They cannot be wrong if they don't play the game at all.
That is one of the most fucked things I have ever heard.
>women are all ruined and have always been
>therefore you cannot win with them so basically you don't play the game
Dude that is one step towards suicide.
We could use the same argument towards life or anything else really.
It's not a joke at all. It's literally the roasties worst nightmare.
You have no idea what you're even arguing against. You don't know the first thing about MGTOW.
Is your image supposed to help your argument? It's everything I despise about women, the blatant lying, empty, meaningless platitudes, excessive unnecessary use of hashtags, shoving a photo of herself there anyway for attention and recognition. No one gives a fuck
>complaining that less men are playing the game
Why is this a bad thing? Shouldn't you be happy? Less competition for you means an easier time getting women. So go get em tiger.
t. t_d soccermom who probably found Sup Forums from that one twitter faggot who keeps breaking rules 1&2
just depends man
some consider me a mgtow, but i've always had a gf but i'm 35, have my own house and car and don't want kids or to be married for awhile.
it's not that I don't want to spend my life with someone, it's women who aren't children are so rare. I mean for real, either they are entitled, or hypocritical, or sexist, or jaded, or fat, or have kids, or have some weird drug addiction pills or otherwise, or are in horrible debt, or some std, just some crazy shit.
like I tend to date girls in their young 20's because they aren't so fucking angry or fat, and no kids... my current gf is 33 but she's asian from thailand so she has a good job, a good family, not fat, no kids, no divorces. So it's like american women tend to fucking suck and want to be treated like a lady but don't want to treat a man like a man.
they want all the advantages they had before the 70's like the man does his man work but they want to be treated like equals
basically they want everything and don't want to give up anything. i always worked hard and kept my head on straight but alot of my bros my age, they made the mistake of kids or marriage and got fat, now they don't want to date anyone who is like them and no one who is attractive wants to date them
It transcends the movement, it's an organic reaction...
Not even being Cristiano Ronaldo Body+Money or George Clooney charisma is enough to have them satisfied.
Not even Johny Depp.
It might be an issue with females having standards higher than famous billionaires than actually males "not playing the game".
Western civilization is falling and I don't think it can be stopped at this point. Just too much working against it.
So don't attach yourself to the crumbling pillar of marriage because it will just take you with it if it crumbles. Enjoy your life. Live on little. Cultivate your interests, etc, but it's over. Don't nail yourself to the cross because no one will care you did anyway.
As much as I love guys like Gavin Mcinnes and Jordan Peterson, they are dead wrong on this subject and all they're doing is running a White Feather campaign for marriage. Just remember this: not a single person telling you to get married and start a family is going to be there to help you pick up the pieces when it all turns on you.
They will all be busy helping/trying to bang your exwife.
Remove woman's influence and control over the state and watch as men start playing the game again.
its a meme, jus tlike the trap meme and cuck meme
dont fall for these mems and become it
I understand 100% the reasons behind the movement.
But the movement is so much like Jim Jones's that it's not even funny.
>if women do not act like they're supposed to we don't play the game
>if society sucks we suicide
That is not a fucking solution
The movement has good principles but anti life conclusions will do you no good
Don't care.
How do you please woman who find men such as George Clooney and Johny Depp as "not satisfying enough"?
Those guys might as well not be satisfying enough, who knows?
Please explain how not playing a rigged game is suicide. I Beleive there are more men who commit suicide as a result of divorce than there are committing suicide in general, at least in North America.
>>if society sucks we suicide
That's not what happens, at all. It's more of a "the apple is rotten so I'm not buying it" type of thought
>The movement has good principles but anti life conclusions will do you no good
It's not anti-life either. Earth is saturated with people and we REALLY don't need any more of them. Whoever parrots the usual "we must reproduce or the white race dies!" is fucking retarded because we're right in front of artificial reproduction, superior eugenics and life extensions. We don't need a quantity of white people, we need a quality of white people. 1 high-quality white man can rule over hundreds of shitskins much like the jews have managed to do. This world is all about quality
Problem is they find both average men and very famous rich men as unsatisfying.
No male is left unchecked. Whatever ideology causes this behaviour on women, it's spreading like wildfire.
I can't tell if MGTOW-esque reactions are a legit movement or just a self-defense reflex, like your eyes closing when dust closes in.
Doesn't mean you'll go blind, you're just protecting yourself. Or so I want to believe.
It's not a movement for me, it's just me saying "Fuck that" to knocking girls up in their twenties, getting married and dumb shit.
