I just ordered the Book of Mormon. I've felt this unnatural attraction to this ever since I first knew about it properly.
Please - PLEASE - red/blue/whatever-pill me on the matter. What is wrong with me?
And bonus question: what exactly is that difference between Utah mormons and other mormons?
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it ain't my business if you like mormons, but they're creepy
really, like brotherhood of nod creepy
>I've felt this unnatural attraction to this ever since I first knew about it properly.
That's because it's an easy and fake religion designed by Satan to lure you in and away from Christ. It's like the spiderman comic of religion.
What's wrong with you? Nuthin.
LDS considered
Plus:
Set you up with a job and a wife.
Church welfare if you need it.
They take care of their own.
Wife will stay home make babies and be a wife.
Husband is in charge.
Neutral:
10% Tithe. Pay it, but they'll promote you to a job where you make 15% more than you would otherwise. (hidden discrimination in your favor)
Minus:
No fucking coffee.
No fucking booze.
Home Teachers to spy on you.
Creepy thing with Pedophilia going on - I know three LDS guys who were molesting children and the LDS church knew about it and did nothing.
Weird assed temple rites.
Crazy magic underwear.
Religious beliefs that are very difficult to say with a straight face.
Public speaking. GAWD! Public speaking IS hell.
It's a Satanic cult. Christianity is about truth, Joseph Smith was all about fraud. He's led millions to Hell. Don't be another.
ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
tell me, mister burger, do you have experience?
The ''no fucking booze'' part scares me a bit, but I feel sick (like real sick, not just crazy) whenever I touch alcohol so it must be right.
Not Mormon but have lots of relatives who are. My grandma was raised Mormon. Her great-aunt was one of Joseph Smith's polygamous wives.
Bottom line, for 90 percent of people, it is a highly comfortable and admirable way of life. Self help, helping others, living a clean life, working hard, building an extremely strong community, marrying young and having lots of sex and lots of happy white babies.
However, for the 10% of people who just can't handle authority, hierarchy, and conformity, its miserable. If you're gay, don't even think of it. If you're a drunk, or doper, or a sexually promiscuous slut or manwhore, forget it unless you are sincerely wanting to change your ways.
The theology is bizarre horseshit, and I think most of them realize it. But whatever helps you get through the day.
If I were a single young man with the right kind of personality, I'd totally join and go through the motions of believing in it. Most of them are extremely happy and fulfilled people.
Nothing is wrong with Spiderman, LDS is terrible though.
Don't join this cult user. Read the Bible and follow Jesus. You can find conservative communities without joining a cult that is a corruption of Christianity.
My Grandpa's family was in the LDS church. It had such a bad effect on him, he doesn't like to talk about it.
Find a different conservative community.
Mormon Mafia detected.
>Most of them are extremely happy and fulfilled people.
Bullshit. Contrived happiness isn't fulfillment. Burning in Hell for blaspheme of the teachings of Christ isn't a life goal.
Excellent genetics in utah
Its a complete bullshit heretic cult. Just look at the claims Joseph Smith made. American indians were a lost tribe of Israel that knew how to write and had horses. Zero archaeological support.
Ex-mormon here, who moved away from Utah and recently returned back to the promised land because Utah is the best.
Here's why you're probably into Mormonism: they have an unrivaled sense of community. Your local Mormon parish (called a Ward) has all of that tight-knit small village faith feel no matter where you are in the world. In anywhere that's not Utah, it also has a bonus of kind of feeling like a secret club, especially once you become a Temple-going Mormon and participate in all of the masonic shit they do.
The Book of Mormon is basically a crazy Bible fanfic, but it has an undeniable charm about it even if the writing style is very boring and repetitive. It has a lot of "FREEDOOOOOOM!"-style messaging and I have to admit that it can still be an inspiring source of spiritual strength, even if I don't currently believe it to be anything more than a Bible fanfic.
But Mormonism also has a downside. Yes, you absolutely get a strong sense of community that you won't find anywhere else. Mormon girls are all qts, especially in Utah, and their standards for men are all pretty low...I've seen plenty of fucking hot women end up with these dweeby looking faggots because they're "temple-worthy priesthood holders". If you're gonna commit to the faith, you've gotta give up tea, coffee, and booze along with tobacco and pot. You're gonna have to give them 10% of your income, but like another user said, it's actually a leg up if you're in a heavily Mormon-dominated area and being a good practicing Mormon will get you into a lot of places you wouldn't be able to get into otherwise.
