>hey, here's a really cool idea for a unique female protagonist and a neat scenario to go along with her >oh wait, this will never sale... >okay, I got it! Let's make a beta male protag with literally no interesting qualities and make the story structured around how he baits her into becoming his girlfriend! >Perfect!
>hey here's a perfect girl who's in love with the protag >"I love Emilia"
Jace Moore
Pic unrelated?
Nathaniel Robinson
>everyone from France/Germany/England is blonde, refined, and sophisticated
Liam Jenkins
>Asuka is bestgirl because she's none of these
Austin Torres
Stop bullying saber you monster.
Christian Brooks
pic completely related, unfortunately
Noah Miller
you made saber sad
Chase Taylor
I'm about to make her something else to be honest
Nolan Martinez
>those tits That's not Saber.
Thomas Hill
Silly user, Saber is worried that the people pushing those water balloons against her delicious flat tits are going to pop them and get her wet
Christopher Thomas
>Fate Stay Night >anime Keky secondaries
Connor Lewis
>draw king artur >call it a girl
how do they keep getting away with this?
Nathan Wilson
Japs like cute girls doing cute things and gender bending for some reason. Well the male and female otaku do, don't know about the rest of the country.
Saber is as unique as a action anime with a male protag who uses a sword or punches things. If Fate was about gender bender king arthur and her magical penisy adventures with her sister it would never get out of the embarassing sub shit tier porn ghetto.
Ian Cooper
Good. My perfect waifu stays pure and beautiful and the sub shit tier MC gets his boring mary sue heroine.
Luis Cox
>Shirou is a beta male protag with no interesting qualities and has the story structured around how he baits her into becoming his girlfriend
You clearly don't know shit
Benjamin Cook
I'd rather watch an anime about genderbent King Arthur than self-insert beta No. 75893
John Nguyen
Want gender bent females who play as male mcs? Go for it. But remember, Saber is boring as fuck and outside of being the pikachu(who leaped over the shark a long time ago an is just pushed because...fuck if I know)doesn't have anything worthy of not going for her.
If you doubt me then look at the popularity of UBW where her presence was kept to a minimum compared to anything else.
Xavier Rivera
I didn't initially call out FSN for that reason but my point stands about Shirou being an overdone and unnecessarily bad MC
Andrew Morgan
I want shoujo girl and based Arthur back!
Fuck autistic ginger and cashcow waifubait.
Tyler Carter
>he want a pretty boy douchebag fujobait instead of a "king" suffering from his decisions in life.
Ayden Baker
I-is this Saber?
Daniel Jenkins
The way he was done in UBW is actually really good and now that I think about it, and I am DAMNED suprised by this, a really good deconstruction of the shounen hero trope.
No seriously. He's probably the most interesting shounen mc in anime that season and maybe for the next half decade.
Saber, in contrast, is basically every other heroine of the trope down to her costume and personality.
Aaron Clark
>things in anime that you hate
Everything.
Every fucking thing.
Bentley Wright
That's a boy.
Hunter Foster
>wanting Twilight instead of Tsukihime >wanting fujoshit instead of FSN
Andrew Brown
>hey, here's a really cool idea for a unique male protagonist and a neat scenario to go along with him >oh wait, this will never sale... >okay, I got it! Let's make a beta female protag with literally no interesting qualities and make the story structured around how she baits him into becoming her boyfriend! >Perfect!
EVERY. SHOJO. EVER.
Henry Parker
You soar to be confused, friendo
Joshua Martinez
>he want a pretty boy douchebag fujobait instead of a "king" suffering from his decisions in life. >Arthur >douchebag
>"king" suffering from his decisions in life You mean Arthur?
>pretty boy >waaaaah why male protags are good looking I can't self-insert.
Cooper Wright
But that's actually a boy.
Jaxson Moore
>you can self insert if they're good looking
What
Brayden Russell
user, she's literally a she, canonically. Do you even know who she is?
Ethan King
Oh shit, I thought she was Ramza from this picture.
Christian Hughes
You can't be talking about Fate.
The original version on the drawing board had a still-male King Arthur being a literal white-knight for a girl who was much, much less interesting than Shirou.