Do I want to have kids... probably. Do I avoid having a girlfriend? I've always kind of had one a girl or a girlfriend. Am I afraid of never getting married? fuck no. Do I actively hunt down females? Nah, if I see a cute one yeah. Do I play the game? Absolutely not. People put pussy on a pedestal or treat it like the plague. It's just pussy.
Apparently I'm a man going his own way
That’s right goyim, go your own way. Don’t have any children and have a bromance instead and spend all your time playing video games and shitposting
Have you ever considered that maybe having Ronaldo's body or endless money doesn't make a man perfect? It might be hard for you to grasp, since you autist neckbeard view human relationships as some transaction of services or math problems: if I meet X criteria she must fal for me because her worth is X.
Stop being so freaking autistic. The real world doesn't work like your autistic calculation where with enough wealth/power/status you're entitled to a gf of spesific value.
You make the mistake of saying that MGTOW are doing it on their own. A majority of them are still incels but don't like that label so they say its voluntary.
find them young and groom them/salvage them
MGTOW is just an excuse for low test faggots to jerk it to cartoons before they suicide
The women who bought into the cultural Marxism bullshit are niggers of the gender. The ones who don't buy that crap have a chance to be decent human beings. That's what cultural Marxism does to you, make you a nigger that thinks the world owes them shit and it boosts your victim mentality tenfolds.
The loud mouth MGTOW are similar too. But the real quiet ones who just want to live their lives, been hurt, been burnt, been let down again and again are doing the same thing by choosing to prioritize themselves first.
To make a comparison that you understand, would be like males in their 90s saying that Pamela Anderson isn't hot enough.
I picked those examples because they would be more universal. Plenty of average joes end up destroyed aswell.
This whole "MGTOW" thing is rife with butthurt virgins who blame everyone else for their perpetual virginity. These faggots also like the pretend like the don't care about sex, but then they post their images and infographics which always confirm that sex is on their minds 24/7 and they're very bitter about being virgins for life.
this is very true. most mgtow that i've met are just fat or hairy and fat and just assholes who can't get laid.
lol you don't have any idea how women work bro. women do work like calculators 99% of the time.
*in the 90s
i really haven't been burnt that bad. Most of my gfs have been wonderful people who part of me still loves. But i'm incredibly selective. I'd rather be alone than with some hypocrite
my current girlfriend is amazing and there's a shot i'll marry her eventually. but i'm not forcing the issue and if we stopped dating i wouldn't be broken or go actively looking for the next.
>These faggots also like the pretend like the don't care about sex, but then they post their images and infographics which always confirm that sex is on their minds 24/7
Idk man, the modern culture seems really retarded with regards to sex.
People treat sex like it's the most important thing and you're a failure if you aren't having it. But at the same time sex is meaningless and you should do it with whoever you feel like cus it doesn't matter.
It's absurd.
I just feel like I have no other option at this point. I blew my 20s. I had interest in girls early on, couldnt pull anything, and eventually I got all jaded and neckbeardy, gave up on girls, gained weight, got through school and found a good job. Im approaching 30 now, getting pretty fit, making good money, have a house, but I'm so fucking far behind in the game it's ridiculous. Literally all I have are reformed thots/single mothers who its real obvious are only interested in me because I have a house and money because they had no interest in my when I was younger. I wish so badly I could have a happy family. I fucked up anons, it's too late for me.
I tried going to a few of the forums because i thought it would be cool dudes talking about hobbies. Its mostly butthurt fat guys complaining about women. Those same guys would revert right back to beta provider mode if a woman showed interest
Right, but what is the solution? Most fundamentally divorce law has to change and that's simply not happening. In many ways it's worse than it was 10 years ago -- especially with alimony being made into a guideline in many states, much like child support is.
You guys bitch at the MGTOWers that they're pathetic, but you don't do anything to relevel the playing field. So fuck it, why should they put anything on the line when no one else is?
Also
We are all playing the game, the only way to not play it is when you are death.
Those who preach defeatist ideas like that dont realize this, that they are still inside the game and doing nothing they are becoming the biggest losers, carcass of men that could have had a diferent life rather than the holes of cucked defeatism that they have dug with their poor life desitions
Not quite holes, but more like graves
>women do work like calculators 99% of the time.
I guess you better do efforts to go beyond Ronaldo and Johny Depp atractiveness so one day you can enjoy in exchange.. a normal relationship.
