Idolmaster

Just finished The Idolmaster series. Is Cinderella Girls worth watching?

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If you like it, sure. Go for it.

It's not quite as good

No.

All the girls are literally autistic.

Especially Ranko.

No. Don't waste your time with some mediocre shit.

No, it's shit. The girls are better though.

I'd say yes, but be aware that it's very different in many aspects. The original gave every girl almost equal amount of screentime, while CG focuses mostly on the main trio with an occasional episode dedicated to a secondary cast member. So, while the three main girls get a lot of development, the rest of the cast is very uneven. The tone is also very different. CG is much more... I don't wanna say "realistic", but it's a little bit more down to earth. Basically, don't expect anything as over the top as Azusa's or Hibiki's episode. The "Antagonist" is much more compelling in CG, in my opinion. Instead of comically evil Kuroi CG has this cold, calculating, director who thinks that she knows a better way to manage the idols. And final difference is between the agencies. While 765 was almost casual and felt like an old office run by a handful of people, 346 is a frigging corporation with hundreds of employees and a giant castle of a building.

Basically, The Original is very casual, a bit over the top, and gives all girls almost equal amount of screentime. Cinderella girls is more "professional", down to earth, and focuses more on the main trio.

I hope it helps. While I still prefer The Original over CG, I still enjoyed the sequel quite much and you will surely find new idols to love (Ranko and Mika are the best).

It's alright.

No it's fucking pathetic.

Not one single CG matches up to 765.

Adding to this user, the Producer is actually a main character here instead of like in the original where he sometimes relevant and sometimes he's gone or basically becomes a background character. He has a background story, actual personality instead of just a "nice guy", actual role to the team (shown his ideas several times to support his idols) and even a character development. .

I found the second season really lacking, it got too serious especially in Uzuki's arc (which span, what, three episodes? Damn) But the first season is nice I guess. Packed in one it's just a mediocre show.

Also user you got some nice taste.

I thought it was surprisingly well done, considering it has to deal with Cinderella Girls' overly gimmicky characters, and I quite like the producer, but the first series is still better.

It's watchable but not by a lot
Ranko and * are pretty good but the rest is shit.

Nope.

Scamco tried to go with quantity over quality and failed.

Yes. I honestly prefer Cinderella Girls. I think the only thing the 2011 Anime has over it is that each girl gets more screen time and it has better animation. But I prefer the majority of the CG girls and prefer the writing in CG.

Worth watching for the demons alone. Semen demons galore. Elementary school, middle school, high school, college, cakes, it's got it all.

There's some drama that kind of drags the show, but I've rewatched it recently, and it's fun watching the idols interact with each other. If you get deeper into the black hole that is iM@S, you can appreciate the non-main cast members and their cameos too.

I honestly prefer Broducer over P-kun. He's just more competent, likable and confident. But yeah, P-kun is more of a character with not only a certain arc, but also with an implication of having a relationship with The Director, which I frigging loved. God, I'd love to see two of them on a date or something.

Broducer is much more interesting after they gave him more focus in the manga and in the nomakes that aired when the original is re-running. The manga gave him a lot more importance like with AmiMami, Hibiki, and I believe Haruka's chapter also has a bit of his involvement. The nomakes told us how he got to 765pro.

I just want him interacting and having more roles in the idols' development. Mind you, I don't need him to console the idol one on one like in that Yukiho episode. He can do some background ideas shit like TakeP did (Assterisk drama in second season, saving Nana and the other idols in her division, pitching the idea of that Kirari and lolis show). I'm okay with him doing minor but relevant stuff instead of doing his "managing job" off screen and then suddenly saving Haruka and jumping into a hole in the penultimate episode.

I fapped so much to Idolmaster's doujins, I kind of want to watch it now.

>He's just more competent

You're talking about a guy who constantly fucks up scheduling and has to rely on Ritsuko as a backup to cover up.

Cinderella Producer on the other hand did nothing wrong. His paperwork and planning skills are top notch. His problem though is his personality and the girls.

The difference between the two is that Broducer handled seasoned idols. While not successful or popular, they were already operating for a while as idols and have accustomed themselves to most of the professional responsibilities of their job. Thus, they were more patient and accommodating towards him and easier to handle. It also helped that all the girls were well acquainted to each other prior so they had some rapport with each other already. The newbie in that group was actually Broducer. Not to mention he was only responsible for 9 girls.

