Is Spain committing seppuku with their actions in Catalonia?

>Now one businessman has warned enough is enough - as he insisted the Spanish government just “let Catalonia go” or risk being dragged down and destroyed by the enveloping crisis.

>"But Spain can’t come to terms with losing Catalonia, and losing the GDP it provides". "Madrid is being worse hit than Catalonia, it is really struggling. Madrid and Spain is facing a crisis.

>The Managing Director of AMC network finance firm, Mr Adam says he has decided to cut a planned $450 million investment in Spanish real estate projects in protest at what he sees as Madrid’s “medieval” response to the crisis.

>“Spain is going down and this government has to go. It is too volatile - you don't know when it is going to blow."

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It's all a scam. The EU needs former nation states breaking up and turning to the EU for protection.

We need another war to shape the future

Why is Catalonia more economically vibrant than other parts of Spain?

They were never under muzzie domination. They're pretty much Germanic at heart (Visigoths)

Yes it does, but not yet. The EU wanted removal of the vetoes, and all government institutions under EU control, first. It's to soon, before the EU is prepared.

keep pushing it boy, the rest of spain is being flooded with catalonian shekels

Catalonia are faggots fuck em'

No

What's wrong with Spain?

>Get nearly unlimited riches with the colonization of America
>Wasted it all on the 30 years war
>lel Armada Invencible
>Europe enter into a new age of scientific development while Spain remains on the feudalism
>Africa begins at the Pyrenees
>Lose all the colonies
>Third world shithole on Europe
>Last remain of fascism after WW2 but it's too poor for invanding it
>After Franco's dead, Spain receives all the support from the civilized world for finally becoming a real European nation
>they ruined it again

High IQ. Unfortunately being a tiny prosperous region in a big backward country has meant that millions of useless spanish gibmigrants came here and now not only we have to subsidize the leeches here but also the whole Spain.

No you ignorant cunt. The whole former roman Hispania was Visigoth.
The muzzies went all the way up to France. Pic related.
That was actually a good thing. A lot of knowledge from orient came to Spain which was unknown to the Christians.
Still the muzzies didn't mix much with the locals. The last of them were expelled in 1492.

You fucker. The graph shows only students in Catalonia. And of course the students who are taught only in Catalan perform better than the ones who are taught in both Catalan and Spanish.
Actually this is also a lie, because the only subject taught in Spanish in Catalonia is Spanish language, while maths, science, etc are all taught in Catalan. No wonder students with Spanish as mother tonge perform worse when forced to study in that stupid dialect.

Gabriel Rufián, stop spreading lies.

He's not entirely wrong though, muzzies were here just for 90 years~ which is nothing compared to other parts of the peninsula

CATALARPER detected

you are still trying to chage your national identity to be open borders, immigration nation, economic socialism.

Cuckalonia will get raped so hard by 155 tomorrow. This is your last cry for help cuck

You frog don't stop the bully, at this rate we'll be forced to build a wall

That damage control. I'd say the difference is because ones are the natives while the others are economic migrants, and immigrants always score lower for obvious reasons.

Thanks for proving that spanish immigrants lower the average of Catalonia. Good goy.

Your comment is extremely ignorant and retarded. Go back to Lugo moor.

Spain committed seppuku long time ago, after Franco's death, the day in which democracy empowered local governments. When the education, tv, radio, finance and law enforcement was given to local caciques. Then the caciques realized that with their given power, they can threat the whole country.

Spain must be re-centralized

then explain to me how spics have on average 6% North African gene makeup?

>and losing the GDP it provides

"MUH GDP!" screamed all the Spanish managerialist politicians.

Spain please start a civil war so I can fuck your refugee women.

sPAIN and eu btfo

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You have to go back Manolo. Why can't you spaniggers stay in your designated shithole? Always emigrating and leeching welfare in other countries eh.

Fuck off you ideologist. The EU has every interest in holding Spain together.

You're one of those LARPers that doesn't see long-term strategy and just gestures in romantics and overly ideological nationalism.

I thought businesses were also fleeing Catalonia because the state is full commie and they would be eaten alive if it went independent

Two things.

First, the islamic influence if anything was positive, as Islam geographically prevented the Christendom from accessing inventions and goods from China, which suddenly became available in Al-Andalus. Christian were filthy barbarians at the time while the Arabs were more civilized, as opposed to today's situation. This cultural influence would later allow Spain to enter the renaissance way before than any other European kingdom.

So if they didn't get to stay long in Barcelona, neither did they in Asturias, Galicia, Cantabria, or the north of Aragon and Navarre, and it was equally a bad thing.

Second, the Arabs didn't came in enough numbers as to fully invade the country. They just acted as rulers, and let the locals to keep their religion (Mozarabes). The later Almohad and Almoravid did came in much large numbers, but neither they did mix with the locals as they believed it would taint their blood (lol). These guys just considered Al-Andalus as a military outpost.

