Is this what the authorities are telling us happened? Stephen Paddock checks into Mandalay Bay on 9/25. Parks his car full of weapons, ammo and explosives in the garage. Hangs out in his room for 5 days planning the attack. Gambles a little in the casino. Not with anyone this time or the 199 other times he’s seen on camera in Vegas. Complains to the hotel about a room below him being too loud. On the night of Oct 1 an open door on the 32nd floor triggers an alarm. Jesus Campos is sent to investigate. He can’t access 32nd floor because the door to the stairwell is bolted shut. When he eventually gets to the 32nd floor hears drilling coming from Paddock’s room. As the door to the stairway closes, Paddock is suddenly triggered and opens fire down the hallway. Camposis hit in the leg. Stephen Schuck arrives just before 200 rounds are being fired out of Paddock’s room down the hall. The wound to Campos is the only round out of 200 that hits anyone. Both Schuck and Campos radio about a shooter but neither mention Campos has been shot. Paddock begins to unload round after round on the concert. At some point during the shooting Paddock broke a second window and fired rounds at the fuel tanks. After 10 minutes of shooting, he suddenly stops despite having thousands of more rounds of ammo in the room and a car full of explosives. The LVMPD arrives on the 32nd floor as Paddock ends his shooting spree. 1 hour and 3 minutes after officers arrive on the 32nd floor, Paddock’s room is breached where he is found dead. Lone wolf shooter who snapped then killed himself. What am I missing?
Is this the story they're going with?
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You already know they are lying. Just get over it before more innocent eye witnesses are suicided.
My friend install security systems at Las Vegas casinos and casinos all around the world. Recently he was at a conference in Las Vegas and spoke with a IT director from a company that installs facial recognition technology on the cameras that are installed. Keep in mind that the cameras that are in casinos are beyond high resolution. They can literally zoom in and see the minute details on cards at a particular table. Needless to say casinos are some of the most surveilled locations in America or on earth. It would take them 30 seconds to release the footage of the shooters but they haven’t yet. They have every square inch of the hotel and casino on camera and would know exactly who is going in and who is going out. This whole thing could be resolved in less than five days but something is going on and that something is so explosive but they’re not releasing it because it could potential he trigger some sort of Civil War in this country. I’m inclined to think that Democrats were directly involved or some sort of intelligence agency was involved to make sure that the shooting happened
Bump for this legit thread.
Stay off of the HWDU thread or you will get a 3 day ban.
the movie the running man predicted this 30 years ago paddock is ben richards
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You forgot that he an herod via chest wound
Here is a problem. Schuck is on floor 33 for whatever reason, gets radio call to check out the fire exit door.
>At some point Schuck’s supervisor gave him a master key to shut off the hotel’s elevators. He returned to the 32nd floor to give the key back to his boss, who gave it to the cops so they could enter the room.
I'm still baffled by the explosives
>What am I missing?
The part between
>Parks his car
and
>the 32nd floor
lets see that part
>hears drilling
>realised it wasn't drilling but gunfire
Before any shots were fired
LOOOOOL you are correct...Vegas is a lab rat experiment
I think it's pretty clear Schuck is a handler for Campos probably hired by MGM. He only appeared as part of the story more than a week after the shooting.
He realised it wasn't drilling after Ellen told him it was gun fire
I know. I just like bringing up the key card hot potato
The lies are starting to unravel. Mandalay Bay just got caught overplaying their hand.
BUMP this thread.
Every Vegas thread that makes page 1 gets SLID immediately
10000x bump Fuck the shills
yea if you listen to it, Ellen just straight up dismisses Campos' comment about the drilling & corrects him. Set off a big red flag when I heard that.
BIG RED FLAG?
New valid information confirming!
Thank you user!
WHAT EAR PROTECTION DID PADDOCK USE
I try to zoom in on those, but I cant tell what they are. Look like little skateboard decks with a ribbon that has something written on them
>returned to the 32nd floor to give the key back to his boss
Does "boss" reference Jesus or is that a third person we will be shown in three weeks or never?
