I have a prediction, the mindset of Americans will drastically change once China takes over: >American nationalism will slowly die out (Most are glory hunters). >US Media will slowly incorporate China in their content. See the ending to The Martian, this is where it starts. >The US will fall into a great depression and potential civil war as they fail to keep up with China. >Americans will start playing the victim: "We used to be the best country on earth", "Remember when we had the strongest military? Those were the days", "Member when America was great?" etc.
What are your prediction on the matter? Will that just start WW3 as soon as they're no longer top dog? Will nothing change? What do you think?
China maybe will have better economy but as a country they still will be shit. No guns, shitty natural terrains, polluted air, soulless population etc.
Carson Long
>What do you think?
I think China thinks it's light-years ahead of the rest of the world culturally, and I think their inevitable failure should be rubbed in their faces afterwards.
Blake Torres
if Americans dont buy from china, they will go bankrupt.
Hunter Green
soon China will take over, for the best fuck the anglos
William Green
Can't be any worse then it is now. Big if Free bumps and rebenge porn.
Blake Foster
How do you think they will fail?
They're investing a lot in other nations, look at Africa for example. When your nation is in debt to China, you slowly become China.
Exactly, trying to compete with Chinese exports is ridiculous.
Benjamin Sanchez
The people make the country and the people are terrible in China.
Zachary Lewis
America's economy is not the primary source of their power. It's their alliances: The de fact control over Japanese/Korean and European foreign policy.
If you combine the gdp of those areas it's over half of the world's. And the U.S. can get them in line if there is a need for that, as witnessed by the Russia sanctions for example.
And that's not nearly all: The U.S. also has de facto control of all the important financial institutions like the World Bank and IMF.
So unfortunately this means next to nothing in the "World Order" or political sense.
Xavier Howard
Read Giovanni Arrighi's works on the rise of the East Asian economies, you'll find them interesting.
Isaac Phillips
Is the yuan gold benchmark launched? what effects will it have?
writing a ba thesis, need min 9000 words until next week, pls help
Colton Gray
>America's economy is not the primary source of their power. It's their alliances
America's primary source of influence over other countries is their economy.
Brody Cox
I bet I can guess your flag.
^ See this.
Carter Evans
> What are your prediction on the matter?
My prediction is that you're full of shit
Jordan Garcia
Unless direct military conflict will happen that would set it back drastically, China will be Number 1 in many things, nor just economy. Anyone telling themselves "but China is awful/they are a buble/chinese cant do shit etc etc" is deluded and ignorant.
The only thing to say is that China will not become "super power" as US was, but rather a "Planet China", focusing on itself. Currently world needs China more than China needs world. Their whole intent is developing own market and raising living level of populace so that it becomes dominant. They are self sufficient and have everything they need, are nationalistically driven and only real dangers it faces are political turmoil or war - for which they are still better prepared than most.
People comparing them to Korea or Japan dont have a clue, as those countries live to sell - China will live to its own leisure and you`ll beg them to be able to sell your stuff to them (or produce stuff in China to sell to them).
Jacob Martinez
I'm more worried about what will happen when China can't keep up the economic growth rate, and you have a few hundred million unmarried, unemployed men who own nothing.
Jayden Nelson
The real question is how long will the Communist party remain in power? The more time comes by, the more it is clear that there is no reasons for CCP to stay in charge. So what comes next? Is going to be a peaceful transition to multi-party system, or some kind of a color revolution/civil war?
Brody Cooper
If democracy leads inevitably to the dictatorship of the bourgeoise as highly concentrated urban liberals vote to siphon taxes revenue to fund exorbitent public pension systems, and to destroy civil society through open borders neoliberalism while simultaneously fortifying their own families behind gated communities and private academies...
Is an people's democratic dictatorship the only way of securing economic patriotism, and a sustainable meritocracy? If western progressivism made inevitable by universal-franchise democracy is "leftism", when what do you call socialism with Chinese characteristics? Perhaps the economic/procedural definitions of right and left are wrong. Perhaps we should go back to their origins in the French Revolution. Left = chaos, revolution, equality. Right = order, stability, hierarchy. Can anyone seriously say that China is less hierarchical than the West? Can anyone seriously say the West is less obsessed with equality than China?
