I started a thread last week on Solzhenitsyn’s book and it sent the commies into overdrive.
>regular anti-commie thread >commies don't even bother to show up >based Archipelago thread >commie damage control everywhere
I would like to start up a daily/weekly book club thread on the three volumes of Gulag. It is an important, powerful book. If you are interested in 20th Century history or interested in the future of humanity - this book is required reading. Although this book played a significant role in the dissolution of the Soviet Union, its primary importance is the message it proclaims to the present and to the future. Its message transcends time and place: It reveals the weakness of human character and the strength of the human spirit. It demonstrates the dangers of powerful government, the fragileness of individual freedom, and the never-ending battle between them.
This book is a masterpiece. It is at once despairing and optimistic, tragedy and comedy. This is one of the most powerful books I have ever read. At times I was saddened by human cruelty. At other times I was amazed by acts of courage and determination. And at other times I simply laughed out loud. This is the kind of book that forces you to look into your own heart and to think about how you can become a force for good in your world - at least it did that for me. I dedicate this to all those who did not live
>At the conclusion of the conference, a tribute to Comrade Stalin was called for. Of course, everyone stood up (just as everyone had leaped to his feet during the conference at every mention of his name). ... For three minutes, four minutes, five minutes, the stormy applause, rising to an ovation, continued. But palms were getting sore and raised arms were already aching. And the older people were panting from exhaustion. It was becoming insufferably silly even to those who really adored Stalin.
>However, who would dare to be the first to stop? … After all, NKVD men were standing in the hall applauding and watching to see who would quit first! And in the obscure, small hall, unknown to the leader, the applause went on – six, seven, eight minutes! They were done for! Their goose was cooked! They couldn’t stop now till they collapsed with heart attacks! At the rear of the hall, which was crowded, they could of course cheat a bit, clap less frequently, less vigorously, not so eagerly – but up there with the presidium where everyone could see them?
>The director of the local paper factory, an independent and strong-minded man, stood with the presidium. Aware of all the falsity and all the impossibility of the situation, he still kept on applauding! Nine minutes! Ten! In anguish he watched the secretary of the District Party Committee, but the latter dared not stop. Insanity! To the last man! With make-believe enthusiasm on their faces, looking at each other with faint hope, the district leaders were just going to go on and on applauding till they fell where they stood, till they were carried out of the hall on stretchers! And even then those who were left would not falter…
Nolan Perry
2/2
>Then, after eleven minutes, the director of the paper factory assumed a businesslike expression and sat down in his seat. And, oh, a miracle took place! Where had the universal, uninhibited, indescribable enthusiasm gone? To a man, everyone else stopped dead and sat down. They had been saved!
>The squirrel had been smart enough to jump off his revolving wheel. That, however, was how they discovered who the independent people were. And that was how they went about eliminating them. That same night the factory director was arrested. They easily pasted ten years on him on the pretext of something quite different. But after he had signed Form 206, the final document of the interrogation, his interrogator reminded him:
>“Don’t ever be the first to stop applauding.”
Jackson James
bump and seconded.
Adam Gomez
>Arrest were also in the tens of millions, they would arrest the wife and her husband and send the children to an orphanage and send the old folks to labor camp.
>You were arrested by a religious pilgrim you put up for the night, you were arrested by a meter man who has come to read your electric meter. You are arrested by a bicyclist who you run into on the street, by a railway conductor, a taxi driver a savings bank teller, the manager of a movie theater, any one of them can arrest you.
>Even in the fever of epidemic arrests, when people leaving for work said farewell to their families every day, because they could not be certain they would return at night, even then almost no one tried to run away and only in rare cases did people commit suicide. And that was exactly what was required, a submissive SHEEP.
Aiden Gutierrez
Commies are fucking retarded. They try to get people into power who then use that power to kill them, or the reactionary forces against their retardedness get into power and kill them.
I can guarantee 95% of normies that read this book would have their whole world view shattered on leftist ideologies and see it for what it really is. This book has changed the world once, lets make it change it gain.
