparently 300k or more aka anyone with a useful degree in an urban area
Yes, you get it. Mostly. Because this is a good thing, as the level it distributes up is not as far as you might think. So effectively we just streamline the whole welfare into a very efficient fully automatic (and thus cruel and honest) system that everyone welcomed with open arms
at the same time it could work, it isnt good at all ubi is how the muslims are treating europe they get free shekels and spend the shekels back, i say it many times its a rat on the wheel and if it stops entire continent is fucked. When we are in this kind of debt ubi isnt a good idea we arent selling enough shit and we have many problems, and this would also cause inflation and make things more expensive so people wouldnt buy them, but how ever this could make people want to work more because they have a 1000 head start every month for what ever cause they want and then they have to work for there other half of rent. This could actually work if the big boys do the math not fucking it up like kikes. As long as china doesnt kill the dollar yet we should be fine.
It's the next step in turning the country into a giant Indian reservation.
Now tell me how much worse the situation under UBI would be compared to what we have now. Also, the "more UBI" scream can be delayed and there will be no intermediate institution so hand out anything in between. This might solve some smaller problems at least
The underclass can never be sustained. Any money that is put into ''helping'' the underclass only makes the underclass bigger which means more money needs to be put into ''helping'' them. It's literally just like sending money and food to Africa. UBI would be like making a universal food amount for Africa, everyone in Africa gets 2000 calories a day. Surely that will help!
>write "Nazi" stuff on the net
>no payment for you bad Goy
Yeah, no. We just need to reduce taxes.
Yeah. So imagine how the economy will offset for that amount because everyone does not want to depend on that money. So it becomes worth less. So everyone who can get more will try to get more
>It redistributes nothing, that's the point
The government clllects your money with taxes and gives it out as UBI. Ergo it is redistribution of wealth.
Good way to crash this economy with no survivors.
> what are medicaid, section 8, coal burner subsidies, and food stamps
Anyone who doesn't like UBI this is either an absolutist libretardian or doesn't understand how inverted the market already is.
Protip: If you hand out the money equally across all income brackets, less of it goes to subsidize purchases in basic necessities.
welfare institutions will fight tooth and nail to keep universal income away
they want to keep operating at 90% overhead ratio and employ tens of thousands of lefty bureaucrats
Yes. But in a very simple, transparent way. And it will be effectively very little worth. Most people who don't depend on it will vote against a raise as they would likely need to pay for that in more taxes
That's why we need any support we can get, even if it's from the commie who is too ignorant to see the actual value (surprise)
UBI is the only sensible answer to a worn out question.
The argument that it would just make everything more expensive is a child's argument.
Universal basic income IS welfare, you dipshit.
dipshit, exactly that's my point. But there's a single unit responsible for that. And everyone know they have to pay for it by taxes, directly. So guess who the rate will develop over the next elections
>The argument that it would just make everything more expensive is a child's argument.
I agree It's a child argument, because all that is required to understand why UBI will lead to collapse is the extremely basic economic knowledge of supply and demand.
It would probably be a good thing, therefore it must never happen
You know good and well they would add UBI to all existing welfare.
anyone working is already directly paying for a single welfare receiver. we just shuffle it a bit around to reduce it slowly
it will have little effect on larger economics.
UBI is for failures, mountain Jew.
that... that would be.. retarded. Is anyone actually that retarded? That won't happen as you can't name a single argument why not rather increase the UBI (which everyone will vote against)
If the goal of stimulus id to get money circulating in the economy, you can do no better than to give it to people who will spend it right away. When the economy was flaoundering after the 2008 crash, the central banks pronted money and gave it to their criminal friends, who got to use it when it was worth the most, and whi shored up their losses from gambling with everyone else's money and holding the economy hostage. This is exactly backeards and incentivized corruption, rewarded criminal behaviour, and exacerbated wealth inequality (which was probably by design). It was welfare for the wealthy. And what happed to the money? It got quickly soaked up into their funds. It didn't circulate.
So, in regards to a UBI for the poor, in my eyes it is far, far preferable to bailing out insiders already on the take: both morally, and practically.
With the rise of AI it's the only reasonable choice for democracies
Mark Zuckerjew supports it so you know it's bad for hWhite people
>Mark Zuckerberg Calls for Universal Basic Income in His Harvard Commencement Speech
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> Assume you are a paying part of the society so you pay more than minimum standards of living in taxes
> Let say they are $1000 and you pay a bit more
> Assume with UBI everyone gets $1000 bucks
> You have to pay for that
> Oh you actually do already
> Taxes change for you and everyone else from that tax bracket one
> Taxes go up by that amount of money (or you are no longer in the paying part of society)
Zuckerberg is also in favor of laws against open defeca-... Had me going for a second there, Raj.
>yes niggers and other leeches come all into this country
>also fuck my economy up
Fuck off.
They already come now and get money. They won't get much more than that but centralized and easily controllable. More coming makes everyone directly aware how much those people have an effect on budget and directly on their taxes. You will be surprised how many people will switch sides and vote against immigration
>no more fraud
What the living fuck are you on about?
No more welfare/disability fraud.
Everyone gets UBI no matter their financial status.
>no more welfare, at all
>universal basic income
kek
sure its great if you hate evolution and progress
can't argue with one who still wonders who would build the roads
UBI can never work because it can never be both small enough for the state to afford paying it AND large enough to actually be meaningful in purchasing power. How is the government going to pay for it?
can I ask you how it would "kill" people as you say?
Where the fuck do you think that money comes from? If it was in the US:
>$12,000/yr to every citizen as UBI
>320,000,000 citizens
>$3.84 TRILLION to cover annual UBI
>150,400,000 taxpayers
>UBI avg tax burden per taxpayer: $25,531.91
And that ONLY covers UBI. It doesn't cover the cost of running the government.
- Not all of those citizens are over 18, they wouldn't receive UBI
- We currently spend 1 trillion on welfare annually
- Tax the super-rich more (not people with 6-figure salaries, people with thousands of millions of dollars, who make millions of dollars a day on average from the stock market)
- Print more money (in a controlled manner, no hyper-inflation).
Also defund the military, we spend 600 Bil on them.
>universal basic income
now that ain't working
>removal of all government aid except for the most disabled of people
THAT'S THE WAY YOU DO IT
a. It would only need to cover citizens over 18 (~$3 trillion)
b. The burden wouldn't only be covered by income tax. It should mostly be covered by corporate taxes, and slashing our ridiculous defense budget
c. If automation takes over the way people are predicting, you will literally need UBI, or you will have a violent uprising when unemployment hit 25%
Show me your math. If you don't, you're just a brainlet who is easily controlled via emotion and peer pressure.
You won't because you can't demonstrate a scenario that would actually work.
>> no more fraud with any those things
hahaha lol
You'll be okay. (((They))) will just infect the woobies with a nootropic virus.