Meaning the blood in in the south is almost as "dirty" as in the north (very little), as genetic studies have proved.

>immigrants always score lower for obvious reasons.
But the key factor here is the language. If they spoke Catalan in the USA, would a catburger immigrant score lower?

Semen swallowed or ejaculated into a person changes their DNA, and Spaniards are thursty for the juice of the Moor.

I'm too lazy to look up the percentage of African admixture. I'm just saying it was low. It has been discussed in Sup Forums many times.

No, they have been doing this since ever. Why you think they have separatist movements? The only ones that got away with independence are the Portuguese and they payed the price with isolation. What is fine because that isolation forced them to discover other lands. The Portuguese must be bad ass.

The moorish ancestry gradient in Spain is not south-north but west-east. Numerous genetic studies have proved that. Galicia has almost as much as Andalusia.

The key factor is intelligence. Intelligent people can build successful societies while stupid people can't and need to emigrate to enjoy a good life leeching of what intelligent people build.
You're clueless if you think spanish speaking children don't have a 100% mastery of catalan.

The portuguese managed to separate because catalans revolted at extactly the same time, and they (spain) choose to keep catalonia over portugal, concentrating all efforts there.

Decentralization is a good thing even if they are commie cucks.

Castilians were going to crush the portuguese but then we revolted and they had to send their troops here, which gave more time to the portuguese to reorganize and fight back. If we didn't distract castilians the portuguese would today be part of Spain.

Don't forget that the Catalan Revolt also lead to a war with France, all while trying to fight the Portuguese Revolt backed by the British.

Pic related, some frames from the catalan separatist coalition party official video spot. I'm tired of counting niggers faggots and mudslimes on this one.
And then you have Jordis LARPing here on Sup Forums that catalans are ethnic nationalists LMAO

Thanks for the compliment for history of nation of the country that I was born it. There's also a need to refer: Portuguese managed to restore their independence taking advantage of their Catalonia revolt in May 1640 and Thirty Years' War.

In 1st December 1640, the 40 conspirators did the coup starting the Acclamation/Restoration War. Then afterwards, they sent their armies commanded by inbred nobility to fight Portuguese lead by war veteran

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Restoration_War#Events_leading_to_revolution

Also, in my opinion, all these revolts were caused by the short-sightedness and mismanagement of Castile and people like Count-Duke of Olivares.

You can't seriously have a country where everyone revolts and wants to get out and still believe you are not at fault (at least partially).

>too lazy to look up the percentage

African confirmed

>The key to intelligence is intelligence.
Nice circulus in provando.

You guys are all a fucking joke. To begin with Puigdemont, Trapero, et al, are all half-xarnegos. I guess self-hating outsiders have to overcompensate and beg to be accepted.

The fact that they aren't is a good thing
It's like how I, as an American, desperately want California to secede. The sooner that Mestizo shithole breaks away from us and stops influencing our politics, the better. If that happens, the only thing libshits will ever have power over is the Senate.

Except I'm actually French, nice try catacuck

To be fair Comiefornia is not the only part in your country filled with dindus and libertards.

>not a single drop of castilian blood
Jokes aside you should stop with the communist mantra that we're all the same. There is no way that castilian immigrants in Catalonia would score the same as native catalans because if they did they wouldn't have had to leave their homeland in the first place, period.

Portuguese revolt started in 1st December 1640 was supported by France since 1 June 1641. British only supported since 1662.

Of course not, but because of its enormous population, it has a disproportionate share of both Representatives in the House of Representatives and electoral votes in the Electoral College. Maybe Catalonia doesn't have that much influence, but if communists offer to physically remove themselves from your country, why turn them down?

Ever thought the "Catalonia is commie" is just a spanish smear campaign because they have no arguments to make us stay in Spain?
Leftists barely ever win in Catalonia let alone communists. What spaniards are afraid is of losing their cash cow, but don't expect them to admit this so all you'll hear from them are fake memes.

>then explain to me how spics have on average 6% North African gene makeup?

The vast majority of colonizers were from Andalusia-not Granada (the majority), south Castile and Extremadura.

Murica was a land of new opportunities for "opressed" people (black slaves, conversos aka new christians) so it's not a surprise that many decided to leave since they can't get fucked so easily by the inquisitors.

At least this is my teory of why there is so few north african blood in Spain (peak of 10% in some areas) without deportation (Aragon or Valencia) or extermination (Granada).

see
True right wing ethno nationalism at work

Looks like a bunch of leftist bullshit to me. The only party I've seen anywhere that claims to support (((Christian democracy))) and weren't enormous cucks at the same time were the SGP in the Netherlands

Mass deportations of berbers and arabs did take place but in those times it was very hard to do it efficiently for obvious reasons so many just relocated in other parts of the Peninsula and also many of those expelled came back.

