How can anyone be an atheist and not commit suicide?
I think suicide is evil, but atheists who do not believe in right and wrong have no excuse.
If you're going to forget all of life anyway, why go through with it?!
Don't give me legacy nonsense, they're all going to die too.
>but atheists who do not believe in right and wrong have no excuse.
There's this thing I like to call "will to live". It's this biological drive that keeps you alive and attempts to protect you from harm. Even a severely depressed suicidal person might be driven off the ledge by that force, scared about the very thing he wants the most.
Anyone scared of Death is not an atheist!
>I think suicide is evil, but atheists who do not believe in right and wrong have no excuse.
I vvant myself to make people suffer before i die :)
haha stay positive :))))
Anyone scared of death is not religious. An atheist fears death more because they don't believe in an afterlife, dummy.
You're going to have to argue that claim if you want to retain any credibility. The fear of death is an instinct at its core and even if you strip yourself of the cognizant fear, that instinctual aversion will still remain.
How is your sky daddy treating you and the people of your land today fair fellow across the ponds?
>Be 17 Year old British girl
>get raped 3 times in an hour walking home
>final rape a gangrape where she is beaten as well.
All social animals can display moral behaviors. Parents pass their morals along to their children, and individuals take social cues regarding "right" and "wrong" behaviors from friends, family, media influence and more. Religious texts are just an attempt to codify that process.
By and large, atheists are no less moral than any other group of people.
You are making yourself a slave to a invisible made up force. That in itself is beta. You can believe whatever you fucking want, I really don't give a fuck. I start giving a fuck when you start trying to push your ugly cock of an idea down my throat. Just like Islam all these holy book ideologies were invented to control, oppress and maintain power with those who wield it.
Grow the fuck up fairy tale faggot.
hahahahahahahhah.
So death ending it all is more terrifying than the possibility of eternal hellfire.
The title of atheist has to follow through. Any man that says he fears death because of biology should also live in the jungle because of biology. He will live differently where it benefits him but will be an animal where he is scared.
You are displaying signs of mental illness.
Get your shit checked out.
Are you familiafr with free will and evil. This suffices to explain the second part.
The second part will be answered here too:
Religions claim to be true, you must take them at their claims and not assume they are actually just moral systems. The God bit would be pointless if just moral code.
I'm a Catholic. Suicide is forbidden for us, but I can't see why brave, strong atheists wouldn't.
>The title of atheist has to follow through
No. Atheist means nothing but the lack of belief in god(s). That is all there is to the term.
>Any man that says he fears death because of biology should also live in the jungle because of biology.
That is utterly absurd and makes no sense at all. A man cannot pick and choose his biology. A man cannot just abandon his instincts and be something else. Were we capable of that, we would not even be human, we would not be biological beings with
When it comes to the jungle, it is in the very biology of man to evolve, to develop, to build, to civilize, to live as we are now living. ALL of this is the product of our biology. To claim that we should live in the forests and savannas once more is nonsensical as well.
>He will live differently where it benefits him but will be an animal where he is scared.
Because he is still an animal. Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wills.
>How can atheists smile?
Lowered expectations. If all you have is a pile of trash, you still smile at your trash.
>we would not be biological beings with
the nature that belongs to us*
Not sure how that got cut out.
>British intellectuals
Every action I take will be recorded in 4D space forever
I don't need an imaginary sky daddy to feel important
>atheists who do not believe in right and wrong
>muh atheists have no moral direction meme
fuck off
The trick is that in order to survive as an atheist, you have to become fully human.
Most religious people are subhuman so they don't understand what living even means. They just have fairy tales about an afterlife to keep them pacified like little children.
What makes you think an atheist doesn't believe in "right and wrong"?
No, No, No!
You believe you are just a bundle of cells that has self-awareness and also life has no purpose, because only material exists. Why then will you torture yourself with 80 years of life. Why? Why! Give me one good reason. Why?
My instincts tell me to live
My physiology makes me enjoy food, sex, humor, and sunsets
So I think I'd prefer living a happy life for now
Shit, why do anything if it's gonna come to an end? Because, why not?
>mentions 4d sky daddy
>You believe you are just a bundle of cells that has self-awareness and also life has no purpose, because only material exists.
Metaphysical solipsism is the only thing that exists with certainty. The empirical experience of reality has no absolute validity.
>Why then will you torture yourself with 80 years of life. Why? Why! Give me one good reason. Why?
Because "I" choose to.
Killing you is okay. Disagree, go on.
Cuz they are humans
Okay, but it is not a choice defended by reason.
i'm afraid of death guyz
Religious people aren't afraid to die. You guys claim to know what happens when you die after all.
That's why you enjoy martyrdom and shit.
It's like they believe that 2+2=5 and then live their lives as if it equals 4. Just illogical.
>How can anyone be an atheist and not commit suicide?
Some of us like living...
You have to be kidding me! Ever heard of Hell.
