Why doesn't free healthcare work in the US again? It works in the UK, Canada, other eu countries

Why doesn't free healthcare work in the US again? It works in the UK, Canada, other eu countries.

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Is that why they come here for health service when they have a critical surgery that will result in death if they have to wait a year?

Canadians yes people from UK I haven't really heard of...

the healthcare system needs price controls.
the hospitals are essentially practicing legal price gouging. healthcare should not be so expensive that I need inusrance

I've heard of it, and I believe the UK actually just passed a law stating that smokers and the obese will not get non-critical surgeries anymore until they prove they have either quit smoking or lost weight.

And by the way, the Canadian supreme court just ruled that their healthcare system was killing so many people every year it was a human rights violation to not have private healthcare for those who want to pay for it.

lol 50,000 Canadians a year go to the US for healthcare.

So Canadian healthcare only works for 99.9% of Canadians.

Enjoy bankrupting yourself for insurance jew you obese piece of shit!

I've talked to Canadians who would be happy to pay $10 for a blood test instead of having to wait 6 months.

>Why doesn't free healthcare work in the US again?

>waiting 6 months for a blood test

nigga you can do that at a walk in clinic kill yourself.

I have to wait a month to see a doctor for just a general visit. There is no supply and demand to regulate the supply. It's a political decision that is needed to regulate where doctors move etc. I overheard someone talking yesterday that their aunt got lucky that there was only a couple of months of waiting time to get a new hip. Waiting times are the problem and waiting to get a health issue fixed is serious.

It works in places where people don't mind their government making healthcare decisions for them. Americans like to be in control of their own lives.

>putting jimbob rascal and tyrone biggums in charge of their healthcare
>surprised when 60% of america is overweight

Wow, nice job making stuff up

Americans didn't care about this weird John Birch / Austrian economics mumbo jumbo in the early 20th Century.

The USA has always had a strong government. People like Paul Ryan manipulate national myths, so that low wage whites end up indirectly shilling for Wall Street.

Libertarian sentiment is mainly popular because whites don't want to have money confiscated and given to blacks who hate them for being white. These free market clowns think there's an earth shattering difference between an overall tax take of 30% and 35%.

Free? Whose paying for it

Talk to your parents. They'll tell you what it was like to have price controls during the 70s and 80s

Yes, that sounds about right. Most people do not have life threatening surgeries all the time.

50k Canadians PER YEAR need a critical life threatening surgery in which they can not afford to wait a year.

>Having to wait 6 months for a blood test

Oh we just going to start making up random facts? Cool. At least in Canada we don't need to pay a brazillion dollars and suck a black mans cock in order to find out if we have a cold.

It works in other countries because when the government says it's going to take 2 years to get a cure you need in 2 months, you can fly to the US to get the best healthcare in the world immediately.

In the US emergency rooms have to treat you regardless if you can pay or not. Homeless people have figured out they can call an ambulance and get a free meal once a day. It's costing emergency rooms millions of dollars a year.

Read this:

talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-1993-kristol-memo-on-defeating-health-care-reform

For Republicans to accept a Universal healthcare system more subsidized and provided by the Government, they would be going against the grain against their current ideology a lot. It would be like Liberals embracing segregating blacks again--it would only be possible if they made huge concessions to their beliefs, because without doing so they would be very inconsistent in them.

because the USA is only 55% white and dropping.
i don't want my taxes to help leeching niggers anymore than it already is.

Do you have a source for that user? Make sure your source says they would die without that surgery user.

Technical brilliance.
Social blindness.

Public healthcare is the most efficent policy. South korea already went through the entire insurance vs public debacle, and public won.

Only for some random 1 in a billion rare condition experimental procedure.
And even that wouldn't be covered by most US health insurance policies.

>But why muh pay for muh other peeeple. Muh jesus.

Wrong. it takes precisely 3 decades to see the average sheboon Shaqandafandawanda affirmative action hired doctor to be treated for gun shot wounds you got at the average McDonalds mass shooting, just to receive a bill for millions of burger dollars. No one comes here to get treated.

You're already cucks, just submit and go 100%. If you're going to do something, do it right.

It would be really bad if people were coming here for less. An even greater blemish on the reputation of your system.

