ITT: Great anime people only hate because it's popular

ITT: Great anime people only hate because it's popular

Well there's other reasons to dislike it

but people who say they hate it because it's "overrated" it pretty much translates to that

I agree with everything but SnK, especially in the recent chapters

Is this another cancerous fanbases thread?

I dropped Attack on Titan in the fourth episode, the MC was some kind of psycho who screams and attacks everyone around him, even people who were trying to help him

>attack on titan
Disliked because it's bad.
>gurren lagann and keion
No one hates these.

but I hate moeblobs

I know I like how it becomes part of the plot.

>Well there's other reasons to dislike it
Pretty much.

>Attack on titan
Bad art in the manga at first
Horrible writing
some very weird pacing and reveals (Remember: "Sup I'm the armored Titan and He's the colossal titan"?)
Some character issues.

>Kon
It's harder since most of the criticisms will sound like criticisms of Slice of life as a genre. Probably because Kon is peak SOL
Vapid
Tons of characterization but very little actual character development

>Gurren Lagann
Checkov's guns not fired, Nia being a flawless pretty pretty princess in a setting of dirty yakuza inspired types sticks out like a sore thump, inability to reconcile key themes, wild tonal shifts, the stagnation of Simon's character development post timeskip, and pretty much the entire second half of the show.

>but people who say they hate it because it's "overrated" it pretty much translates to that
I do think hating a show since it is overrated is petty, but I also think it's fair when people getting tired of a show being overhyped. As long as it's not judging a show based on a fanbase, just judging the fanbase.

If not for the final half of Gurren Laggan, I would agree that the hate for it is unwarrated.
God, that half was a complete disappointment that left a bad taste in my mouth. It literally ruined the entire show

Did you get to the flash back where he murders those pedo dudes?

>Gainax

There's still lots of cool shit in the 2nd half and pretty good ending.

>Reddit

What's the point of this post?
To show you're an autist?

You know it's true.

K-On is cute but kinda boring. Hard to stay invested in the characters or story, but I don't have anything against it.

I expected the over-the-top nature of TTGL to be more fun but the plot's pretty generic and besides Kamina, the characters are pretty boring. I guess the action sequences were decent at least.

Attack on Titan seemed interesting at first but went to shit. It just takes itself way too seriously considering its lack of depth. And Eren is an awful MC even by shonen standards.

>NGE isn't a mecha anime. It's an anime that happens to have mechs.

He is right and you know it.

Inb4 someone posts Sword Art Online.

>Attack on titan
That manga went full retard.

>It just takes itself way too seriously considering its lack of depth. And Eren is an awful MC even by shonen standards
This

people hate kon?

>anime
Why stop there?

What did you hate about the second half of gurren lagann

What is good about Attack on Titan, besides the music?

The animation

This. Absolute 10/10.

You clearly didn't understand the point of Nia's character.

>No one hates these.
14 year olds do

The World,The Premis, The Plot,The character design (Those monsters are great c'mon),the action scenes, the character development, the fact all the characters get stuff to do.

>K-on
>hated by anyone

I deny their existence.

Did we watch the same show? Blue bricks, reused footage, bad CGI, etc.

I can agree about TTGL. K-On and AoT are garbage though.

>Attack on titan
>Bad art in the manga at first
>at first

It's still chicken scratching eye rape.

Absolute madmen.

I am indifferent towards AOT after the latest chapter. I hate keion because it was responsible for killing anime and i dont like moe sol. And while gurren lagann was fun, it bored me a little bit in the end (the movies had better pacing imo). Props to gurren lagann for staying as just a 26 episode show, instead of becoming a long and boring franchise.

I don't hate K-On because it's popular, I hate it because it's shit

>I hate keion because it was responsible for killing anime

>bait threads people only reply to because they're controversial

>denying AOT's animation

One of these is not like the others. Can you

Simons character development was completely over second half. He was fully realized; it only "stagnated" because there was no need for more development, if there was it wouldnt have fit at all, and how can you really call it stagnation when you've reached the top?

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Nia stealing focus from more interesting characters,

Stop using lack of character development as criticism. That's retarded. Is this some kind of western writing thing? A story doesn't suddenly become good because it has character development and vice versa.

Character development is never a requirement of a good story.

If SAO ended after Aincrad then maybe.

>Did we watch the same show? Blue bricks, reused footage, bad CGI, etc.
Watched the Blu-ray and didn't have an issue with the animation. Some really good scenes but overall it was definitely above average.