The worst parts? For me, at least, is the intense authoritarianism in Mormonism. It's like Catholicism on crack. Mormon leaders are NOT to be questioned, and they can cuck out a lot. You might find yourself having a hard time reconciling Mormon doctrine with what you personally believe. You will forever be intellectually and spiritually limited to a restrictive dogma
Holy shit, I didnt know they couldnt drink tea.
...cont'd
Here's the deal, though...you know how a lot of stuff on Sup Forums is now about finding redpills and uncovering the lies that (((they))) have used to shape our world? Mormonism is no different. The amount of straight up unhistorical bullshit that they propagate about their early history, and especially about Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, is off the fucking charts.
All in all though, they're pretty good people as a whole. Yeah, there's a lot of janky shit that happens, just like in any other religion where people have authority positions. The difference is that your average Mormon is a pretty decent person just trying to do their best in the world.
Utah Mormons are a special breed in that they've all been living in a bubble where their faith is the predominant one. A lot of Mormons in Utah are pretty sheltered and insular, and can be a bit standoffish without knowing it because a lot of them have a tendency towards being "holier than thou." I can also say that things have changed a lot in Utah over the last few years and it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. Utah is a beautiful, safe, prosperous place, and you have the Mormons to thank for that. I used to live in Tacoma, WA, and I genuinely felt the need to conceal carry every time I went outside. Here in Utah, I haven't carried since I moved back, save for one or two times, because I genuinely feel safe here.
Anyways, there's my two cents. Know what you're getting in to if you go the full conversion route. I was a missionary myself once. But the amount of bullshit and covering-up the LDS church does about its early history was what ultimately led me out of it, because "God's one true and restored church" shouldn't be lying about their own past if they're really "true" and "restored."
I should caveat that as tea from a tea leaf. Herbal tea is fine.
the church isn't that white anymore-- step out of the 90's
thaaaaaaank you! Good reply!!
20 years later
they've been changing their ways.
Mormonism is faggotry. Kys.
Least degenerate group of white people on earth.
I've been tempted to join LED for the community alone. Not sure how they'd react when I'd tell them that their book is insane and retarded. Otherwise fantastic group though. Ex's family was into it. Basically white Jews.
>patronize inside the group
>strong sense of community
>aren't complete faggots
Apparently they have no problem with taking violent measures to protect their people (vice doc of lds in mexicoll. Un-cucked Christians I suppose.
>polygamy
>faggots
Pick one you retard.
NP Norsebro.
Even though I've been out of the Mormon faith for a few years now, I definitely find myself appreciating the way I was raised in it. They have great values, they have gorgeous women, and some of their teachings are really fucking weird but overall they have a good community. We've all gotta find our spiritual path, and Mormon dogma was just too restrictive for me.
DESU I'd also highly recommend coming to Utah. Partially because it's a good, conservative place full of guns and preppers and also a sense of mutually helping each other out, but also because it's legitimately one of the most beautiful places in the United States and there's just insane amounts of stuff to do here.
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"""white"""
nice trips, satan.
Herbal tea's always been a pretty kosher thing as far as I've understood it -- and mind you, I've spent the majority of my life in Utah Valley, which is kind of like the Airstrip One of Mormonism
Bullshit. I'd trust trailer trash before I'd trust the average Mormon. Seriously all the ones I've met have been closet assholes and backstabbers. They won't stand up for anything if it risks their contrived reputations.
Yeah, that's really what they are. They're the white version of Jews without all the sliminess and backstabbing. Mormons are inclined to look at you as a prospective convert and therefore treat you with respect, whereas Jews are inclined to look at you as a goyim who's only meant to serve the Chosen People
If you could get the values without the dogma, it'd be a great organization.
okay Elder Jamal. so the church has you lurking Sup Forums doing their new cyber missions
As a baptized and confirmated lutheran protestant (Scandinavia!!!!!) I suppose the idea of ''each man his own pope'' is kind of strong with me: I'd rather live with a christian society that acutally makes me happy in terms of social issues rather than staying with a church that turns around with the wind..
First and foremost, Mormons burn in hell for all of eternity when they die. Now I'm guessing you're an atheist so this doesn't phase you in the slightest, but when you one day stand before God the tears will pour down your face when you get sent to hell for because you were a lover of pleasure more than a lover of God, did not worship in spirit and in truth, and rejected the Gospel in favor of some mentally ill false prophet's cult because some of the women happen to be pretty.
Also, like the Jerhovah's Witnesses, they are actually really strict and rigidly enforce social conformity to put on a show for the outside world even though internally a lot of them are miserable. Plus if you don't want churches infected with liberalism you need to go the fundamentalist route, but with Mormonism they mirror everything bad about the Roman Catholic church except sprinkle in some bizarre dietary rules, polygamy, and child molestation.
