I didn't notice how much Fate/stay night panders to otaku before...

I didn't notice how much Fate/stay night panders to otaku before. It's so obvious now I don't know how I missed it back then.

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How the fuck could you have missed it?

What anime doesn't pander to otaku?

How did you miss it? You joking right?

IT'S LIKE IT WAS SOME SORT OF VISUAL NOVEL FOR OTAKU????

This is why Fate/Zero is and will always be infinitely better

(You), now you have two (2) "You"s, fuck off.

Goddamn OP that's the dumbest thing I've read since the beginning of the internet.

Zero provided the perfect story to give Stay Night a richer story and literal value while Stay Night is a Gal Game, Zero shows you a philosophical journey that you can pick up into Stay Night or giving you nostalgia if you started Stay Night first.

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Go read the VN you fucking retard

>I didn't notice how much Fate/stay night panders to otaku before.

You must be pretty fucking stupid.

>Zero
>Not Urobuchi pandering to edgy teenagers

Heaven's Feel in a nutshell.

The average unironic Berserk or AgK fan is still better than bodypillow fags

>Fate/Shit Night
>not edgy by definition

I DO NOT need this DOLL ANYMORE

Its a series where the MCs cum recharges girls mana, you fucking idiot, how could you not notice it

>Fate/Stay shit

How much more sexual was this scene in the VN?

>people still defend this series

Pretty much the same but caster said she was going to turn her into a sexslave. I think she was groping her a bit before Emiya and Tohsaka showed up.

I'd shove so much down your throat you'd look pregnant.

It was originally an eroge, what the fuck did you expect....
For the most part I thought they handled it pretty well. It's still an incredibly good anime.
Fate Zero is still the best though.

C'mon, now.

D-do you have autism?

It's a fucking eroge that changed King Arthur's gender into a fucking a little girl to pander otakus. What else did you expect? Fate is always been like that.

only in small amounts believe me, the days of the nineties ultraviolent manime ended for good reason and if we weren't stuck in the light novel moe ghetto we'd soon find that the murder porn gets old just as fast

FSN isn't ALL EDGE ALL THE TIME like Zero is. It uses edge as one storytelling tool out of many instead of just wallowing in it.

>prequel primarily focuses on elements featured in hf
>surprised that it's ALL EDGE ALL THE TIME

Why is her dress pulled up?

Caster was molesting her until she gave in and became her servant

pretty sure Nasu originally had a regular story where the genders of saber and shiro reversed, but of course, was told to change that and add H-scenes last minute to pander to weeb faggots

Fate/Prototype

youtube.com/watch?v=gaeA_xjMR_w

The original Fate concept with male Arthur and a female heroine reads like a fucking otome game. It may not have been objectively worse, but it sure as hell wouldn't have appealed to anyone here on Sup Forums.

MANime.

>It's still an incredibly good anime.
UBW is dogshit

A lot of fans hated the 2nd season.

T.secondary

I know Nasu was forced to do that, I feel sorry for him that he didn't managed to do what he originally intended.

Also Arthur best saber.

>I feel sorry for him that he didn't managed to do what he originally intended.
Don't.

Fate wouldn't have been as popular if he went with Old Fate. He wouldn't have had the freedom to do the shit he actually enjoys with the setting now.

>Forced
Come on now guys. The genderswap happened naturally during the game's development.

space dandy

tsukikan.com/history.html

They get exactly what they was asking before the anime start (a lot of dialogue, extended Ilya flashbacks, big Shirou-Archer symbolism and not just fight, UBW spamming swords everywere showing why UBW can fight off GoB, resolution of Saber even without the Fate route, flashback on Caster Master, 3 episodes of Shirou-Archer fight)... and they hated it.
What does this means? that fans never understand what they really want.

I blame the market for that...

According to Nasu himself, "Even though sometimes he [Takeuchi] says impossible things, at the time the concept seemed simply ridiculous. Turning Saber into a girl, that'd completely destroy Fate! At first I was very against the idea, but after a while, I thought some of the difficulties that might arise could be resolved." And so work on Fate/stay night began.

Fate was not initially written as a game script, so the story had to be edited to add more game routes and plot, new setting changes, and so forth. Around a year after development began, the group began to realize that the capacity and scope of a doujin group severely limited what they could do with Fate. One of the most important factors was money. They had received help from other professionals during the making of Tsukihime, but that support was solely based on the pride of a game maker, and the group didn't want to always rely on others.

Faced with a difficult choice, TYPE-MOON decided to enter the commercial market in order to produce Fate commercially. Luckily, while TYPE-MOON's works are 18+ games, they aren't on the extreme end, so TYPE-MOON fared fairly well as a commercial company. Of course, the new company had to watch out for details, like not setting their games in high schools. Under Japanese law, 18+ games can't involve characters under the age of 18, so characters in the games are always students of "so-and-so University," not "so-and-so High School."

TYPE-MOON also considered the possibility of leaving the 18+ genre and heading straight to the console market, but the company saw the console market as too limiting, and continued making adult games.

So tell me where it says, in this site I've already read, that Nasu was forced to swap genders?

Nasu genderswapped Arthur for waifubating and added a self-insert to fit the game market moron or else Otaku$ won't buy it .

if you watched the show and never played the game then yea it's pretty good

otherwise the plot is butchered which is what a lot of elitist fags bitch about (yes I've played the game before one of you insecure faggots asks me that)

>the plot is butchered
I funny get this meme.
It's all there. Every bit of plot is fucking there. There's nothing missing.
I just don't get this.

