Could Germany have won the war if Hitler didn't waste so many resources on the Holocaust?

Could Germany have won the war if Hitler didn't waste so many resources on the Holocaust?

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No. The war was lost before it even began.

Everything else the same? No they still would have been ground down by the Soviets numbers and American industry.

There were a lot of bad decisions. Funding super weapons instead of simple things that worked in large quantities. Invading Russia before the war with Britain was over.

Alienating the Jewish people was also a blunder, it was necessary early on for political reasons but plenty of German Jews fought in WWI and were hoping to prove their loyalty fighting in for their fatherland again. It would have been an easy out since by the late 30s they had enough political control to sweep anti-Semitism under the rug and focus on fighting communism instead.

Considering the "holocaust" were labor camps that starved only after they lost shipping channels with food imports. Yes they would of lost.

No, America heavy industry too big.

Back to your cage cretin

>holocaust
>waste

>Invading Russia before the war with Britain was over.
Not sure this one was a mistake. Actual invasion of England would have seen US intervention.

Invading Russia ASAP was really necessary, or they'd have run into serious problems later on. Basically the only reason Germany lasted so long was because they hit Russia when they were least prepared for it.

Wait, and you have Germany still rocking bolt action rifles and tanks that are barely better than WW1 shitboxes. Meanwhile Russia properly has the SVT-40 in service, not captured by the hundreds of thousands in warehouses unissued. And they'd have the t34 rolled out by the thousands. Early German tanks couldn't penetrate the t34 at any range, at all. The only reasons they killed them during the invasion was because of poor soviet skill, allowing them to pin them down and take them out with fucking flak guns or artillery. And that's their goddamn light tank, not some heavy tank.

Without that early invasion of Russia they'd have no experience to tell them that their military equipment needed modernization NOW or else they'd be fucking destroyed. And good god if the Soviets could by some miracle get over their military incompetence before Germany invaded (which to be fair would be more impossible than Germany winning), they'd have zerg rushed straight to goddamn Paris and brought the whole continent into the USSR.

possibly and if the ukrainians that welcomed them as heros were allowed into the ranks of the heer

>the Holocaust?

Putting heavy extra amounts of resources into an extermination of your own populace while you're at war?
Yeah, kind of a fucking waste, you can't sustain an ethnic cleansing of that scale while trying to fight a world-spanning war on a dozen different fronts.

The Holocaust didn't even happen, dumbass

It's pretty circular but the only way to prevent a German loss in WW2 would have been to shoot Lenin in 1916. But then without the Soviet Union threat Hitler might not have taken power thereby avoiding the second world war altogether. Hitler should have never moved west, only east, he could have rallied other western powers to defeat the Soviet Union and "won" the war.

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invading england would have never worked, they would have used everything they had, chemical and biological weapons to prevent a beachead. instead, using "liberated peoples of the east" to bolster the lines instead of killing and carting them off would have also helped. luftwaffe could have better targeted strategic targets in europe. germanys surface fleet was also a waste of men and recources, kreigsmarine should have had e boats, uboats, and more aircraft.
i think a decisive drive in the south at the soviet unions oil from the start with the gained manpower from ukrainains and other easterners and kreigsmarine could have knocked out the soviet union and would have put germany in a good spot. blunders at places like dunkirk and stalingrad could have easily been avoided

No. The main reason why Germany lost the war was that they fought against a vastly superior enemy in terms of resources: the British Empire, Soviet Union and US had far larger economies, manpower and all other resources than Germany. Also, Germany couldn't target the US and large parts of the USSR at all, and much of the UK neither because of the lack of air superiority.

There was a lot of mismanagement and waste of resources in Germany, often (but not always) due to dumb decision by high-ranking Nazis like Hitler and Goering. This hindered Germany, but even with the most efficient economy and arms designs they couldn't have won the way the fought the war. Such waste of resources included the mass murders in the camp system, the "wonder weapons", too many experimental programs to little streamlining in production. Note that Germany only switched its economy to "war mode" in 1942/43, the leaders recognized far too late that this was going to be an industrial war.

When Germany broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Barbarossa in June 1941, the war was lost. The massive war on the Eastern Front was destined to end in a disaster with the British Empire still standing strong. As if that wasn't enough, the US massively supplied the UK and USSR with weapons and were de facto already at war with Germany before the German DoW after Pearl Harbor.

In my estimation the only way Germany could have won WW2 is if they accepted the Soviets as members of the Axis - there were actually serious talks, but Hitler wanted to underestimated the USSR and wanted to invade: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Axis_talks

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>known antisemite made an antisemitic statement
really made me think

>Muh holocaust
Didn't even happen. And even if it did it wouldn't have made much of a difference because the communists killed tens of million of people in russia and ukraine/eastern europe (which by the way is never talked about gee i wonder why) and that didnt stop them from annexing half of europe.

ill disagree with the denial, but it was a drop in thr bucket compared to genocides and systematic killings taking place globally

1: they shouldn't have listened to hitler for war strategies. he was a fucking idiot

2: shouldn't have started a war on two fronts

3: shouldn't have underestimated Russia.

4: the holocaust was extremely shitty, but probably wouldn't have effected anything.

5: eventually there would have been a home grown resistance because of all the shaddy SS and secret police shit that went on.

biggest thing was letting hitler have the final say in all military actions. he didn't really a fucking thing when it came to running a war machine. He was a giant, heroine junkied, nonstrategic, idiot. all he had going for him was that he was charismatic. nothing else.

>he didn't really a fucking thing when it came to running a war machine. He was a giant, heroine junkied, nonstrategic, idiot

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