So the official timeline is contradicted once again by the only person deemed a witness.
If there was a "drilling" sound that turned out to be gunfire before Campos arrived then wtf was the guy shooting at? (of course the timeline says now that Campos's shooting was part of the first volley of fire).
These guys have themselves tied up in knots with lies.
ISIS kikes did it. Mossads little toy I'm inbred army.
I could never figure out what the hell they were talking about. I doubt Campos was the boss. If Schluck was already on 33 for some other businesses before the shooting how can he have the keycard to shut off the elevators?
STOP ASKING QUESTIONS GOYIUM THERE ISN'T A BUDGET FOR THE TINFOIL POST PSYOP TRAIL OF BULLSHIT
Campos never says it is gunfire. Ellen says that. She infected you with the brain virus.
Just get ovee the fact that we live in a truly fascistic/oligarcic country. Corporations own us and our government, and there is nothing we can do about it due to the massive disparities in wealth.
The truth will never come out, just like JFK, and the people will move on like the sheep they/we are.
Nothing will ever change, because ignoring the truth/lying to ourselves/accepting the lies is easier, and humans are on average selfish, basic, and foolish.
There is no hope, user. Sorry.
Schuck describes himself as an engineer in the interview and explains how they wouldn't be doing work at that time of the night.
Why was Schuck there at that time on a Saturday night if he works for them as an engineer?
It's also said elsewhere he does maintenance. Is it usual for the building maintenance guy to be at work at 10pm on a Saturday night if he can't do any work at that hour?
Anons, it's getting late. You must be getting sleepy. *yawn* So sleepy. Just sleep now.
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You could say Schuck is a regular "mr. fix it"
Schuck says they wouldn't have been doing work at that time. So either Paddock was doing a little redecorating to prepare himself for his massacre or Campos has debunked the timeline again, with the help of Schuck and Ellen.
haha, funny joke for a fucking retard.
Kek'd 'n' checked, user
I’d ask; why the hell does the casino still have potential evidence in their possession and not the FBI?
David Ferrara Las Vegas Review-Journal
October 19, 2017
Judge OKs restraining order to protect evidence in Las Vegas shooting
A Clark County judge granted a temporary restraining order to prevent MGM Resorts International from destroying any evidence related to the massacre at the Route 91 Harvest music festival.
Lawyers for a California woman who was shot and critically wounded during the Oct. 1 concert filed a lawsuit last week, asking for a judge to stop MGM from destroying video surveillance or any information the casino operator may have related to gunman Stephen Paddock, who authorities have said frequented gambling establishments and fired on the festival crowd from a suite at Mandalay Bay.
District Judge Mark Denton approved the request and scheduled another hearing for Oct. 30.
Other defendants named in the lawsuit are Live Nation Entertainment, the concert host; Slide Fire Solutions, a Texas company that manufactures bump stocks; and Paddock’s estate.
The restraining order asks to prevent the casino giant from “erasing, damaging or destroying” everything from a security staffing schedule to information about Paddock’s VIP hosts. As another way of identifying potential trouble inside hotels, Sheppard’s lawyers have also pointed to a “do not disturb” placard that authorities said hung on the door outside Paddock’s suite for days before the shooting.
>I’m inclined to think that Democrats were directly involved or some sort of intelligence agency was involved to make sure that the shooting happened
its so fucking obvious that trump is covering up the fact that this was a white nationalist . how can you not see that?
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Bump
(hoping this isn't a "bait" thread because I dunno WTH that is or how to avoid one- can't seem to find out, either)
>only person deemed a witness
dozens of security cameras are also witness'
what the fuck is wrong with you?
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If you jump to about 20:10 and listen. You hear a sharp crack, then the girl comments about falling glass coming from Mandalay. What if the drilling noises were them drilling into the window to weaken it. Then during all the confusion of the shooting and panic, they break the windows
WTH is wrong with you? The shooter was shooting at white people. Are you stupid?
