Why the hell would I want to watch a show about two attractive smart and popular people who fall in love

why the hell would I want to watch a show about two attractive smart and popular people who fall in love

I can't self-insert into that

Because there might be touching or interesting moments, there isn't a need to self-insert in everything, just enjoy it sometimes for what it is, entertainment.
And not a way to affirm your lifestyle.

>Because there might be touching or interesting moments
nah it's fuckin anime versions of chad and stacy

fuck you anno, how could you make evangelion and then this shit

Self-Inserting into anything other than porn. Why the fuck.

He just keeps letting you down, letting you down, letting you down?

He hates you for loving Rei, otaku-kun.

I heard that Anno stopped directing the show at some point and that it turns to shit after his departure. Is that true and at what episode is that?

but I love asuka

she's a shitty flawed human being just like shinji and I think two awful human beings can come together and make a happy relationship (that should never have children)

I would be ok with it if they werent smart

But i cant self insert like that either fuck

Tsurumaki took over. It's still good.

Then watch Watamote, it's the closest to real life

Anno is a meme, you dumbasses keep falling for it.

Anno is a god, every move he makes is calculated genius

Tell that to the rebuilds...

The Rebuilds just prove the point.

>I didn't pass high school english because I didn't understand any of the concepts
I'm so sorry, user, life must be hard

Anno memes his way through interviews

That's not even an interview. That's from that TV special where he was teaching kids for a day. He's literally talking to children.

'Anno' means 'Year' in latin, and Hideaki is 4-5-20 in Gematria. Therefore in our timeline, second impact will occur on 4th of May, 2020.

He actually does add a bunch of crosses and shit because its western and cool. EVA is only well known for its art and direction

>kare kano will forever be soiled because of the autistic author sperging out
It hurts to live.

Yes, when this one, single man sat down and animated the entire series, plus films, himself, he added the crosses in a spur of the moment decision.

You can't self insert because you're not Japanese and the pressure to be perfect isn't as strong. Being perfect is only meant to emphasize their pressure to be perfect (although self imposed) which is the relatable part. These types of high stress people don't find love that easily in real life.

>not interested in actual character flaws
>not interested in characters that feel like real people

People like you are the reason why we keep getting this loser NEET otaku wish fulfillment garbage.

>tfw don't self insert in anything and actually enjoy the shows for what they are, if they are good

Feels good desu. Sometimes a show makes me reflect on my life but never I self inserted in a character, it sounds too pathetic even for me. Like I know who I am, I could never project my person on any character because I know how different I am from those, this level of delusion just wouldn't work for me

btw Kare Kano becomes a bit generic after ep 4 so I dropped it. Maybe I will pick it up some day idk

I don't want 'real people', I have enough of those on my job.

>watching a literal slut
Trash show to be honest

Because they are a facade. They are popular because they don't show themselves the way they really are. When they meet each other they decide to drop the act and be themselves. Even if you weren't popular, you surely know how it feels to lie about yourself hoping that others will like you.

It was a whole mess. Yes, at a point he left, but the show was still really funny. Then, one of the last chapters (I think 23) was directed by an outsider who had no clue about was going on, and it's about the sisters. Finally Anno came to finish the series.
This anime is fucking great, it's a must-see in its genre, and probably a must-see anime altogether.

Nah, I was cold as ice, none of that fake shit with me, if you wanted something from me, state your intention clearly and we'll talk business.
Being considerate is just a waste of energy.

You're such an idiot that I'd be literally wasting my time if I actually argued with you. So I'll simply insult you. There.

Do you even need to

Me too user, I can't delude myself about who I am and there's no character I could ever 100% agree with and see myself in.

No, you

You've never put on a mask for any interaction with anyone? Not even a teacher or boss?

Shows and tales and art in general are based on others' life experiences. It's only natural that some aspects of a few characters might resonate with our own lives, whereas many other won't. Anyone who says he's "100%" like a given character is an idiot desperate to be accepted, and probably is like the character only on the surface. You might LIKE a character in its entirety, that's another thing altogether.
That being said, we all probably have one or two characteristics of either Arima or Miyazawa, if not we might have a few similarities to someone of the supporting cast, since the characters in this series are pretty heterogeneous. Each to its own degree, some might be very similar, some might just resemble a little.

He might be too dense to notice it. Don't waste your time.

>that episode where they burn the animation cels during the credits
Absolute madmen.

This show really is a must watch. Just be aware that as opposed to ending, the show just stops.
I'd describe the show as an intentional, choreographed trainwreck.

Outside of people obviously using it as a joke, is this whole "self-insert" concept entirely a meme or can people honestly not watch a series unless they can project onto its protagonist?

