Sanders is eviscerating Cruz

I'm convinced we need higher taxes to fund a Scandinavian welfare-state. I'm tired of the capitalist pigs keeping us down.

Warren/Sanders 2020!

Yeah, lets start with 300,000 of Sander's money.

when does trump come on

This fucking kike

>Da tahp two tents of wan pacent

That's like 700k people. He talks about it like it's an insignificant number (it is in the scope of US population) but everyone of those Americans matter.

Then you are a weak-willed loser

Those people will see their wealth perpetually grow because the growth of the capital is outpacing GDP growth. Wage growth is tied to the latter.

Unless we want to avoid the creation of an idle aristocracy that lives off the returns from their investments that are passed on generation after generation, then we need a tax on capital.

*Gets cucked by Hillary*

Yes, they all matter. But unless you are an anarcho-capitalist, then you know that we have to fund our government somehow. So, where do you think we should get the money from? Is it better to take a dollar from a rich person, or a poor person? Hint: pic related.

Kill yourself, commie.

>Sanders is eviscerating Cruz

Zero people in the world care

>that fucking graph
lol

I work a full time job and it pisses me off I have to give away 25% of my paycheck due to taxes. Unemployed fucks and cucks are the only ones who are calling for socialism. Live by the value you provide, fuck big brother holding your hand and taking your lunchmoney

>facts come up
Bernie: STOP HIM PLZ

What's so funny about it? Enlighten me.

This right here. Maslow's hierarchy of needs demonstrates that we don't need that much money after our basic need are met. So what's the best solution for all Americans? Tax the wealthy and use that money to provide a decent quality of life for ALL Americans.

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>I'm convinced we need higher taxes to fund a Scandinavian welfare-state.

OP is an unemployed faggot-dick-nigger.

If the kikes were gassed most of the 1%would be dead

>Da tahp two tents of wan pacent
i.e. jews

Am not a burger, but a simple merchant passing on his way to Quebec. But, yes. I agree with the Jew. 60% tax for everyone, so a working family man in Montana can pay for some Commifornia skater's hip replacement (because he missed a landing while filming a new Thrasher video).

The entire healthcare industry is rotten from top to bottom from the greedy kikes who run the insurance companies to the drug companies all the way down to the shyster kike doctors who bribe old people with gift certificates to see them so they can charge Medicare through the nose for an obscure expensive procedure they don't need to the niggers and spics clogging emergency rooms because they have a head ache.

Tear it all fucking down.

Brainlets are too afraid to compromise for a government provided healthcare, i.e. VA hospitals for all. They dont want to admit the flaws of trusting government apparatuses

Government planned healthcare cannot be productive enough to make healthcare abundant. To make up for their shortcomings, they tax the people heavily, which exacerbates the problem.

Stupid faggot. Who prints the money? Who sets the monetary policy? Who takes care of the infrastructure you relied on at every point in your day.
You don’t earn money in a vacuum you mongoloid. That money doesn’t even belong to you. Read the fucking bank notes.

>So, where do you think we should get the money from?

Work harder, nigger.

>repeats blog talking points
>forgets nearly every other first world country had single payer and it works.
America prefers its third world and overly expensive solutions.
Enjoy that $2500 bill for ten stitches, ancap fag.

I pay my taxes, so I certainly have a right to bitch about them considering more than half of adults dont. And for sure, I can definitely bitch about the idea of increasing the tax burden, you flaming cockholster

>work harder
I'm not asking literally where am I going to get money from, lol. I'm asking where is the GOVERNMENT going to get its money from. The government doesn't make a profit on its own- its tax funded. So who should we tax? Is it better to take a dollar from a rich person, or a poor person?

That level of denial. Trumps win last November must have been so very very painful.

Fucking false. You’re one of those morons who confuse income tax with all tax, aren’t you?

Lol, sure, meanwhile in any other country pharmaceuticals are cheap as fuck.

Fuck them and their bullshit campaigning, greedy little fucks forcing people to choose between debt and life.

Exactly, debit is a GOOD thing, Bernie is right, of the government borrowed to pay for healthcare and school it would be amazing for the economy

The government already takes like 20% of my paycheck and I get nothing in return

Killeth thine self, commie

Good.
Americans; Forever cucked by the money men and corporations in not understanding class.

Technical brilliance, social blindness.
Temporarily embarrassed millionaires. American dream. You're asleep if you think the game isn't rigged.

obvious troll

>getting nothing in return
>what is every social service you receive.

>why should I work when we can just take the money from rich people XD

This is what you sound like.

