Isn't it a little weird how we debate guns so much

Yet there are little-no discussions about state funded mental health care?

BTW, thanks a lot Reagan for closing down the mental hospitals and cutting funding.

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>BTW, thanks a lot Reagan for closing down the mental hospitals and cutting funding.
The mental hospitals of the 1970s were fucking horrifying, you mong. They were institutes of rape and madness that basically only served to imprison people instead of trying to cure them.
Shutting them down was a liberal cause until Reagan actually did it. Then the liberals flipped sides and started bashing Reagan for it.

Don't reply to shills user

You can't give more power to the psychotherapists or you'll turn into Canada.

You shut your whore mouth. You don't know anything about shot. Learn something you dipshit.

This. The real issue though is that the humane, community-based outpatient mental health centers that were promised haven't really been built.

and no one is talking about it as more and more people struggle with mental illness and addiction...

keep crazies locked up = hardly any crime, streets safe

let the crazies out because muh inhumane conditions = people eating other people's faces, mass killings, degeneracy x 1000

What? They were built then abandoned. Is Everbody hear retarded?

And yes I did that.

>thinking the mental health system benefits society at all other than lining (((big pharma's))) pockets
Only the goodest goy eat bluepills every day

>state funded
by which you mean taxpayer funded. if you want to fund it so bad pay for it yourself you fucking disgusting commie rat

shut up you broke joke demand higher wages

>squeak squeak squeak
fuck off, rat

No, that's stupid. The government shouldn't get in the business of mental health

They should never have been built

You disgusting fascist rat.

>squeek squeek squeek
kill yourself shill rat

Man we can never talk about anything of real substance without people's egos and name calling getting in the way. How can anyone take us seriously?

Riviting argument totally swayed my opinion.
Babbys first day.

>Reagan
That was the leftist shitbags bitching about "muh detaining people" that did that, you dumb fuck.

OK IDIOTS i see we're going to need some historical background because no one reads anything here unless they're taking a quick peek at google to win an argument. here is the real story of why the mental hospitals were shut down:

Many of the psychiatrists involved as practitioners and policy makers in the 1950's and 1960's said in the interviews that heavy responsibility lay on a sometimes neglected aspect of the problem: the overreliance on drugs to do the work of society.

The records show that the politicians were dogged by the image and financial problems posed by the state hospitals and that the scientific and medical establishment sold Congress and the state legislatures a quick fix for a complicated problem that was bought sight unseen.

In California, for example, the number of patients in state mental hospitals reached a peak of 37,500 in 1959 when Edmund G. Brown was Governor, fell to 22,000 when Ronald Reagan attained that office in 1967, and continued to decline under his administration and that of his successor, Edmund G. Brown Jr. The senior Mr. Brown now expresses regret

The belief then was widespread that the same scientific researchers who had conjured up antibiotics and vaccines during the outburst of medical discovery in the 50's and 60's had also developed penicillins to cure psychoses and thus revolutionize the treatment of the mentally ill.

And these leaders were prodded into action by a series of scientific studies in the 1950's purporting to show that mental illness was far more prevalent than had previously been believed.

Finally, there was a growing economic and political liability faced by state legislators. Enormous amounts of tax revenues were being used to support the state mental hospitals, and the institutions themselves were increasingly thought of as ''snake pits'' or facilities that few people wanted.

tldr; it was to push big pharma

>thanks a lot Reagan for closing down the mental hospitals and cutting funding.
That is a meme. The ACLU destroyed involuntary commitment years before Reagan. Reagan was faced with closing empty mental hospitals because the patients checked themselves out.

na dawg i just posted the real reasons. if republicans and the patriarchy hadn't abused involuntary commitment the aclu wouldn't have gone to bat.

Why do you want psychiatrists and big pharma to have more power.

>hey doc I'm feelin a little down lately cus my dog died
>here's some medicine that will fry your brain and get you addicted for life

>hey officer I smoked weed and threatened my parents that I was gonna run away
>mental hospital for you

>hey my 7 year old son is very energetic and hard to control
>haha let's give him meth

Absolutely fucking retarded.

>Why do you want psychiatrists and big pharma to have more power.

I need this because I have more and more insane homeless in my neighborhood every year. They need to be locked up. They are currently under the treatment of the county mental health system here and still live like animals and poop on the street.

>I live in a communist wasteland filled with subhuman slaves and I'm mad that you won't pay to fix it

Kelly Thomas would not have come into contact with the police if his parents had been allowed to commit him. They tried but the courts found that it was in his best interest to remain free.

Just let the cops take care of them. No need to keep the entire population on meds and in mental hospitals because a few drug addict retards acted like drug addict retards.

So where do you live? Want your homeless back?

