Makes a good point honestly

Makes a good point honestly.

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Not really. You can buy either one.

So is the point that john warned us Sheldon Adelson was involved in the Vegas attack

free guns sound like a pretty cool idea

Stupid fucking argument. I'm buying my guns with my own money without the government purchasing them for me and it is a right given to me by the Constitution. Healthcare is not a right given to me by the Constitution and I shouldn't have to pay for someone to get healthcare just as I'm sure liberals would be screaming out of their ass if the government had a program to give every American a gun. Fuck off, Commie

That is because it literally is.

Did this dumb cunt read a different Constitution than I did? Did she forget to include the amendments?

Was going to reply to OP but you took the words right out of my mouth.

so do americans gets free guns paid by taxpayers?

Enh, I could see government funded healthcare for victims of such things, but more to the point:

Marx was a Satanist spook born of the elites, and stop posting commie swastika flags which represent the Bolshevik murder or millions of Orthodox Christians.

Sage.

Yes she's right. What's your point?

No it doesn't.

Only if you shoot up three different elementary schools a year. You get a bonus shotgun after 10 schools.

I have the right to buy a gun with my own money, if I have any money.
I have the right to buy medical treatment as well.

None of the victims were denied medical treatment.
Even illegal aliens are never denied treatment in emergency rooms. And yet my taxes pay for it.
But tax payers never pay for someone's firearm- the individual pays for it them self.

You dirty right wingers only care about the constitution when it is convenient for you. Let's not pretend like you shit for brains care what the constitution says.

Both are a right
None is free
Having a house is a right, it doesn´t mean the gov. has to gift one to you.

>implying positive rights exist
Hahahaha, that's hilarious.

We're not buying his guns, you dumbcunt.

You have a right to buy medical care. You have a right to buy a gun.

Holy shit, Sup Forums blown the fuck out, literally

This bitch is being disingenuous, if you go to an E.R in the U.S If I recall correctly you will be treated regardless of ability to pay for the treatment received. Additionally it's a right to access and ownership not a right to possession, Paddock wasn't entitled to the weapons anymore than somebody is entitled to healthcare he was entitled to be able to purchase and possess it. Just like healthcare!

Who would of fucking guessed!? Throw yourself from a helicopter you Communist retard.

Ok so let's play that game. So if both are rights do I now get to take your tax money to buy guns for myself? Because you are taking my money to pay for your health care.

So let's be fair, or do you only care about things when you want others to pay for them?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights

The GOP has never offered to buy every American a gun.

are you retarded

I doubt Jewina Boskobitch cares about the rights of unborn children or even born white children. This slut also probably thinks her birth control is a human (female) right.

These leftoids are the kings of false equivalency.

>i am entitled to the labor of others.
>guns are a "right" just because they are in the 2nd amedment of the constitution but healthcare which is never mentioned anywhere in the constitution is a "privilege" when in reality, it's the exact opposite because I put quotes around words.
i want communists and socialists to fuck off.

Sweet where's my obama M4. I'll take one of those phones while we're at it.

>The GOP insists
no
>The Constitution insists
Yes

Holy shit, its like they dont teach the difference between positive and negative rights in grade school anymore. You have the negative right to possess a firearm: the government does not interfere in your possession. Free medical treatment would be a positive right in that society is being forced to provide you with something, not a negative right that guarantees freedom from state interference. American political theory and the Constitution and Bill of Rights are based on negative rights, not positive rights which by their nature infringe on negative rights (your free health care would cone out of my pocket, violating my right to enjoy the fruits of my labor).

I dont get taxed an extra $2,000 a year for not owning a gun

They all have ObamaCare. Checkmate.

One is a negative right and the other is a positive right. Positive rights are inherently authoritarian and should not exist.

The Constitution is what makes America great. Think about this for a second, the oldest government to EVER exist in the history of mankind was the Pandyan Empire which last 1850 years. No government or nation has EVER lasted longer than that, and more modern governments have already fallen. The constitution was written with the realization that governments can become corrupted, they can become dived and they can be defeated. It is based on this principal that the Constitution was written to contractually guarantee Americans basic rights, protected by their government, as well as to give those Americans a means to defend themselves should their government become corrupt, or should the nation be invaded or plagued by terrorism.

America is not even 300 years old and look at how divided we have become, how many wars we've fought in, and enemies we've made. You are deceiving yourself if you expect this nation to last indefinitely and when its all over a nation shouldn't leave its citizens defenseless and unable to protect themselves should the nation fall.

Not really. It is another false equivalence argument.

The thing is, we all have a God given right to defend ourselves from predators & tyrants. Health care? Someone has to provide that service & material, who is going to pay? One is about power the other is about profit......no one has a right to force others to work for less than the market dictates.....

