Seriously why are you fucks so against democratic socialism...

Seriously why are you fucks so against democratic socialism? Obviously I will not get a serious response on these boards, but the democratically socialistic nations like Sweden and Denmark (pic related) have some of the happiest middle class citizens with high standards of living. I simply do not understand why so many of you are against that?

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lucky for you there's a shitload of swedes on here to prove you wrong lol.

This board is an intellectual wasteland, don't expect rational arguments against democratic socialism here.

>Sweden

Social Democracy is not Democratic Socialism you absolute moron. Kill yourself immediately.

Maybe if you didn't come in insulting everyone you may get some discourse.

But nah, you got to be a little faggot about it.

Eat a dick OP

That's social democracy, not demorcatic socialism, and I do hope you understand the distinction.
As to why, this system is unsustainable in the long run - socialist countries worldwide have shown us as much.

I thought that social democracy was the best too until I realized that you cannot enforce laws on super rich individuals. They will either flight their capital to an offshore checking account or they will just hike their prices to accommodate the taxation. You can't fuck with the tycoons when you live in an oiligarchy.

I realize that the economic engine of these countries are capitalist, but they have regulated by heavy socialistic ideas. It is a hybrid system, and it seems to be the best possible model according several measures on quality of life.

They don't understand the distinction because they believed Bernie's lies. He claimed that being a Democratic Socialist meant being for Social Democracy. He was lying, because he knew that revealing his true intentions would have made him even more unelectable than he already was.

These people have the IQs of jellyfish.

>it seems to be the best possible model according several measures on quality of life.
You are also incurably retarded. Self-reported levels of happiness are unreliable because happiness is not a measurable metric.

That exact same thing is happening in the US only far worse.

>some of the happiest middle class citizens

Maybe the ones who enjoy seeing their daughters and sons raped. Otherwise, wasn't Sweden in the top of suicides, for decades? It diluted a bit now, that half of population are predatory muslims.

Nah dude you don't want this level of socialism. There is a huge fucking amount of money going to waste each year due to simple things such as contracting on behalf of a municipal. The sheer incompetence of people working for the nation locally or at a national level. It did not matter that much before, but suprise surprise, taking in a bunch of niggers has the economy on its' knees...

That's why it's better to concentrate on making the masses more productive rather than relying on the super rich.

Some big flaws of democratic socialism
>women and shitskin voters eventually realize they can loot the treasury through by voting for endless gibs
>unearned income enables degenerate lifestyles
>certain industries that are good at manipulating the masses are empowered to the point of becoming a shadow oligarchy (media, banking, education, healthcare)
>faggots and other dangerous social undesirables are given a political voice

t. reads huffington post and takes it seriously

I like the free market part but welfare states kinda blow.

If Sweden were a US state, it would be poorer than Mississippi.

A middle-class citizen pays north of 80% in taxes, has lower housing standards than burgers due to insane construction regulations.

It takes at least 3 weeks to a month to even SEE a doctor unless it's an emergency.

Don't allow that cuck Bernie tell you about Scandinavia.

And that's the easy stuff. Explaining what happens when the welfare state controls a plurality of the GDP is something else...

The end goal of socialism is communism, Lenin himself said that. Also a man willing give up his liberty for a bit of safety [from his "government"] deserves neither liberty or safety. Why are cucks like you so uneducated is a better question?

It only works in homogenous societies with shared culture and values. Since globalists are hell-bent on destroying that it doesn't seem like the idea can earnestly be proven again.

>corporation tax is the only tax that exists

Everyone loves to shit on Sweden but what about Norway? They aren't in the shit EU and they are a white paradise.

Depending on the sample size. If you have very large sample size with the majority saying that they are "happy," then there is probably some truth that they are actually happy. The logistics of a large sample size of people colluding in a study in order to squee statics of the study is pretty impossible. So the only other option left is that those studies do hold some valid truth and people in those countries are happier.

lol, that pic is hilarious. Have you seen the distribution of wealth in the US?

>missing the point this hard

But there are so many tax loop holes in the American system that the effective tax rate is in the single digits for corporations.

> They aren't in the shit EU and they are a white paradise.

While they are marginally better than us in that department, they have shitloads of kebabs too.

Norway was poor relative to Sweden and Denmark until they found oil.

cunt

>lol
newfag, go back to pleddit. I give you credit for getting a response but "hurr durr look at wealth distribution in the US" has nothing to do with OP's question. You also completely ignored the very real fact that socialism always leads to communism. You're not prepared to be on Sup Forums so you should probably just shut the fuck up and lurk moar.

Literally it is robbery in reverse in America. The rich steal from the poor and middle class.

>hehe I know you just exposed me as retarded but actually you're just missing the secret point hidden behind my apparent retardedness xD

I wouldn't go so far as to say that they're a hybrid system.
The whole economy is pretty capitalist, people only tend to call them "socialist" because of disproportionately big social handouts.
Therein lies the problem, though. Since they're still capitalist(and everybody around the globe is, too) they can't exactly print money to hand out, so they have to keep producing something in order to be able to keep the social spending on the same level.
I hope you're familiar with problems that welfare states face, and that's exactly the type of problems Scandinavia is facing right now.

Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy isn't the same thing

Democratic Socialism is what Sweden was in the 60's and 70's, then that shit was toned down because it only works whilst your economy and growth rates are peaking

I support many principles of Social Democracy, such as providing all citizens with healthcare and the ability to reach their potential regardless of how rich their parents are, but it never seems to just stops there. Social programs and the state is expanded further and further to make people dependent on it, it kills the responsibility of the individual.

People here are so fucking stupid, the government takes half their paycheck and then when they give some breadcrumbs back people will get on their knees and clap in gratitude towards the glorious nanny state, disregarding the fact that most of the money that was rightfully theirs have been spent on absolute bullshit

Sample size has nothing to do with it.
Culturally people have different ideas about what it means to be "happy". So cross-nation happiness studies are meaningless.

>It takes at least 3 weeks to a month to even SEE a doctor unless it's an emergency.

An acquaintance was diagnosed with gallbladder cancer and had to wait 2 months before being operated on :^).

Initially it was 3-4 months but they were 'kind' enough to bump it down to 'only' 2 months.

>The rich steal from the poor and middle class.
How do you propose that they do that, exactly?

I disagree. Things like standard of living, government paid college tuition healthcare, freedom are things that are universal to happiness all over the globe. And all can be objectively measured.

>Initially it was 3-4 months but they were 'kind' enough to bump it down to 'only' 2 months.

Defiantly worth 80% of your income in taxes.

By paying dirt wages while the bosses, CEO's, company owners, and shareholders siphon off most of the profit. There is an upwards vacuum of wealth in America.

>standard of living
The USA has a higher average standard of living than Sweden, you retard.
>government paid college tuition healthcare
You mean taxpayer paid. Paying high taxes doesn't make people happy, you retard.
>freedom
Sweden is not a free country.

By all means, go and live in Oslo for a month.

>If persons with two immigrant parents are counted, the total immigrant population has risen from 57,041 in 1970 to 710 465 in 2012, the non-European proportion rose from 20.1% to 46.1%

What you fail to understand, is that most of the countries you mention have a relatively large territory, with a sparse population. AND with a reduced birth rate.

Allowing 500.000-1.000.000 migrants into their country, that would amount to 10% of the population. Seeing those vermin reproductive habits, it only takes 2-3 reproductive cycles for them to become the MAJORITY in 0-20 years age bracket. Faster in fact that 2-3 generations in fact, because the immigration seem to only accelerate.

Democratic socialism can work with high levels of ethnic homogeneity, just like ..... oh yeah, they don't have that anymore.

You are over estimating. Even at the high end of the spectrum Swedes pay no more than 60%.

>profit is exploitation
>market wages are dirt wages

>Democratic socialism can work
How's it working out in Venezuela? That 1000% inflation is FUCKING AWESOME

According to this article Sweden does have a higher quality of life than Americans do. usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

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It is exploitation. The market would dictate that the wage should be higher for the worker. The employer takes away most of the market wage and makes the employees wage artificially low.

A single wage earner who earns SEK 25,000 a month contributes a total of SEK 17,200 in tax. Of this sum, SEK 7,400 is municipal tax and SEK 1,750 pension fee.

However, the largest part is indirect taxes in the form of social security contributions paid by the employer to the state. That part corresponds to SEK 7,860. In addition, the state receives SEK 3 580 in the form of VAT and excise taxes when the employee spends his money.

Especially with the kikes that have double citizenship. They can take loans that writes themselves off. They are making a shitton of money buying goods with loans then waiting until they are debt-free to sell off their goods.

I don't want to have anything to do with the rest of you, financially.

Because I'm a builder and a producer, and am sick and tired of providing for layabouts like yourself who give nothing in return. The more I pay for you, the less I have for my family. I'm not your daddy, or your breadwinner. And don't you dare call me "brother." 3 people have earned that level of devotion, and none of them start a conversation with insults.

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>democratically socialistic nations like Denmark
Denmark is a capitalist nation. Why do you burger mutts always think we are some socialist utopia? We got lower taxes for companies than you do mutt.
Denmark's political system is called a "Representative Democracy".

>Social Democracy
what is social democracy? Genuine curious.

It works only if combined with strict biological/ethnic nationalism.

>The United States ranks No. 18 overall by survey respondents for providing a good quality of life. Its highest ranking is for its job market, where it ranks sixth, between China and Japan. Its lowest ranking came in affordability, where survey responses placed it No. 58.
>Its lowest ranking came in affordability, where survey responses placed it No. 58.
>lowest ranking came in affordability

Before I get to see my salary, the government takes "an additional 31%" of my salary as pay-roll tax.

So if I am a low-income Joe, with a 20K SEK / month job, I pay 29.2-35% in income tax depending on what region I live, lets say it's 30%, then before I get to spend my money, I have paid 12,2K in taxes.

