What makes Code Geass different from Guilty Crown, Valvrave, Cross Ange...

What makes Code Geass different from Guilty Crown, Valvrave, Cross Ange, Akame ga Kill and other "guilty pleasure" series?

The fanbase is more deluded because they pretend it is different when is not.

Lelouch

It aired during the Golden Age of Sup Forums, back in 2005-2007, and is therefore laden with nostalgia.

Not to say it isn't a fun ride on its own.

too bad it outshined shows like Emma which was a far better series. Otoyomegatari adaptation when?

Lelouch and Taniguchi's direction

It tried to tackle the grayness of morality but then couldn't deliver and stopped trying.

its just better

Cross Ange is better.

Lelouch is very likeable.

>guilty pleasures
CG and VVV are good

The first season was good until Euphie, then it got dumb but still acceptable fun.

Code geass is actually good.

And I haven't seen the other shows you mentioned too

>has not watched GC and VVV

The fuck

>I haven't seen the other shows you mentioned
You did well

C.C.'s ass is a miracle of the universe.

cross ange had one of the most unlikable main characters of all time that never apologized for being said bitch, leloch was likeable and never really fucked up aside from getting his cousin killed and making her a mass murderer

It's actually good, mostly in part because of its great characters. I watched all the other shows you mentioned (Except AgK which I read the manga of) and dropped them within a few episodes.

>Geass
>Guilty Pleasure

It has its flaws like any other series but it has a lot of legitimately well-directed/written parts that severely outweigh the bad. All the other shows you listed are just straight up guilty pleasures because there's hardly anything good about them.

>but it has a lot of legitimately well-directed/written parts that severely outweigh the bad

>never really fucked up
What about abandoning his army to save his sister? And then later allowing said army to turn against him?

She was his half sister

>never really fucked up
He did but he knew how to come back from his failures. And everytime he failed he learnt something new.

The plot itself keep you hooked without needing to add stupid edgy scenes like Re:zero o rapes like valv

Nothing really, it is just that the discussion is fun and the show itself is batshit crazy. Even if it is badly written, it is definitely entertaining.

This, lelouch drives the show. That is why the recent OVA's were shit.

Code geass would be mechashow 999 if it wasn't for lelouch

I definitely can concur here. Other than maybe the scene with the drugs, the show constantly shows off without being too offensive.

All the Geass girls are great.

>without needing to add stupid edgy scenes
>first episode had police riots shooting children
>The Euphie incident

>cross ange had one of the most unlikable main characters of all

If Code Geass aired today Sup Forums would rip it to shreds as much as those shows.

She was pretty unlikeable at the beginning but that was the point of the series. She later became more likeable but never reached Vivian's level of likeability.

>She later became more likeable
kek

Kallen's everything is a miracle.

At least Euphie's incident was relevant to the plot and a huge turning point for Lelouch's character and the story.
Sure, it's edgy. But it's edge that serves a purpose beyond being edgy for the sake of edgy.

She began to do stuff instead of complaining, just that made her more likeable. And in the second half almost all the other girls became assholes so she came up being more likeable than before.

Being the least cuntish doesn't make her not a cunt

CG thread??

posting best girl

Being less unlikeable is the same than being more likeable. It's basic sytax, doofus. Doesn't matter if she is still a cunt at the end of the day.

Code Geass was generally simple enough where there were much fewer contrived "wait why is this happening/what is this character's motivation again?" moments than with shitty anime, yet the characters, themes, and plot were still developed complexly enough to enjoy

The delusion is real

>And I haven't seen the other shows you mentioned too
Me neither. I don't have time to watch shit shows.

I don't consider a character that doesn't stop being a cunt to be in any way "likable."
That's just one of the many failings of the miserable pile of dogshit that was Cross Ange

Hey Mister, you are applying relativistic standards of just how much of a cunt someone is to the baseline that Buddy Number Two does not like cunts.
This won't f(x).

>you are applying relativistic standards
>implying opinions about a cartoon show aren't already relative

You can't read well, can you?

It was actually designed with a sense of purpose and to last more than a cour or two as opposed to the other shows by Aniplex that are just aping what they think is it's formula and then going complete full on bullshit with the plot and characters instead of just kind of fast and loose cause they don't know how to actually make a proper original show.