Nothing beyond cogito ergo sum is fully defendable by reason. Instinct, emotion, feelings, wishes, hopes, all these things are what make a human human and push him forward. They are not logical in nature, unless you look at it all from a meta/biological perspective and see the traits as evolved behaviours, in which case they do make sense as the end-product of mutations and natural selection.
Atheist means you don't believe in gods. Not anarcho primitivism retardation. Different people have different motivations.
Why? How is commiting suicide and dying 80 any different? The result is the same for you.
How does it follow that if someone is unhappy that they should kill themselves?
Seems illogical. Why should we care about our happiness?
How can you even believe in Reason? What is your basis for it when evolution is not for reason but for reproduction?
I'm alive because I'm at peak masculinity and I would like to make world a better place.
If I'm an atheist it doesn't mean I have no ideals. I'm just able to handle the red pill.
Why not speed up the process of death if it doesn't matter if you are happy or not then?
How can you believe in reason and not believe in evolution?
>How is commiting suicide and dying 80 any different?
50 - 60 years of additiona llife?
>How can you even believe in Reason?
What's there to believe in reason? Could you elaborate on your question?
>What is your basis for it when evolution is not for reason but for reproduction?
Evolution is not for reproduction. Evolution just is and whatever comes out of it comes out of it, without any specific purpose or reason. It is natural selection that filters this purposeless biomass into something organized and unchaotic.
Why would I do that?
I'm a catholic. I do believe in evolution.
So you believe your brain is evolved for reproduction, not reason.
Are you saying you don't believe in reason either?
Will those 50/60 years make your state of death better than a person's who commited suicide at 20? You may be right about evolution not being merely reproduction. But it is only about the physical, which cannot be the base of reason if there is any.
If your made up religion is the only thing you're living for then you have no reason to live. However, if you didn't have that salve then maybe you would find a reason.
Objectively?
It's not right or wrong
But logically I can have a more comfortable existence by obeying the law which maintains our comfortable civilization and my natural empathy for other human beings to avoid psychological anguish
Because it makes no difference in the end and it is the more logical choice. Nothing has a legacy because of death, why not satisfy it by making it your own choice to die.
Man has a soul.
>Will those 50/60 years make your state of death better than a person's who commited suicide at 20?
No, but the state of death does not matter. Inexistence has no meaning, only our existence matters.
>which cannot be the base of reason if there is any.
Why couldn't it be?
If it makes no difference, how is it logical to choose that? Seems like you're contradicting yourself. Choosing something for no reason is the height of illogical behavior.
I should also note that atheism does not necessarily imply a materialist worldview, but rather just a belief that nobody is charge, so to speak.
And a brain which was evolved for reproduction, not reason.
It makes more sense to not watch a scary movie and avoid feeling scared. But I enjoy watching them anyway.
Wht would you be scared of death?
Why don't you ocassionally do it then, if it is okay?
...is [in] charge...
>It makes more sense to not watch a scary movie and avoid feeling scared
No it doesn't. Feeling scared is good for you. It teaches you how to react in a dangerous or threatening situation. Much like being tickled makes you vary of things going for your vitals.
>How can anyone be an atheist and not commit suicide?
Because life is enjoyable. Essentially pointless, but enjoyable nonetheless.
no no no. I would commit suicide if I was not a catholic. Because catholics know nothing else can give you hope but God.
Fucking hell, there's a tribe of Indians in the Amazon who are atheists and still live like normal. People die. And that's that.
But there are really two evolutions: the scientific theory of evolution as practiced by working biologists, which is only a theory though admittedly less satisfactory of a theory than initially supposed, and especially in the last 70 years, and then the evolution as seen by the mythopoetic mind, which is certainly a myth.
In the science, Evolution is a theory about changes: in the Myth it is a fact about improvements. Thus a real scientist like Professor J.B.S. Haldane is at pains to point out that popular ideas of Evolution lay a wholly unjustified emphasis on those changes which have rendered creatures (by human standards) ‘better’ or more interesting. He adds, ‘We are therefore inclined to regard progress as the rule in evolution. Actually it is the exception, and for every case of it there are ten of degeneration.’ But the Myth simply expurgates the ten cases of degeneration. In the popular mind the word ‘Evolution’ conjures up a picture of things moving ‘onward and upwards’, and of nothing else whatsoever. And it might have been predicted that it would do so. Already, before science had spoken, the mythical imagination knew the kind of ‘Evolution’ it wanted. It wanted the Keatsian and Wagnerian kind: the gods superseding the Titans, and the young, joyous, careless, amorous Siegfried superseding the care-worn, anxious, treaty-entangled Wotan. If science offers any instances to satisfy that demand, they will be eagerly accepted. If it offers any instances that frustrate it, they will simply be ignored.
The possibility of eternal hellfire is as real to an atheist is is the possibility of you being sent to hell because you don't believe in Allah. It's a non-issue.