Who are you quoting? What does that greentext even mean? The OP has a much better grasp of the English language than you do, ESL-kun.

I tried watching the italian dub when I was younger with my sister.
Didn't see anything in it at the time.
Is the nip audio better?

There's nothing grammatically wrong with that sentence.

STOP SELF INSERTING

STOP

SELF

INSERTING

The nip is nothing special but it's not bad or anything.
Just know what you're getting into. The story is mostly generic high school romcom but the presentation is what sets it apart.

They were adapting a manga. They wanted to make it funnier. The manga, although it has funny moments, is more drama oriented. Creative differences between Gainax and the mangaka arose, so the second Season didn't happen. They had to somehow ending it in any case, because it was chapter 26 and that was it. And the idea of a "loop", of everything that happened between Miyazawa and Arima beginning anew between Tsubaki and Takefumi, is brilliant IMHO. I do know that my view of that finale is something almost no one agree with though. But given the circumstances, I liked the way it finished.

I knew it was an adaptation but not the rest. Glad they decided to make it funnier because it would have been thoroughly mediocre otherwise.

Yeah, I finished the whole manga, and for moments the drama was so... forced. As if the author wanted your empathy towards the character at any cost: "hey, you should like this guy, see all that he's going through". Empathy happens naturally with well written characters, not because drama is shoved in our face. Evidently Anno and Gainax understood this better, so even if the drama is there and is what keeps everything moving, the humor takes a little bit more of relevance when whatever is happening isn't important to the characters development.
I really liked the silly moments of the anime. Specially in Miyazawa's family. I even used to play Uno (a cards game) with my cousins when I was a kid! Kare Kano was a celebration of family, something that doesn't happen so much in anime in general. In most of Shoujo we know only a few things about the family, in Shounen often we don't even know if the main character's parents are even alive. But in Kare Kano at times they become as important as the main characters, and that's awesome.

this

slice of life anime is the only good genre

It WAS good, it was never the only good genre (there's no such thing as that to begin with, good or bad anime is good or bad disregarding the genre), now it's all moe shit.
Kare Kano, for instance, was great, and it was a romantic comedy.

I found the anime inspiring. I wanted to do like them, pretend I were a perfect person, when I watched it.

It does get worse, but it's far from as bad as everyone say. It's still at least as good as the average shoujo romance. You are missing out on a masterpiece if you let that keep you away from it.

You're not a girl. Girls prefer watching other beautiful girls. But only if they go through a series of failures to 'put them in their place'. Then later overcome those failures to win the guy. The basis for every Hallmark movie ever made.

Kare Kano actually goes against that which is why it has such mixed reviews. And men seem to like it more. Kimi ni Todoke follows the formula more for what girls want to see. As well as having Sawako start off as being plain and unpopular, but gradually overcoming these traits.

Mahou Shoujo does slice of life better than pure slice of life does.

>given the circumstances

Lol yeah they're so well off, especially Arima.
Life has always been so easy for him and he's not troubled in the least.
Please kill yourself for posting this weak ass bait

Sawako's character is fucking unbearable. The love interest is too much of a cool guy and I feel partially bad for him for being stuck in that shitshow.

Because it's the greatest love story anime has ever told (just stop after ep 18).

NGE was bad, Kare Kano is Anno's best work.

Slice of life isn't a genre, it's a narrative technique. All of the "slice of life" shows you idiots refer to fall into actual genres such as comedy, iyashikei, drama, romance, etc.

>greatest love story ever told
That's not Toradora,

>NGE was bad
>Kare Kano is Anno's best work

Anybody know what chapter picks up from episode 18? Or should I just skim from the beginning?
Is episode 19+ really that bad

Toradora is trash.

It doesn't so much get bad so much as it just stops being good. It's not like the production violently explodes or anything, it just kind of lays on the ground and stops moving.

Nothing Anno has written has ever been good. Why do you think he hasn't done any originals other than eva and a few flop live action films? Nobody has faith in his ability to come up with an original story, and I doubt he thinks of himself as a good writer. NGE was just successful because it was unlike anything anybody had ever seen before, not because it was good.

He's a great director, though. His directorial work on Kare Kano was inspired and led Gainax to its now distinct style.

There is really no value to watching past ep 18. A bunch of recap, introducing a couple new characters to set up a plot which never even gets going before the show is cancelled. Also I've never read the manga because I've heard it's a huge mess and gets super fucked up. The anime is supposed to be far better because of all the changes Anno decided to make. Those changes, of course, led to major conflict with the creator over which Anno resigned, and the series was cancelled soon after.