Also the proper shows to have tried to be the next Code Geass are Guilty Crown then Valvrave, then Aldnoah and now Kabaneri. There'll probably be another one next year by Wit or A-1 or something and it'll probably be absolutely terrible but popular cause of marketing and Sawano music or something but by that point when he's probably done at least 3 more samey soundtracks if people still worship him then they really are just sad.

Oh also Ichiro Okouchi really regressed badly as a writer after Code Geass Season 1 so that could be part of the problem too but really anime doesn't have any prolific screenwriters I'd call particularly competent let alone good anymore.

I love watching old episodes of Code Geass now sometimes to find it has better animation for a 50 episode series than most supposedly big budget 12 episode shows. We'll likely never get a mech show like that again, industry is just way too risk averse and married to light novel crap for ideas now and Code Geass was conceived before that stuff ever really took off.

>but never reached Vivian's level of likeability
>becoming more likeable than the cutest character on the show
There was never any hope of this happening.

>>Oh also Ichiro Okouchi really regressed badly as a writer after Code Geass Season 1
Try after Planetes

It's good.

>Doesn't realize that if something is edgy, it's not necessarily bad, only when it's too over the top

The Euphie incident had a great impact on the narrative and pushed the plot forward and influenced the actions of many characters.

This word has been used on teenagers who try to be edgy so much recently that it has now become a negative term.

Bout time someone realized who best girl was.

C.C. is literally overrated. Kallen is perfect

But the Euphie incident in the very definition of over the top and the circumstances of how it came about is incredibly contrivance. Its the worst moment in the show due to how forced it is and it is edgy as fuck.

>I love watching old episodes of Code Geass now sometimes to find it has better animation for a 50 episode series than most supposedly big budget 12 episode shows.
It wasn't a 50 episode series. And you're an idiot.

>Code Geass - 25 eps
>Code Geass R2 - 25 eps
Not wrong in saying there are 50 eps of CG, but I wouldn't call it a continuous 50 ep series.

R2 is counted as a separate season and came nearly two years after the first

Code Geass is my fave anime. I started watching anime 08 and was mesmerized by it. Watched a lot of shit and forgot about Geass immediately. Freshman year of college I finally remembered it and how much I loved it. Rewatched so often.

Let me enumerate at least why Guilty Crown is shit.

When GC came out, I immediately saw its similarities to CG without having seen the show and was pumped. But as I saw more and more visuals and clips I realized my error.

CG wasn't built on the premise you wanted to fuck C.C. or Kallen, those were just perks. They, including Lelouch, Shirley, Madame President, they were all characters in their own right with motivations and issues.

From the few things I saw about GC, it seemed to be an emo interpretation of CG. The CGI/visual effects were so shit, ESPECIALLY when he pulled the sword out of the hot girl.The sword which is retarded long and impractical to the point of so stupid it's funny.

C.C. had a mouth on her like Holo, GC girl looks like her most important role is staying quiet and being hot for MC.

Lelouch fucked up because he was arrogant. GC MC looks like a failed Shinji successor of which there are many (may not be, haven't seen the show, in any case, my point is he looks like he's supposed to be pure fanservice for insecure young men).

TL;DR: Obvious reasons why just from a simple viewing

right which is why I said
>but I wouldn't call it a continuous 50 ep series.

here's how I see it: I can't say anything bad about CG
the animation is good
the story makes sense
and the characters are likable and consistent

I'm sure some people don't like it for personal reasons, but it's objectively one of the best anime ever made.
It's very hard to find flaws with it, even if it isn't my personal favorite.

GC was compared to CG, Eva, E7, even Fate. And it was inferior to all of them.

Don't forget Ryvius

>Golden Age
>Sup Forums
What?

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I couldn't pinpoint why without studying it, but I cared about the characters in Geass whereas I could not give a fuck about the characters in those other series. I could name one or two. Maybe because they felt more balanced and not purely based on archetypes, while still being distinctive and memorable. There was also a pretty intricate relationship web, but that only helps if your characters are good to begin with. I wanted literally every major character to get a happy ending. Yes, even Ougi.

