Marxism

This is a thread for the discussion of marxs critique of capitalism including the falling rate of profit, exploitation and capital accumulation.

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users.wfu.edu/cottrell/eea97.pdf
youtube.com/watch?v=a6UtfG2hEBw
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Oh cool! A fantasy thread.

marx is a fucking retard

i unironically prefer anarchists (real anarchists)

Capitalism leads to the inevitable depletion of the earth's resources and its destruction via pollution and abuse of the environment. This is because the "free market" does not factor into its pricing mechanism external costs (externalities)

>greatest economist who ever lived
>hurrrr hes a fucking retard lol xddd

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What don't you like about his theorys?
Stop.

>greatest economist
how do you measure their success?

>MR. MUH DIALECTICS
>greatest economist who ever lived

>durr people are willing to buy stupid shit with their money that means capitalism is bad!! LOL

highschool tier political commentary, ebin

Facts and figures.

Capitalists are allergic to them.

collapsed countries

in starved people

That's why capitalism needs to be tempered by the rest of traditional liberalism, you silly shit.

>massive misconception about human value and the source of conflict in society
>greatest economist

Read Das Kapital then come back to me. Infinitely more advanced and detailed than the "basic economics" highschool-level clap-trap peddled by free marketeers.

Does anyone want to talk about the labor theory of value?

(((Marx))) yeah nah

>Huge industrial output
>People still starved.
>People still poor.
>Leaders got rich

Who's the capitalist pig again?

volume of output?
volume in what? m^3?
GDP?

>Das Kapital
>unironically calling it by its german name

ew.

>the macro scale was great, this means the fact that the average person's life was shit is irrelevant
If you're looking at society top-down, you already fucked up.

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Marx hated jews

Capitalism everybody

implying i didn't

there is no third thing by the way

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>when workers demand the right to organize

>Larping as a communist in a pathetic attempt to both bait Sup Forumsacks, and D&C leftypol.

I see through you like a pane of glass. Fuck off.

was hast du gegen den originaltitel?
außerdem ist es lediglich eine kritik des kapitalismus und keine vollständige eigene theorie. wie es der untertitel "kritik der politischen ökonomie" deutlich macht

Seize da meens of production amirite guys xDDD

>implying i didn't
>lying on the internet

It's obvious you haven't. The fuck outta here, brainlet.

Even if you don't believe in that argument empirical data shows a strong correlation between labor time and market price:
users.wfu.edu/cottrell/eea97.pdf

How do cuckunists explain this?

so answer my question.
what is the third thing oh wise gommunist?

The Left can't meme...like, at all

>this is an inherently Marxist thing

i asked you about the third thing and you reply with the ltv??????

are you fucking serious?????????

Marx was against gun control.

Marx hated jews.

He is literally Sup Forums: the person

The original title is fine. Its just that most people who have actually read it just refer to it as capital.

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Literally wasn't real communism

reminder

yes the part of the title were it says it is "just" "a critique of political economy" is quite unconvenient for many "marxists"

The average person here has either liberty or fraternity as the highest ideological value. For Marx it was equality.

Then why are you tards so incapable of actually creating real communism?

well i guess you would disagree with each other

Yeah what a fractured and pitiful movement

Duck of you disingenuous cunt. They were Marxist socialists, socialism is supposed to lead to communism.

Let's see the next couple of years, memeflagfag

Because capitalists sabotage it every time, or a cunt like Lenin/Stalin/Mao make themselves dictators and abandon Marxian theory

It worked in Catalonia at least

Fuck this fucking touchscreen

Everything is your work, say
Everything but nothing for yourself
And in the end all you do
is forge your own chains

Man of work, wake up!
And realize your might
Every wheel stands still
if your strong arm demands it

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The alt-right is just as fractured as us. You have the kekistanis, lolbergs, natsocs, fashes, conservashits etc all constantly bickering

We should unite

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You think commies weren't sabotaging capitalist countries? Why can capitalist countries manage foreign sabotage but not communist countries? And why is your ideology so vulnerable to a dictator taking over?

Could it be... just maybe.... maybe your ideology sucks balls..?

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>kekistanis, lolbergs, natsocs, fashes, conservashits
Only two of those are alt-right

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Considering some of his kids died from starvation I wouldn't give much credit to his economic theories ... At least he survived though!!!

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Marx should learn something about capitalism before critiquing it.