By this logic Glock should give me a gun for free.....

"Privilege" in the sense that I don't want my tax dollars wasted on that garbage.

I hate republishits. Total hypocrites.

>if you go to an E.R in the U.S If I recall correctly you will be treated regardless of ability to pay for the treatment received

Burgerfat here, this is correct. I went to the hospital a few years back; I straight up told them I didn't have the money to pay them, but they did their thing anyway. My (((credit))) is down the tube now, but I already live in a nice house and drive a nice car, so it's not like I need it.

last time I checked no one got denied medical treatment. Having a gun is a right because there are many active interests who want it taken away. No hospital is refusing medical treatment to someone being shot or having a heart attack.

This. Liberals always seem to get confused on the difference between a right and an entitlement. No Republican is arguing against people having the right to get healthcare, we're arguing against the government and taxpayer being obligated to give you healthcare. Huge difference.

Rights are simply the subset of human actions which are "rightful".

Rights cannot place an obligation on others, to provide you things

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lol, leftycuck shills can't even stick around to debate anything, they just run like cucks

The state didn't pay for his guns....

... or did they?

Dumb argument, if you are shot the person who shot you pays your medical bills. And if you don't want to get shot, all you have to do is follow one basic rule:
>Don't be a criminal
There ya go, now you're exempt from 96% of all shootings. Mostly dealers and gangs shooting eachother, or self-defense. If you're not a criminal and you don't attack people, you pretty much have no chance of getting shot. And if you do get shot by a criminal, the criminal pays your medical bills.

>I straight up told them I didn't have the money to pay them
>I already live in a nice house and drive a nice car, so it's not like I need it.

I work hard and buy my own healthcare so I can keep working and pay taxes to pay for other people's healthcare.

Nah, you don't just get free handouts. If you want healthcare get a real job.

Not an argument you Nazi fuck

Yes, and?

No one is asking you to pay for my guns cunt face

stop using waifu for your shitty opinion she is innocent

youtu.be/diz-8FzHOLM?t=20m25s

I'm pretty sure that I didn't pay for his guns
checkmate

You don't need to watch that shit to know the history of the second amendment, just read some fucking history books for fucks sake

He got all those guns for free? Where do I get mine?

Hope all you Nazi fucks know DSA will colonize your shitty little board. Wait until we learn how to use this place better. You're all done and will be forced even further underground where your kind belong.

I'm not a nazi, I'm actually pretty centrist. I strongly believe in the right to bear arms. see my other post In America if you are shot, the person who shot you can be sued for medical expenses, even if they were legally allowed to shoot you
>You can literally break into someones house, get shot, and then sue the guy who shot you
So if your argument is that its our right to get shot but then you have to pay the hospital to take care of you, you are wrong.

Why should healthcare be a right to begin with? And where do draw the line? When someone is 90+ years old and it costs $100K a month to keep them alive, is it really the taxpayers responsibility to spend their money keeping someone elses great grandfather artificially alive or on life support indefinitely? At some point you must draw a line. I don't think you can dip into MY paycheck for my neighbors healthcare. Lets say my neighbor eats at mcdonalds 7 days a week, weighs 300 lbs and shes a chainsmoking alcoholic, and she gives birth to a FAS baby.. we the fuck do I have to pay for her to and her babies healthcare? Especially when she doesn't even have a job and collects welfare checks and WICC which I AM ALSO PAYING FOR.

Is that the type of government you envision? Cuz if so, you can fuck off

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>In America if you are shot, the person who shot you can be sued for medical expenses, even if they were legally allowed to shoot you
Well I didn't know that, sir. My apologies.

fag

So when will the government provide us our free weapons?

Really makes you think.

We have to pay for your care, dumbfucker.

Why?

I'll support government mandated and government funded healthcare if the government also funds and issues automatic weapons to every citizen in the country. Anyone that wants it, and they may have as many as they wish.

FUCK ZLQrumfph!

Not it does not. Shooting someone is not a right. Owning guns and committing mass murder with guns are not the same thing. It's a false equivalency fallacy to end all others.

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if im hurt or sick a federal law protects me from being denied treatment at any hospital due to my financial situation

if im a poorfag and i walk into a gun store trying to leave with a gun and dont plan on paying for it ill end up in handcuffs or a body bag

I was going to reply with this, but I realized he was too far gone to understand common sense or thinking beyond 10 minutes from now.

>500 wounded
>58 dead
Remember in 2015, Paris, the ISIS attack also occurred at a concert. Similar number of wounded/dead, similar tactics, multiple shooters.