I don't count Kabaneri in that group, it's more SnK. There weren't crazy plot twists every single episode, it was fairly standard storytelling.

pizza

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user can you tell me why did C.C. loose her memory and how did she Retrieves it ? I just rewatched ep 20 and how did marianne get inside her (geass doesn't work on c.c.)

shit it's been years since I watched it but
isn't her memory loss because of her encounter with Charles?
And getting them back is a result of Marianne possessing her.
How did Marianne get inside her well I'm guessing her Geass wasn't active when she lost her memories.

Her consciousness went into the World of C, which is a plane of existence that Geass is connected to. As a Geass granter/code holder/whatever, C can interact with anyone inside at any time, and presumably go in and out anytime she wants, which is why she comes back when she thinks she's needed. It's not explained thoroughly, a lot of this is conjecture and extrapolation.

r2 threads was the most fun i've ever had on the internet also some of my fondest memories in life

There's nothing to feel guilty about.

Is Code Geass the only anime to use mind control powers as a plot device outside of hentai?

Are you serious? Even other entry level shows like Death Note have that.

Code Geass had a much better protagonist, actual build-up long before things got crazy, less violence comparatively speaking, better ending and better music. Also less EXTREME fanservice+blood in the same scenes.

Kabaneri doesn't have anything in common with Code Geass though. Other than some boys/girls looking pretty, but that's not much of a thing.

It's more like Okouchi is being hired to write CRAAAAZY stuff and that's what he delivering, but without a director that can hold him back like Tomino or Taniguchi (more earlier than later, but still). When he works on completely normal material, stuff works out for him.

To be fair, Code Geass was never just written only by Okouchi

C.C. was shy/embarrassed about Lelouch finding out everything about her, so she retreated inside her shell more or less instinctively. When Marianne came by and asked her why that happened, C.C. was coy and didn't feel like telling her.

Totally different audiences, with few exceptions like myself, so most fans of Emma wouldn't be interest in this and vice versa.

>Code Geass had a much better protagonist

>Was given the power to make anyone obey his command
>was never tempted to use it for sex
>died a virgin

You're inaccurately implying Lelouch died at the end of Code Geass and also ignoring that using brainwashing for sex isn't necessarily the best move outside of a videogame context.

>was never tempted to use it for sex
If I had C.C. I wouldn't use it for that either.

He didn't even have to use it for sex. A number of girls were in love with him. He even had every bitch in the school throwing themselves at him at one point.

>had every bitch creaming over him
>had C2, who was literally made for sex
>implying he ever needed to use it.

If anything it makes him better, because he could've abused it for daily Kallen dickings.

>order someone to have sex with you
>person wakes up naked next to you with no memory of what happened
>you get arrested for rape

What's the next step of your master plan?

You forget he made the entire Britannian army his slaves.

Before moot sacrificed us to the Behelit.

fuck suzaku

Lelouch get's a 10/10 victory on the end.

i would

>You will serve Zero.

WELL WHY DIDN'T HE JUST DO THAT BEFORE?

of course, they are old people. How could they enjoy immature shit like Chode Gay-ass?

Code Geass is incredibly entertaining and fun. it's hammy and ridiculous, but that's the point, you just have to accept it. The characters are great, the plot is engaging, and it has an incredible amount of flair that makes every crazy twist feel as fresh as the last. It's a melodrama, yes, but it was a fucking good melodrama.

I've watched two of the other shows you listed, Guilty Crown and Cross Ange. My experience with Guilty Crown went from being confused, to waiting for it to get good, to despising every second I spent watching that boring shallow mess. Cross Ange I watched while high with my buds, and I thoroughly enjoy laughing at how stupid and edgy it was.

>they are old people

Not necessarily

>How could they enjoy immature shit?

You'd be surprised.

Because it's an extreme measure to be taken in extreme circumstances. If he did that all the time, it'd be hard to keep stuff from backfiring.

S1 was good-like. S2 I think they just made stuff up as the show went on.

most old people I know are elitist scums t b h and always rant to those "good ol' days" which is partly true since culture has been deteriorating for the past years

They had already written the script for all of S2 one month into the broadcast, so they did know more than you think. Doesn't mean they didn't like putting crazy things in though.

Problem with that is nostalgia makes them blind to many ofthe silly things they liked and yet treasure like it was pure gold now.

>just only one month before the broadcast

there's your problem