Wyatt Wright
Vol 1:
Solzhenitsyn spends the majority of the first volume explaining exactly how the Soviets developed a court system that allowed them to jail anyone at any time for anything. Then cited all the information directly from Lenin's and Kirlenko's own autobiographies. Which is why it is so haunting because the phrases and words they used to jail people then sound exactly like modern progressives today.
Then he explained how the gulags came about almost exactly as the workers revolt ended. Leninhad a massive Gulag system by the time he died. Stalin just made it bigger. All these could be refuted if the Soviets allowed a free press. Which they didn't. So, there's no real rebuttal to the GA except for government lies. Which it seems many here are quick to suck up.
Kayden Wilson
Thanks user.
Benjamin Flores
Just snagged it on Audible so I can listen to the book during long drives or the bath
Asher Anderson
Previous bread
Bump
Aaron Rogers
Finished Volume 1, thought it was great
That book really opened my eyes, I now believe communism is truly the work of the devil. Should be required reading for everyone on this board
Evan Garcia
Have you started it yet?
Carson Brown
where can I buy a good translation?
Eli Long
2nd hand on Amazon is like 2 dollars. I downloaded it for free on mobilism. It has literally every book imaginable for free in various formats.
Andrew Thomas
Likewise. It changed me. This book could truly change the world. Twice.
Easton Stewart
I just got the abridged version
Daniel White
How much have you read?
Brandon Morris
I want to get a nice copy but I also want to make sure it has the author's annotations. Didn't see any for $2 though,
Sebastian Richardson
Apologies, I was looking at Pt.1 not volume 1. The ePub I downloaded had the the author's annotations.
>nazis kill 60 million and plenty of evidence is available to prove it they wuz gud bois dindu nuffin this is jewish propaganda m-muh white genocide >glorious soviet leadership imprisons some traitors fucking commies reeeee
Easton Lopez
Disprove even 1 line in the book.
William Bell
Just started it today. This was written inside my used copy.
Carter Johnson
>this post can stay for now, because of some really good discussion. But keep in mind that this infamous death camp system is a fabrication created by semitic western propagandists. It should give you an indication of how regressive the US is by comparison to Germany, by showing the US currently still runs slave labor camps in 2017. Secondly, the majority of deaths in "death camps" were from food shortages during WWII.
Elijah Moore
>Is... is this that "food" stuff we pretend to have in our propaganda?
Ian Flores
I haven't read it yet, but have read One Day in the Life of Ivan. I understand that communism doesn't work, but couldn't the same have happened under monarchism or fascism? It seems like the solution is an eventual stateless society.
Landon Wilson
Using our arguments regarding concentration camps for their bullshit. These people are disgusting.
Kayden Gray
time to move to the next one
Matthew Smith
that's pretty cool user. Did you have problems finding a "complete" or "unedited" version? I remember when looking to buy them, one of the 3 parts was much harder to get than the others, and abridged versions seemed to miss this part out. (ps i might be thinking of another book entirely)
Justin Taylor
keep cucking yourself goy
Angel Rivera
I'm glad his kid made it out of Russia
Jace Jackson
>mfw this thread is a commie magnet
Blake Johnson
Leftypol on damage control
Evan Ward
>1960, an actually prosperous period >actually Kek even commies realize that this wasn't the norm
Colton Howard
Such a great book. I agree that this book can change the world. Should be mandatory reading for all of the people that call themselves communists in our day and age.
Charles Torres
How do I get such aesthetic handwriting?
Kayden Myers
Just about to start reading this, wish me luck lads
Aiden Thompson
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Gabriel Robinson
200 Years Together- Complete and Uncensored 2017 Incorrect Library 1st Edition
Give me 1 prolonged period in history when Russia was better for the average citizen than WE or NA, I bet you couldn't find one because it doesn't exist. The SU, compared to the rest of Russian history had the best living and economic conditions for the average person, with current living conditions in Russia only now, ~30 years later, reaching the levels during the late SU.