Meanwhile, Cinderella Producer handled a bunch literal newbies to the idol world. 14 of them. They were girls that were still antsy and green to the idol world. Not to mention that the girls didn't know each other that well yet, so they didn't quite have strong emotional rapports early in the story.

The flaw with the Cinderella Producer was that he was professional. Too Professional. He did the technical aspects of his job perfectly, but he forgot to consider the feelings of his girls. And that led to alot of problems.

This is why I like CG better than 2011. In 2011, all the girl's friendship was a pre-established thing and they all warmed up to Producer practically instantly. You don't really see them grow together that much.

On the other hand, you actually see the Cinderella Project fuck up and be awkward with each other. You see Cinderella Producer slowly try and build up the trust with his idols. And the Cinderella Project idols too, you see them change from a bunch of co-workers who ended up together by circumstance into a bunch of good friends.

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Fuck off back to whatever shithole you came from with your rec thread horseshit.

>The original gave every girl almost equal amount of screentime

This is my favorite meme about the 2011 anime.

I remember how Yukiho got that one awkward YAAAYY scene in episode, Hibiki got shoved off a goddam cliff in her own fucking starring episode and how Takane did nothing of note except eat ramen and be weird.

And ultimately, they were promptly forgotten by the entire series outside the mandatory group appearance scenes every few episode or so.

In related news, Platinum Stars is being torn apart as a half-made grindfest of a game that is a step down from previous games in nearly everything but graphics.

I hope you like DLC, because Scamco is gonna rape your ass with it.

it has Anya and Minami. is it not enough for you?

Watch it. Watch it for Rin! She deserves nothing but your full attention.

You're not getting the full experience unless you do.

solidly not as good unfortunately

idolm@ster is a good anime. Cinderella girls is a pretty good idol anime if you liked the original idolm@ster

the cast just isn't anywhere near as good

>no Platinum Stars with English subtitles

CG has a completely different vibe to the main series. The original felt comfy, almost like a SoL (but crucially maintained an overarching plot to keep things moving forward). CG lacks this and for me this was enough to make CG significantly inferior.

Also, CG has worse girls and worse music.

Excellent analysis, user. The size of 346 was one of the reasons CG didn't feel as comfy or "warm" as the original anime - it just felt too cold, clinical, and big.

>I think the only thing the 2011 Anime has over it is that each girl gets more screen time and it has better animation
>better animation
Really? I thought they were about the same.

1, 2, kiss kiss.

CG Girls are much lewder.

Aside from Nanairo Button and Azusa' "Tonari Ni," CG music is also better.

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>Broducer = 765
>P-kun - 346
What? I thought it was the other way around. My life is a lie!

>nomakes
Wait, which ones are these? I'm not sure if I've watched them or not.

user, half the appeal of any franchise-based doujin is the fact that you already know the characters. Doubly so with Idolmaster for some reason (anybody know why this is?)

>CG Girls are much lewder.
[dubious - discuss]

>This is why I like CG better than 2011. In 2011, all the girl's friendship was a pre-established thing and they all warmed up to Producer practically instantly.
Just one of the many ways that the two anime are so different. Because of this I'd say more people strongly prefer one over the other rather than enjoy 2011 and CG to a similar degree. It really comes down to what you want from an idol anime.

One thing to note is that I felt that the IM@S Movie wasn't too distinct in tone and theme from CG. This in itself may have been one of the reasons that the movie was so divisive.

There is no more erotic and lewd group assembled than this. The group is basically maxes out slut levels, and the girls undoubtedly smell like old man semen all day. Literally walking pornos.

youtu.be/eM69R19qbIo

>I remember how Yukiho got that one awkward YAAAYY scene in episode
Admittedly Yukiho got completely ignored after the first few episodes, but wasn't episode 3 technically her character episode (she was the first to get one). Let's be honest though, Yukiho was never one of the more memorable 765 girls to begin with.

As for Hibiki, her character episode was admittedly awful. Takane got a nice amount of focus though.

>In related news, Platinum Stars is being torn apart as a half-made grindfest of a game that is a step down from previous games in nearly everything but graphics.
Fuck. That's a shame, especially because the graphics really are quite nice compared to the previous games.

>Really? I thought they were about the same.
Maybe. It's been a while since I watched the original series but there seemed to be a lot more QUALITY in CG.

Why would they put the purest CG in this group of sluts.

*distant in tone

>but there seemed to be a lot more QUALITY in CG.
The issue may be that that 2011 had an artstyle that made it far easier to hide QUALITY than CG. However, I will say that the actual movement animations tended to be a bit better in 2011.