This crap is too assimetric. No one wants to put their signature on such a bizarrely assimmetric deal.
You just have the be the best man for her at the time. She's never yours, it's just your turn.
But they are half right in a sense that, for everything you do in life, success requires a little bit of capital to begin with. (And men earn their shit through work, unlike women who were born with a vagina) The world isn't gonna give you a free lunch so you better work for your meal. However, some people do think they have to make 6 figures to be able to buy a happy meal from McDonald's. some people don't want to eat at McDonald's and know the price elsewhere is more expensive. And some just don't want to work at all and eat for free. So I wouldn't paint them all with one broad stroke.
>not even 30
>too late
Women will care for what you can provide them.
But this doesn't mean you can't find a decent girl.
MOVE if you have too.
>Ronaldo and Johny Depp
Why the hell do you imply you have to be like them to have girls?
You have a problem with confidence, you don't have to be a star to be happier and more succesful in life than one.
Take the Christ-pill, user. Find a conservative church. Marry a mid 20s chick from a good family. The female to male ratio is almost 2:1 in a lot of churches and the girls cant find a non-drunkard to marry
Women have been spoiled rotten by generations of men pandering to them and essentially begging for their attention.
A single generation of men not giving a shit about women will serve as a wake up call to these entitled women.
Good for you man.
Another thing to consider is that happy couples in good relationships are busy fucking, cuddling, bonding, and just living life together. They don't have the time and energy to go on pol or Reddit to talk about petty shit. Remember, happy people don't complain as much and as loud. So obviously if you look around, you are more likely to see bad examples than good examples being talked about. But don't get me wrong. Some people are toxic and baaaaaaaad and a lot of the redpill stuffs are true (about strong male figure, about self respect, etc)
Not a joke, but also not a topic worth discussing. There will be no changing of minds.
More pussy for us, polygamy when?
You want a woman who values your love, not love you for your values.
The problem is that not even Ronaldo and Johny Depp manage to get "girls" in the stable relationship sence.
Even those dudes quickly end Divorced. They cannot please the modern woman.
Imagine being invited to a challenging soccer game having average soccer skills. You ask how challeging the game will be and you hear in return "even Ronaldo and other top soccer players keeps losing"
Even if you "accept", do you realistically believe you will be the sucessful one?
..tell me if i'm not understanding you right
women work like calculators and there's nothing wrong with that. i can even proven it
99% of the time women will not date someone shorter or skinner than them unless they are fat or the guy is rich
women have a set criteria of things you must have such as a penis
guys kind of do the same thing, but women have a mental checklist. like a women in her 30's whose got her shit together and this is one of my friends (she's a lawyer) and it's like this
1. Car
2. can't live with parents
3. Decent job
4. all his teeth
5. taller than me or ripped up
6. kind to animals
7. kind to strangers
8. non micro penis
9. semi rational political views
10. sense of humor
thats how it works
Perfect? Is that the standard for men now? Seems to be. Today's women have spent their entire lives being emotionally built up as very very special, no matter how dumb or ugly they are. How ever is a very very special person going to settle for an imperfect man? That would be dumb, especially because she can pull chads for a few years with even the worst genetics.
>She's never yours, it's just your turn
Right, this makes me not want anything to do with women.
I gotta share you with every faggot from 18 to 80?
No never mind good bye.
it's just most of my guy friends like 3 out 4 have just ruined their lives with kids or marriages that failed
i'm fine with polygamy.
cares enough to comment
The roastie thing is a meme. It's a genetic lottery, some vagainas are like that.
My mom for example has a pussy like a baby, you can see the labia
Yet my sister has a big labia even when she was a virgin
Same as the "uncut dicks smell Thing
I am cut and mine smells in just two days of not showering while the dick of my father, who only showers once a week, never smells.
tfw 7/10
i think you can all guess which 3 i'm lacking
>semi rational political views
Yes every man needs to be brainwashed by the cabal to get a woman.
>People treat sex like it's the most important thing and you're a failure if you aren't having it.
This
Women are the ones going anhero; hot ones too. Once they hit 30 and realize all their friends are happily married to highschool boyfriends and they shouldnt have kept "trying to do better" their trapped scorpion insticnts take over.
Well I hope you are right and I'm proven wrong someday/sometime.
Still you understimate the modern woman. Many of them were fed SJW feminism type while in the beginning of their puberty.
It used to have some point, but beta losers who just hate women for no fucking reason started to infest the it, and that's all there is left. Just tards that reeaaaally hate women.