There's two sides of nihilism eurocuck
>There's no point to anything so why do anything
and
>There's no point to anything so why be afraid of anything
by lying
>Suicide is painless
>It brings on many changes
>And I can take or leave it if I please
Because chances are higher that things will improve if you stay alive, or simply because I would like to pass on my genes. The reason does not matter, it only matters that I have one. It may seem irrational, but it is only because humans are irrational.
It is logical because you are cutting out the illogical idea that dying at 80 is more right or whatever.
That's a stupid idea too. You die when you die.
yh, the brain has nothing to do with reason, the soul does.
>Too much effort
>Not worth jail
>Not motivation unless I'm violently angry which is unlikely
If humans killled every person who annoyed them we'd have gone extinct
So Catholicism is you safety blanket.
Then why do people with brain damage have such a hard time with it?
Thales had a good answer to this
>If there is no difference between life or death, why not take your own life?
Thakes replied " because it would make no difference"
>If you're going to forget all of life anyway, why go through with it?!
While life may be meaningless without any prescribed objective from a godly entity, we might as well make our own goals.
They include, but are not limited to:
>Colonization of the Universe
>Striving for ultimate knowledge
>Making humanity the genetic pinnacle of creation
Atheism does not necessarily lead to nihilism, since we don't need any of gods intention. We make our own mission.
Enjoyable. How can it be enjoyable to know that you could die tomorrow? And it would not be your choice. Only an arsehole would enjoy themselves and leave others to suffer. If atheism is true one should commit suicide, you're going to forget all of the enjoyable things anyway!
If you lost your faith, you might feel depressed for a time but then you would find some new justification to live.
If the only reason you don't do bad things is fear of punishment from an invisible sky wizard, are you really a good person?
So if we removed your holy book. You would say you are a immoral being? The only thing that prevents you from doing immoral thing is a story about eternal hellfire?
You are weak. Humans existed for millions of years, the latest version being over 200,000 years old.
Your "god" did not exist 4000 years ago.
100%. If I for one second lost my faith I would commit suicide immediately if I was convinced atheism was really true.
>If athiesm is true one should commit suicide
Why? What if I dont want to?
Because they can't remember. Memory is in the brain because animals can also remember.
Why do Christians have children when they are born as fallen beings who may be damned for eternity to hell? Wouldn't that make reproduction a moral evil, si ce there is some non-zero possibility of damning a soul, your own child and flesh and blood, to hell for eternity? Wouldn't it be better to just not create new life?
Same goes for God btw.
How enjoyable can a story be if you know it will end?
hahahahah, coward! He should have proved it.
This.
Weak. Keep spewing your ignorance Sky wizard followers. Just like all the religions before you.
No, they come to the wrong conclusions, even if they can state the premises.
There are all kinds of things that can go wrong in the brain when you damage it.
>I am a Sociopath
>I do not understand other peoples feelings and opinions other than myself.
morals are as simple as the nap:
1. do not cause any physical harm to another human being
2. do not trespass on, steal or damage anyone else's property
3. as long as rules 1 and 2 aren't broken, do whatever you want
You know it's logically possible to be atheist and believe in afterlife, right?
I do not need to be scared of Harry Potter in heaven to smite me to be able to do the right thing and have morals. Infact i would send it right back at you, if the only reason you have morals is because of your religion then you dont truly have moral values in the first place.
I like fishing, and I'm fond of cheese. In the absence of a positive reason to kill myself, I'll stick around for now.
All stories end faggot. ALL OF THEM.
>He thinks suicide is an act of bravery.
Did you learn that in your holy book?
>How can it be enjoyable to know that you could die tomorrow?
So could you senpai, some paki shit could stab you on your way to the groceries later today.
>if atheism is true one should commit suicide
Why?
>100%
That's fair, and it's good you have this safety blanket. I know I'd like having it too. Alas, you can't unswallow the atheism pill.
The universe will end. All goals/progress will vanish. This is like going on a journey only to forget the journey and also go back to square one.
And for thousands of years before the Catholic Reformation towards the individualist perspective and the concept of psychological sacrifice surfaced within society, we were blind and animalistic. It's because of the construction of a good(As defined by truth in good behaviors) through the tools of belief in the near perfect ideal archetype, that human beings were able to construct the most prosperous societies we've ever recorded; which remain peaceful and good as much as is possible so far.
Your materialistic approach to Religion and God is so ignorant and childish it hurts me to see that people still fall for it.
Why exactly would you consider suicide. Theres nothing to experience if you are dead since theres no such thing as heaven or hell. Staying alive is basically the #1 priority.
That's what made me atheist initially.
>Humans are inherently evil and doomed to suffer due to free will
>About 50% of Mankind is going to hell
>Everyone before Jesus went to hell
>Babies are burning in hell 24/7 as we speak
>But have lots of babies anyway
Silly
Atheism is not a belief you dumb fuck
Theism is belief
Atheism is not-belief
Belief in deities of any sort, that is
Also gnostic=certain agnostic=uncertain
Because they enjoy their lives, they just don't think there's something afterwards.