Damn. Well said. Sup Forums is a confusing place you get comments like this and then a legion of people shilling for wall street.

Exactly. Non-critical.

Now lets go through the cost and all the limitations of your a
average healthcare plan.

The state of obesity and opioid addiction in your country lad.

Do you really think those costs will come down when government is in charge? When government does nothing BUT waste money? Government jobs are merely high paid, well benefitted do nothing jobs, which are given to worthless people who are liked by politicians. When government is in charge, prices will explode, and the quality of care will decrease. Monopoly theory applies to government as well as the private sector. When there is no competition, there is no pressure to improve quality and decrease cost. Government, on the other hand, is always a non value added cost. If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until you see how expensive it is when it is free.

So you don't have a source? Wow imagine that. End your life faggot.

Says the guy who wipes his ass with his hand.

Blacks and Hispanics cost too much

I mean, just look at the graph. Can you read the graph?

It is like talking to a child.
I just told you that if they weren't coming for anything less than a life threatening situation, it would be WORSE. I literally took the most conservative situation because it is best for your argument.

You're a teenager aren't you. I can tell.

Almost as if the far-right is funded and shilled by large right-wing donors!

See, lobbying works!
>muh commies!

how come you don't get charged fee's for basic services by the police and public k-12 schools?

The number of people that come from europe to us for healthcare is negligible.

You can't even provide a source saying they are coming in the first place you retard.

There are too many profit centers in the American system. Figure that out, shit becomes more reasonable.

Says the guy who has no clue what a bidet is.
>Muh tissue paper cleans everting I am clean!

Yes, I can. Do you not realize that the greatest part of the US spending is due to actions of government? Do you not understand that overall spending will skyrocket once government is in charge? How the hell did you manage to find your way here from the short bus?

why do you think anything should be free, Paco?

Fuck off, shill.

Who is Charlie Gard and how is the UKs health service working for him

It's not controversial. A quick google search will turn up dozens of sources.

nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-travelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds

Even your cucked friends admit it.

See:

It doesnt work here, its a horrible system.

Government inefficency is a myth with very little evidence.

Do you know what % of those seeing specialists that is?

Its 1%, a whole 1%. Good job user you got me.

>Why doesn't free healthcare work in the US again?

Half of our federal budget is spent on "free" healthcare.

If you're complaining about the cost of health care here, you'll find the simple explanation is supply and demand. There's more dollars chasing health care than there are hospitals, doctors, and expensive high tech medical equipment.

Short of imposing slavery and forcing people to build hospitals and medical equipment/supplies and forcing doctors, nurses, techs, and other staff to work for (((free))), I'm not sure how you can legislate away an imbalance of supply and demand.... though you Marxists never cease trying.

Your faith in your god (the government) being able to give you your daily bread and lead you down in green pastures where your cup runneth over is remarkable.

>Why doesn't free healthcare work in the US again?
criminals steal all the money and provide no services

It doesn't
>wanting to be on a waiting list for surgery for over a year
>I have to pay for some fat fuck that won't stop eating, a junkie that won't stop injecting, a smoker that won't stop smoking etc...
Stupid system, encourages unhealthy living at someone elses expense.

Healthcare in Canada is defined as a limited resource. "Free healthcare" is a government monopoly on all healthcare in order to redistrubute healthcare "equally" to the masses. If you want a public system you are de facto accepting that private expenditure is the same as stealing healthcare resources from someone else.

The private US expenditure shows that US citizens will spend money to get more service if the government lets them. The free market argument is that healthcare is an unlimited resource, and that more demand will be served by creating more jobs and services in the market.

So what do you believe OP? Finite resource or Unlimited resource? The truth somewhere in between.

>I'm not sure how you can legislate away an imbalance of supply and demand.
by dictating price, these companies are taking in record profits and providing nothing of comparative value in exchange, it's a fucking hand out

You can't even read his post correctly you nigger. He's saying that 0.01% of Canadians electing to go to the States is not a failure of the healthcare system.

It doesn't fucking work here.

Per year. Not ever, but PER YEAR.

What percent of Canadians do you think have life threatening surgeries that are required per year? Probably 1%.

