Why do we think boat refugees are faking it again?

>eritrea is worse than the DPRK
>somalia is in a permanent state of war
>sudan is only more or less genocidal at any given moment
>djibouti is in a simmering but violent border conflict with eritrea
>Libya itself is ofcoruse in a civil war and the next ISIS hotbed, together with afghanistan
>every south saharan tuareg is in a state of war with one africano sub saharan head of state or another

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Faking what? I don't want them here and see no moral or practial argument why we should admit them. I don't give a shit what their grievances are, they're not my people.

people often say that the people on the boat route are just economic migrants, not "real" refugees.

They aren't real refugees, just fucking traitors to their countries, anyways it dolesn't matter, its widely known that niggs cant keep promises or responsabilities

People meaning boomer faggots on Question Time too cowardly or too brainwashed to take a stand on something that actually matters. It's no different than normie Trump supporters who wine "b-b-but we can't have ILLEGAL immigration"

I used to agree with them, but I don't remember why, disillusion maybe. just because some thing are lies doesn't mean all things are lies, but it's llike bezmenov let on that the russians knew: someone who used to believe but is let down and loses faith: that person is the most dangerous adversary you can have. Maybe I was just angry. either way this hit me last night, so now I wanted to ask to see if I've forgotten any relevant sources. I guess you could maybe make the case that Europe isn't the first safe haven they could go to, just the first rich one, which means their right to asylum has been waived.

again, why is this white peoples fault? isnt this a reason for them to get their shit together, in their own country, instead of being fucking insane retarded savages?

Just because their country is shit does not mean that they get to come to our countries and make our countries just as shit as their old countries.

Import the third world become the third world.

>our countries
not only do you never go outdoors, you're also on the wrong fucking continent there burger-kun

You're an idiot white countries belong to white people, not niggers that live in shit hole you retarded faggot.

>this shitshow
cut your losses mate

Why don't you stop ignoring the argument instead of being an autist?

>cut your losses
>inb4 being some autist who screams 'muh racial purity'
where? at what point do we 'cut' the loss?

They should fix their own countries instead spreading the cancer of learned helplessness.

>other countries are shit
So. Fucking. What.

Not my problem. Their problem.

The irony is this is probably a self hating burger shill hiding behind a meme flag

It's not the west's job to take them in. Especially when we have so many problems in our own countries to deal with.

>nigger thinks white people immigrated into indian new york and 'took ther jerbs'

so they shouldn't get to come because being a refugee is not a real thing? or do you have any well sourced, not just racially biased, argument as to why their states in particular don't get to produce refugees?

if its so shit why do they leave their women behind?

I don't need sources for the fact that people in faraway countries are no concern of mine. Go kys, globalist scum.

I don't care either way. Send them to Israel your home.

These people could just stop getting kids om a warzone?

If you think niggers get to move to Europe en masse then you agree also with European colonialism and think they did literally nothing wrong.

Any way you look at it, there's a loophole in your logic since colonialism is morally easier to defend than demographic warfare.

That q can be answered. Each family sends its strongest youth (young adult male) to the west. The youngest strongest men are the ones most likely to survive the arduous trip west. Once he lands in safe Sweden, UK or US or other cucked western country, he can start establishing his residency and paperwork. That done, he can use chain migration, family migration laws to send for the rest of his family,
legally, and they fly in safely from wherever, to us. Lucky us.

I don't even think that most of them are faking it. But where are we supposed to put hundreds of millions who are trying to escape from Africa? Europe is small, Germany is already densely populated, so refugees are stuffed into tiny containers. Last month I've met a family from Syria who were lucky enough to get a cheap appartment, now they are living in 2 rooms with 7 persons and want to go back as soon as possible because they had much better living standards back home.

Becauase poverty and a shitty life are not valid reasons for asylum

so it's one of two things then:

1. they're savages and we don't want their savagery,
2. it isn't our responsibility to help fellow humans where we can

?
>demographic warfare
I think that argument falls apart if the people coming are actually refugees.

I don't care if they are faking it or not. There are at least 60 million people currently displaced who would 'qualify' as refugees in western countries and have a right to seek asylum under the refugee convention. That number is going to climb into the hundreds of millions as the world goes to hell in a hand basket over the next century.

So hands up who wants to let all these people in because they are genuine refugees and not economic migrants?

>I think that argument falls apart if the people coming are actually refugees.
Prove how it falls apart then.