I suppose I'm just worried that the later episodes might sour my experience with the series, which is so far good.

Maybe you should just stop being such a loser. It's your own fault you're one.

>Slice of life isn't a genre
Notice how I didn't call it a genre. And specifically cited how a certain genre usually has better slice of life than show that try to focus on slice of life alone.

>NGE was a fluke
I love this meme

Don't know why you dislike her except for her being shy. And even then, she's way better than 99% of 'shy' girls in anime. Then you turn around and think the main male is a 'cool guy' when he's even more shy and scared to act than she is.

The show is basically a story about two shy people who can't admit their feelings. With a ton of good secondary characters to keep it interesting. Its Ah! Megami sama done correctly.

>Why do you think he hasn't done any originals other than eva and a few flop live action films
Did you actually forget entirely about Nadia and fucking Gunbuster?

>His directorial work on Kare Kano was inspired and led Gainax to its now distinct style.
Kare Kano's directorial style is incredibly similar to NGE's.

maybe if you weren't a ugly dumb unfriendly asshole you could.

>Did you actually forget entirely about Nadia and fucking Gunbuster?
I guess I wasn't clear enough? He hasn't CREATED any originals other than eva. The original story for Gunbuster was written by Yamaga and Anno isn't even credited as a writer on Nadia.

The point is that he does great work directing other peoples' stories, but can't write his own stories to save his life (NGE).

>Kare Kano's directorial style is incredibly similar to NGE's.
It obviously has similarities, but in Kare Kano Anno was experimenting with a very distinct new style, the style eventually perfected by his protege Tsurumaki on FLCL (which I really see mostly as a directorial study by gainax) and which would become Gainax's signature.

>The point is that he does great work directing other peoples' stories, but can't write his own stories to save his life (NGE).
Sometimes its a good thing when a director sticks to directing. Junichi Sato is one of the best directors in anime for this reason. He's good at overseeing the best out of others. Not writing original content. Though he does rework things a lot in the storyboard phase.

And on that note, you need to realize Anno didn't completely write and design Eva by himself. Other people, such as the previously mentioned Junichi Sato, worked on Eva.

OP never said anything about them being well off.

>Anno didn't completely write and design Eva by himself
Of course, but he was in that creator / showrunner role. I definitely agree with everything you're saying. Anno does fantastic work when he's given lots of freedom to direct somebody else's material.

What exactly is your big problem with NGE? What massive writing issues do you feel it suffers from?

Also I don't agree that Kare Kano was a huge departure from Eva's style. There were certainly parts of (comedy scenes mostly) that feel like pretty much nothing like Eva, but most of the more grounded and introspective scenes feel like they were pulled right from NGE's later episodes. FLCL is much more freeform. It shares some visual tricks with Kare Kano but the way the story is told is far less deliberate than Kare Kano.

Why is self-loathing so fashionable now? You know that that it's not a good thing that you're a fuck up, right?

>story has to be completely reworked in the last couple episodes for budgetary reasons
>retcon the whole climax and finale with a movie because it was such a disappointment
>no massive writing issues

That's a budget issue, not a writing issue.

This wont stop until Sup Forums understands that they ultimately want to be normalfags

>I can't self-insert into that
then you should prolly kill yourself
or at least leave Sup Forums forever

It's the budget impacting the narrative of the show. The end of the show is poorly written, the reason does not matter. Bad writing is bad writing.

Anyway, that's just the most glaring and blatant issue, but Anno manages to fall into just about every trap of a rookie author. If you ignore the intentionally obfuscated plot and just examine the thing as being the sum of its characters, then it becomes pretty apparent that they have no real arc to them. Shinji's story isn't a coming of age story we he grows from an unsure, unstable teenager to something more closely resembling maturity. He's just an unsure, unstable teenager who is eventually given the choice to hit the big reset button and makes his choice based on his unchanged unsure, unstable teenager nature.

So maybe it's not about having some kind of satisfying narrative arc, some kind of growth. Maybe it's just about illustrating what it's like to be a frustrated teenager, constantly pushed around by people, feeling threatened by the weight of the world, by women, by your responsibilities. Okay. Then it's pretty shallow. Do we really need twenty-six episodes of what is ostensibly a character study to show how much it sucks being a teenager?

It was actually a time issue. The show was already airing before they had even finished production. And basically everything after Rei III was being rushed to completion to meet the deadline. Rumor has it that the last episode was finished 2 days before it aired.

>The end of the show is poorly written, the reason does not matter.
Of course it does. If a author is writing a book and suddenly dies before finishing it, the rest of the book does not become poorly written due to the lack of an ending, it's just an unfinished book.