>Literally such a poor understanding of how the economy work he can't make money even if his kids lives depend on it

Some might cry foul that these silver-haired dragon lovers only got fifth place, and I know we all love our Khaleesi, but one really cool woman a whole house does not make. Sure, the last remaining member of House Targaryen is powerful, motivated and a snappy dresser if there ever was one, but she comes from a long, long line of incest-loving crazies, the most recent of which literally sold his sister in exchange for an army and whined so much that Drogo killed him just so he’d stop talking. Considering Viserys Targaryen is a whopping 50 percent of the Targaryen family present on the show, it takes all of Daenerys’ coolness to even get House Targaryen to the number five slot. Plus, though I know it’s GoT blasphemy to insult the Mother of Dragons, I think it’s time we admit that she’s kind of an immature teenager who wants to conquer a country she’s never been to because she can. Sometimes I seriously expect her to break into the chorus of “I Want It Now” from “Willy Wonka” when Jorah is explaining why they can’t go to Westeros yet. Still, she has dragons, and she takes what is hers with fire and blood.

Wow, that's actually almost a solid meme.

shit didnt copy what I meant

>communism is not aestheti-

youtube.com/watch?v=a6UtfG2hEBw

what socialism has always meant as a core value was workers being in control of production. Now ask yourself: does the soviet union and its sphere of influence meet that basic definition?

I think you will find that workers weren't in control of anything back then, they were essentially serfs who had to submit to the rule of a higher authority. They called themselves socialist to inherit the moral authority of socialism, while the USA called them socialist for opposite reasons, namely to defame socialism.

>lose the debate so hard that you start babbling nonsense to derail the thread

Why do people who favor capitalism also want authorities instead of all laws being the result of the free market?
Why do people who favor communism also want people to own property?
You are all shit, and neither extreme is the answer to a good society.

theres nothing he contributed to economics that are used nowadays

Che was a white supremacist

I'm a socialist man, and we need to end this shitty meme

Under communism people would still have to live in there.

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This is a debated view even in Marxist circles, plenty of you accept government working for the people owning the means of production as socialism.

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Yes, Marx failed hard at capitalism. That's why he needed a system for losers to win.

Socialism/Communism is a system for losers to win.

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like who? Stalinists?

>slovenian attacking communism

You of all people should know better

yes being a serbian puppet is great

You of all people should kill yourself

Nigger I've literally heard Marxists deviate this. FFS, you've got some here: Honestly you can probably just lump in everyone here using the fucking USSR flag. Plenty of you view this as legit Marxism. What you're trying to do is the equivalent of an ancap saying anyone who isn't an ancap isn't pro-liberty.

>imblying Titoism is real communism
>implying ex-commie states have people who still love the system other than stockholm syndrome autists

Get a load of this guy,maybe he hasn't been eating lately,that's why he cant think clearly.

>Capitalists are just mad jelly that they have food to eat and Commies don't so they destroy the system so people can stop starving to death

Or did you think (((Communism))) is so powerful it has to be stopped before everyone is equally starving? Only Jews could come up with such a moronic way of thinking. Jews suffer from a mental illness where what they choose to believe (be it actual fact or a complete impossibility) is always right and everyone else is wrong. Even when they're shown facts, proof and evidence why they're wrong it's ignored because the person is clearly just an anti-semite.
When I say "facts, proof and evidence" I mean exactly that. Something that can be confirmed, something tangible. Not an indemonstrable model that Jews offer as their "proof".

Marx was the forerunner of Bernie Sanders, he never held a long term job married money then threw that away, never paid his many debts, repeatedly raped his sister-in-law and then abandoned her on the hard streets of London when he got her pregnant. Marx died of liver failure after decades of alcohol abuse

>Therefore
usually you say that after making a logical proposition involving the previous subjects and follow it with another statement with those same subjects

You skip the logical proposition and transform the subjects.

This is liberal retardation in action.

exploitation doesnt exist

>without trial
this couldn't be exploited at all, certainly not by any known forces

This is the entire problem with communism, the only people who support it have absolutely no rational mind. Marx has some quotes that are interesting, but his followers do not seem to be able to place these ideas in the context of reality.

so are there people who will fetishize brutal totalitarianism? Does this change anything about the historical facts? Of course it doesn't.

The fact remains that workers control of production was the core principle of socialism and since one of the first Bolshevik actions was the abolition of the means of worker's control that had formed after the February revolution, it's correct to say that the Soviet union wasn't socialist. In fact, what's happening here is exactly what I described earlier: when the two most powerful propaganda systems of their age (American-based capitalism and Russian totalitarianism) agree about socialism for opposite reasons, it's very hard to break out of that.

>Carl Marx
>Funded by jews

The original controlled opposition.

Going to bed. Bye, retards.