>what is every social service forced on you by inept, noncompetitive bureaucracy

FTFY

are we watching the same debate? lmao bernfags are desperate tonight

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What social services?

Roads? I pay tolls for those

well just think. It is better to give to a cause you believe in when you don't have much; if you give 1 dollar and only own 2 dollars, you've made a greater sacrifice than a millionaire who gives one dollar. So in order to maximize the goodness of the nation, the poor should be taxed at a higher rate than the rich, since they'll be giving to something they believe in, government.

>Let the free market decide how our cops operate, hurr durr

Have fun with that.

Both of these gentlemen should kill themselves.

Nothing in return?

>the "muh roads" meme
>you get to live in a literate society as a result of public education, increasing the supply of educated labor and reducing the price of many goods and services and increasing innovation.
>you get to live in a nation protected by a military
>your property rights are defended by the police
>your civil rights are upheld in court
Even if you didn't consent to it these services, there's no way to argue that the government does nothing for you.

*thinking*

Oh common, don't act stupid.

Here are three broad branches:
Major health programs, such as Medicare and Medicaid
Social security
Defense and security

>Aristocracy is bad

The federal government doesn't do shit for me.

Ok, and there’s no way to argue that I should want to pay higher income tax when most of the money already goes towards drone striking sand niggers

... What the fuck do you think the Federal Government does?

drone striking sand niggers who want to kill your wal-mart shopping, free shipping, caramel latte sipping fat ass.

>we need to give even more money to welfare niggers

oh ya im sure thatll work out nicely

Sustains military contractors and health insurance companies.

This debate was basically between:
1. Communist wanting commie revolution and doesn't understand economics in the slightest
2. Capitalist who doesn't really believe in his beliefs and can't explain capitalism or the economy for shit.

Their audience doesn't understand economics. 99% of their questions could be answered by simply stating how economics works. Most people would be in favor of Capitalism but nobody can explain it for jack shit.

This would have been such an easy debate if they just had a capitalist who 1. believed in his views 2. who could actually explain economics

>let the interest-conflicted public sector unions decide de facto that police are unaccountable for their actions
>don't worry about the obvious consequent incentives

And regardless, the police isn't equivalent to "all the social services." Why should I accept the compulsive funding of any so-called services that don't function explicitly to protect liberty and property rights (and especially those that do the opposite)?

That's it? What about public order? Law? You have any idea how big the U.S. is? How many people live here? What regulations are in place to protect you and your kin?

Questioning the spending of the government is a good thing, and a right protected by your very tax dollars.
But fuck you, we're making progress here, don't say it does nothing.

>you get to live in a literate society as a result of public education, increasing the supply of educated labor and reducing the price of many goods and services and increasing innovation.

Hello bullshit

>your property rights are defended by the police

In theory, not in practice.

i really don't understand where this idea of socialism = affordable comes from.

It is very, very obvious that capitalism and free markets create abundance.

It is also very obvious, that socialism creates scarcity and collapse.

Don't be so gullible.

They wouldn’t want to kill us if we stopped blowing up their clay huts

>What regulations are in place to protect you and your kin?

Intentions are irrelevant.

You can never get caught in a lie if you never say anything of substance

Yeah, I'm not about to defend that. Drone-striking sand niggers is retarded. If a politician was proposing a tax cut along with a spending cut to the drone-striking-sand-niggers fund specifically, I would vote for them. But Bernie doesn't want to increase spending on the military, he wants to spend more on education and healthcare. Education's benefits I have already outlined. But think about economic multiplier of healthcare: if everyone has access to health care, then they can be more productive workers, driving down prices. Furthermore, the labor supply can be more liquid: people can leave their jobs without worrying about not being able to afford expensive medicine for themselves or their families (medicine which is often cheaper in other Western countries but which we do not currently import). This will enable increased competition and lower prices, breaking down a major barrier to entrepreneurship. I'd say that's a lot better than drone striking sand niggers.

Aristocracy is terrible and fundamentally un-American.

>what was the Southern societal system pre-civil war?
Literally half of the original US was aristocratic

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just move there you lazy cuck

>Hello bullshit
how tho?

>In theory, not in practice.
You're saying if someone broke through your window and stole your TV or some shit, the police wouldn't try to catch them? The only reason people don't try that shit is because the police exist.

You wrote beautifully yet you've said nothing.

You're implying way too much, every public sector is in conflict, really?
What about the USGS, NHD,

What about the military? They do not effectively protect the United States? Who is currently the most powerful country in the world?
What are you saying? Let McDonalds run our firefighters?

