Should the gov fund research into new tech?

Or should all research be handed over to the private sector?

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the all white government should fund all white researchers

government should and must and does

No. The government should gas all the fucking pedophiles. Destroy israel. Destroy the rothschilds. End the fed. and then release all the hidden technology locked away.

Not sure what those are, but bottom one looks like a cross section of a vertebrae

it's what's being used in the new fusion reactor, more or less

You wat m8?

The funding for the Wendelstein 7-X was ~72% from the German federal government, and ~20% from the EU.

99 percent German funded. Germany pays way more to the EU than gets out, so that money is ours anyway.

This meme machine will never work. How are you supposed to harness energy from it? Even if this thing will eventually work, how the fuck are you supposed to get extra energy from it? It is a closed system.

Hold the fusing material in a magnetic field, use photons radiating to heat water. It is not a closed system.

Established institutions don't like to fund innovations unless they can control them

For this reason, the most profound and world-changing technology will never come from anything government - or often even corporate - funded. If and when it does happen, it is by mistake, not design.

There is no secret reservoir of technology secreted away anywhere. I wish brainlets would stop believing this stupid meme.

That second stellarator image is so fucking cool

"We get paid to look for answers, not to find them."

>closed system

wud? do you even know what happens in fusion? Ever heard of water being heated by hugh energy neutrons? That’s how all nuclear power plants work, mate.

And what powers the magnetic field? You need to contain over 100 million celsius of plasma. Those magnets will require a fuck ton of energy. Even if one particle spins out, the hull gets a hole and the machine becomes unstable to use any further. So after every test you need to rebuild the entire fucking hull from scratch.

Yes there is. The government isn't in contorl of it because if the Khazars had it the world would be over. You'll see.

With another 30 years of research, and then another 20 years of R&D development for the first net-energy positive government reactor which nevertheless will only ever operate at a monetary loss.

Wendelstein fails the KISS philosophy and is a bureaucratic nightmare that exists more to fund the livelihood of engineers, researchers, middle managers, and politicians, than it does to actually solve any sort of energy problems.

If you want to see a fusion reactor following KISS philosophy - insomuch as that can be applied to a nuclear reactor - go look at General Fusion. They'll probably be the first to not only hit net-positive energy output, but also the first to commercialize it.

News flash, cuck: Your government and mine have reserved the right to slap a gag order on any technology that might cause an economic upset. i.e. Bitcoin, Toroidal Energy Dynamics, Investing in Bidets vs Commodes, Playing Rap at public gatherings vs Death Metal, the list goes on. The way Soros sees it, it'll be 1000 years before we are allowed to study antigravity science and realize that Mpemba was right.

not photons. Photons are light.

>"There is no secret reservoir of technology secreted away anywhere. I wish brainlets would stop believing this stupid meme."

>wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_Secrecy_Act

Even (((Wikipedia))) disagrees with you, shill.

The magnetic field is kept by cooling tge superconducting magnets. The cooling pumps and cooling mechanism requires electricity, but way less than what you get out from thermal fusion energy in a working scaled up stellerator.

As to “one particle spins out”, that happens all the time and fucking nothing happens, just as in particle accelerators. The contamination of the coils is real, but replacing the tiles every 15yrs or so is enough to avoid brittleness.

Fusion is shit and ITER is garbage. Waste of time and money until post-scarcity, which you can get to with fission.

Do you know what General Fusion tries to do and where MTF registers on the operability scale? If they get to anywhere even close in confinement time as a 1980s tokamak, call me.

No, photons cover the em spectrum from gamma down thru thermal (infrared)

in high achieving orgs the ratio is something like:
> 65% White Euro
> 10% Jew
> 20% Asian
> 5% Other

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The energy exchange works through the neutrons.

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The helium nucleus carries an electric charge which will respond to the magnetic fields of the tokamak and remain confined within the plasma. However, some 80 percent of the energy produced is carried away from the plasma by the neutron which has no electrical charge and is therefore unaffected by magnetic fields. The neutrons will be absorbed by the surrounding walls of the tokamak, transferring their energy to the walls as heat.

In ITER, this heat will be dispersed through cooling towers. In the subsequent fusion plant prototype DEMO and in future industrial fusion installations, the heat will be used to produce steam and—by way of turbines and alternators—electricity.

good god that's a lotta vacuum flange
well done
i hope your designers have good ergnomics
i mean, wow
so many feedthroughs
and not symmetrical either
wow

True dat

We haven't even really begun with fission yet though. A lot of promising stuff, hasn't really scratched the surface.

Make it boil water or some shit, I dunno

>its a closed system

Can you please not talk about stuff you have clearly no fucking idea about?

Is there a fusion power plant under construction in France or Switzerland or something that is expected to give out more power than it uses? I swear I remember reading about it but it seems like it would be massive news and I haven't heard anything about it since

I hope she's coming back soon, I can feel your pain. If she can do it for you today, waiting is worth it.

But fusion is meme, it can't break even on energy in/energy out, but even more, for fusion reactor to be just self sufficient they would need to have twice efficiency then current models because steam turbines have 50% efficiency and that still omit energy wasted for harvesting and processing fuel for it.

Leave it to the private sector. If we did that with space exploration with no regulations we would have colonies on the moon and mars by now.

>give out more power than it uses
>over-unity efficiency system
let's not get into conspiracy theories here, mate.

Do really think that it is a good idea, when any company can just shoot rockets in space whenever they want?

Next gen uranium based power plants burn 99.8 percent of the waste. Look it up.

government worshipping shill, i hope you get a bullet in your head for your fascist control-freak ideology

> it can't break even on energy in/energy out, but even more, for fusion reactor to be just self sufficient they would need to have twice efficiency then current models because steam turbines have 50% efficiency and that still omit energy wasted for harvesting and processing fuel for it.

Based on what? Source?

People like you are fucking delusional.

>give out more power than it uses

Holy shit, a power producing power plant!

Yes. The government is a useful source of funding for more economically risky endeavours.

Not entirely acurate, and I didn't include the private funding from Germany.

Why is that? Are you a commie socialist?

you think you are smart posting that, but guess what, you dumb.
energy conversion from one form to another usually ends up in some energy being wasted. the challenge is to minimize the loss.

finally, over-unity efficiency, by scientific logic, is impossible - with a capital I.

Because we as a nation can absorb the risk that a company never could.

This should be strictly science, not manufacturing based, and would provide their results for sale to offset the cost of any failing government ventures.

It's worse then I thought
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power
>The ratio of energy extracted against the amount of energy supplied. This record is considered to be set by the Joint European Torus in 1997 when the device extracted 16 MW of power.[51] However, this ratio can be seen three different ways.
>0.69 is the actual point in time ratio between ”fusion power” and actual input power in the plasma (23 MW).
>0.069 is the ratio between the “fusion” power and the power required to produce the 23MW input power (essentially it takes into account the efficiency of the NB system).
>0.0069 is the ratio between the “fusion” power and the total peak power required for a JET pulse. This takes into account all the power from the grid plus the one from the two large JET flywheel generators.
euro-fusion.org/glossary/fusion-gain-q/
>Q, fusion gain
>Ratio between the power produced by the fusion reactions and the external power required to sustain them via plasma heating. JET set the world record Q for fusion power in 1997 with a value of 0.65. A fusion power plant requires a fusion gain between Q=10 and 50. ITER will demonstrate Q=10.

Da, yes of course. Tech is much easier to obtain when in private sector.

Nice, I will! But its still an expensive process to refine, something that MSR would get around.