It's not about how it sucks to be a teenager, it's about how much it sucks to be anyone. It's about the difficulty of forming and maintaining relationships with people, and that's what the show focuses on, the relationships. Although the characters themselves don't change that much, the way they interact with each other and their world does, and that's what fuels the drama.

Budget isn't just money, it's time as well.

>If a author is writing a book and suddenly dies before finishing it, the rest of the book does not become poorly written due to the lack of an ending, it's just an unfinished book.
This is a bad analogy. Here's a more accurate one: If the publisher sits the author down and tells them, "you have one hour to write the final act of your book," and the resulting final act is poorly written because of that time constraint, then the fact is that the final act is poorly written. If you're assessing the book critically, the reason does not matter.

i like the last two episodes of nge

Your analogy is better, but it's still clearly unfair to judge the writing of the whole work based on the final portion due to the massive pressures put on the writer during that time that left him unable to realize his vision for the work.

And luckily enough for Eva you do actually get to see the fully realized ending as well, so I fail to see why it's such an issue.

>Anno wanted Kare and Kano to have a comedic atmosphere
>Tsuda wanted Anno to develop the story in the same direction the manga were going darker
>Tsurumaki took the helm as Director and basically kept the same comedic atmosphere Anno left the series as when he exit
At least, Anno went on and adapted Ebichu.

I certainly like the last two episodes more than the movie.

last 2 eps of eva > end of eva
this is my legitimate opinion and i would be very interested to talk about it, i have no idea if this is controversial or not

It's not controversial and I don't hate the last two episodes I just don't think they contain much of what made NGE so memorable.

>You know that that it's not a good thing that you're a fuck up, right?

Fairness doesn't really enter into it. We're talking about critique. All that matters is the material, not the circumstances of its creation. Having some excuse for the material being bad does not make the material inherently better.

Anyway, we've strayed pretty far from the topic at hand.

The truth is that I watched NGE and EoE once, years ago. I remember that at the time my opinion of it was, "the writing of this thing is a mess. What am I supposed to be getting out of this? Life is hard? Why should I care?" I don't really have the ability to discuss it in much more detail because I honestly don't remember it that well. I just remember that I was not at all invested in any of the characters or any of the events. I should probably rewatch it sometime just so I can do a better job of shitposting about it, I guess.

to me, the freeform psychological elements made it almost dreamlike and reminded me of the best episodes of kare kano

i also felt like the happier mood of them contrasted nicely with end of eva

also, the original episodes had a lot of closure compared to end of eva, which was personally very nice for me as i became quite attached to shinji during the series' run

Are you playing retarded? It's a known fact Anno is agnostic and added the crosses because it looked cool:
>"There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show, we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice"
Not to discredit him or anything, I am sure the Freudian symbolism and all were of meaning and to not look cool.

>We're talking about critique. All that matters is the material, not the circumstances of its creation.
>Context doesn't matter
Context is incredibly important. It gives us a huge insight into what informed the creation of the show and what the creators were going for in making it. And although context doesn't make the work any better intrinsically, it does give you a deeper understanding of it, which is the true goal of a critical analysis.

>I should probably rewatch it sometime just so I can do a better job of shitposting about it, I guess.
Don't rewatch shit just so you can shitpost about it. It's fucking dumb. Only go back if you're genuinely curious.

If you hand in a shitty paper because you had to rewrite it when your file got corrupted or deleted, will the teacher give you as good a grade as you could have gotten if your file was intact?

SORE ARU!

>I remember that at the time my opinion of it was, "the writing of this thing is a mess. What am I supposed to be getting out of this? Life is hard? Why should I care?"

I'm currently watching the show for the second time, and that's the exact same opinion I have.

I appreciate the realism of the series' characters, I understand that the reason why they're not likable is because they're not supposed to be, but as a result, like you said, I'm not invested in any of the characters or events that's going on whatsoever.

Even if it was a train wreck, at least it was better than the Manga.

The male MC is so fucking unlikable in the manga. He was coldsteel tier edge.

But it kills the looming, dreadful buildup the series puts together. It drops the action set-pieces that were such an important part of the series. And instead of being about interaction like the rest of the series was, it instead focused on the characters individually, spelling out their issues in the most on the nose and uninteresting way.
I also found EoE to grant much more closure as well. Although the conclusion is surely darker, it also feels far more honest. The series finale feels almost forced in it's untempered optimism.

A good teacher would recognize the circumstances and grant you an extension on your paper or something of that nature.

>I understand that the reason why they're not likable is because they're not supposed to be
Eva's characters aren't really supposed to be unlikable, they're just supposed to be flawed.