>Let's be honest though, Yukiho was never one of the more memorable 765 girls to begin with.
I will kill you and eat the remains.

>Wait, which ones are these? I'm not sure if I've watched them or not.
Sorry it was so long ago I don't know how can I find it now. I remember it was mentioned in CG threads when CG season 1 finished airing and we had back to back general.

Oh god, fuck you for reminding me of that shithole.

All I remember is the first nomake is about Producer's first arrival in 765 and the second is about Producer and Haruka. No translation, only rough, unconfirmed stories from anons. I used my shitty japanese hearing but I'm pretty sure the first episode is actually about that. All the "japanese expert" anons said the nomakes actually gave Producer a lot more focus and character, including a background story about why he became a Producer is because he feels he's not talented enough to be an entertainer. Also a lot more Haruka being cute/clumsy around the Producer in later episodes, I guess they want to make her crush on him more believable.

>no as expected of country grown vegetables
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>No translation, only rough, unconfirmed stories from anons
Ah, that would explain why I haven't come across them before then.

Luckily I avoided the CG generals because I lost interest in CG during season 1. But from what I heard, they were pretty fucking awful.

She has a lovely singing voice though.

The problem with the im@s movie was that it was a glorified ML commercial. And a shitty one at that.

It took screen time that would've been better spent on the 765 girls and did a poor representation of the ML girls.

The end result is something that didn't end well for either groups. The movie would've been better if it just focused on the core 765 instead.

>But from what I heard, they were pretty fucking awful.

The anime, not at all.

The generals, well, sort of.

Head slut turns all girls into sluts. And not like Mika really had that far to go. That's what she's gets for tipping that line and playing with fire with her gyaru shit.

impregnate the moon

should i watch puchi?
is it more scamco bullshit?

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Everything is Scamco bullshit.

You'd be surprised how much of the Japanese things you love fall under the Scamco Holdings Umbrella.

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>Gal Takane.

>The movie would've been better if it just focused on the core 765 instead.
And to make matters worse, the first 30 minutes were great in this regard. It created false expectations for next 90 minutes.

>The generals, well, sort of.
It was the generals I was referring to.

Don't watch puchi. Puchis are shit.

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>tanned Takane
Absolutely haram.

Takane is a refined princess of the era when having tanned skin was an indication that you were a commoner who laboured outdoors.

>Luckily I avoided the CG generals because I lost interest in CG during season 1. But from what I heard, they were pretty fucking awful.
The CG generals were just memes. And you know what's the worst part? They're the exact fucking same. Sometimes you wander into one and see the same post with the same fucking image with same fucking replies made you wonder if you go on a time loop experiencing the same terrible thread all over again.

shoo shoo spooky skeleton

I dropped CG but TakeP x Uzuki OTP.

>see the same post with the same fucking image with same fucking replies made you wonder if you go on a time loop experiencing the same terrible thread all over again
That could be said for a lot of threads on Sup Forums though.

Makoto is not that flat.

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>hobbies: history

Takane is a dork.

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Of course her hobby is history - she's timeless.

>Of course her hobby is history
>she's timeless.

I cringed user. I cringed hard.

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As a big fan of imas long before the 2011 anime cake out, I had no knowledge in CG and actually thought CG had a much better art style and was more enjoyable (the first half anyway). I remember being pretty disappointed with the original after years of wanting a real imas anime.

Namco pro girls are infinitely better though !

>The CG generals were just memes. And you know what's the worst part? They're the exact fucking same. Sometimes you wander into one and see the same post with the same fucking image with same fucking replies made you wonder if you go on a time loop experiencing the same terrible thread all over again.

So basically, every Sup Forums thread ever nowadays.

Kotori was the self-insert, right?

To be fair, generals are the extreme versions of typical Sup Forums threads. Everything is turned up to 11.

>you'll never produce and marry Anya
Just kill me already.

The CG girls feel really bland and one-note.

Here's the list of om@ke. Its in nico though. You can watch the other episodes in this guy's channel.

sp.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm26069464
Every episode is connected to the im@s 2011 series.

There's too many "quirky" ones too.

Thanks user.

Favorite songs ?
Mine are:
Tonari ni...
Smoky thrill
Pon de beach
Megare
My best friend
Start star
Watashi wa idol

I don't know man. Every time I remember about "post pure cute idols" with Sae picture and the fucking exact same reply "Sae talks like a grandma" I feel like my blood boiling all the memories of those shitty threads. Those posts haunt me everytime I enter a CG thread.