Didn't read sauce, but this could just be a formality perhaps? A "don't fucking delet until the investigation has concluded"? Have any parties refused to share evidence with investigators?
Time to bomb Israel.
It's possible. Witnesses don't state a time, but we've heard nothing about drills or power tools being in the room, just enough weapons to kit out a small army.
Also sounds like she saw the glass falling at the same time as the gunfire started flying into the crowd.
You must need a bump.
That sounds like a gunshot to me. I've broken a patio door glass before, drilling into the frame. It made a crack, but it's a duller sound.
Still, that's much bigger sheet of glass so may be.
this was after the shooting. I remember early on everyone thought the 2 sharp cracks were the paddock "suicide" shots going off. Or murder shots.
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The really early narrative had a Aussie wanna-be saying he was staying in the room next to Paddock.
This room number is later stated to be the second suite also occupied by paddock.
Aussie looser dropped from narrative
What's harder to believe?
That a guy with a lot of money and an excessive lifestyle became a little crazy in his old age and went through with a planned attack but ended up having some unexpected things happen and his plan shifted. Maybe after shooting a bunch of people he stopped for a second and thought "wow I'm a fucking piece of shit I should just kill myself already and end this bullshit" and then he did just that.
OR
That some amazingly deep and convoluted conspiracy theory is going on where we still have no explanation of what that conspiracy really is or how a guy shooting a bunch of people could really make any big difference in anybody's political agenda but there's totally something more to this guys!
Honestly I don't know, but I know that most people are pretty dumb and to plan some wild conspiracy like this is far beyond most people's mental capacity. Also if they were smart enough to plan some crazy conspiracy, you'd think they'd be smart enough to plan the whole thing a little better.
But really none of this has any real effect on my life, there's probably more important conspiracies to unearth or maybe I could ignore conspiracies and just focus on proven evils in the world.
Maybe some casino cameras are better than others but not all of them are good. I've seen multiple poker tourneys get stalled because of a player dispute which they are unable to resolve with camera footage (though they spend forever looking at the shitty footage before declaring they can't see what happened).
deep and convoluted conspiracy theory
>we've heard nothing about drills or power tools being in the room
CBS interview with the first cops in the room:
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1:50 - “a lot of drills and drill bits, all kinda tools”
And Jesus Campos claims he initially mistook the sound of FULL AUTO RIFLE FIRE for drilling…
way more likely the film company MGM staged something to make money off the attention in the rigged press.
This. Def unravelling conspiracy.
It is an actual conspiracy.... And there a a number of theories as to the purpose...
But people did conspire to orchestrate some event in LV..
I'm not sure exactly which way to take this.
Are you saying that in this particular case it's an exaggeration to say it would need to be a deep and convoluted conspiracy, or are you saying that conspiracies are by their nature deep and convoluted?
Either way I just haven't read any plausible explanation for what the conspiracy here would be other than "enforcing gun control laws" but even that seems like kind of a stretch to me.
GEORGE SOROS IS DYING!!!!!
Nobody brings twenty six guns to a suicidal shooting.
I'm convinced Eric was there snooping around
>Either option A or option B fallacy.
>Disregards coverup and lies associated with official press releases in analysis used to form opinion.
>Goes with "Some Dude" theory and shields face from coverup that indicates more investigation is necessary.
RIP JohnANON. I miss you.
>Didn't read sauce, but this could just be a formality perhaps?
The article specifically mentions "video surveillance or any information the casino operator may have related to gunman Stephen Paddock".
I would think every SECOND of video from the entire casino for the entire week Paddock was there (and from before and afterward) would already be in the FBI's hands?
Check them.^
And praise
His death throes may be painful for us. Hopefully his absence will bode well for us in the long term.
If all we had was video/tangible facts around the event, and not the (((PADDOCK))) narrative MGM is trying to control at this point, I'd argue we'd never imagine this was a completely random attack with no motivation from a wealthy 64 year old man.
