Do US become the new ussr?

Do US become the new ussr?

Do Russia become the new US?

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Millennials

Their agenda is pushed in the media so no wonder.

Don't worry, they don't actually vote

>45% said they'd vote communist
>21% socialist.
>0% smart enough to know there's little functional difference between the two.

>m-muh generation zyklon
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When they realized Capitalism was shit and fell for the Jew of communism. Just like left/right politics, both capitalism and communism are tools of the jews, you're fucked in either system.

>americans aged 16 to 20 said they would vote

> mfw spent decades fighting the USSR
> tfw we are becoming USSR 2 electric bugaloo

>66% should be given a free helicopter ride

I was a commie when I was their age. I grew up.

Yes

>basing everything off of fucking ONLINE SURVEYS

We have a first past the post system here in Burgerland, vodkanigger. Voting for a socialist is justified if the alternative is even worse.

No, the US will never become communist no matter how many KGB agents and kikes have infiltrated our universities in the 60s, no matter how many SJWs post on Faceberg about how they love Marx, America will never be a communist nation.

And Russia will never equal that of the US, your economy is the size of Italy's despite having more natural reserves than any other nation on Earth, and having zero niggers and spics to destroy your demographics.

im curios, why is russias economy so low when they have so much land and territory that they can exploit? is it just all a frozen shithole thats unexploitable?

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USSR was not bad at all, especially in the 70s and early 80s. And yes, USA is very alike with USSR.

And when they get a job and see how much taxes they pay then they will certainly change

millenial genocide when?

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>21% would vote for a communist

Just gas this generation already we don't deserve to live

yes
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and 100% dont understand socioeconomics

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At least the USSR was majority white.
Communist US will be a bunch of negro and spic commissars hunting down the remaining whites

I fucking abhor commies but i got admit they have quite some good aesthetics.

Commie aesthetics pales and looks like bs in comparison to Nat Soc aesthetics though.

You know what's the funniest thing?
You can make that 45% drop to nearly 0% if you just add the word "national" before "socialist

why didn't evo give you guys a commie flag?

i have thought the same thing,

Those darn russians making sure communism doesnt succeed in our country

HOW COULD THEY GIVE PEOPLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!

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Taxing the rich to throttle back wealth inequality and redistribute that money into jobs through infrastructure deals and education to reinforce the middle class isn't communism.

Ussr was bad. Many didn't even have cars. You had a punch card in the grocery store so officials knew that you had a fair share of rations. Also you had little choice in living conditions and choice of work.

We really, REALLY need to start enforcing the Communist Control Act of 1954.

If I were in a room with a communist, a Nazi, and a Jihadi, and I had a gun with two bullets, I'd double-tap the commie.

>le rich don't pay any/enough taxes!
>They must give me more money!

Stupid nigger.

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That's the educational system. Youth are very impressionable people, which is why a high voting age is very necessary, and leftist parties are most eager to reduce said voting age.

Made me reply. No. The rhetoric in the USSR was nearly identical to the one US currently has. Buzz words were different, but the general propaganda was the same. News was more dignified than the shit show we have now. Their propaganda was gentler too. I remember it as a teenager. There were no bread lines, no rations. In the 90s everything collapsed Venezuela style, but the communism was long gone. Even in the 70s the communism was sort of like a utopia already. It was called socialism, and everyone was convinced USSR was the best country. There was little to no crime until the government collapsed. Then SHTF. In the US we will have bread lines too the way the shit is going. It's not a function of communism, it's a function of a collapsing economy.

They're not giving me money for free you dumb cunt. It's a job offering. And wealth inequality is a real issue. Sections of the economy are becoming more and more centralized than they can ever be without antitrust claims being thrown around. Our middle class is shriking and the rich are getting richer.

Im not talking about taxing Multimillionaire john and his successful decent sized business, im talking about taxing the multi billionaires that have bought out thousands of companies and basically run the entire industry.

You can't compare american standard of living to soviet standard of living in the 80s. The only car for people who weren't governmet officials was the trabant. A two stroke 20hp car made out of cardboard polymers. There are stories of cows eating the car bodies. Meanwhile in the US, the average economy car had seat belts, radio, AC, safety standards, emission standards, mechanical fuel injection. The quality of goods wasn't even close. Stop romanticizing the ussr

>There are stories of cows eating the car bodies
Huh, interesting.

Could be, as this one is made out of

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No, eu is neo ussr

You can't but until the 90s, Soviet standard of living was constantly increasing. In the 80s it increased dramatically. In the US, the last 17 years the standard of living is a constant decline. I remember in the 90s, the food was insignificant vs the salary. Now the food for the average american is closer to what an average soviet spent on food.