How does turning London into Niggertown fix the problem in Africa where populations are swelled to unsustainable numbers with subhuman animals that already can't take care of themselves?

it's not the kind of thing you prove, but I can tell you my reasoning:

for it to be demographic warfare it has to be consciously aimed with a particular end goal in mind. there has to be someone saying "I am going to wage demographic warfare on europe", and at the same time directing, either directly or by making it the path of least resistance, hordes of people to come to europe. I don't think that genuine refugees are very easy to corall like that, because they are desperate for their lives, rather than calculating. It's possible that there is some party making a particular flight-route more attractive (the zionists are prime suspects) but I have yet to see any conclusive proof of large scale operations, and I would rather believe what they could be doing as an attempt to save themself rather than attack us. Either way: the actual africans would be innocent, and not waging war on us.

>Lets import brown people country problems to our peaceful, and hegemonic societies.

What is the benefit? Who gains?

fuck em

Here is a 2 hour long video of Jews admitting to white genocide aka Demographic warfare.
liveleak.com/view?i=aec_1508296335

>>Libya itself is of course in a civil war and the next ISIS hotbed (again)
ftfy

I'll watch it.

Wether or not they are true refugees, their culture and mentality created the conditions that made their country unlivable. I don't want that mentality exported here.

again, its not our problem they shit the bed where they are from. they need to fix their own country before coming here for GIBZ.

spontaneously: white is not a nation. alterations in melanin concentration is not "destroying a people"

They do.
The issue is we get dragged down a few pegs in the process.
Most liberal realize this. They virtue signal so hard though that they don't care as long as they can feel good about themselves.
The liberal believes themselves to be inferior (liberalism is a political ideology based around inferiority, and victim complexes) They quite literally hate themselves in most instances whether. That's why you seem them doing these weird things that seem like they are punishing themselves. It's because on a psychological level it's what they think they deserve.
Liberalism is quite literally a mental deficiency.

Why are you trying to frame it that way?
If Hitler took all Jewish men and put them in Africa and all Jewish women and put them in Asia so that they mix, is that genocide?

Can you prove those people are running for their lives? Why are they all moving to Calais so they can get into England for the most welfare if so. Wouldn't real refugees stop as soon as they were in a safe country, like Turkey?

>Why are you trying to frame it that way?
the idea deserves to be scrutinized. I think there have been definitions of "nation" used which have included race, but I'm under the impression the bigger part is identifying as a people with a common history, culture and language- that doesn't, technically, have to do with race. I've only watched a minute or so which is why I said "spontaneously".

no, but I only started this thread to find out if there's any real proof that they're not and so far no one has provided any. that's what I'm asking for here, that's what the thread is.

>killing off french genealogical heritage by africanizing it is not genocide bro!
>we're just darkening their melanin a lil bit
jewish as fuck

OK but in reality White people do have their own unique cultures so to say that melanin getting darker is not genocide or whatever you're trying to say doesn't actually make sense in reality.

because that argument stopped working the moment they arrived in the first safe country.

hint: that's not Germany or Sweden.

yea but those cultures don't live and die with a particular concentration of melanin. you can still speak german and be brown, you can still eat kraut and be taught goethe and come up with new socialist ideas for education and have excellent industry and vibrant sociopolitical debate. Like how many generations of fucking brown people down the line are we expecting formerly white lineages to stop speaking their mother tongue?

Is that picture inspired by Robert de neros apartment in heat?

The UN says that you fucking nigger. It was UN fucking report that determined that most of them come under pressure from family and economic benefits, it specifically states they do not come out of desperate need.

What's so utterly wrong with economic migration anyways? I'd rather take economic migrants from say Poland than some former child soldier from a war zone. "They are taking our jobs because they are willing to work for lower wages" is of course an argument, but that's exactly why our businesses want them and lobby the government to invite them. We also "need" a certain influx of migrants to counteract our aging population, and I'd prefer if they come from western countries.

source?

