If Jesus and the first Christians were Jews

Why is Christianity so different from Judaism?

>Trinity
>Virgin Birth
>Hell
>Original Sin
>The Messiah as God

Jews don't believe in any of the above.

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(at least) Two different covenants. All the info is in pic related for you brother.

Because Christianity was turned into Communism by Saul/Paul. Before that it was Zionism. Paul was killing them before that then realized he could turn it on Rome and influence the military and slaves of lower castes to challenge the hiearchy and structure of Hellenistic civilization...

>you're all equal goy, even you pig fucker

And how did that turn into Jesus being born from a virgin and being part of a trinity?

>They are different because jews deny Jesus as the Messiah, censorship?
>Jesus had to be born from a virgin, to fulfill the prophesy
>The idea of three being physically one, is debunked in Hebrews 1

Jews don't even practice what they are supposed to either.
Ask Jews about the Shmita. They'll explode and claim God didn't actually mean that.
Lev 25 btw.

Because Jews were rebelling against the plundering of their temple and new taxes and Christianity was a joint effort by the Flavian Roman emperors and Jewish tax collectors to quell them. It also incorporates syncretic elements of paganism because they wanted to attract slaves and military men too. It is a fraudulent book commissioned by the Roman empire to get the rebellious Jews to pay their taxes and justify the 70 destruction of their temple which they did to pay for repairs after Nero's fire in 64.

>yfw the first jews were greeks
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zionism wasn't a thing until 1890 you dumb, fat burger

Show me a good book or good evidence of Christianism being kidnapped by jews to ruin the Romans.

Because Christianity is the true continuation of Old Testament faith, while Judaism is a talmudic fanfiction

>Shmita

Can you please elaborate?

>radical break between man and Nature
>absolute authority of priests
>middlemen between you and God
>spinning webs of nonsense words
>excessive intellectuality
>demonization of the strong
>"other world" behind this one, just trust us
It's Judaism, kids. Fuck that. Be Homeric niggas

Most Jews are reform and conservative and that means we don't follow the Old Testament literally.

It mixed with Greek ideas about the afterlife and mortal impurity, blame Paul.

>Socratic ideas
There was a better Greece before that degenerate showed up

You realize "Paul" is likely a pseudonym for Jewish tax collectors?

So you guys think Christianism was a jewish ruse to destroy the Roman empire? Do you have evidence of it? Really interested in this thing.

Do Jews know about Isaiah 53?

All property and wealth returns to the original owners and debt is forgiven.
It has never once been carried out in the entire history of Israel past or present.
>LGBTfaggot flag
>we jews
Checks out

Judaism was always about protectionism most of the bible was written when the Jews were slaves in Babylon and the whole idea was to create a foundation myth to unite the Canaanites from their captors hegemony.

Who then was Jesus? While it is impossible to answer this question with any certainty because no contemporaneous historian mentioned Jesus, it is possible that he was one of hundreds—perhaps thousands—of obscure, itinerant preachers during the first century who came from the backwoods of the Galilee, wound up on the wrong side of the law, and was summarily executed by the empire. He then would have been one of hundreds of thousands of Jews who were crucified by the Romans during the turbulent first century. For Jews, calling Jesus the messiah and God, Creator of the universe, is foolish and blasphemous.

But doesn’t Isaiah 53, which Christians frequently cite, predict that the messiah would be tortured and killed for the sins of mankind? The answer to this question is simple as well: the messiah is never mentioned in Isaiah 53. Look it up for yourself! As you will see armed with only a Bible and Rabbi Tovia Singer’s two-part audio program and written teachings on this chapter, originally this passage had nothing to do with a future messiah. This chapter was ripped out of context and key words were mistranslated. Prior to the advent of Christianity, there was not a single prediction by anyone that the messiah would be executed for the sins of mankind.

Lol wut no Deuteronomy was written in Babylonian exile, the new testament was written by Jewish tax collectors at the behest of the Roman empire to get ppl to pay their taxes to Rome, not the Jews. Its all about money.