Again, the cars now are sort of outdated technology. Car being a measure of standard of living now is the same fallacy soviets who had no VCR were measuring their standard of living with. Meanwhile, their housing costs were fraction of what our housing costs are. Comparing cars americans have now vs cars the soviets didn't have is not an accurate and meaningful comparison. People in the US now live in cars. Does that make them feel superior to soviet citizens who didn't have a car but had a roof over their head?

The point is that the rhetoric in USSR and the US now are identical. But USSR had improving life style and the US already has a declining life style. What you don't understand is that it's nearly impossible to maintain control over country with the declining quality of life. It's like nobody expects your salary to go down over time. If it does, the company will have a problem. It's the same thing with the countries.

This stupid graphic misleads with the second figure. It's 21% of the former 45%, which is about 9%, but the bar is 21% of the people showing.

we have mauntain niggers instead of sand and normal ones

Grabby faggot.

I don't think using cars as an anology was a fallacy, it perfectly shows the effectiveness of delivering innovation even to the most basic level in both systems.
I don't think a sizeable portion of people live in their cars. Maybe in expensive places to live, but I haven't seen anything like that where I live. It's true that I have less power with my money today than I did back in the 80s, but you make it sound like that is irreversible. Mind you we just went through an economic recession, and quality of life wasn't soviet tier levels even during then. But there is a trending issue in the US that has been happening since the 50's and that's the growing wealth inequality. The middle class just doesn't share the same amount of wealth that it enjoyed in the past. In fact, the richest in the country today enjoy levels of wealth seen by robber barons like Carnegie and Rockefeller in the late 1800s. A steep income tax could fix that though.

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Time for America to remember its roots.

well we keep importing 3rd world retards who think taking americans money via taxes will make them wealthy....

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The powers that be want us to become the new USSR, hence why the false flags to get the guns first.

>Americans aged 16 to 20
>16 and 17 cannot even vote
>18-20 don't vote anyways

Kek, no argument
Stay mad

And by the way it's not true what you think the car situation was in Soviet Union. Tarabant was an east German car. USSR didn't have any tarabants on the road. There was a shortage of cars, like in the US there is a shortage of Ferraris, and the cars were a luxury item. If you needed a car you grabbed a gypsy cab and paid a guy. The cars themselves were available in the black market but were much more expensive than official dealers, and the official dealers had waiting lists. Exactly the same shit is happening with the Ferraris in the US. But if you wanted to buy a used car, it was more expensive than the price of a new car, and you could buy it no problem.But people didn't want to overpay and waited on the waiting list. If you really wanted money, you could get a job in the far North, and buy a car after a few months of work there. Most of the people just chose to sit on their asses. People who were willing to work had the cars. It wasn't a big deal. Getting a new car at artificially low price from an official dealer is what everyone wanted.

And here you have a cultural difference, because the Russians are always complaining vs the americans who always boast. If you listen to any Russian, they will explain to you how shit is terrible. When American will be a homeless bum living in a car and pretends shit is great. So the US propaganda used that difference to shit all over the Soviets.

Soviet Union was not the paradise on earth, but it wasn't anything near the hell Soviets believed in the end. Africa and Middle East are far worse. Lat Am is worse too. Due to the constant complaining from the ex-Soviets, you really take it at face value, and you shouldn't. Same with Americans. Everything is the best in the US, and then they eat cat food at home. There are many people dirt poor in the US. I live in a good neighborhood, and I see people living in cars, so they can probably boast they live in the neighborhood.

No. After these dumb faggots all get into the job market with the useless degrees they squandered their yuppie parents' money on, everything will even back out.

How do you know it's not merely the apolitical millennials who aren't voting?

You didn't offer an argument. The billionaires you put people out of work? You mean the people who provided the same services using far fewer resources? The same innovations that let you live better than an ancient king despite being a useless NEET?

You are a disgusting ignorant pig and your greed -- disguised as morality -- makes everybody poorer.

As if communist have ever cared about votes.

Antifia are armed and willing to commit violence, that alone puts them at the top.

All the moral cuckservative types tbat still believe in the democracy pipe dream would be killled in their houses and their massive gun collections would are the rebellion.

MUH REDPILLED GEN Z THEORY BTFO

So by your logic Singapore is a disaster, because they have artificial barriers to buying cars, and most people don't have cars there. I live in NYC, most people don't have cars here either in the city. Most people in the Soviet Union liven in the cities. I visit Moscow sometimes, and frankly, I wouldn't have a car there either. The traffic is insane. It took me 6 hours to get to the airport the last time. I take an Airport train now when I go, because traffic is not worth it. The subway works great too. At other times I use the cab. I wouldn't want to have a car if I lived in Moscow.