Liam Lewis
It's okay user, you're not wrong. I never made the connection that Ramza looked like a chick until Dissidia 2015. what the fuck Square
Connor Mitchell
I don't think I can do anime with beta self-inserts anymore. They're almost always power fantasies and I'd much rather see a character study even if they're a boring character like Saber
William Fisher
Cmon now man, just because he's retarded doesn't mean he's a beta.
Mason Wood
>he doesn't know
Chase Hill
powerless-moralfag is close enough to beta
Jeremiah Brooks
I can name two big things more interesting about Ayaka than male Gudako.
Tyler Howard
>powerless-moralfag >has the most broken ability in the series
Noah Allen
>much less interesting than Shirou. the problem is than shirou is not interisting at all.
Dominic Baker
>tripfag forces a meme that suggests that your waifu is a coalburner
Austin Walker
I don't think its "forcing" if the meme sticks, user >coalburner Is that a euphanism for uninteresting?
Juan Lee
>beta male protag accidentally ends up in a sexual situation with another girl >same girl doesn't think logically and beats up the male protag and it's supposed to be funny
Jordan Powell
I'm convinced NGE popularized this but I know it couldn't have been the first...right?
Julian King
no. actual coalburning. remember all those BLACKED threads?
Jack Richardson
Can "anime" even be restricted to "Japanese animation" and manga anymore? It seems more like genre/style
I mean, there's a shitton of VNs that are "anime" as well as straight up action-y videogames as well. I only ask because Sup Forums likes to restrict discussion to gameplay when story and characters in these "anime" games deserve just as much discussion as a regular anime on TV
I'm more of an edgy but still moralfag at heart type of guy. Doesn't mean I want to watch an anime about that though at least not with a male protag, if that makes sense
Julian Garcia
>Saber, in contrast, is basically every other heroine of the trope down to her costume and personality.
In UfoBW and Deen, sure, but she had way more going on in FSN and HA. She was a garbage doormat moralfag in Zero.
Jayden Brown
>things about this thread I hate >OP is a newfag faggot who only watches shitty battleharemshit then complains its a shitty battleharemshit
Ryder Turner
I actually dropped FSN *because* it was battleharamshit. I only gave it a shot because it was popular and had no idea it was the anime with the genderbent you-know-who
Andrew Long
Harem antics that wouldn't exist without shirou? The part where she grows a dick and knocks up her sister?
What are these deep moments that make this obvious mascot character that has less going on then pikachu actually worth watching. Go on. Enlighten me.
Austin Cruz
Try reading the bloody thing for starters. Mind you, I've seen you plenty of times before with the same rhetoric and don't expect to change anything.
Jayden Young
Completely agree with you OP. Shirou's an absolute shit audience surrogate harem lead MC who cannot stand on his own. However for some reason if you criticize Shirou and the ridiculous plot point of the series tying mana recharge with sex (how convenient), Fatedrones will come up in swarms and accuse you of being filthy secondaries.
Shirou's an absolute shit self insert protagonist. He's why there's not a single good Fate anime with him in it, because he's an idiot beta who can't carry a series. Just compare him to Kiritsugu his dad who's his own character.
The VN format of Fate series hides this a little bit, by giving you an illusion of choice as the player, makes you relates to Shirou just like how you would relate to protagonist in real videogames just by the virtue of you exerting control over his action. This illusion of choice in VN ironically blinds a chunk of people who accuses anyone who criticizes Shirou as being secondaries.
Jordan Myers
>Cool idea >Unique female protagonist
>Literally taking a famous male character and turning it into a cute girl with a super cool invisible sword and all other chuuni shit
I bet you think Spiderwoman and Fem Thor are great protagonists too, huh?
Jordan Lewis
>The part where she grows a dick and knocks up her sister? link pls
Nicholas Green
read the pic related here and then we'll talk
Connor Jenkins
Nice arguments there, secondary, you want to tell me how anyone finds it pleasurable self inserting into this
Owen Howard
I would kill for an FFT adaptation.
Wyatt Rodriguez
I have, and I've read the wiki, and seen the anime. And I've seen FUCKALL that says that she's worth a fuck.
No, you sell me on this character. Her look and her being chick arthur pendragon aren't enough.
Jaxson Jackson
>If you do this I will NEVER forgive you!
Nathaniel Robinson
People die when they are killed. Final answer.
Brandon Gomez
Are there any anime protagonists who are an analog for Ramza? I'd prefer him have more focus on the dissonance of being a moralfag but also killing a metric fuckton of soldiers