We only believe this because it's what we've been told in an investigation that has been bobbled the whole way through.
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But what if he had these badass mass murder plans in his mind, but then when he had actually killed a lot of people he just suddenly had second thoughts and decided he was a fucked up psychopath and he didn't want to live any more?
I'm not saying that's what happened, I have no clue what happened because all I even know about it I've read online, but I just haven't read any solid explanations for what else this could be? I could just be super ignorant, I'm not ruling that out, but if there's a concrete alternative explanation I'd be happy to hear it.
Well according to the pic I just posted Eric’s passport says STEPHEN
64 year old guy
No criminal history
No evidence of mental problems
No evidence of political allegiances
No evidence of religious issues
No evidence of financial problems
Retired Federal government employee with pension and benefits
Real estate investor
High stakes gambler, multiple $10K+ deposits
Brother says he wasn’t into guns
He buys a shit load of guns over the past year
Drags 20+ guns and ammo into hotel room
Keeps "do not disturb" sign on the door for days
Mandalay Bay receipt for "shooters" room showing two occupants
Used girlfriend’s casino card to gain future comp points for her to use
Opens fire on country music fans
Despite all the guns, he kills himself the moment a security guard walks down the hall
Hotel room door isn’t barricaded, only has a couple of holes despite “200rds” being fired
Cops bust in
He’s already dead from suicide
Family and neighbors are completely bewildered
Cops stumped
Las Vegas police chief says somebody must have helped him
Democrats instantly call for gun control
Mainstream Media promotes the narrative of a "lone wolf"
Police radio traffic recorded on scanner mentions multiple shooting locations.
Clear audio evidence of multiple shooters
Not a single pic or video of Paddock at the hotel is released, despite him being there for days
Security guard suddenly bails on media interviews, turns up on Ellen Degeneres show
I think it is the mother of all psyops.
The -john user posts confirm a conspiracy.
He posted well ahead, and events confirm his warning.
Ergo, a conspiracy was underway.
>who conspired
>for what purpose
The esteemed FB of "matters" is - all this time later- unable to provide a coherent hypothesis.
Lombardo explicitly said paddock planed to survive this, via an escape route.
When asked about the escape route, Lombardos answer was sometihng like "can't reveal those details".
It is on one of those LVPD lombardos vid.
>Clear audio evidence of multiple shooters
Why hasn't the Mainstream Media addressed this yet?
Cab Driver’s video
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Audio Analysis of Las Vegas Shooter - Doesn't add up.
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>The shooter
How are there still people on here who don't know there were multiple shooters? It's all the fuck over youtube and social media. Almost everyone who was actually there is saying there were shooters in other casinos, and outside at ground level. The LVMPD and FBI are brazenly lying.
Hadn't seen link. Thanks.
So maybe it was a drill, but Campos has said it was actually gunfire, which doesn't fit the current timeline of events unless there was some target practice happening in the room before the main event.
Would be nice to know what kind of drill. Unless it was being used for drilling into masonry w/hammer action it wouldn't really be audible down a hallway in a building like that.
Drilling glass would have to be at a slow speed to prevent shattering and causing an accidental an hero, so not very loud.
To be heard outside the room it really would have had to be a hammer drill boring into masonry. Maybe Paddock was going to install anchors into wall/floor to use to rappel down the building?
(if there was actual drilling)
An user alleged that cat-pic posters are CIA.
>mother of all psy ops
Is this so, CIA ?
I'm not trying to use fallacious reasoning here. Option A is definitely the story we've been fed though, and Option B could be any alternative to that story. I guess you could say that option B encompasses options C to Z as well, but since I don't know what those options are it's easier for me to lump them all together as B.
Coverup and lies? I'm not saying these aren't there, but all I've seen so far are a few contradictory statements, which are common to find in pretty much any criminal case. Again, not saying there isn't enough factual information out there to prove a greater conspiracy, I just haven't seen it myself.