They do not utilize their resources efficiently. You don't have to "exploit" resources for your economy to grow. Investing in the oroduction of capital goods (via advanced tech) will spur more economic growth and increase efficiency. Hence why China is booming, they are investing heavily on infrastructure, tech, etc.

The majority of russians lived out in the boonies. Not having a car out there is pretty disabling compared to having the option of having a car in the city as a form of luxury when public transport exists.

We beat you economically, but you beat us culturally.
My hats off to the KGB, they did their job well

>Their propaganda was gentler too. I remember it as a teenager.
It wasn't gentler. It was just informational blockade for anything else. Otherwise, it was very ugly and in your face. And we elected Donald and not Bernie, so US still has a few decades before the bread lines.

Some captains of industry today can be compared to the robber barons of the late 1800s. The difference being that their exploited workforce is overseas compared to it being here. So it's hard to see the inequality because the prices of goods stay low due to low manufacturing overhead. Combine this with automation and you have the perfect cocktail to become rediculously rich. So rich that a few hundred people own 50% of the economy. This simply puts strain on us because personal ownership of that amount of wealth drives up inflation. A huge portion of our capital isn't actively circulated today like it has been in the past. You can see how this could cause some stagnation.

What are you talking about? Russian boonies is apartment complexes a la projects far from a city center with buses. While, theoretically the car would help, there is no street parking there to even remotely accommodate those living in the complex, and the traffic is such that it will take you much longer to get to the center than by car. They mostly live in big cities too. But even in a small city if you get to the city, there is no parking once you got there. When I was there it made a lot more sense to use the subway or hail a car and pay the driver to get you there.

>Many didn't even have cars

to be fair that's the way it is with younger people today, though not necessarily because they can't afford a car - they're just too fucking lazy and/or uninterested in getting a license

I'm talking about farmers and isolated industrial centeres. Soviets didn't have the freedom to travel like westerners could with car culture. It just sounds extremely depressing to me.

>and the traffic is such that it will take you much longer to get to the center than by car
should be by subway or by train. Smaller cities have above ground trains from the boonies. So you can hail a car to the train station. It will save you time and money.

Russia is not a good place to own a car. It's cold too, so cars don't start well in the winter, and driving on ice when it snows daily is not the same thing as in the US. They have snow non stop throughout the winter.

Farmers had Wrangler type of trucks even in the Soviet Union. City people shunned them. UAZ uaz.ru/en/cars/hunter everyone called it a goat. It wasn't considered a car.

I didn't know this, thanks for the info.

Also a lot of farmers just used farm's car at will. The farm was a coop type of a shithole. Farmers were fucked, though. They are still fucked with no communism.

Complete bullshit. Kill yourself larper.

More than half of America doesn't even vote because they know its all rigged.

What's bullshit? Soviet propaganda was clearly identifiable as propaganda, and was boring shit they used to plug into TV programs. They even would write some scathing critiques of metal bands in newspapers, and in fact this was just a heads up that the new album came out. It wasn't as serious as US propaganda. It was their downfall that they had shit propaganda. They believed in morals and shit.

I dont know if he is describing the USSR, but it was like that in Bulgaria. Shit was going great in the 70's, the early 80's were a pinnacle ... suddently things went stale, some USD started to flow in and we got fucked.
Romania, Hungary and Chechoslovakia remain their right to despise socialism due to the shitheads they had as leaders back then!

>aged 16 to 20
the majority of these kids will grow out of it once reality hits them and they start paying taxes and dealing with government agencies in adulthood
the small majority that won't grow out of it is usually to lazy to get up and vote

Your entire line of thought regarding the comparison of communism to capitalism.

Communism is an absolute cancer ideology and it's time we look at it the way we look at nazism. People glorifying it are holding everyone back.

I want America to turn commie solely for the reason of showing all these commies what abuse of power really looks like.

Well, US is not a capitalist country, and Soviet Union was not a communist country. SU descended into doing world good at some point and was supporting a shit load of african and asian scum. They poured money on any retarded African nog who said he is going to pursue socialism. Basically that and cold war ate up all the resources together with the satellite countries. Communism was perfunctory bullshit that everyone had to pretend is the final goal.