I can't understand this ant-size brain logic.
Christianity and communism are polar opposites.
Communism does NOT tolerate Christianity, communism promotes full authoritarianism, they are nothing alike.

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Also, Christianity is doctrine for the spirit. You can try to make it a model of government all you want, but it's all about your individual relationship with God, on the intimate and personal space of your mind and soul. How are you going to blame that on the doctrine?

>Because Christianity was turned into Communism by Saul/Paul. Before that it was Zionism.
Thanks Chaim

There is no trinity in poodeaism they never accepted chirst, they handed him to the romans to kill him remember?

Any jew who claims to be religious and supports israel is a joke.

They are not allowed to return until christs second coming.

How exactly is a trinity monotheism? At best, henotheism. Christianity is a retrograde syncretism of pagan religious ideas like Mithraism.

Because all of those things necessitate Jesus Christ to exist in order for them to be in canon.

Matthew the disciple was also a tax collector so it wasn't uncommon profession, Paul is evidently a real person as there are written accounts of back and forth letters.
Whoever he was he took advantage of the decentralized way the movement spread to subvert it's actual message.

no it was a way to spread their influence

It's the reason that their are two creation stories in genesis and Moses has the same origin story as Sargon. They had been taught science, history and foundation myths by their captors

Letters don't prove people. You get there was a huge impetus to prove this was all authentic to subsidize the power of the Roman emperor and the Jewish tax collectors of Judea and later the churches themselves. Its a big book and the important parts are that it tells you to pay the Romans like a good boi, that the second temple deserved to be destroyed, and that you should turn the other cheek and fight back, and certainly not pay the Jews who were not employed by Rome. It is is Jewish tax-collecting propaganda and if you fell for it you are probably too dumb to be Jewish anyways.

Christianity is an explicit rejection of Christianity. Christ came to tell the Jews that they were fucking up and Jewing God's laws (just like many prophets before him had been sent to warn), and the killed him. Then Judaism continued down that evil path for another 2000 years. So modern Judaism and Jewish culture is the embodiment of everything Christ wanted to stop. Christianity is based on the fact that Jews are rotten and had to be discarded by God, so now anyone who follows Christ can be saved. Most of Christ's commandments basically amount to: "don't be such a fucking kike".

Much of the evidence of a historical Jesus was clearly fabricated by early Christian scholars who had sole access to translating Greek and Roman documents. Plenty of accounts of Jesus are not attested by other sources until the 3rd or 4th Century because that's when many of the retconning of the narrative occurred once the church got more organized and numerous. Eusebius manipulated documents for example. They used later grammatical constructions to add in accounts of a person named Jesus. The gospels themselves contradict on Jesus's birth and raising.

It's monotheism because the trinity are one and the same thing .... God

I'm guessing you're a muslim as they're the only people I've spoken to who find this hard too comprehend

So why three and not one if God is one? It is henotheistic.

Every 'there was no Jesus' moron does the same thing, points to normal historical ambiguity surrounding classical/ancient individuals as 'evidence' that they were made up as part of some conspiracy. Everything you are saying about Jesus can and has been said about people like Pythagoras. A lack of documentation is not documentation of non-existance.

If you really want the answers. Watch this video.

All Catholics should watch it as well. This man hits the nail on the head 100%

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Pythagoras was not used to claim tax exempt status.

So you confirm that your butthurt has nothing to with historical fact and everything to do with being a reprobate faggot who doesn't want people who aren't walking disease vectors to have a privileged place in society. Tough shit, GRIDS monkey. You will never be normal, you will always be a degenerate that normal people are disgusted with. If Christianity doesn't find its way to becoming strong and uncompromising again then it will just be replaced by Islam. Either way you are damned.

It has 100% to do with the historical fact the Jesus is a fiction of Jewish tax collectors and the Roman Flavian dynasty. Why should watered down Judaism mixed with pagan elements used to collect taxes two thousand years ago have any bearing on today's society?