A lot of people are going to need it considering the non-stop state of emotional suffering that comes with having DRUMPF as your president

>Just let the cops take care of them.
No, it damaged the reputation of that department and was very costly. The cop was a thug trying to frighten and intimidate a insane man who should have never been living on the street.

>No need to keep the entire population on meds
People want their free meds. I've lived down the street from a county mental health clinic for 30 years. Only in the past 10 has the waiting line been out the door for people getting their anti depressants. You take them off it now its going to be bad.

i live in a wealthy town and even we have a homeless problem and vagrants that have to be driven out of the streets but they just come back. it got really bad at one point with them camped out by the freeway exits, they all do drugs and are obviously the mentally ill type who are chronically homeless.

No, I want you to stop allowing your fucking evil politicians to promote policies that turn people into the subhuman mongrel slaves that you are complaining about

>your fucking evil politicians to promote policies that turn people into the subhuman mongrel slaves
So where are you from?

what does communism have to do with mental illness?

>blame Reagan for the closing of mental institutions
>when it was forced by Democrat legislators who cried that institutions were a human rights abuse and that crazy people had the right to die on the streets like Marx intended
Go fuck yourself.

>what does communism have to do with mental illness?
Absolutely everything

na dawg i posted the real reasons. tldr; it was so the republicans and servile scientists could push big pharm

>BTW, thanks a lot Reagan for closing down the mental hospitals and cutting funding.


Reagan didn't close mental hospitals or cut funding. It was a plot by the fucking Democrats ( Tip O'Neil ) to make Reagan look bad.

Communism is itself a mental illness.

>republicans
>big pharm
Will the historical revisionism never cease? Kill yourself you fucking rat.

if blacks would stop shooting and terrorizing everyone there wouldn't be any """mental health""" issues.

Your arguments are false. The historical record shows that the Dems shut down the loony bins because MUH HUMAN RIGHTS. So just sit there and eat the bowl of shit that you've served yourself.

post the record where's the sauce

>if blacks

Because its a vastly more expensive affair with no easy options on either side.

Likewise historical mental hopsitals were some of the most horrific and abusive institutions post WWII to have ever been created.

Theres also the huge issue in dealing with people who lack the ability to function in society but are not crimanal or potato tier.

>mental hopsitals were some of the most horrific and abusive institutions post WWII to have ever been created.
That seems to be relative. There are people that say simply holding them against their will is a horrible violation of human rights. Civil society needs to set a standard for what is acceptable and defend it.

>8 damage control posts by this rad

>things that cost money
health care

>things that don't cost money
restrictions

wow that was hard

>That seems to be relative. here are people that say simply holding them against their will is a horrible violation of human rights.

At the low end you had people drugging and beating mentally ill people with close to zero oversight at the higher end you had sexual abuse (which are only just comming to light) and lobotomies being preformed by nurses with icepicks and hammers (with women being 80% of lobotomy victims).

Not to mention the poor hygiene and food in these places. It was effectively legal torture of the mentally ill or those deemed to be mentally ill

I know a paranoid schizophrenic type. He usually carries a gun on him because of his constant feeling of being persecuted. He even talked about assassinating a political candidate. I don't want to report it to anyone because I have to work around him. At most he will be put in a 72 hour hold at a hospital then released. He may be shot just during contact with police.

I like how Iran pacifies their mental patients with cigarettes.

kill yourself commie rat

Enforcing those restrictions is free?

Just like when the Democrats promised Reagan border security if only he passed amnesty. Never trade with libshits until you get your stuff first.

What has that go to do with abuse in historical and some modern mental asylums going beyond just holding people against their will?

"Mental health" is a scapegoat. Maybe if half the population ate right and exercised like their body was meant to they wouldn't feel like shit all the time.

fucking this
t.medfag

Also chronic dehydration will FUCK you up. Constant head pain and fatigue. But instead of telling you to drink more water what does your drug dealer, I mean doctor, give you? Whatever their cartel leaders, I mean big pharma, can push on you.

there are real mental illnesses and brain disorders. serious illnesses that leave people unable to function normally. many of these people self-medicate with street drugs. what is this natural cures scientology denial of mental health

Its just interesting. Smoking would never be allowed to treat a patient under the current regime. It just shows how the system is focused on the wrong things.

>Whatever their cartel leaders, I mean big pharma, can push on you.
Also walnut shells cure cancer.

The most diagnosed "mental health" problem by x1000000 is "depression." There is a big fucking difference between a brain tumor and some pussy made up disorder. We have been around for 200,000 years just fine. "Mental health" has been here since big pharma (wink wink). I think humans will be just fine. You go ahead and take your artificial drugs for the rest of your life and wonder why you end up with even more "mental illnesses" as you age.