We're still debating withing a 20th century ideological superstructure, and it's preventing us from understanding what's really going on.
Connor King
Neither. Why would CCP change? Why do you think there is no reasons for it to stay in charge and current China development has nothing to do with them? Why do you believe Chinese populace desires the change?
CCP achieved exactly what it promised - bringing chinese peasants from poorest level, gradually giving everything it told: bicicle - > mottorad - > car - > appartment - > iPhone > whatever.
CCP is required to manage the country and regions of China, its technocrat gremiums of proffessionals reason for its rapid development. And it awailables China scale large projects needed to move country in needed direction and overcome crisises that cant be done with any other kind of management.
It all develops by plan. First move the fuck all populace from rural villages. Then build cities and infrastructure. Then build industries and energy. Now can at once regulated everything to shit to improve ecology and increase service sector etc.
People thinking Chinese economy is work of "talented individual enterpreneurs" that just pay taxes are ignorant idiots. It is all planned, regulated, financed and directly owned at times by the goverment, with Chinese "billioners" being a mere token figures.
Chinese goverment is technocrat and looking way way ahead, while just about every other govermenet in the world are inept burocrats with no wisdom and planning.
Xavier Roberts
Current American nationalism is just neo connery, John Mc Cain style promote democracy nonsense. It is better that it dies out, something else will take its place.
China might transition to a russian/singapore style managed democracy.
Matthew Martinez
>it's all planned! >several cities with literally 0 people in them because corrupt chinese officials' success is rated upon GDP >culture of theft and soullessness >can't see the sun
wew lad
Ryder Morris
As a chinese this is very idiotic post
Liam Cruz
>Hongkonger >Chinese >mfw
Joshua Mitchell
In the American capitalist mindset, cities with 0 people can only be the product of markets going crazy: People gets deep into debt, builds too many houses, then it turns out that nobody buys them, etc. That's how people in the West imagines it. But the chinese government has five-year plans. Ultimately, the number of cities being constructed comes from government planning, not from market's will. The chinese government uses the market to achieve macroeconomic goals, but the macroeconomic goals are still controlled by the government, something that does not happen in the west. Many of these cities with 0 population you have heard of end up being populated years later .
Their mistakes come from planning failure, but not from market's irrational exuberance (whose control must be part of the planning) as it happens in America. The entire western world has a shitload of private, non-government debt, because we trust that markets get all right and governments have no powers to intervene the market in the ways that China can.
Levi Price
Yes and no.
Jackson Morales
They're not going to be having it both ways for much longer. HKanon just pulled a Jewish trick. They're Chinese when they want to to pose as authoritative about China. They're Hongkongers when they want to shit on mainlanders.
James Sanders
And now with the advent of AI, the emphasis on data, and just computing advances in general, the Chinese can efficiently and expertly plan out like never before. They are clearly in it for the long game, and are willing to do whatever it takes to get there.
The West on the other hand is too focused on the short term - profit now at the expense of future gains. Most people here are too concerned with their own pleasure and "happiness" to care about the future in any meaningful sense. Excess consumerism and the capitalist mindset is destroying us in this information age.
Michael Davis
We just have to wait some years for Beijing and Shanghai and the like to surpass HK in terms of economic and financial importance. Then they'll have no choice but to fully bend to mainland will.
Andrew Gonzalez
Hong Kong people cluster quite far away from central plain Han Chinese, this is due to the high amount of Zhuang admixture. I'd consider them sort of a meztizo race.
Leo Reed
Are the chinks going to start using the LOO anytime soon?
Ryan Nguyen
>as witnessed by the Russia sanctions for example.
Except the Russian sanctions didnt have the desired effect on Russia because of China. Dont get me wrong, the sanctions did have a negative impact on Russia in the short term but in the long term, it just brought China & Russia closer together.
CHINA WINS AGAINS.
Mason Richardson
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Jeremiah Ward
are you the same chink who made a larp thread about china using bitcoin as their national currecny a few days ago? if so kys
Carter James
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Oliver Allen
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Lincoln Adams
1. Fake 2. She just had a child with her Japanese husband and is preggers with another 3. She is model / former model
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Cameron Allen
Any city dwelling/upper class/white collar anons here? Looking for input on something: I've been noticing a huge increase in Chinese migrants, visa workers and students coming over here in recent years. They've been taking over high paying jobs, openings at top universities, and generally ingratiating themselves in the upper crust of American society. Has anyone else noticed this? I mean, Asian kids at top unis has been a thing for awhile, but now it seems they are everywhere. Is the Chinese government openlyh supporting these neo colonialist moves? Or is more discreet?