Maybe they should stay in their own messes and clean them the fuck up.
Why is Africa's current bullshit Europe's burden to bear?
The Colonial Era is long past.
The continent needs to take some responsibility and sort it's own shit out.
If they all end up killing and starving each other, then that's on them.

blood and soil was in effect in Germany until very recently when the commie indoctrination started to show the first effects

and on top of that
> you can still speak german and be brown
they don't. they have roaches living there who have been in Germany for 30+ years and still don't speak any German. you cannot assimilate people in such amounts, they'll just form parallel societies

How is that not genocide or Demographic warfare though?
Look at this what you're arguing is not Demographic warfare or white genocide is literally in the United nations genocide conventions
Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

>My parents were refugees
>Stopped at the first safe country (Austria)
>Lived there, worked and paid taxes
>Decided they wanted to try life in the US
>Emigrated legally
>Worked for 20 years
>Paid taxes
>Became functioning members of Society

>Jambala Bambaclot doesn't like life in Africa
>Decided to move to Europe with the flood of Arab Refugees
>Takes gibmedats from Germany
>Not enough Welfare, better walk to Sweden
>Sweden is cold, more gibmedats in the UK
>Have 40 uneducated Somali kids
>Contribute nothing to Society over a span of decades
>Die
>Get mailed back to your home village to be buried in a Union Jack casket, paid for by the NHS

See the difference between the two?

If that's true then genocide itself doesn't matter.
Why do leftists line up to get genetic tests to prove how African or Native American they are?

Even if you slaughtered every nigger on Earth it wouldn't matter because we're all human and melanin doesn't matter :)

>What's so utterly wrong with economic migration anyways?
It becomes a problem when it's not being appropriately controlled. Labor is a good like any other, and if you suddenly get a vast oversupply it will completely fuck up your nation.

Dont bicker with the muh whiteness tards.
Now as a xenophobe I can tell you that to be born into the common ancestral myth that justifies the existence of the nation as a common entity you need to be born into it and have some stake in it.
That always ends up being a bloodline in some way out of necessity but the one drop autism is not needed for that. Someone who is a quarter african and got raised here by parents of whom at least one got raised here should be embedded into the nation far enough..
Anyway.
Dont eat something that is bigger then your head. The birthrates of these countries are too great so that we could swallow their plight. Accumulating a failed societies refugees to the point that assimilation is not possible anymore will raise the next generation with their heritage in mind. This happens to be an instable one dooming us to repeat their problems in the future when you have the lower classes being made of african tribal factions being fed gibs siphoned off an asiatic-native european middleclass in the hopes they might become docile taxpayers some day.
Fuck this, I rather want war down there then up here. A form of neocolonialism in leage with the more capable north africans and the chinese might had been a sensible possiblitiy from day one to carve up most of these sahel states into mostly foreign administrated protectorates rewarded with economic partnership for compliance, cut off from the subsaharan people and the sahara desert as a deadly natural border to be equipped with technical obstacles.

based belgium helping a nigga out
express.co.uk/news/world/824794/migrant-crisis-refugee-Italy-Libya-UN-figures-Mediterranean-boat-crossing

they're looking for a handout and a place that will let them show their asses and hasnt been fucked up yet.

smart post

who gives a fuck..you want your daughters raped because nigs nig in their own countries

One of the most jewish posts on this board right now

Shit sauce, the UN report words it better. But keep in mind that the UNHRC is a platform or proxy for pushing muh diversity on Europe. Non-EU members of the UN don't receive any pressure to be the humanitarian hero, not even it's wealthiest members. So if even they say that a vast majority or benefits leeches, there is zero reason to not close the gates.

We simply can not maintain or support these literally infinite supplies of people "looking for a better life".

We can not even maintain it financially. Not to mention the immense pressure on our societies in terms of safety and quality of life. And on top of it all IT'S NOT OUR MORAL OBLIGATION.

good then you agree with #OpenBordersForIsrael

my argument is basically that the africans won't become german, it's that they don't have the power to make the germans less german. living alongside someone, and occasionally crosspollinating voluntarily, is not genocide.

I believe firmly that there are ENORMOUS problems with integration in europe, and that we are at a point where we risk losing them as a whole, for several generations to come, unless we can somehow get the second and third generation in with the indiginous population. right now we're not realistically offering them a way to make a decent living, and we're not able to protect them. I wouldn't blame them if they didn't love us with how things are going. Hopefully we either get better at getting them jobs, or they decide to go home disillusioned. but more likely they become generational mafiosos living on coke deals, fucking us over for decades to come.

it's amazing how sure of themself our politicians have been while really attempting something completely new. we've got a fated election next year, but really I don't think anyone knows what to do. me I hope we crush old soft lefty policy, let the market rule the arts, take the money and put it into the pole, and deregulate our labour so you can actually fire people. that might create motion in the workforce, which is generally static, and in that motion maybe we can sweep up one or two syrians. that and we need to stop accepting more.