>Americans now want their government to control the minds of their mentally ill

It's almost as if Americans just can't stop fucking themselves because their collective IQ is lower than room temperature.

With my hard earned salary and excessive taxes? No. Socialists, can fuck right off into their degeneracy and complete failure.

Depression is actually classified as a disease of civilization, along with heart disease and many other biological illnesses.

Depression is actually classified as the disease of social failures.

Don't forget to also thank Reagan, for being one of the biggest violators of the 2nd amendment via FOPA.

That shill just got a shekel for your reply...

President Kennedy is the one who signed the legislation that shut down all the mental hospitals.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalisation

>being in denial about depression as a mental illness because then you'd have to admit you have a mental illness

maybe there could ve been reforms, but i thibk it would be much better for them, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY ALL OF US, if crazies were in a mental hospital.

it used to be, we could function as a society, talk to strangers, help people in need, etc.

nowadays, i avoid talking to strangers and people are afraid of helping homelesa due to crazies (including druggy crazies)

desu i long for good days

>being retarded enough to think depression is a real mental illness

It's just like people pushing the healthy at every size shit or transexualism. You are feeding people's delusions so they think its ok.

chemical imbalance is a real thing and a lot of wealthy people on the best diets have had depression which has improved by taking prescription medication

There is state funded mental care. You want early diagnosis so you can label everyone unfit to own guns.

>poor diet, nutritional deficiencies
>fat body
>lack of exercise
>chronic dehydration
>muh chemical imbalances "just" happens
>muh prescription med's side effects:
>increased appetite, weight gain, loss of sexual desire, fatigue, drowsiness, insomnia, agitation, irritability, anxiety, increased risk of suicide
>oh geez, seems like you have "Major depressive disorder"

No it's not psychiatrists are saying to not spread this misinformation. Tell me how you would test for chemical imbalance

The exact causes of mental disorders are unknown, but an explosive growth of research has brought us closer to the answers. We can say that certain inherited dispositions interact with triggering environmental factors. Poverty and stress are well-known to be bad for your health—this is true for mental health and physical health. In fact, the distinction between “mental” illness and “physical” illness can be misleading. Like physical illnesses, mental disorders can have a biological nature. Many physical illnesses can also have a strong emotional component [italics added].2

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

A communist favorite.

>"certain" inherited dispositions
>"triggering" environmental factors
>aka lets talk in the broadest terms possible to keep this gravy train going

how did a thread about state funded mental hospitals devolve into an argument about whether or not depression is a mental illness (spoilers: it is. some people have more severe depression than others. some people's depression can't just be blamed on diet and bad decision making or being ugly. )

As an unmedicated schizophrenic father, having very limited options to mental health care is crippling.

Two options currently (Wisconsin) : Psychotropic therapy, permanent institution. (You lose your 2nd amendment right in both instances)

Yea such a huge leap amirite. I was refuting that depression is a "chemical imbalance"

State funded mental hospitals = BS to take away your rights and weaponize psychiatry (especially over BS non-diseases like depression)

The other dude is an idiot for his chemical imbalances BS. You are just as much of an idiot for your broad as fuck BS definition.

The state is only to fund issues that can be solved. Roadways, buildings, treaties with expirations, tax systems that complete each fiscal year's revenue.

Healthcare never ends. It's an endless stream of demands. The government cannot handle a task that has no end goal.

>faulty mood regulation by the brain, genetic vulnerability

how is this not a 'chemical imbalance'?

the end goal is to provide treatment. you think we're not going to have to keep rebuilding roads and buildings?

...

thats from American Psychiatric Association

An important recent article in Psychiatric Times, by Steve Balt, a psychiatrist at John Muir Behavioral Health in Concord, California and editor of the Carlat Psychiatry Report, says just that. Based on a comprehensive review of the literature, Balt says, “Data appear to confirm 2 stark truths about antidepressants. First, there seem to be no significant differences among them . . . Second, and somewhat surprisingly, antidepressant effectiveness is quite low.”2

There has not been a single study to support the chemical imbalances theory which is why meds dont work. Depression is just the "disease" of losers.

>tfw muh expensive antidepressants are no better than a sugar pill placebo in treating my "chemical imbalances" and "depression"

And you saw no problem with that broad ass BS definition so you are an idiot. Way to appeal to authority though.

If I cite an anti psychiatrist source like Thomas Zsasz it will be instantly dismissed by people usually

That's because depression is a game of marketing, not a disease.

whatever depression is a real disorder. > the "disease" of losers
this is so simplistic. yes people who are losers are prone to being depressed about it and then that depression prevents them from bettering themselves, ad nauseam.
but there are also brilliant, talented, good people who have killed themselves because of depression throughout history.