While I completely agree with the sentiment that a right to something doesn't mean you get it for free, so people saying they don't have a right to a medical because it's not free are wrong... I do think medical fees from mass shootings should be covered by the government, as I believe they are liable for not providing enough protect, security or by creating a gun free zone, striping people of the right to defend themselves.

this

Why do you reply to bait threads and meme flags you fags? Fucking sage these retard threads.

Source

Slide thread, literally all injured are treated at the ER without having to pay first or anything.

They will have to pay if they didn't have insurance though.

rights of the rich>rights of the poor

or whitey>darky if you want to cut the euphemisms

>Hope all you Nazi fucks know DSA will colonize your shitty little board.

i've been pasting links to this shit hole on tumblr since 09 KEK

BRUSH ONLY THE TEETH YOU WANT TO KEEP OP

Just out of curiosity, what do you think happens to the hours that hospital workers bill for time put in to serve patients when those patients can't/don't pay their bills?

OP is calling for denying someone the right to purchase weapons. Nobody is calling for denying someone the right to purchase healthcare. Furthermore, the emergency room is legally required to treat someone, even if they are uninsured, and there are plenty of people who support both the 2nd amendment and some degree of government-subsidized healthcare.

>Furthermore, the emergency room is legally required to treat someone, even if they are uninsured
The cost gets passed on to everyone else. This isn't a good thing from a financial perspective.

Do you think the victims of the Nevada shooting should be responsible for paying for their medical bills?
Who if not the government should be responsible in these cases?

Where do I get free guns? Can;t believe you dirtbag fags have been withholding this info from me.

Nowadays I would assume it's subsidized by Obamacare, but I couldn't tell you how it worked before it was a thing.

Are you fucking retarded?

Its a right to own firearms. Its not a right to tax others hard earned money to pay for them.

Youre more than free to buy health insurance. We spent years having to pay (a shit ton) out of pocket before my husband moved out of blue collar and landed a job with great benefits.

If you cant afford itand weve been thereyou make deals for lesser cash pay, borrow, talk to charities, get on the hospitals payment plan. It sucks but there are other ways that demanding I pay for mine and yours.

I don't understand why Americans disagree with the notion that healthcare shouldn't bankrupt an individual

>do your best to force someone to be a part of society
>their well-being is irrelevant

>subsidized by Obamacare

That's the government you dipshit.

Also the ACA doesn't subsidize it.

Hospitals are forced to pay for it themselves, increasing payments from people who are insured.

> Assuming all of these 500 people didn't insurance.
> Assuming they wouldn't all get life-saving care anyway -- they would.
> Assuming the arsenal should be legal -- they're making bumpstocks illegal soon.
> Assuming that it's just the GOP for 2nd amendment.
> Assuming that it's just the GOP against medical treatment.
> Assuming anyone said "privilege" and quoting it, when it's much more likely they said "responsibility".
> Assuming this woman even knows what the word 'privilege' or 'right' even means.
> Assuming that this tweet isn't powered by bots.
> Assuming that the country could afford to give everyone healthcare even if everyone agreed with this strawman.
> Assuming that I would take seriously anything said by someone with the name "Desirina".

>Assuming that the country could afford to give everyone healthcare
LOL

You think the richest country in the world can't afford healthcare like every other country in the world?

Cucked, totally cucked.

KIKE PASTA

THE JEW IS AFRAID, OR IT WOULD NOT PASTA!

>Wait until we learn how to use this place better.
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commie nigger faggot
my sides
sage

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Yeah you know what? free health care and guns for all, I am starting to come around.

if they ban guns il just go to home depot and buy all the stuff i need to make a flamethrower

To expand on this, it's also the reason why a procedure's cost might vary wildly. The hospital charges the insurance company what they think they can get away with (e.g. $100 for an aspirin) and then the hospital and the insurance company battle it out until an agreement is reached. The majority of insurance costs are split between this procedure and increasing profits for the insurance company.

>Makes a good point honestly.
If the point is that there is nothing wrong with that, then I agree.

Universal gun ownership when? I demand government pay for my guns.

>... and it is a right given to me by the Constitution
False. It is a natural right given to you by nature and nature's God to defend yourself. The Constitution does not grant this right, it reaffirms it.

How many of those people shot died because they were denied care?
None because laws in place protect you from shit like that. While you may get hit with a massive bill you wont die from lack of care. Tbh most of the victims wont pay a dime for their care because private citizens and possibly the government will create a fund(s) to help pay for their care.

>someone misuses a basic right
>welp must take away right from everyone it's the only way
fucking collective punishment faggots

I prefer the peace flag for shitposting desu. The commie one is a real eyesore

BTFO!
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