>If Jesus and the first Christians were Jews
>converted
>born again
they accepted Jesus Christ, they believe, as us christians do , that he died for our sins and resurrected.

It isn't different at all. It's all the same Judaic nonsense.

I can't believe in jews converting into anything, but cockroaches and snakes.
If they really did, in their spirits, thats great!

No it has pagan Mithraism and Sol Invicta worship added. Caesarian sun worship + allows slaves + military mystery pagan cults + watered down civic nat Judaism = Christianity. Don't fall for Roman tax collector propaganda.

Society was working fine when whites were parental figures to other races. If those kids weren't going to be coopted by nigger culture they'd be fine.

Interesting that those who adopt interracial niglets are held to be Christian paragons of virtue against the gay menace like Paul Sullins and his interracial adopted family and anti-gay Christian-funded (((research))).

Christcucks say that the earth is 7000 years old kikes claim they are about 5000 years old tribe. Hmm make jew think.

Judaism is no longer what it was before Christ.
God allowed the temple to be destroyed and genealogies which gave Aaron's progeny were lost, in ad 70 by Titus.
Judaism today is Kabbalistic hogwash.

Seriously, go look up Aleister Crowley's books. He uses Kabbalah and even Jewish (Yiddish) letters and numerology.

Catholicism is the completion of the Jewish religion. Had all of the Jews of Jesus’ time accepted him as the Messiah and entered the Church, there would have continued to be one true religion. But because Jesus of Nazareth was not accepted as the Messiah by the majority of the Jews of his time, a split occurred. Pre-Christian Judaism was the true religion; post-Christian Judaism is an incomplete religion because it lacks recognition of the Messiah it anticipates.

Because it developed over the course of a century in a very specific historical context.

Sophisticated, Greek-ified Jews lived in Alexandria, and had lived there for hundreds of years by the 'time of Jesus'. Because Jews promoted themselves as better than their hosts, some goyim grew interested in their religion and started hanging around synagogues. They were called 'godfearers'. This is the source of the Noachide Covenant for goyim because Jews didn't really want them.

Jewish Messianists were the Jewish redneck fundies by comparison and they lived primarily in Judea (but also lived all over the Roman Empire), and their main desire was a Messiah to free them from the Romans and the occupation that in their mind defiled the Temple.

The Hellenized Jews, who had spent the last couple hundred years 'explaining' how Greek philosophers were really Jews and how Jews were awesome, spun the stories of violent, goyim-slaying Jewish freedom fighter/s coming out of Judea into something more Western and Greek-like. It was essentially Jewish propaganda. The obvious parallel is that of American media Jews shilling for Israel today. The 'godfearer' good goys picked up the ball and ran with it, and as it spread, it took on more and more pagan features.

The Greeks had known Jews for a long time and so had figured out what they were. But the Romans were still unfamiliar in the early first century and believed the Jew jive. But by 70AD after endless rebellion and kikery they had begun to learn. The Jews keep up their shit and Rome finally says fuck it and levels Jerusalem in 135AD.

So the Romans also learned what the Jews were. So what do we do with the popular new "Jewish" religion? Jews became hated by decent Romans. The answer was to keep adding pagan features and to retcon Jesus into an anti-Semite. This is why Mark, the first Gospel, written probably in 70 but maybe earlier, Jesus is a Jewish man but by John, written in 135, Jesus is an anti-Semite.

Christianity was the fulfilling of the promises in the Old Testament. Remember what God said to Abraham? "Through you shall ALL of the nations of the earth be blessed". The Jews had failed in the quest that God gave them. All throughout the Bible, the Jews fall away from God, then find God again, fall away from him, find him, over and over again. The word "Israel" literally means, "Struggle with God".

So when the Messiah of the Old Testament actually came, no one should be surprised that they rejected him.

Of course he's not criticizing Jews as an ethnic group. In Jesus Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek -- Jesus was calling the Pharisees the Synagogue of Satan -- namely, the religious Jews who lived according to the law. Because salvation is not according to your works but according to grace through faith he saved us.