(Chinese puss puss is pretty nice though, so not complaining too much)
Andrew Diaz
At present Pew polls show most Chinese, especially the young, are overwhelmingly happy with the direction the country is going in. Until china achieves "Xiao Kang she hui", a moderately prosperous society, nothing will change. After that, it will probably be a lean towards liberalism.
Levi Bell
Here are some of her modeling portfolio in case you are curious
Asian guys get tall attractive white models. Meanwhile White guys guy get ugly midget brown women from the Phillipines (eg Las Vegas Massacre shooter)
I don't think its the case at all, more like the case of America trying to brain drain the smart Chinese. If the communists are smart they would prevent these people from leaving and instead send the lower tier migrants.
Carter Flores
Some are probing the system, looking for weak points in government. Some just don't want to live in a polluted Chinese city with fake products and food everywhere.
Robert Ortiz
Well it makes sense. As Chinese wealth and respect grows, they can now afford trophy brides and the like from wherever. And as the West declines, our women will whore themselves out even more to the rich Chinese to try and reach the same level of material comfort they used to have.
Cooper Ortiz
>the more it is clear that there is no reasons for CCP to stay in charge.
400 years of humiliation vs 50 years of prosperity. yeah, lets get rid of that. are white people / westerners this stupid?
Hunter Powell
Because it's the next logical step for the chinese society. The better are the life conditions, the more people are becoming economically active and it's easier to access information via technology, the more population will start to become politically self-aware. They will realize that they have their own goals and interests to achieve trough politics, and that the current chinese elites have no rights for the political monopoly. That's the fate of every modernizing autocracy.
Adrian Baker
The world needs a different kind of leader, not a leader that bombs fascists and communists, but a leader that solves global problems. The leadership of the future will belong not to the "leader of the free world" but to the country that leads in tackling global problems such as climate change and terrorism. The USA, even assuming that its dysfunctional democracy still represents "the free world", has failed miserably in tackling global problems. Many actually blame the USA for contributing more than anybody else to climate change and terrorism (it is the USA that created the oil economy that benefited mainly the states harboring Islamic terrorism). It's telling that China is building a new "silk road" towards Europe, and that the European Union and China are increasingly partners whereas the European Union and the USA are increasingly rivals: most of the EU did not want the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and now does want to fight climate change, which happen to be precisely China's policies back then and now. It is just a matter of time before Europeans realize that their ideals and principles are more often aligned with China's global responsible approach than with the USA's greedy parochial protectionism. And viceversa: Angela Merkel is widely respected in China for her compentent and responsible leadership, whereas Trump... well, he's not exactly respected anywhere, let alone in China. (The Chinese shamelessly bribed him by granting him the trademarks that he wanted for his business and he immediately gave in like the cheapest whore in the brothel). While the US president denies the value of statistics, polls, science and facts, the Chinese president quotes statistisc, polls, science and facts. The world has lost its patience with a country that every now and then elects Reagans, Bushes or Trumps, presidents who pull the world backwards for four or eight years. The Chinese Communist Party has consistently appointed competent and diligent leaders.
Anthony Reed
Deus Ex predicted many things that were right, and offered redpills by the hundreds. One of the things Deus Ex predicted is the rise of China as the last sovereign nation in the world by 2050.
Easton Martin
>Americans will start playing the victim
some are already playing the victim, they're called regressives.
Caleb Foster
They won't revolt thought. The government monitors all they do and blocks foreign websites, and it isn't like the US where this is done in secrecy, they will execute people.
Mason Thompson
I used to agree with you on the brain drain theory. And to an extent, it still is true (especially for former Hong Kongers). But, I was recently dating a girl from Singapore who had several friends who were from China, but we're employed in the tech and/or financial sectors here. I got drunk with them one night, and they started casually mentioning the "great plans" the Chinese have to usurp the superpower spot. One of them was a military officers son who kept alluding to some secret information and plans he knew of, which was part of the reason he started working in investment banking here. It is anecdotal, I know, and we were drunk, but it still stuck out in my mind.