>They were never under muzzie domination. They're pretty much Germanic at heart

bwahahahahahahahaha

you are a separatist traitor and one day you and your kind will hang from nooses for your treason

Hahhahahahahaha

Idiot

the day of the rope is coming, catalan scum. We will purge your leaders, then cleanse your universities off all commie filth.

how does it feel getting BTFO by EU when they announced they will NOT mediate at all? Must suck how there is no mass outpouring of European "leftist intellectuals" support like you Marxist swine had hoped for.

Go home Manolo, you're drunk.

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remember the time when Portugal had been wiped off the map and Spain controlled the entire Iberian Peninsula? Yeah, I remember.

spainards so bad at memes they are ruining the chad virgin meme

Big tent coalition ruling the govt with confidence and supply of this party is something to account for or not be easily forgotten. The same thing happens in my country. It could be hijacked in some matters.

ERC of Junts Si looks like more left -wing than average European social-democrat party - PS here and PSOE in Spain.

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they aren't fucking leaving. they tried several times and it never happened, never has happened and never will

I don't think ERC is more leftists than the average euro socialists because it is also nationalistic and eurosceptic. But it's hard to classify because as all regional parties they don't touch issues they don't have competences in like taxes, immigration, gay marriage, etc that would be key characteristics of left wing parties.

No one it's going to leave spain to "try" communism, they just want Madrid to stop stealing their money.

If they were so great they will let them have their money in exchange for keep being part of Spain, but they won't because stealing Cataluñan money it's actually how they stay afloat.

>they don't touch issues they don't have competences in like taxes, immigration, gay marriage, etc that would be key characteristics of left wing parties.

Weel you say that, but a catalan user shared a video of Rufian giving bantz and harsh truths to Rajoy mixed with some demagogy and populism, they still have to opine or take stance on those matters in your National Assembly or equivalent. Or they do all abstain from voting in those matters?

This map is extremely misleading without a proper explanation that those minorities are not specifically on those regions, most are surrounding Barcelona on the industrial neighbourhoods.

>been wiped off the map
No i just remember Portugal having no successor to the crown and Spain taking advantage of it untill we BTFO los hermanos again.

We still here :)

>Companies in Spain move to Spain
>Spanish government sucks their dick in shady business deals giving them more advantages than Catalonia did.
>Shady business deal cucks Spain before said companies and they actually get less benefit than before, as these companies will pay less.
>Said companies who are just riding the wave and haven't actually moved their businesses, ready to move to one or the other region depending on how things go.
>We won't perceive a single shekel of this, yet people cheer and clap.

Holy fucking shit are all Spaniards on Sup Forums retarded? Go use a Canadian proxy at least.

No idea really because I never follow what happens in Madrid but in the catalan parliament those issues are never touched. But if I had to guess I'd say they vote similarly to PSOE, except of matters that affect Catalonia directly of course.

Not to mention that they are still inside the EU and the sudden flee of caoitals creates a void that some asian companies are desperate to fill.

Damn even I want some of that Catalunyan pesos.

They are retarded yes. The most surprising is that they don't know that the taxes businesses pay are collected directly by Madrid so it doesn't matter where they have their main office.

youtube.com/watch?v=KjOQvG_afuE

I genuinely think that if Portugal instead of Castile lead the Iberian Union things would have been better for all.

You were less messianic, more pragmatic and realistic, less papists and less obsessed with converting the heretics on foreign lands back to catholicism, more interested in trade and your own sphere. The amount of good men and gold we wasted on bullshit wars is just enraging to think about, fucking hell.

kek stay mad,look at your irrelevant shithole country

Exactly. Low iq castilians always say how Catalonia is not going to get any investments but the dangerous thing is the opposite, there is plenty of vultures who are ready to buy eveything when the prices drop during the transition period to make profit when values come back to their (more or less) real level.

Our gold I may add.

Yeah we did the same after the argentinian economic crisis and just went ahead and bought anything they had for sale, we made mad amounts of cash that year.

Dunno, the people of Portugal and Spain had more in common with eachother than with the their rulers, The monarchy didn't really dwelt with the peasants. The same it's true with the rest of Europe so honestly i don't think it would have been a massive diference, but i might be wrong, one never knows what would come out if it was Portugal leading the Iberian union

because the government give them a shiton of money so they won't leave. They are whinny cunts anyway, so they keep saying that we oppress them when they are one of the regions of Spain with more standard of living. But in reality they feel oppressed because we don't let them take "enough" Muslims.

youtu.be/D4DxSqM1HOE

Catalans are truly a piece of work. They are more willing to mongralize their region by taking in dindus and mohamads than sharing a country with their castillian, aragoneses, valencians brothers. This is just sickening.

>Sharing.

You have a weird way to ask for generosity Castillans.

Your delusion knows no bounds.

We're already mongrealised because of mass migration policies carried out first by Franco and then by PP and PSOE. Guess what, we hate equally a castilian, an aragonese, a moroccan, a bolivian and a romanian.

Desglosalo por CCAA. Básicamente las mas ricas tienen mejores notas, no puedes comparar Cataluña con el resto de España. Saludos.