Isaiah Reed
this is what comes to mind wtf... sounds just like a post you'd read on Sup Forums if you switch some minor nouns
Henry Stewart
>compared to the rest of Russian history had the best living and economic conditions for the average person If we starved all the poor to death our average living and economic conditions would go up too
Ayden Mitchell
You'd best be a false-flagger for our side. I sincerely wish to kill these words you speak.
Wyatt Nelson
Thanks.
David Jones
Were the camps intially established for political dissidents and only later expanded for the utility of slave labour or were they made with the slave labour in mind in the first place?
Nathaniel Cruz
Keep posting your favorite excerpts from the book OP, if you don't mind. Have you read his other book: Two Hundred Years Together? It's on my list, but I'd love your summary, highlights etc.
Xavier Long
>german >asking about the nature of the camps Do I seriously need to redpill you on the holohoax OP?
Juan Hughes
I read camps too fast and assumed we are talking Nazis not Bolsheviks.
Daniel James
You can try books by Solonevich instead "Russia in concentration camp", "Dictature of the scum", "Dictature of the impotents" Great source for destroying ideology of leftist scum, and practical methods of recognizing and predicting them
Isaac James
an actual damage controlling commie normie. Now I've seen everything.
Cameron Rivera
Happens, especially on here.
Jack Clark
> The SU, compared to the rest of Russian history had the best living and economic conditions for the average person At what point?
Eli Morgan
>the fragileness of individual freedom fragility
Jeremiah Lopez
you should try to read Two Hundred Years Together to
Brody Lopez
Commies think a couple academic writers solved all the evils, large and small, of the human species while sitting at the comfort of their desks with pens in their hands over the span of a few years.
It's literally a fucking cult.
Landon Clark
Nice argument there, care to make some more? :^)
Austin Martin
No, life expectancy would drop and mortality rates would go up. Next. And yet it's true. Russia GDP/Capita in current USD: 1990 - 3485 2004 - 4109 2016 - 8700 15 years for a recovery, but with much higher inequality, median income being around ~3600USD/year. Life expectancy: 1990 - 69 2009 - 69 2017 - 71 19 years for a recovery and stagnation since 2009. t. World Bank stats. Not even taking into account alcoholism, STDs, abortions, drug consumption, etc. ~60s to 90s. Modern Russia was better during the 2005-2008 period. Currently it could go either way.
Asher Campbell
As a guy who doesn't read very often, would this book be a tough read?
You're obviously a brainlet so this book would be right up your alley
Elijah Martin
Reading isn't tough user. Have a large cup of coffee(filter the water first) (((fluoride))) Do some pushups in between chapters. It's easy kek. Truly God's way.
Andrew Cox
Also dont try to aggrandize communism because Russia was a shit show for a long time. That's what let it happen actually. Freeing all the serfs etc. Basically created a big impressionable group of blank slates that could be propagandized. Things were bad so the rabble would turn to anything.The "People's" movements openly instructed students etc to propgandize the freed serfs. Only God knows what sort of super power Russia would be if they hadn't gone off the goddam rails after the turn of the century.
Tyler Brown
get the audiobook and listen while you drive nigga
Jayden Garcia
>cite a It Was Real In My Mind: The Book >commies call you on your bullshit >commies on damage control LMAOOOO
Benjamin Evans
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Benjamin Wood
From the 1820 to 1917, Tsarist Russia arrested ~3900 citizens from a variety of social classes for sedition against the government. That's about 1 arrest a week. In 1938, at the height of Stalin's Great Purge, historians estimate that the NKVD was arresting 1000 people a day. Many of these people were beaten, tortured, forced into labor camps, or outright killed after a show trial, or more likely, an extra-judiciary NKVD tribunal. At least the average Russian peasant didn't have to fear his entire family being murdered because he didn't clap while Stalin's goons stole his entire harvest. At least a Russian peasant could avoid the murderous paranoia of a madman that, as we know because of the Gulag Archipeligo, was a direct result of the legal and philosophical framework of Communism.
So yeah, maybe Tsarist Russia didn't have wealth built on the backs of forced labor camps and the outright theft of property, but Tsarist Russia also lacked a lot of great evils to compensate.