>inb4 the purpose of the movement is to hate women xDDD
kys
So yeah, its a sad sad joke now.
>Have you ever considered that maybe having Ronaldo's body or endless money doesn't make a man perfect?
you're the one who's autistic. he's just making a hypothetical example of a perfect man.
if having
>perfect appearance
>perfect personality
>perfect morals
>perfect etc.
can't even guarantee you a loyal 5/10 then why bother?
Religious girls are the biggest whores.
You're one sick puppy.
Your life sounds very sad to me. Do you really think it is 24/7 competition all against all? No, your wife is not hard coded to dump you at once she has a chance to get a "better" man. How could people even live in a society like that? I meet women objectively hotter than my gf all the time, but it doesn't even cross my mind that I'd want to change and start everything from a scratch with a new person. Its same as with jobs. Does your boss fire you, a veteran employee at once someone with more potential appears? No he doesn't. You seem to only view human relations as some kind of deal where both parties always only aim to maximize the value they gain themselves, while also completely disregarding the value of the existing relationship itself. Relationship that has been developed and nurtured with a lot of time and effort.
Funny, I actually did find a girl who initially fit that bill like 2 years ago. She turned out to be full of drama though. We'd been dating for a week or two and then she learned from one of my friends that I was a virgin and when she was drunk one night out at a beer festival she started shaming me for it in front of everyone we were with. We haven't spoke since.
ITT: MUH DICK
Well why are you going for girls who have many partners to begin with? Not telling you women are angels, but if you know they are dumpster fires, there is no need to lift the lid.
That's what women need to understand, if they want to net a good man, (not their dream man, but a good man, one that will actually take good care of her and like her and not treat her like shit) they have to be very careful not to have a shitty rap sheet. Unfortunately a lot of them do not know this until they hit the wall and lose their superpower. Which happens in a timeframe that correlates to dudes at their SMV peak. It is already too late for them to realize so late because the dudes their age have options, and the good ones are mostly taken, the ones in the pool have a high premium for commitment because they are not at their peak. On top of that, the women themselves have hit the wall so they don't bring as much values to the table to begin with.
Why do you think marriages used to be arranged?
here bro part of the reason i'm posting is to give clarity. here's the normal checklist
1. taller than her or in good shape
2. car
3. don't live with parents
4. kind to animals
5. kind to strangers
6. non micro penis
7. semi rational political views
8. sense of humor
9. decent job
10. clean enough
like don't be a nazi
nah. women are easy to understand. 2 things they want
1. someone who can pass on good genes
2. someone who can take care of offspring
this is very true
no it's a 24/7 competition.
>what is hypergamy
It's really straight forward.
Women misbehave, necessitating men having authority over them. In today's world if a man attempts to exert authority over the woman he is in a romantic relationship with, the government will show up to take all of his money and put him in a cage. Also everyone ostracizes him. No individual man can overcome those obstacles on his own, so the ones who notice decided not to play a losing game.
Restore male authority over women and this shit sorts itself out rather quickly. Unfortunately no one has the balls to take on the government and all of society single-handedly to correct this problem.
Doing things based on others ideology is willingly living like a slave.
I refuse to settle for someone who is definitively worth less than me
>live with the ideology that you need to have a woman or you aren't really living a proper life
>live with the ideology that women aren't worthwhile and you can live a better life if you devalue them
pick your poison
Guys, real question. I can get laid, not a problem, but I havent had sex for a long time and I am still pretty young, but I already want to settle down and have a family. How do I find a decent wife?
Tinder
>Well why are you going for girls who have many partners to begin with? Not telling you women are angels, but if you know they are dumpster fires, there is no need to lift the lid.
Because the fire gets hidden by the dumpster.
Women are terrible now and look like bad stock.
Would Not invest unless to fuck.
Where you live buddy be thankful they are not taking all the men at once in front of you on a drunken binge.
Obviously it's a generalization, but try ask a lot of married dudes that if tomorrow they become handicapped and cannot work anymore, do they think their wives would stick around? Because if I'm wrong, universally all of them will say "yes, she will stay." But you and I and the guys all know there is a chance their wives will leave.
It's the balance between not being a naive cuck and not being a jaded grump. And I'm fine that you think my life is sad. Because I think life IS sad. The universe has been trying to kill you since day one. Everything you do will eventually fail. Everyone eventually dies. Everything you love will eventually be destroyed. So I have accepted that life is sad, and not supposed to be happy all the time. But I'm also trying not to sink into depression by trying to see the good side of love.