US is in many respects the same way. We are not even remotely capitalist, because oh, you know the free markets are cruel, so lets not let the failed enterprises fail. There is no market discipline essential for capitalism, and the end result is the same bureaucratic machine Soviet Union was. It's called different, the buzz words are different, the intent is the same. In the end SU was giving money for discretionary spending to people. The end result was there was money, but nothing to buy with subsidized prices. That's the end of SU. At which point the exact same shit will happen to the US, when the methods are the same. The explanations are different. Even the explanations are sort of the same. How can you leave somebody with no gibs if they really need and want it? So how is that any different, and what does it have to do with either communism or capitalism? It's just malinvestment and pissing away resources across the board in both empires. Both were shitty empires who didn't believe internally they are empires.

taxing the rich in a globalized economy would not benefit the middle class. if you had 10 billion dollars and heard a politician saying he was going to limit your ability to have income, would you tough it out for your home in san francisco or would you cry and move to practically any european city for a deal where you don't pay taxes because they'll do fucking anything for our billionaires?

people with money aren't defenseless pinata's they don't have to stay within your grasp, they certainly don't have to keep their money circulating through it either.

to quote a negro, "don't hate the playa, hate the game" most billionaires are pretty fuckin chill dudes. they usually willingly direct their money where they think it should go. I wouldn't trade paul allen for -25% of washington state's debt. not like that's where they'd put the extra revenue anyway. realistically they'll spend it all on an unimpressive monorail, if they're actually lucky enough to really get it this time.

Alright you clearly are more knowledgeable than I am and I don't know enough about those things to argue them honestly with you.

Ideology is a wrapping to sell it to the people. Underneath it is whatever the government wants to do. China is a communist country that took a different route than SU, and is #2 economy now. Whatever the banner says is irrelevant. You have to see what they actually do, not what they say. Everyone is a good guy according to themselves. Meanwhile, the free market republicans have no problem pissing away trillions on military with no oversight. So how capitalist is that shit?

Do you know what happens when a large company is allowed to just fail, abruptly?

the $700 billion dollar bailout ultimately ended with a small profit of 15 billion dollars. sure we could have made more in interest elsewhere but that's not what we would have done with the money anyway.

what they didn't tell you is that the "source" in your image did most of it's surveying in California, specifically Los Angeles and San Fran

Not even kidding

Young people don't vote much.
The media here is pretty anti-communist and anti-socialist.

Every American should be able to differentiate socialism, capitalism, communism, and corporatism. Unfortunately, less than 1% can in my experience.

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B-but anything other than the magical special kind of totally never-been-tried capitalism is the devil and makes you literally Stalin who killed 100 billion trillion people and should be thrown from a helicopter! Mises.org, Stefan Molyneux, and Steven Crowder said so!

Some of the issues with the Trabant came from the fact that the model was unchanged since the 1950s, since it wasn't really a priority. Also, the Trabant was in the DDR, not the Soviet Union.

>7 women
>3 dudes

I can see a voterbase that is 70% female voting Marxist.

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IIRC people had a lot of opportunity to travel as long as it was within certain countries.

I don't think so, isn't the 2nd largest party in Russia the successor to the former communist party of the soviet union?

SLAVS ARE NOT WHITE
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"Americans"

Of the 76 million Americans under the age of 18 at least 7 million are "Dreamers" or "anchor babies"- neither of which have any real legal authority to claim citizenship beyond that which local authorities choose to give them.

Additionally there are up to 7 million more who were born to non-citizens who may or may not have gained citizenship or are the children of non-citizens who hold permanent residency.

This means the actual Gen Z with both parents born in the USA numbers only 62 million.

Also keep in mind Gen Z is only 53% white when including all the foreigners. However polling shows that white Gen Zers are strongly conservative, meaning that the pro-socialist pro-communist bent comes largely from dumb fucking chinks and mexicans.

You have no clue what the crisis was. It was a market panic, and the US government picked winners and losers, not the market. Lehman was robbed for the benefits of others, and Fannie and Freddie were the fall guys even though they were solvent unlike Citi. And WAMU was a raid Russian style. That whole crisis was ugly. But even without that, lots of insolvent companies are allowed to survive and a lot of them thrive because their main line of business is government backed. All big accounting firms are not held responsible for fraud after Enron and Anderson. It's creeping. Auto industry is non competitive. Defense industry is African tier companies. The market today is littered with zombie companies. And not just banks.But for banks, there is a process of receivership. The illiquid bank is going into conservatorship, the insolvent go into receivership. No market disruption. Meanwhile, they had no problem with Lehman filing chapter 7 in the middle of the trading day. That was the best trading day I've ever had. Banks probably made hundreds of billions on that Lehman liquidation.

our auto industry doesn't deserve the shit it gets anymore, it has drastically improved. they were worth what they asked for because they sustained a large amount of factory work.

the only companies that are insolvent but "allowed to survive" are patent holders, and they have every reason to have disproportionate debt and income. companies often have large amounts of debt and no income for prolonged periods of time, and it's not out of the kindness of the government's heart.