Simon develops more after the timeskip than he does before, that's the whole point of his conflict with Rossiu, to turn him into his own, well-balanced man who rather than just a Kamina clone

I disagree on Nia, since she has huge moments of struggle that she had to push through to pull herself (and Simon) through, not to mention how she is essentially Haruko from FLCL

The rest is more of you not liking the style, wild tonal shifts are extremely common and intentional in Imaishi's style in order to more strikingly juxtapose moments with different feelings, it's fine to not like it but I don't think it's a negative in this context.

I think SnK deserves a little more credit because a lot of the "bad writing" at least in the manga just tends to be unconventional writing that gets labelled as bad, though there's a lot of genuinely bad writing like the latest development in the manga

K-On...yeah you're essentially criticizing the genre, I think lots of characterization without much development (though I'd argue that there's plenty of very simple development, especially for Yu) is fine for a SoL, that's what they're there for

Character development is what makes the audience care about characters. When you have characters that are completely flat, the audience will stop identifying with them and see them as the fictional characters they are.

Well it kinda is. If haruhi and Keion did not exist, then anime would be better.

>story doesn't suddenly become good because it has character development
>Character development is never a requirement of a good story.
Yes they do. In fact, characterztion is a whole lot more important than plot itself.
If you got rid of the plot but not the characters,
you will still get a SoL with comedy, romance, and even drama

But if you create a plot using nothing but bland as shit characters, you will get DC superheroes who are cheesy and awful as hell

>very little actual character development
rewatch it

>Watched the Blu-ray
Okay, there's the difference. I watched it as it aired.

What's with the formatting?

You're a retard, people in that reply chain even specifically differentiated between development and characterization and you still fucking conflated them.

How the fuck do you actually think this is the case, did you miss the entire Rossiu conflict? Simon became Kamina after the first half, in the second he added the level-headed self-control of Rossiu to create a balanced Simon

Characterization is different from development, and a story that doesn't rely on its characters can be good without that

Characters can be static but not flat, you know?

If haruhi didn't exist anime would be dead.

Whatev

Characterization and character development aren't the same. Keions characters are very clearly cut and have their own premises but outside of Yui and Azunyan they don't develop. That doesn't make the characterization of them bad.

>a story that doesn't rely on its characters can be good without that
Yeah, right
Last time I checked, no one remembers Star Wars and LotR for the plot but for well-written characters like Darth Vader, Gandalf, and Gollumn. They were even glorified in memes

Meanwhile, no one remembers Avatar despite being the single highest grossing film ever. Why? because all the characters are blandshit

Rule of thumb: People study leaders for their goals, and attitude more than what they did in life

More like mediocre 6/10 anime people only hate because they're wildly overrated.

I mean for fucks sake, I've read anons saying ttgl is a better show than eva and shit like that.

Thanks for saying what I want to say.
Good characterization usually is enough for me to enjoy a story, and most anime are really good at it.
Some exception would be story like Shinsekai yori.
I like its story and setting, but the characters are pretty meh.

TTGL knew what it wanted to be from the start. In that aspect it is better than Eva. It also had better OST, mechs design and animation than Eva. Also fuck you Keion is no mediocre 6/10 anime. It literally is the only one true 10/10.

>no character development
Oh fuck off, this has to be the stupidest "criticism" I see in general.

I agree in a sense.

The most popular on the market would still sell but Haruhi asked a lot of questions regarding target audience and what people want.

Nearly every great legend has simple and boring characters that are just a single clear goal or ideal personified, yet they persist for centuries

Heavy characterization is great and all, but it isn't a requirement for a great story

Also no one talks about Avatar because it's shit in literally every way except visuals, its characters aren't its only weak point

K-ON is the only good one. If you don't like it it means you don't like moe.

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Popularity is sufficient reason to hate any show. If plebs like it, it means you need to recalibrate your taste.

MC is pretty based. Is established that he is some kind of sociopath, did you miss the entire section when he was hellbent to kill two adult kidnappers?

I never see Star Wars, but isn't Gandalf just a generic wise old man?
(Maybe I'm biased, because I don't even like LotR to begin with.)

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High intensity plot without characters:
Signs, Paranormal Activity, Da Vinci Code, Angels and Demons, Paprica
>not a single meme

Plotless but well-written characters:
300, Deadpool, Matrix, Dragon Ball, and even 50 shades of gray for it's unique awfulness
>hundreds of meme that would last lifespan

He's not generic. He is the founder of the stereotype
Please stop.