Human do those bullshit value calculation all the time. To say "I don't treat people like objects" is like saying "I'm born without Sin.". What matters is to not let it be your only way of judging people.
TLDR; you need to get real.
Western women are a lost cause. Pull up a chair, watch the collapse take place, and laugh as all the roasties who thought they were gods gifts get BTFO. I'm not bitter either. I just realise the inherently corrupt nature of women and how utterly broken the current system is. If by some miracle society hasn't completely collapsed in the next 20 years, we're going to see an entire generation of cat ladies wallowing in despair, childless and alone.
Not to mention it's exactly what kikes want
>women don't marry/fuck MGTOW faggots
>niggers step in to fill in the void
>Jamal and Abdul racemix with our women
MGTOW= white men giving up
this!
tinder
you aren't fooling me, fish
Piss off antifa
What a cuck....seriously.
You are the reason why women think they can do whatever the fuck they want with no consquences.
They only have anything because WE allow them to. They let all these bullshit ideas get to their heads, and it's time to put them back in their place.
And niggers have always been dangerous, but one point we had them semi-domesticated.
This
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sage
seriously tinder is good. though you have to sort through hundreds of pieces of shit to find a decent woman.
i just think of them all as unloyal, easily changable sluts...doesn't mean i don't get my dick wet brah
>everywhere I go women are total shit
you're probably right.
you need to leave the west if you want a non-degenerate woman.
sure, you could probably find a decent woman in the west but its 1 out of maybe every 50.
If you want an easy way out, go to asia.
If you want a white easy way out go to a slave country.
yeah....
i'm assuming you've never had a long term girlfriend who was hot or decent
idk the single life is pretty sweet. pass out, wake up. pass out again.
>niggers step in to fill in the void
>Jamal and Abdul racemix with our women
White women lose either way so it doesn't bother me. Once law and order collapses due to white women's lack of self restraint they're going to see what cultural enrichment is all about. It's all fun and games until the power gets cut out and you find yourself surrounded by violent shitskins with no one to protect you.
Forward thinking white men should be heading out of the cities and into the countryside to prepare for the collapse. Take solace in the fact that after a year or two after SHTF you'll be able to purchase land for pennies on the dollar.
>We could use the same argument towards life of anything else really
Welcome to your epiphany.
Immunity Cat can't be negated, though.
8/10
Had some laffs
>insanity
lol are things that bad in the UK?
The issue is that you cannot enforce your will on your women no? Not even a billionaire can do itin this society, no? Then it is simple, the paradigm must change so that order can be restored. Now I do not think this needs to be a society wide paradign shift for you to have a faithful women. Most women are so weak that they tend to reflect those in your social circle. So control who she knows haha, so simple right? Well not really for obvious reasons. But there is one thing you can do, control who you know. When men get together to do something it is called a mannerbund and from there you can form a basis for order and society and faithful women. Its so simple even niggers can get it right.
Yeah, YOU don't pursue anything better. Women are wired differently.
If you have a loyal woman who is actually attractive and has a decent personality, good for you.
But the argument is that a woman like that is getting harder to find.
this, suicide is the ultimate redpill
But they aren´t wrong. I´m not even talking morally or culturally, sex and what it implies - successful propogation of your genes - is the only measure of success in this world that has any real relevance. Even great achievements are literally nothing compared to this.
See: Ozymandias, King of Kings aka literally who.
Also see: The Selfish Gene.
Literally everything you do is to increase the chances that you can produce viable offspring that will survive until they can have kids of their own + have some chance of raising those kids to the same age. And so on.
that is also the problem, women will never be satisfied, they will always cheat, always find something in another guy. getting laid inst an issue, but it isn't fulfilling either to be a notch on some roasties fuck list. I'll be damned to find a decent women to marry
>are things that bad in the UK?
Worse. London isn't just Orwellian, it literally IS 1984. It's actually nightmarish in some places. Obese black women speaking in Ebonics hobbling around, Muslim women everywhere wrapped in headscarves, fat working class white women with dead eyes walking around pushing strollers with their mixed race mongrels, black men wearing track suits and playing rap music through their phone speakers in public. It's just a nightmare that never stops, and it gets worse and worse every single year. It's as if the (((elites))) sat around a table and decided on the most tortuous way to genocide the native population. Actually it wouldn't surprise me if they did