Sorry, lately I don't go to Sup Forums that much. I never visited shitholes like Re:Zero threads or other shows with huge fanbases' threads.

>There's too many "quirky" ones too.

that's exactly it.

While the original ones could be boiled down to single character traits, it was much more blatant with the CG lot.

>it's a cat idol
>it's a russian
>it's a giant
>it's a chunni

etc

Masterpiece
Kyun! Vampire Girl
Believe
Music
Watashi wa Idol
Furu Furu Future

And fuck it, I really like Ready! and Change! Fantastic choices for the anime OPs - really got me hyped for every episode.

agent yoru o yuku

How do we feel about short hair Rin?

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Dat soda bubble sound effect in furu furu, feels good

I like (subjectively) CG better, but this is true. Lots of "roster bloat". By comparison 765 feel more like complete characters.

I really like some of the CGs, so it kind of evens out for me.

I fucking love that so much art of Iron Man Iori exists.

Does Miki still have the best doujin?

Yayoi Machine makes me laugh harder than it should.

Miki really owns that song. Nothing can compare to her rendition of it.

youtube.com/watch?v=j5jxtOW6_v0

As far as I know, yes. There haven't been many Idolmaster doujins lately, much less good ones.

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For you, user.

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I guess Yayoi won't be able to support her family any more now that she's paralyzed.

It takes a very specific type of individual to come up with a cross over like that and then actually execute it well.

>boiled down to single character traits

You can do that to pretty much any fictional character.

And you act like it's necessarily a bad thing. Just because a character has one particularly strong quirk doesn't mean that's all they are. They still have other facets and sides to them. In fact, having a strong default quirk is actually quite beneficial as it draws immediate interest to the character. From that point, the strong initial quirk actually makes a great reference point to appreciate the other aspects of the character.

For example, there is this one CG idol who is shown as someone who likes doing street grafitti. And fine, you could say that she is the rebellious street art ghetto idol, and that wouldn't necessarily be incorrect.

But then you learn that despite her free spirited-ness in her art, she's actually quite adamant to proper procedure and the rules. In her unit/group of friends, she's actually the serious member that keeps the other members from going out of line or acting too silly. But she isn't all no fun allowed either. In line with her artsy hobbies, she occasionally does clever pranks to her friends as payback of sorts.

Hell, when initially scouting her to be an idol, she puts her guard up and calls Producer a sleazy bastard who is just trying to hit on women. It's only after explaining himself properly that she promptly apologizes for the rude remark and hears him out.

Contrary to how she may appear, she's more than this "Street Art Idol". And the same goes for the rest of the CGs.

Consider this, while the original cast get a few new games every other year or so at best, CG has been dishing out non-stop content every week since 2011. Said content places the CG idols in all sorts of situations and involves themselves with different people. Even moreso since there are two major CG games out there right now.

Calling the CG idols undeveloped or one note at this point just says ignorance about the person.

The problem with CG is that the majority of these characters aren't even voiced. No matter how well-developed they are, they're reduced to cameos while the main three get the majority of screentime. It would have been more interesting if we got episodes dedicated to each CG, but that would have probably resulted in hundreds of episodes having to be made.

I actually kinda like how they handled "single personality trait" in the anime, considering anime is the casual form of media
to each his own I guess

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>considering anime is the casual form of media
>not taking anime consumption 100% seriously at all times
Filthy casual.

Also, justifying single personality trait characters by saying that anime is a casual form of media kinda shits all over the shows that have multi-dimensional characters.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed CG.

I just felt the majority of the girls were a single trait instead of actually having character depth.

Let's be real here though; while it's a higher proportion than in CG, only about half of the 765 girls have any real depth.

I'm talking about the franchise as a whole. I've seen enough jackasses that keep saying that CG idols are one note and undeveloped characters.

For an adaptation of any media that has a massive cast, it goes without saying that they have to cut down and focus on select people.

For example, all them capeshit movies out there right now aren't necessarily representative of their source material. They only focus on the characters they have selected. It'd be nice if every character had their day on the big screen, but that ain't happening.

At the end of the day, all people will bitch about is:
>BAAAWW the character -I- want isn't getting the spotlight
or
>BAAAW "character x" would've been a better choice than "character y"

You can't really please everyone, but at you can at least put effort and the parameters and cast you've set for yourself. And hey, if that interests you to check out the source material, then even better.

Pic not necessarily related to the entire discussion. Dooky is cute. That's all.