Levi Nelson
Send them to africa and balkans to impregnate 3rd worlders. It's already happening.
Owen Nelson
They are probing the us financial system. We are doing the same to them.
Evan Sanders
That's what I figured. I guess I'm just worried considering our own state of affairs here.
Robert Smith
>Send them to africa and balkans to impregnate 3rd worlders. It's already happening.
now I understand Wolf Warrior 2 better
Jace Ross
The entire US will resemble California financially, socially, demographically, and politically. Most of it will become a 3rd world country, while the urban progressives run a semi-feudal neoliberal dystopia from the major cities that will by that time be completely fortified into sealed sectors like Midgar in Final Fantasy 7, so the bourgeois city elites can stay separate from the masses.
Eventually they will run out of money to police anything other than anarcho-tyrannical statutes around the urban cores, while the periphery become lawless, and begins to foment revolutionary forces that will eventually storm the cities, kill the elites, and start to 300 year cycle all over again.
I don't give a shit as long as the Americans don't try to start a war with China in a feeble attempt to avoid their inevitable collapse with a wartime economic boom.
Gavin Fisher
>dude sex is right again "I will burn like the brightest star, gwai lo"
Isaiah Ortiz
>>American nationalism will slowly die out
I've got exciting news for you Britbong. The traditional white American, known for their patriotic pride, is long gone. White America has been invaded by third world gibmedats. Obama destroyed what chance was left and the globalists are ever more brazen. The mistake whites made was allowing brown and black people into their kingdom.
Bentley Brown
They need to cut out the autism and stop acting like insects, if they want people to warm up to chinese culture. People love Japan and Korea becuase of their cultural exports. China is just seen as that dirty untrustworthy kid who talks too loud.
Logan Watson
Going by your scenario, don't you think war is inevitable? I mean, people in power do not want to lose it, and going by historical standards, are willing to do whatever it takes to stay in.
So I guess, aren't we already at "war"? As in, an information, economic, and proxy war with China?
Parker Morris
Well we coulda stayed top fuckin dog but a buncha faggots had to vote for a protectionist and revert our economy back to old markets, particularly energy. So when i watch china talk about investing crazy amounts of money in future markets and watch my country continue not to give incentives and investments to move our labor force into new areas (see germany) i just fuckin laugh at all the retards who wanted to go back to 1980 cause it felt good. God bless amerishit
Justin Taylor
Quick, name five cultural exports from China that isn't Jackie Chan
They are using Chinese tools and trucks, as well as old Chinese missile designs in North Korea.
Luke Evans
War is too expensive these days. Countries don't gain from it, unless the power imbalance is huge. Barring utter stupidity, great powers will no longer fight each other directly.
Elijah Gray
I think we are starting to see that switch already. China before could not hope to compete economically, let alone culturally with the US. Japan only did so well because of completely new mediums (video games and anime). Now though, China has the money to fund Hollywood production companies, and has enough of a middle class to get entire franchises catered and made for them. And this all ignores martial arts and kung fu.
I feel our cultural perception of China is already in the process of transforming, just give it a couple of years.
Henry Cook
>"We used to be the best country on earth", "Remember when we had the strongest military? Those were the days", "Member when America was great?" etc.
hmmmmmmmmmm sounds just like another country I know of that lost their empire HMMMMMMMMMMM
Levi Clark
>directly That is where proxy states, cyber war, trade wars, and political/economic intimidation come in.
Anthony Collins
>China can't compete financially Its already the 2nd largest economy and on track to be equal in the next few decades. You could say their per captia isn't as high but the economic pull of a nation is its GDP not per captia. Which is why the world isn't ruled by Singapore.
Evan Russell
The Western Hemisphere is about to leave the pages of history. The whole thing is going to become as irrelevant as South America has always been.
They may not have to manpower, the skilled numbers necessary to man the war technology by that point. The best 1% that Kelly talked about aren't going to volunteer their lives to fight for an anarcho-tyrannical progressive one-party state? The elite urban children aren't going to abandon their comforts to fight. The ever-shrinking white patriotic core native population will rather fight the federal and state governments than fight Chinese people on the other side of the world. It's not going to be like Vietnam again--that conflict was sold to the public initially on the patriotic fumes left over from WWII that the boomers had been raised watching movies about.