Beacuase "fans" are just insecure faggots that wanted monologue and monologues with shirou explaining every single moves he his making, detail in every sigle part his power and how he can Gilgamesh.
They didn't get their infodumps and they are pissed.

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But I'm a fan. I've read and played every Type Moon work I can get my hands on.
I enjoyed it, and felt it was a good adaptation.

So please, someone explain this to me. No one ever gives details.

Sorry, but I can't. I enjoyed it too.

Saber is just extremely fuckable.

Google might be a good place to start...

floatingintobliss.wordpress.com/2016/03/06/fatestay-nights-appeal-and-why-the-anime-was-unable-to-capture-it/

boards.fireden.net/_/search/text/miura ubw/

(Personally I thought it was fine despite the overwhelmingly negative threads and aftermath)

I was agreeing with you, dumbo.

My idea is thata lot F/Z animeonly fags didn't liked it so all the VN readers went on defence and started to say "it's a bad adaptation, you would have liked it if it was a faithful adaptation".

Plot wasn't butchered. Characters and theme exploration were. Take the resolution to the Archer-Shirou fight.

VN: Shirou threw away the techniques absorbed from Archer and his attacks become skill-less swings, but hit harder than before, a metaphor for how he acknowledges he can't beat Archer/his ideals are impossible and he isn't trying to win anymore/achieve his ideal, rather his resolve is finally hardened by simply trying to fight/chase after his ideals. This is what made Archer threw the fight. There's even a transition in thought from "I don't want to be a superhero, I'm going to become one..!" to "He's right. I can't be a superhero".

Anime: J-pop riddled flashback with Shirou saying "no, ur wrong" and DBZ powering up his projections. He does super-skilled backflips and is able to deflect giant swords thrown at him afterwards, almost like if the theme was "fuck the impossible, you can do anything if try hard enough!!!!". It even takes place in UBW even though it makes no sense at all how Archer still has the mana to support it.

It's things like that which stops the VN from becoming generic battle shonen material, and the anime changes it into generic battle shonen material.

So poor and boring direction?

>floatingintobliss.wordpress.com/2016/03/06/fatestay-nights-appeal-and-why-the-anime-was-unable-to-capture-it/
>the source is shit but its ufotable's fault for not fixing it
>they shouldnt have skipped the common route
>a VN with several routes cant be properly adapted

The only legit complaints I can read from that shit is the magic crest and the use of UBW.

Yes, he is saying that he wanted those.

More like directing from a hack that didn't even understand the source material. Heavily ironic considering, for all the Zero secondaries out there, Urobuchi was able to perfectly understand the message and filled out a prequel supporting it.

In the anime there is a whole sequance of him saying "he is right, My desire is false. Saving everyone is just hypocrisy."

Nasu
>I want UBW and Zero to be different things

Miura
>I'm striving for a F/Z sequel

I can't believed I transcribed this booklet.

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Proto saber's Excaliblast looks stronger than his female counter part.

Why are Butcherfags so retarded that they can't realize that FZ is a manchild power fantasy just like FSN is a chuuni fantasy? If you have a problem with any of them you're a normalfag or a woman and don't belong here.

power levels were a lot higher back then

>If you have a problem with any of them you're a normalfag or a woman and don't belong here.
Nice hugbox mindset.

the vn is fucking shit

Yeah and the industry shrinked to shit as a concequence, you barely see any anime on tv anymore and the ones in nippon have dogshit quality.

You can find shit quality anime in the past too but

1. they weren't as prevalent because larger budgets, competition, and a wider range of anime
2. much less outsourcing to korea, vietnam, taiwan and china

The shrinking of the anime industry happened gradually, westeners bought anime, japs figure that adding fanservice and merchandise based on it they can exploit otakus at the same time, westeners keep buying anime out of habit but don't enjoy it as much because of above, producers keep banking on both, westeners are eventually alienated and now they only have otakus, anime industry shrinks, quality drops considerably, digital, outsourcing and 3d out the ass, quality drops even more.

It's a vicious cycle and they have no one to blame but them, the last anime to reach "old" numbers in the west in terms of sales and exposure is fucking death note.

>that gil

I'm really glad they scrapped this

Can we post saber in her armour or in a suit. She is too good looking in her armour to not be posted.

Fate/Zero > UBW > *

>focuses on elements featured in hf
what's your point?
it's still ALL EDGE ALL THE TIME

Just like HF.

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Fate Stay Night was literally a hentai game. Admittedly, I was a chuuni and thought that VN was the best thing ever back then. Fate/Zero was a more interesting novel.

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>Not liking nude Gilgamesh
You're a fag or what, mate?

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>but it sure as hell wouldn't have appealed to anyone here on Sup Forums.

Y-yyeah, w-who would like anything l-like that? R-rr-r-right guys?!

FSN was a VN with H scenes shoved in there for whatever reason, just like Tsukihime.

They don't add anything. It's not an H focused VN like Taimanin.

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who is this?

Da Vinci

It sucks that FSNs reputation is forever tarnished by these shitty anime adaptations.

This is the real point right here. Maybe you enjoyed it when you first played it, there's nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is trying to defend it's objective category of flaws out of insecurity.

This is why you can't talk about anything pre-2005 on Sup Forums

Ok I'm done. Fuck this shit

Where are its flaws? Point them out.

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You should be more mad about this shitty design there

>the mona lisa was a self portrait