But if you are just an atheist looking to infiltrate a church please do join the Mormons or the Catholics and be a poison to them on the inside.
Eagle Scout here who spent over a decade in an LDS troop (parents didn't know it when they signed me up as a cub scout, it was just the closest place).
I was in their church once/twice a week, and camping trips every month. Everyone but me was a Mormon, other scouts and leaders. They are some of the nicest people I've come to know, never pushed their religion on me. The church paid for everything (I didnt even know boy scouts had to fund raise with popcorn like girl scouts hocked cookies). A win for my parents: camping trips were devoid of caffeine/candy and we always came back Saturday night (they cant do shit on Sunday). The leaders were all family men who took me under their wing (absentee father) and had big families of their own.
I've always had a soft spot in my heart for the Mormons. I don't think I could be one (not much into organized religion), but if I have a son I'd want him in a Moron troop for the values I gained.
>bonus question: what exactly is that difference between Utah mormons and other mormons?
Not much. Non-Utah Mormons can be a bit more laid back but are no more or less devout individually.
This. Some of this stuff could have been dictated by L.Ron in his spare time.
t h i s
this is where the church is.
the church is blacking ,yellowing and browning whites.
1886 mormon is dead
1836*
The book of Mormon says the opposite though faggot
You believe your retarded book, they believe their retarded book
You have no reason to believe your retarded book over theirs
LDS blacked
No, this is where the church goes.
You don't have to be religious to find archeological evidence in one book and zero evidence of the Mormon book. Idiot.
all one "family"
truth hurts mo-mos
Even though Mitt is a megacuck he has an ideal family and the 1950s Dad-look and voice down pat.
you mean like all the archaeological evidence that totally contradicts the events of the Old Testament folklore?
exactly this.
somehow I'd suspect that sending a bunch of 18-year-olds to Sup Forums to sift through loli porn and find prospective converts isn't exactly on their priority list...
Yeah man, their strength and weakness is that they don't really "turn with the wind" except for in controversial matters that they think will end up netting them less converts -- like how they banned blacks from authority positions until 1980 or how they're starting to soften their stance on gays now. The LDS church is run like a business, and the more people they convert worldwide, the more tithing income they get, even if 60% of those new converts end up falling away from the church within the first year.
But DESU that's really why I moved back to Utah: I may not believe in it anymore but I also would rather live in a strong christian society that I feel happy in.
one thing I have learned about being on the internet over the years is any discussion about Mormons and their practices will result in me getting perma banned soon afterwards for some minor infringement of site rules, Mormons believe in very weird shit and you are only scratching the surface by reading any readily available materials you need to talk to big league Mormons
>What is wrong with me?
Im guessing you are so desperate for meaning/belonging and a 1950s lifestyle you'd be willing to delude yourself or at least pretend to believe in one of the more bizarre and controlling religions around.
>what exactly is that difference between Utah mormons and other mormons?
Aside from the street cred they get for being close to the original church (think of how arabs are treated in Islam compared to blacks and asians) they dont have the same bunker mentality foreign mormons often do however the reach and influence of the Church means that being shunned has more serious consequences.
they wouldn't be the only ones
They do know how to handle rabble rousers. Pic related is a feminist who converted to Mormonism with the intent of destroying it from within by infecting it with feminism. The church gave her several chances to stop causing trouble and to confirm. She refused. They excommunicated her. Game over.
Flip the D and the S around, and I'll fucking sign up any day.
America is not a white country
Become a mormon user. It's the last implicit stand of whiteness
Utah Mormons are mixing and spics have invaded Utah; yes even Utah valley, there is a growing number of blacks too.
"se hable espanol" signs in front of it's churches.
BYU being multicultural could be partly to blamed for the church growing more ethnic, even in Utah.
the LDS church just wants membership to grow.
Active Mormon here who wasn't raised in the church.
Mormons emphasize family/community heavily.
The manual still recommends against interracial marriage (but allows it).
Your wife will be a virgin when you get married.
I don't think the leaders will cuck on gay marriage (if they do, I'm out).
Opposes baby murder.
Opposes (((porn))).
No drugs, alcohol, or caffeine.
No degenerate gambling.
No piercings/tattoos/beards (your body is a temple).
Only about 25% vote liberal (stupid women).
Very interested in genealogy (preserving white purity).
Always prepared for emergencies (unlike blacks).
Everyone is well-dressed, well-spoken, and well-educated (BYU).
They all gravitate towards freemasonry, correct?
Then I expect the same Babylonian shit.