>is basically ***NOT*** that the africans
fucked up

>they don't have the power to make the germans less german
their murder rates are sky high

Mixing does not simply alter slin colour. Race is defined by differences down to our very bones. Down to the depths of our brains. Other racially influenced differences include silly things like sense of smell, speed of puberty, hair growth and hair type. Sensitivity to alergies or specific diseases. Eye sight. A tendency to favour the now over the near future and vice versa, impulse control.

Implying it's just skin deep is pure dishonesty. The main issue with multiculturalism isnt mixing, because the percentages of our populationd that actually intermix are neglectable. A bigger problem is the voluntary segregation that ensures that our cultures are quite literally replaced. In certain towns and cities populations of migrants cluster, often based on meta culture or even ethnicity, creating entire areas where the dominant culture is foreign.

If migrants actually mixed, it would be a sign of assimilation. What we have is much worse.

>into the pole
fuck am I doin here lads
into the POLICE

>why do we think boat refugees are faking it again?

p.10
esiweb.org/pdf/ESI - The refugee crisis through statistics - 30 Jan 2017.pdf

those with destination EU on their minds seek processing of an asylum claim (and thus settlement opportunity) where gibs are best.

>A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war, or violence. A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. Most likely, they cannot return home or are afraid to do so. War and ethnic, tribal and religious violence are leading causes of refugees fleeing their countries.
unrefugees.org/what-is-a-refugee/

forced to flee # forced to flee towards gibs

here is the leftards new conundrum: 'helping' economic migrants pretending to be refugees makes them feel good however the cost of dealing with these economic migrants in Europe is very high. that impacts budgets massively, which impacts those genuinely fleeing persecution. so 'helping' these supposed refugees ultimately fucks genuine refugees.

Well they say that because it's true. Most migrants (atleast a couple of years ago) were from Afghanistan, Iraq and Eritrea. Out of those places only Eritrea's situation generally qualified a person fleeing the country as a refugee. Ofc, if a person was fleeing the other countries not due to the wars but because of, for example, religious persecution then they would also be qualified as a refugee if they hadn't taken part in any actions that would've excluded them from refugee status. For instance, a former torturer in the employ of Saddam, can't be considered a refugee even if he fled to Sweden due to political persecution of former Baath-party members.

See Utlänningslagen chapter 4:
riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/svensk-forfattningssamling/utlanningslag-2005716_sfs-2005-716

They are African, they are violent, their countries are violent who cares if they are faking it or not they need not be anywhere but violent lands suited to violent people. We have too many rape happy violent people we don't need more. WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT VIOLENT RAPISTS UNFIT FOR HUMAN SOCIETY ??

>they have roaches living there who have been in Germany for 30+ years and still don't speak any German

Very true, but their kids and grandkids who were born here speak German. But you're right about parallel societies, they live in ghettos where they have their own shops and businesses, tea houses etc, so there's zero incentive to integrate. We have a district in our city which has such a high quota of Turks and Arabs that you barely see any shop signs in German anymore. Last time I've passed through there and noticed that even most of those huge ass wall advertising panels are targeting them; clothes, turkish movies and music and so on - which of course makes sense but it's still an eerie feeling.

>Implying it's just skin deep is pure dishonesty.
yea but none of those differences would make it impossible to appreciate or understand any form of culture. at least I think making that claim is unscientific. so, in so far as the ability to have a culture and be a part of a people: they are superficial differences.

>A bigger problem is the voluntary segregation that ensures that our cultures are quite literally replaced.
yea politically this is freaky as hell. I fully expect a democratic party of sharia to take shape within 15 years tops. but that still isn't any kind of genocide.

doesnt matter. even if immigration was the solution to those problems and even if we were responsible for solving them, we still cant take in everyone from those shitholes

>Burgers spouting the label 'white' as if it meant anything to europeans.

>but that still isn't any kind of genocide.

>implementing social engineering policies that lead to the steady replacement of the natives with foreigners are not genocide

genocide isn't just dragging everyone belonging to some minority into the streets and shooting them in the head.
though that will be where it eventually leads Europe if nothing is done about the current situation, too. just look at how minorities are treated in the countries those people came from, and then think about what will happen if they ever start outnumbering the natives.

I'd argue that it's the USA:s job to fix the messes they've done. You can't just have the fun parts of being an empire. If you wanna act like an imperial power you also need to take the mandatory responsibilities. Don't go to the party if you won't tidy up afterwards.