Evan Rodriguez
Prove that this book is It Was Real In My Mind tier
Austin Myers
I love how they praised his works on the horrors of communism and then tryed to hide his works on the jews under the rug.
It's also how (((they))) attempt to discredit him in certain university spheres. Anyone who dismisses the Gulag Archipeligo because they say Solzhenitsyn is an anti-semite is a confirmed communist. You'll note that anyone who says he's an anti-semite never actually bothers to refute any of his claims, they just foam at the mouth and yell anti-semitism until the debate ends. It's a distraction strategy.
Adrian Adams
>The Gulag Archipelago This book only became relevant after Jordan peterson fan boys came here.
>some christcuck told me its true >ITS TRUE!
Josiah Murphy
>He doesn't understand that the average goes up when you remove a lot of the lowest values from your data set
Jordan Russell
Almost like Jews have a vendetta against communism and the soviet union and gain the most from global capitalism
Liam Reed
Didn't mostly commies die in the gulags? why the fuck would I feel bad for dead commies they got what they deserved.
Jews have created, financed, and supported communism for centuries. You are a kike shill.
Xavier Collins
I wouldn't even bother trying to debate these brain dead chimps man. Most of them are just Molymeme or jordan peterson fan boys that came here on a bandwagon.
>IF MY E-CELEB MASTER AGREES WITH IT! >I AGREE WITH IT!
Josiah James
>I know nothing about jews: the post
Gabriel Foster
>when the holocaust definitely killed 6 million and anyone who questions this is an anti-semite but the holodomor never happened commies are dindus
Eli Hernandez
It's mostly top-tier propaganda m8
Dylan Smith
>oh shit, we got called out >retreat and mention Holodomor Yes, there was a famine. No, it wasn't maliciously deliberate.
Asher Williams
>So yeah, maybe Tsarist Russia didn't have wealth built on the backs of forced labor camps and the outright theft of property, but Tsarist Russia also lacked a lot of great evils to compensate. Tsarist and later Imperial Russia had the Siberian exile system where criminals, rebels, etc. were sent to Siberia into forced labor. Russian govts using forced labor is nothing new and most Russian govts end up using very similar governance methods out of necessity no matter the ideological inclinations. economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21705305-prison-without-roof if you can't be bothered to read history books this is relatively short. Sup Forums and westerners in general always tend to believe that the USSR was radically different from the Empire when it was just a continuation of that empire. >kill poor guy at 40 >average trends toward 40 >let poor guy live until 50 >average trends toward 50 You can stop any time.
Liam Barnes
Lol get a load of these holocaust deniers.
James Nelson
Having the government seize all your crops isn't a famine. Stop lying.
Justin Bailey
>commeieclaps
Jaxson Jenkins
>muh 66 gorrillion bolshevik
Charles Mitchell
>dude communism is so BASED bro >like BASED stalin bro >like fuck my parents bro i'm so BASED find the nearest noose and hang yourself from it It doesn't matter whether or not communism is backed by Jews ; it wants the same things that Jews want : the destruction of white nations, of culture, heritage, family, race. And by the way, yes, Jews have supported communism in huge proportions. MARX HIMSELF was a JEW! THE BOLSHEVIKS were JEWS! And who CONSTANTLY pushes leftist propaganda in our media? Oh right, the JEWS!
Chase Adams
So his wifes word is just as valid as his because she survived the gulags as well right? Not to mention that (((conveniently))) his wife discredited him after his death.
Carter Ward
>D E N I A L
Asher Peterson
It's long winded. Get the audiobook. Let me know if you would like a link.
Sebastian Cruz
>Thinks im a communist Nah its just this place is filled with trash that just regurgitates e-celeb talking points. Leftypol has become higher quality then this hellhole now
Cooper Flores
It's always been relevant since the day it was published, you fucking mong
Michael Jackson
So was it deliberately incompetent or accidentally malicious? There are pics of murdered people comrade, how do you explain them?
Robert Foster
please 90% of you glorified trashcans didn't know about it till peterson used it as a reference in every single one of his talking points
John Ortiz
living and economic conditions =/= life expectancy Why are you defending a different statistic to the ones you originally brought up?