And yeah, I fucking got you.

>free healthcare
>free
mate, where do you think the money come from?

this.

capitalism is the morally superior system for allocating scarce resources. government rationing of healthcare is just as dysfunctional as government rationing of bread. the main difference being that most healthcare is a waste of money at best anyway, so having government fuck it up isnt such a big deal as fucking up the food supply is.

still, it makes me pretty mad that so much money, human resources, and ingenuity is wasted on giving rapefugees and niggers (white or otherwise) 'free' obesity treatment.

Because its literally gommunism and gommunism doesnt work.

>Government inefficency is a myth with very little evidence.

Try it when your government is no more than make-work jobs for niggers, women, and other otherwise unemployable dregs of society.

Come and visit any government office in this country and you'll see instantly why they should not be relied upon for anything.

Free college, more doctors, cheaper prices.

>It works in the UK, Canada, other eu countries.
It doesn't.

>leafs defending our healthcare itt
Our state run propaganda is pretty powerful here as you can see. I guarantee you no one has had to see a specialist for anything important itt.

EU 510 million, U.S. 320 million. Free healthcare well never work in the U.S. too many people not working, too poor, and too many colored. Maybe state by state but never the whole country.

Because nigger nigger nigger spic welfare queen communist nigger Jew 60 IQ nigger spic subhumans white genocide cuck cuck cuck!!!!!!

it works so well in the uk they had about 1 full year of non stop NHS debates (national healthcare service) about how they cant afford it and now this year they wont do surgery on smokers or fat people to cut cost

also in all cases of universal healthcare you are almost never going to get antibiotics. its to costly. we get them for minor shit and its standard for rape victims to get a battery of different ones in america. not so in europe

Aye, they're probably male feminists.

Its 1% of those seeking specialist treatment per year, not life saving surgery. You don't even have your own country.

content.healthaffairs.org/content/21/3/19.full

All of the evidence we have, however, indicates that the anecdotal reports of Medicare refugees from Canada are not the tip of a southbound iceberg but a small number of scattered cubes. The cross-border flow of care-seeking patients appears to be very small.

>by dictating price

So what will be your rationing device once everything is (((free)))?

>these companies are taking in record profits

Citation needed. Also why aren't you buying stock in whatever evil corporation is making obscene profits so that you can share in all that easy wealth?

>free healthcare

yeah....for Shineshqua and Pedro it's free

It's NOT FREE...nothing is free ya fucking faggot...

>when the government says it's going to take 2 years to get a cure you need in 2 months, you can fly to the US to get the best healthcare in the world immediately.
This is a meme. People go to European countries too.

>One year
The debate on the NHS has been going on for decades pal, it's a shame too many of the electorate want to keep the bleeding animal alive instead of killing it while we still can.

The only thing I rely on the NHS for is the only thing I'm paying.

Because less than 40% of people actually pay federal taxes. You can't make healthcare free in the US without expecting negative outcomes.

And the US isn't some tiny country with a small population of relatively healthy people. The US has a lot of unhealthy fat fucks who make no effort to losing weight. They will only jack up the price of healthcare (meaning higher taxes) if healthcare was free.

Implementing free healthcare will be a total disaster.

>free
You stupid nigger

That has nothing to do with government being efficent or inefficent. If the free market decided to create unnecessary jobs then they’d be equally efficent. Do you know what happens when you have a large number of unemployed people?

I'm sure the number of people who need critical life saving surgeries per year are pretty small.
Most people probably only need one in their life, if ever. Good thing they have America to run to though when they need it though.

It works for them largely because were the one fronting the bill on nearly all medical innovation and research. The United States is only 5% of the world population and yet we’re responsible for nearly 90% of all medical innovations and new drugs. Imagine how shitty healthcare would be if we took away the massive incentive these scientists and companies have to create the next game-changing treatment.

These countries only have the healthcare systems they do because of the American engine driving better, cheaper and safer treatments. We saw life expectancy skyrocket from American innovation. Why would anyone want to stifle that?

This

You are aware of the problems of antibiotics overuse?

And the Canadian government still pays for those outlier cases. While millions of americans are too afraid of going bankrupt to see a doctor about that strange cyst they got from sitting on their ass for 2 weeks straight.