Lets take a look at what your private sector has done in Texas.
Built shit right over a floodplains and amplified the floods.
Lets look at California. They know those hills light on fire, they know. But it only happens every 100 years, so what's the hard? We're losing out on money not putting homes on those hills. OH fuck, they're on fire, lol.

>You're saying if someone broke through your window and stole your TV or some shit, the police wouldn't try to catch them? The only reason people don't try that shit is because the police exist.
Yeah, the police will surely spend thousands of dollars of manpower to chase down the crack addled nigger with no money to arrest. Incarceration also costs money, so in your ideal world, it’s more logical to eventually spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for one stolen tv.

No, it's not. Originally only white males who owned property could vote. Now, does that sound like we're all equal? Or does that sound like a privileged few pulling the strings?

Aristocracy is not fundamentally un-American. The idea of America is that a common man can become one of those privileged few, instead of that class being restricted by birth or title.

Allowing all adults (especially women) to vote was a mistake.

Say who? Says you? Laws keep order, this is a fact. Publicly funded too, I know how much that stings.

>Those people will see their wealth perpetually grow because the growth of the capital is outpacing GDP growth. Wage growth is tied to the latter.

No it's not, or raising GDP would be as simple as raising the minimum wage. Real GDP is based on output, and you can only increase output through capital investment.

>Unless we want to avoid the creation of an idle aristocracy that lives off the returns from their investments that are passed on generation after generation, then we need a tax on capital.

How about the generations of truly idle welfare recipients the "war on poverty" has created? You want more of those idle people. At least an idle rich person uses their money for productive ends, as opposed to the welfare sponges.

>debt is a good thing
Yeah Venezuela, PR, and Greece are the leading economies.

>Oh common, don't be stupid
>Oh common

Yes, actually. You have to think about the incentives. If you don't show that you are willing to chase down someone who steals a TV once, then people will steal more TVs. By developing a reputation for spending lots of resources to catch criminals, people will be hesitant to violate property rights, even if they know that catching them will be costly, since they also know that the government will pay that cost. Thus there are far fewer thieves than there would be in a lawless society, and you don't end up having to spend that much money very often.

Are the conservatives here literally stupid or is it trolling/shilling?
I am conservative and oppose tax hikes and wasteful bureaucracy but straight up some govt is necessary except in fantasy world

Of course, but the issue is people blindly want a statist utopia.

The question is do we want to have an ambitionless society or not.

I love lurking at a bunch of half baked chan philosophers. Stop sleeping in class.

Define progress.
Then explain how we are making it specifically.

You mean the laws enforced by local and state police. As I said, the federal government doesn't do shit but waste time, waste money, and waste lives.

While I actually agree with your general point regarding the need for government funded social services, your point about private companies building on flood plains and hills being indicative of them being evil or something is fucking retarded.

Anyway, something I don't see talked about enough is the difference between federal, state, and local taxes and the relative return on investment taxpayers in different areas get from each. I don't want to give the feds or my retarded state (ca) more money they can piss away but i'd be happy with a modest sales tax increase in my city because we badly need some improved infrastructure.

At least this thread actually pertains to politics, unlike the scores of nigger hate threads or shitty threads asking about race mixing.

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>don't act stupid.

They say you and I are stupid brothers.

I was working on something chippy to any response, but I have to say...fair point. Fair point.

No, if you like the Scandinavian system then go live there. Just watch out and make sure you don’t get raped by mudslime filth

Let states do everything not explicitly stated in the constitution. Lots of conservatives aren't against all government, they're against the federal government overreaching its limitations.

improve

It's not evil, it's greed, and they did.

Do you want another example?
How long did cigarette companies know smoking was bad for you?
How long did they fight the public to hide these facts?
Why do we have lobbyist?

It's not a secret, they don't even bother hiding. Sup Forums talks about the evil jews, but it's not evil. It's simply greed.
It exists because the laws we have in place do not protect us from this, which is the big argument in Medicare.

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Thanks for proving me right.

ITS 2017

Give me one good reason why we should tax the rich 100%?

Which have to comply with Federal law... Do you not see?

The Federal Government does waste money on stupid shit, I wish they'd spend more on education.
I get we lead the world in weaponry, but my high school book was 10 years old, and I was going to the best school in LA county. What the fuck is that.

Also, toll roads, fuck the guy who came up with that.

>but it's not evil. It's simply greed.
Greed is evil

Greed is greed, you can be greedy and not evil. You can commit greed without evil.

>Warren/Sanders 2020!

I am in great pain. Please help me.

Go back to lurking. You're just coming off as an attention whore with zero substantial input.