Listen to this speech, and every time his say 'California', replace it with 'United States', and the speech becomes an accurate description of the entire country in 30-40 years. California is the first domino in what is going to be a nationwide trend that only needs to hit a 50% threshold before it become inescapable even in the most remote rural white states and counties.
Not conventional war, no... But indirect warfare through cyber war, lawfare, economic sabotage, and psychological warfare is happening now, no? I mean, think of all the big hacks that have been traced back to China in the past couple of years. Think of all the investment China has been pouring into California and Hollywood, and their approval of CalExit. Etc etc etc.
Also, pic related, just replace Russia with China. (Not saying it's happening, but the idea is there)
James Peterson
The one thing that may keep the US merely ungovernable and stagnant, rather than going full neosovietism is the non-proportionality of the Senate. It could prevent a total one-party takeover of the country. Consider the current Senator map. cont...
Charles Lee
There are a lot of caveats to China's economy.
Rule of Law isn't well established making bribery an issue and national take-overs, of technology or capital, a stronger possibility than other developed nations. It makes bribing easy, but it's short term gains. Their labor market has stopped being the cheapest a while ago. Corporations are moving elsewhere already which keeps China's wealthy/poor, rural/urban issues from being remedied. Chinese demographics are also going crash as the huge pool of worker suddenly starts to grey with very few replacements thanks to decades of the one-child policy. Then there's the political reality that the modern chinese political party's legitimacy is promising prosperity in exchange for complete political control. The growth of China's economy may continue, but its people will stop feeling the effects and growth soon. This will eventually create dissatisfaction that would be released during elections in a Democracy, but with China, no one quite knows how that would go down. Maybe another Tiannamen Square.
So, while China has a lot going for it, it also has a lot of issues it has to resolve. The benefits its enjoyed for the past 50 years are starting to come to an end. It'll have to show it can be flexible and adjust to these new challenges while maintaining control of its people.
Brayden Campbell
Most of that is what you bongs do when you compare yourselves to us. Stop projecting, you irrelevant nigger. Sage for shit thread.
Nolan Johnson
...if demographic trends continue, and the Republicans lose the entire Southwest except for Utah, there is going to be a white backlash in the interior. Pic related is almost a worse case scenario, and even then it's still 48 Dem Senators, 52 Republican Senators. Even if you play around with it more, it's still about a 50/50 proposition, which could keep the Senate deadlocks, which will influence presidential appointments, and prevent a totally legislative gutting of the constitution. All tyranny will come from the Judiciary and the Executive branch so long as the Senate holds.
William Morgan
They used to be but then Mao shat on it hen lit it all on fire.
Liam Long
The shrinking labor force is actually good for the average Chinese worker as it drives up wages. The idea that the labor force needs to expand or economic collapse will happen is used by elites to drive wages down via mass migration.
China's labor force is already shrinking this year but they still manged 6 per cent GDP growth, this proves that a shrinking labor force is no obstacle to growth
Isaiah Wood
Noticed this heavily in the Seattle area. Also used to have tons of chinks buy masses of pre-paid gift cards. Chinks are expoitation capitaliats.
James Sanders
China hasn't done any national take overs as far as I know. The technology transfers are due to China having excellent negotiating teams, where corporations have to transfer technology if they want access to their markets.
There are cheaper markets but their infrastructure isn't there. Vietnam, Indonesia don't have the large scale integrated supply chains of transportation and manufacturing that makes them cost competitive and capable of exporting to the world. They're certainly developing but China is also shifting to a service/consumption economy. The government is aware they can't be an export economy based on cheap labor and rapid industrialisation forever, which reduces the likelihood of disaster happening by trying to export some more.
The political situation of China is pretty vague down the road but I'm less pessimistic than most people. Economically per captia they're still far from first world, which means if leadership is good they can be growing for the next few decades to count on prosperity. After that? That closet comparison we have to a one party Chinese country is Singapore. Singapore has had very bad growth recently and sometimes in the past but the ruling party still wins overwhelmingly. If the cultures are compatible what China's people want is stability and economic progress. Free speech and other western values are alien to most of them.