After you wait a year.
Hope you aren't dead by then.

Maybe that's why 50k Canadians pour over the border every single year to get American health care.

>muh Marxism

>be a le 56% pure white burger
>get pissed off that some Liberal College Professor made a smug statement one time after seeing it on FOX news
>"that's it! all government services are only used by free-loading ungrateful unAmerican niggers and spics! Don't they know it's basic economics 101? Ban the government! I don't want my money going to some Shaqwanda'la'fanda!"
>proceed to cut off my elongated pig nose just so I could spit in my own face
>proceed to vote in Republicans who are open amnesty and never actually go all the way cutting government services to spite them niggers, even though the cuts they do make just end up making an inefficient and more costly half-compromised system
>buy subscriptions from neo-liberal newspapers like the WSJ, which are literally only media sources here in the US who outright say they want open borders
>vote for policies that keep most whites poorer, and no labor protections such as maternity leave and make it super expensive to have a baby if you're the one paying, then act surprise when white birth rates are falling
>demand society to be collectively traditional while enacting policies and subscribing to a philosophy of governance neo-individualism because Mr. Goldberg tells you so
>brag that your taxes are 30% of your income and only go to support some niggers and Israel, while paying 20-30% of your income for health insurance, instead of 32% to support a universal healthcare system

Yank doctors giving everyone antibiotics for fucking colds is why you get superbugs you fat retard.

>here is a lot of gibberish without any truth

US also relies on other countries to provide said scientists.

But your government already spends more per capita on health than ours? Yet the NHS covers everyone and your system is only for boomers and the very poor?
I mean the NHS can be shit but where does all that US gov money even go?

>le fat smoker druggie meme
Most health issues are irrelevant to those factors.

Lol so you spray water all over your ass. Pro-tip Ahmed: your ass isn't clean if it's covered in shitty water. Ditto your toilet and floor.

It depends on the scope.

All "free" healthcare systems operate on scarcity. For non critical actions (like rehab, operations etc) in Sweden, 38% of all treatments take over 90 days from doctors order to start of treatment.

As an example we can look at this in the context of waiting times.

In the US the waiting time for a knee replacement (for 75% of the patients) is 2 weeks. In Canada it takes 10 weeks to help 75% of the patients.

Overall, the waiting times for specialist care in the US is very short while in single payer countries it is typically very long.


So that is one reason it can't become fully single payer. The US population would not accept it.

Secondly the US has two huge problems, demographics and regulatory burden.

And unless the former is handled within the current system, it doesn't matter if it is single payer or not, the health care will be too costly. As long as it is "private", it at least won't threaten the country financially.

So healthcare needs deregulation first, and once prices go down there may be a discussion regarding single payer.

Seems like the solution is pretty easy.

Where does Canada get the drugs? Where did Canadian doctors learn to perform the cutting-edge surgeries and methods they perform? Which country is responsible for nearly every medical breakthrough for the last 100 years?

Your neighbors to the south are the ONLY reason you can have the socialized medicine you do. If we moved to a similar system, all of that innovation comes to a grinding halt because people won’t have an incentive to push themselves beyond the limits of what they thought was possible, to come up with the next game-changing treatment or cure.

If the government came to you as a scientist and said “hey we’d like you to try your best to come up with a cure for Alzheimer’s. We’ll pay you around the same we pay other scientists of your experience level”

Now look at America where a biotech company can approach you and ask you to create the same cure, but they say “we’ll pay you 6-figures and give you equity in the company so that if you manage to create this cure, you’ll be filthy fucking rich”

Which scientist do you think is more likely to succeed?

>If we moved to a similar system, all of that innovation comes to a grinding halt
What are you on about? The UK is responsible for a lot of innovation too and we have one of the most communist systems about.

I’m not arguing our scientists are smarter. Your scientists come here because they know they’ll become fucking rich if they create the next game-changer here. There’s no incentive to produce this treatment elsewhere.

Greed is worshiped as a virtue here instead of the evil that it really is.

>also in all cases of universal healthcare you are almost never going to get antibiotics
Sounds like bullshit.

Most research is done in universities which are government funded.