That's before I have spent a single krona on any consumption. If I purchase groceries, I pay a measly 6,25% VAT, if I go to a restaurant, 12,5% vat, on most other things VAT is 25%.

Then there are funny things like gasoline, where you get energy taxes, which you also pay VAT on..

>Sweden is worse than Mississippi
t. never been to Mississippi

Living here is like living life on easy mode. You never really have to really worry about your life, not matter how hard you fuck up. Even if you do, youll likely just end up in pic related, one of our newly built prisons.

>but they have regulated by heavy socialistic ideas
no we have not. Quite the contrary. Economical freedom is high here cunt. It does not even take any start capital to being a new company.

On a pure GDP basis, it is.

Lenin didn't mean that a democratic state with social programs would turn into dictatorship. He meant that dictatorship would turn into stateless egalitarianism. Both theories are propagandistic bullshit.

So you are a business owner that basically said you don't give 1 iota about the lives of your employees that work hard for you and your family? You literally live off the back of their hard work so you don't have to and you are still greedy enough to pay them as little as possible. Can you not see how selfish you are? Do you realize that there are more people and families in this country that want to live a decent life? Wtf dude you are a perfect illustration of what is wrong with capitalism.

anything with "democracy" in the name can suck my dick

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to have a system like the one in the Scandinavian countries you need:
>Homogeneous population
>Singular religion
>Huge trust in the state
>Next to no corruption
>A culture of Law of Jante
>A historical tight community (500 years or more)
>No threats
>Good economy
>Strong nationalist tendencies

Since you cant reach half of those things it makes no sense for America to try and emulate the Scandinavian system.

brainlet

Here he probably would have either died or gone bankrupt.

Exactly.

this

Or both.

Because it only works if you have an openly racist society with closed borders and no immigrants, which isn't what you mean by Democratic socialism

Denmark does not have a minimum wage so our business owners tries to pay as little as humanly possible.
Firing and hiring people in Denmark is extremely easy as well.

Do not look to Scandinavia if you want a system that protects workers rights.

Being afraid of your own beliefs it's what always kills you.

because when you try it with a bunch of shit skins you end up like brazil.

By most other metrics, Mississippi is much, much worse. It's considered one of the poorest, least educated, and least healthy states IIRC

> Relatively small population

Kommer inte ihåg, måste börja spara o sortera allt. Vill minnas att jag först hörde det på podcasten Beyond The Wall Episode 10 på TRS.
Så börja där iaf.

Is this bait?

oh and that as well.

>democratically socialistic nations like Sweden

*Clearly has never been to Sweden.*

Isn't that why you burgers have health insurance? I doubt he would have gone bankrupt though as he is quite well off.

Ska kolla in, tack.

Why should we trade what is right for what makes people happy?

Come live here

>The market would dictate that the wage should be higher for the worker. The employer takes away most of the market wage and makes the employees wage artificially low.
That makes no sense, you retard.

Yes, but the average Mc Donalds worker wage in Denmark hoovers around $20 and hour because of the pro-union agenda. In Denmark the price of a Big Mac is actually cheaper in Denmark than America after you factor in their increased wages. 0:42 youtube.com/watch?v=cbTnu_gUrPc

>what is social democracy? Genuine curious.
capitalist driven system with a sizeable welfare state, basically.

The real world is going to be hard on you. I predict mid level drugs and a string of failed relationships. Heart disease by 40.

Capitalism = Private ownership of the means of production

Socialism = Social/Collective ownership of the means of production

Democratic Socialism = Society in which the Socialist mode of production is followed. Government is run democratically. Socialism is the economic system.

Social Democracy = Fundamentally capitalist society with a large welfare state and high taxation to redistribute wealth. Ex. Scandinavian countries.

Nah my plan is to finish my degree, work for a little bit, then get out of America.

>because of the pro-union agenda
no there is no pro-union agenda. There is actually next to no laws in place. That is just people getting together and demanding better pay or they wont work. And as we historically have had little immigration the companies could not just look as where for the workforce and thus had to increase the wages. Which ofc also results in higher cost for goods.

>In Denmark the price of a Big Mac is actually cheaper in Denmark than America after you factor in their increased wages
bullshit. Those wages are taxed at 40% so its not 20$ its 16$ after minimum tax. A big Mac cost about 5,24$. What is the US minimum wage, tax and price for a big mac?

God you are pathetic. And poor.

Denmark is better, it's true.

But amerimutts need not concern themselves with perfection when they can't even begin to address problems that the all western countries bar them have already dealt with.

Dumb stubbornness is keeping their society from developing.

ah ok. Yeah that is basically Denmark. A capitalist system with a massive state. Not just welfare but just state as a whole.

good info Leaf

>That is just people getting together and demanding better pay or they wont work.

That is the definition of union.

then what is this "pro union agenda" you are talking about? If its just people banding together privately then what on earth is stopping them to do than in America? Laws?