Please stop was not meant for you. I misplaced it

>TTGL
Good entry level mecha anime. Iwasaki composed better scores, still great ost though.
>K-On
There's other SoL series I'd rather watch ie. Sora no Woto. Plus I dropped it 11 episodes in.
>AoT
I'd prefer the work it was based off of, MLA. Also they waited too long for a sequel so I don't give a rat's ass about it anymore. Also Sawano is being his bombastic usual self.

They are all fine entry level shows. Though I wouldn't defend any of them.

Evangelion knew what it wanted to be from the get go, it's just not as dumb and predictable as gl so it is harder to see.

The thing with anime like gurren lagann or madoka is that they're a lot more one dimensional and one sided about their message and the way it is exposed, but that doesn't make them more concise. They're just easier.
That also has to do with how trite their message is.

>It also had better OST, mechs design and animation than Eva

pfffffff hahaha. I'll give that gl had a bigger budget on animation and thus yes, more fluid animation.

Mech designs and overall artstlye is way more interesting and polished in eva. Directing and camerawork is also way superior in eva.
I mean no decent team can design a character as retarded looking as Nia.

TTGL has bland and generic everything. Including ost which is why even though eva's ost is not particularly great it is at least more individual than ttgl's.

Oh I'm sorry, ttgl's ost is not really bad, my bad.
It's been a long time.

The hate strengthens our HEART.

The animation quality in Eva besides the last episodes was a lot more consistent. There's lots of character animation and subtle movements while in TTGL besides action scenes you only get flapping mouths. On top of that Eva had by far better shot composition.

A. The K-ons have tons of character development. They grow to understand each other more, and themselves more through that. Go back and rewatch the beginning and end of the series, and see how at the start they're on edge and unsure of how to act around each other, but by the end are confident in themselves and their interactions.
B. Character development isn't a requirement for a good character or a good story. In fact, I'd say it's more of an achievement to create a character who is interesting and realised from the start, rather than creating a blank template and just adding to them until they're interesting and realised.

I can't relate to edgelord protags, I'm not 15 anymore

>NGE isn't a mecha anime. It's an anime that happens to have mechs.

Too bad the Units aren't fucking Mechs at all

Being a good character in Anime equates to good design mostly.

Only autistic people genuinely think Anime is a good medium for character exploration and development. The animation is way too restricted to convey expression effectively, and the dialogue is usually a tool for exposition to the point of being comical.

Not saying that anime as a medium is utterly incapable, just that the grand majority won't bother.

lol, shut the fuck up Digi

>well-written characters
>300
>Dragonball
What.

What?

Dragon Ball had some great characters, many of them became archetypes for current shonen characters

Since when people hate ttgl?

>He is the founder of the stereotype.
Isn't Merlin supposed to be the founder of this?

I can understand hating SoL, and Attack on Titan is really not that great. It's watchable, but has tons of filler, forced drama and relies on "look how brutally that guy died, now zoom on the terrified face of that character"

Mech design in Eva is more iconic because it's Eva. But the designs in TTGL are better made.
>Shot composition in Eva is better
Of course. At that time Anno was a lot better of a director than Imaishi. Also his episode directors were top notch staffers not like the people behind the infamous episode 4 of TTGL.

>non-Sup Forums reaction images
>whatev
>non-Sup Forums examples
>judging things by how many memes they make
Where the fuck did you come from, and why don't you go back there immediately?

No one memes a bad character

How is the beard groing, Conrad?

I'd argue most of those are shit otherwise, but whatever.

You're missing millennia of storytelling where characters were generally flat and uninteresting compared to the story itself.

Shit, even Shakespeare would have like one decent character per story, you can't honestly say you care about anyone besides Hamlet in Hamlet

TTGL expresses emotion with large sweeping movements and actions, it's style is to be more up front and in your face with that, Eva is more subtle but that works better for Eva, both do a great job for what they were going for
Its ability to stylize and exaggerate is exactly why it is a good medium for it, it isn't really restricted in that sense, animation has more room than any medium other than text. You can get a lot more across in animation than in live action
I love DB but the characters aren't exactly great outside their designs
Yes, at least the first that's so influential

Don't lump in K-On with that trash

A mediocore story with great characters (=character development) is watchable.
would have to be one masterpiece of a story to watch with shitty characters

Yeah, I sure fucking remember all that interesting development and strong characterization Leonidas had, right?
No, you retard, he's a simple and unremarkable character, and that one scene became a meme because he shouted something "epic" and easily exploitable while kicking a guy down a well. That's it. And this is why memes are a completely retarded way of arguing quality, and you should kill yourself.

Old wise men existed in every fairytale. Gandalf revolutionized it by setting him in a world where they are classified as an Order of Powerful beings

Wheel has existed since forever but it was only recently that we invented the axel for it