>whiteness
>mormon
pick one
What does your ideal wife look like? Another ex-mormon who has the same beliefs as you?
>muh cherrypicked outlier image
>"gotchya!!!!"
kys
Weak ass bitch tit nigger lovers preaching the sky zombie.. fml please kys, all of you faggots
that's actually exactly what I have...my wife is an ex-mormon who has more or less the same beliefs as me.
they are really mixing with the Lamanites these days
go to your church's websites
just search: "mormon family"
Mormonism and Islam are the same except Mormons are respectable and won't kill you.
I've always thought of Mormons as white Islam, without all the derp and ka-boom.
Lamanites arent a race in the same way that barbarians are not a race
Elder Jamal btfo
This, the only Mormon I ever knew personally for very long kept trying to convert me away from converting to Catholicism, and I'd just subtly fuck him by adding Catholic stuff to that too. "Did you know LDS ships were the first in the Japanese docks after the tsunami?" "Yeah, I think it's important for churches to be charitable. I'm really glad that churches like LDS and the Catholic Church are really the only force of good in the world".
I'm happy about it.
Why would you join the only verifiably proven wrong religon.
Whatever benefits you get will be outweighed with constant people calling to ur house 24/7 having to go on a mission and the tithe shit. Might as well join scientology.
I'm Mormon and I drink like every weekend.
The religion, like all man made ones, is false.
However if you are conservative, with a strong focus on family and community, then you'll love it. If you're from Denmark, then paying into the church wont be anything new.
What do you mean Utah Mormons? The actual LDS church, or the polygamists?
That's the equivalent of
"I'm Catholic, but I have sex outside of marriage sometimes".
Just fuck out of the religion or stay in and follow the rules. This one floosey was trying to convince me to stray, and she said "I know Catholics that masturbate so they don't have sex", and I was like, "YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING EITHER YOU IDIOT!"
>If you could get the values without the dogma, it'd be a great organization.
Without Mormon dogma, or without any kind of spirituality at all?
>I'm Mormon
Ironically I assume
It's like, dude, if you want to drink so bad, just become Catholic.
lucky. Did you meet her after she had already left or did you know her before?
Nothing wrong with the brotherhood of NOD. Peace through power my friends, peace through power
I guess the missionaries fooled you.
If you are a Mormon, the American Indians are the remnants of the Lamanites.
They are a race, according to Mormon teachings.
self-proclaimed
The dogma. All dogmatic, hierarchical religion is ripe for selective interpretation.
>creepy
it's their naivety.
>Mormonism
Its not Christian. They have a character in their belief system named Jesus, but it's not the same Jesus in the bible
It is cult-like. It uses the same cult tactics as wacko cults, but to a lesser degree.
They really do produce families that seem to love each other more and stick together.
Some people join just for the better family, but it's a cult so that's kind of retarded
I grew up in an area with heavy Mormon population. They were all very nice and welcoming but the older kids would usually be super rebellious against their parents. I'm guessing the parents are too overbearing when they're younger.
Nah, it becomes incoherent in the BoM if you believe they are a race.
For instance they had that chapter were they were infiltrating lamanite land and managed to get by the watchmen because a former lamanite could speak for them - ie the thing that was going to reveal them was not their skin colour or bone structure but their accent.
Anything is ripe for selective interpretation, people will believe what they want to believe. Look how many variants of communism there are. But a lot of people want structure, and want to think their lives have meaning. Religion provides that for many.
Actually it's the other way around; LDS is about restoring the original church of Jesus. The other "Christian" groups made up their own phony interpretations to corrupt Christianity.
so American Indians aren't of their own race?
>Crazy magic underwear.
To be fair, Jews do this too.
>Christianity is about truth
Except for all the lies.
>norwegian flag
>wants to be moron
You just won yourself a ticket to Birkenau my dear friend, please step onto my train it will take you to your resort.
Jævla mongo
>magic
They are are however it doesnt make sense to use it as a synonym for lamanite not only for the story i mentioned earlier but also because it wouldnt make sense for them to be known as Laman and Lemuels descendants (unless all the native americans came over as well)
So they are just like all the other loony Prottie groups in the US. Sorry guys, but Catholics/Orthodox are the only apostolic churches, no matter what memes you make up.
I have no personal experience with them, but my very Catholic mother has met a group of Mormons in her former job (she was running a hunting lodge/restaurant) and she was amazed how nice they were.
op is a beta bitch moron boy on his mission while his elders are fucking his mom and sister
GO BUY THIS INSTEAD pic related
You're the reason religion is repulsive.
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