Landon King
The rising wages will mean corporations move outta China to find cheaper labor. Even Chinese companies will try to do this eventually. The 6% growth is half of what they used to get. The growth is slowing and the Chinese people will feel it. India's labor market is largely untapped because of poor infrastructure and regulations, but if that opens up, you'll see a stagnation of wages unless China imposes anti-free trade policies to protect its workers. The result is a less competitive Chinese labor poor for unskilled/low skilled work that will create economic and then political friction within Chinese society. And currently, there's no way to deal with that kind of frustration except suppression.
Now, this doesn't mean China is doomed or anything like that, but markets and business will have to orient themselves in a way that works with a potential police state that has to enact martial law now and then to keep their own people in check. But generally, this rattles the cages of business as it makes them think they could be next in some form or fashion. Again, rule of law is not clearly followed in China so a company could lose everything it has in China one day if a Chinese leader decides he's doing this in the interest of the Chinese people and there's no one to stop him because it's a one party system.
Xavier Russell
It's the gold rush. Everyone wants a piece of the Chinese pie, but they'll start to see the price for sharing all their technology in a generation. When the backlash comes, perhaps it's happening now, you'll see fewer companies wishing to take advantage of the Chinese market when the gains are only short term. And the Chinese welcome these foreign partners now, I'd be surprised if they don't lock them out in the future once they have what they need. Or maybe China will become a leader in Globalization and become far more open to everyone and every business around the world.
This is the big challenge China has to face in the next 25 years. Moving away from an export oriented economy to one with a lot of domestic consumption and services. The problem is that, just like the west, a lot of those people who worked in the export industries start to lose their jobs, their factories, and their prosperity. The jobs move to the cities where cheap service jobs are more abundant than better paying factory jobs. Automation will also kill a lot of jobs without necessarily replacing them with new jobs this time around. And during all of this, those other nations will try to pick up on the slack that China is leaving behind while also becoming increasingly wary of China's growing clout. China will have to try and manage all of this within its one party system without any direct elections with any meaningful check on the direction their country takes. That could lead to more protests as frustrations builds if good jobs are replaced by shitty ones.
As for Singapore, this is a good example of where culture matters. This is mostly a discussion of economics, but there is also identity. There are plenty of nations around China that will not willingly assimilate into a new Chinese orbit. Their politics and economies will fight to maintain a balance with China and efforts like the TPP were efforts to do just that.
William Morgan
Why wouldn't other nations assimilate into China? Philippines is. Thailand is moving closer to China. Malaysia is. I come to the SEA region often enough and I think China's influence is huge. All along the Mekong, the One Belt One Road projects can be seen. Several Chinese casinos are being built there for some reason. It's not just the Chinese government, but private Chinese developers are also leaving their mark. Chinese investment in Malaysia is increasing rapidly. Duterte is also getting very friendly with Xi, and I think Cambodia or one of the other ASEAN nations recently abstained from authorizing a joint statement from ASEAN on the SCS (joint statements need unanimous approval) because it recognized the International Court ruling on the area.
Japan, SK might be hostile to a growing China, but in the region I think most are very welcoming of China. SEA and the rest have no ideological alignment with the US and are partners out of economic benefit.
Ian Russell
Japan, SK, Indonesia, India, Vietnam, nations with their own distinct identities that would like to remain separate and not become locked into China's orbit. I'm sure plenty of nations will join China, but plenty won't want to and will find allies to balance against China. As smaller nations decide their future, they'll have to choose between which big boy to side with. This is mostly a culture issue, but the economics aren't necessarily better either.
What America did when establishing its post WWII global economist system is subsidize much of the developed world's security and offer generous trade deals. From Europe, to Japan, to Mexico, America has help develop greater and wider integration of economies sometimes to its detriment. Would China do the same thing to welcome smaller nations into its orbit or would it be more aggressive in a neocolonial manner. There was a time when Japan was expanding its influence in a positive manner in East Asia before becoming increasingly Imperialistic. These nations will have to choose if they wanna give up their economies to China's behemoth or team up with others that may give them more say in how things work.
If China wants to become the open and welcoming society that nationals feel free to trade with under a Chinese security net, you have to wonder how they'd abuse that if they ever wanted to given the nature of their internal politics.