>You can't just have the fun parts of being an empire.
They kinda can. That's the only reason anyone even wants to become an empire, because it means you can just force your will onto others and have them suffer the consequences of your actions.

It just means that eventually people get fed up with your shit.

Culture is influenced by genetics. Remove the Europeans and European culture is no more. We already don't manage to integrate our migrants. We still haven't truly integrated the migrants we invited 60 years ago. Yet we decide to pile up more migrants at an alarming rate while making it taboo to request ANY effort from migrants, while making it a 'human right' for them to demand our cultures adapt to theirs instead. Multiculturalism is failing. We are choosing to be multicultural as a society that has lost it's pride and respect for it's own culture with people that still passionately cling on to theirs. That, coupled with our demographics, will ensure European civilization will come to end.

>I fully expect a democratic party of sharia-
The Netherlands has a political party that is openly a puppet for Erdogan's party in it's parliament. In both Belgium and Germany "Muslim parties" are set to partake in the 2019/2020 elections. This isn't a decade and a half away anymore.

Genocide is the effort to destroy a people in whole or in part through a number of ways.

The EU parliament discussing that they will force diversity on us whether we want it or not fits that description. Their policies ensuring native families have too little economic security to start a family while giving migrant families the right to 20k in benefits and polygamy fit that. The constant crackdown on dissenting opinions fits that. The constant focus on why white people cant have kids but we MUST suplement our birth rates with foreigners fits that.

When you travel thorugh multiple countries without war just for better welfare benefits from Germoney, you're not really running a way from war anymore.

"white" is synonymous with "european"
maybe not in sweden where you neuter yourselves to make room for somalians

If you want to counteract an aging population, there's a simple solution: HAVE MORE KIDS

I was obviously talking from a moral standpoint.

Well obviously it needs to be controlled, but that doesn't change the fact that _some_ immigration is desirable, at least for countries like Germany. Our population is aging, birth rates are low, on top of that kids simply don't want to work certain jobs anymore. One good example are geriatric nurses, especially with a growing amount of geezers. This job sector has been taken over by nurses from Russia, Poland or other Eastern countries for good reasons. Of course it's not ideal, most of them don't speak German, but they are filling an actual demand for this kind of labor.

which is honestly the biggest problem with Western society imo. it worries so much about what might be the morally superior choice that it constantly cucks itself out of its own best interest just to have some fictional moral high ground no one but them even gives a shit about

just yesterday when I listened to the radio on the way back from wagecucking there was an interview with some guy who basically said that all evolutionary and social science from more than maybe one or two decades ago should be completely discarded because those scientists did not yet have the right moral framework to ensure that their discoveries aren't causing any harm.

>scientist a century ago moves to Africa
>sees nigs nigging out
>writes about it
>later on discarded by some shitter who has never even set a foot out of his white suburb based on "muh feelings"

But it's not you meme-faggot. White is a meaningless label used to bunch together a vast variety of different cultures and ethnicities with little connection to each other while simultaneously excluding other ethnicities for arbitrary reasons based on the current feeling and trends of the one using the label.

>niggers
>stop having kids
tuurlijk vriend

Some migration is only desirable in so far that you buy talent from other countries which is simply not available in yours. But that amount is minuscule, basically limited to geniuses and people with a very specific education that is highly unusual (i.e. combination of different fields).

Your population problem is just a lazy excuse that politicians love throwing out because your people shit their pants at the thought of having to reform the inherently dysfunctional pension system. No amount of immigration will fix it, it inherently doesn't work in a society where medicine is advanced enough that people actually get to enjoy their pension for 20 or even 30 years.
And elderly care is also just kicking the can down the road. You are importing completely unqualified workers to keep the costs low, but they won't be willing to work for that shit wage forever.

So they come here to rape, leech and abuse? Great solution!

"White" is the ubiquitous language used to describe Europeans just as much as "Blacks" refers to Africans or how people describe Asians.

Please stop being gay you Somalian nigger.

just watched heat, noice

Some of them aren't faking it but we don't care, we can't take the entire population of South Sudan.

when we say that they're economic immigrants instead of refugees, it's because the facts prove that is the case
there's nothing to think other than the truth

>"White" is the ubiquitous language used to describe Europeans
Only in America, which is probably where your disagreement stems from. No one in Europe cares about white identity, they care about their own cultural identity.

Nobody is talking about white identity, I'm informing you about designations that are used around the world to batch Europeans under one umbrella term - as we all do with all peoples.

>used around the world
In America.