Some dude theory? More investigation is necessary?
Let me just ask, what could be the motive behind this conspiracy? This MGM thing is the most plausible thing I'm seeing, but couldn't they make lots of money in more intelligent ways than staging some complicated mass shooting so they could cover it? Like how much money did they really make off this news?
And if they're just trying to make money off of news, shouldn't they intentionally feed conspiracy theorists so that they will keep checking the news and they can keep making money off of all the people checking the news looking for confirmations of a conspiracy?
Like if the enemy is the media, aren't we giving them more money and power by continuing to talk about this?
Maybe my power level is just too low, I'm just not sure what the greater motive here would be.
remember. Ellen said it was shooting. Campos says drilling.
>Campos: I heard drilling
>Ellen: so you heard dri...it was shooting, but you thought it was drilling.
And people with explicit and widely shared FB documenting multiple shooters
>die
Remember
-Sued MGM for a slip and fall accident
-Was such a whale( read loser) that they did not ban him for life but instead COMPED him even more.
>To be heard outside the room it really would have had to be a hammer drill boring into masonry.
Even a hammer drill isn't anywhere near as loud as a rifle, yet Campos claims he first thought the sound of gunfire was someone drilling?
If it seems like a stretch to you that the U.S. Deep State would do something like this, you are quite naive regarding the U.S. Government. It's not just about gun control per se. It's about CONTROL. It's about justifying more surveillance and an expanded police state, because they populace is becoming less and less compliant, especially as the economy declines and they continue to rely on globalization as a "solution."
yea anime cat girl pictures. Not normal cats
>Open Door Alarm
>Door is bolted shut
What did they mean by this?
Ok, so there is lots of contradicting information. Who says the media isn't just putting this out because it gets them more clicks from conspiracy theorists looking for answers?
Yes the information seems very odd, I don't disagree. The whole thing seems odd, sure.
but what is the alternative motive here? what else was accomplished here? I'm just not following that side of things.
I know. He was my friend. I miss him. John user lived close to me.
And who is that supervisor, who happened to be on the 32nd floor as well? You know, the one Schuck received the elevator master key from? It sounds like a party up there, but I haven´t heard a name or seen a face. It seems he is conveniently taken out of the story, no show in any of the official timelines.
Source: Schucks interview (video and article Oct. 11th on TODAY)
>I'm just not sure
Neither am I. If we keep pressure on them then they are more likely to make more mistakes, revealing more truth.
Exactly this^ *ELLEN* said __shooting__
Campos said "drilling"
AndDo you see how (((they)) create and embed a narrative.
Campos was ""corrected"" by Ellen, and you now think it was campos who made the claim.
Don't feel bad, (((they)) do this 24/7 and have a century to hone their skill.
Here is what I think. Door ajar alarm is a macguffin. Capos tried to open the fire exit door to 32, because he was floor 31. His journal gets updated
>Investigate sealed fire exit.
so he (depending on where you read the story) enters from another fire exit, or takes elevator to check out the sealed door & forgets about the door alarm quest.
No one was there. Paddock was never there. That’s why there’s no camera footage
That's a cute little drill in video. I was thinking about something like pic related. I use them in work. Breddy loud.
Tucker Carlson last night said game on to any conspiracy theories. Said it was our generations jfk.
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"What has happened over the last couple weeks with shifting timelines, and witnesses going missing, it's created unease for our client, and it's created unease for the public." - Says lawyer who filed TRO to protect evidence from being destroyed by MGM - twitter.com
PLEASE note that MGM representative is already posturing that evidence is already fucked. This is a quote from the video and what the MGM lawyer said about preserving evidence.
"If they're asking us, for example, to preserve and not alter the rooms in which this crime was committed, that's impossible. The FBI has already altered the rooms, as you would imagine." - MGM lawyer
The legal bullshit begins, but at least there's someone pushing that avenue of the investigation. Continue on all fronts.