Don't act like you wouldn't succumb to the offer the God Hand made Griffith in his situation
You all would
Crippled. Unable to die by your own hand. Unable to speak. A shell of your old self, your two most beloved , loving in front of you, filling you with jealousy, your dream shattered, hard work torn apart. And then you are offered the ability to fulfill your desires . At the cost of your friends. You wouldn't have to worry about guilt either
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Just because I'd do something doesn't make it right.
The "Right" thing to do doesn't exist.
Everybody is right from their point of view.
of course I'd do it.
Griffith made the right choice for himself. not right for his friends, obviously.
Wah wah, you'd do the same thing! Wah wah, no choice! Wah wah, fate! Wah wah, muh dream! Wah wah, crippled (which is totally not his fault haha).
What's so great about this interp of his character? He's an asswipe who can never own up to his actions. There's never a legit choice for him, only necessity and things that 'can't be helped'. I don't care he's manipulated by a giant evil heart, he's still a huge prick and even if he's an agent of fate, EVERYTHING IS WORKING IN HIS FAVOR.
Fuck Griffith, hope he fails and dies miserably.
Lol are there anons here suggesting they wouldn't? Man it would be such a cathartic experience to rape casca and corrupt her child with guts. Would almost make the whole years going through with torture worth it.
Not that I wouldn't also go bat shit crazy with rage and try to kill Griffith if I was on guts side of the story.
Would I succumb to temptation? Oh definitely. Would I sacrifice my friends? If I could resurrect them as demonic servants, maybe. Would I rape my best friends girl? Fuck no!
God, you are the most fucking stupid kind of person. Your "point of view" doesn't stop you from being wrong. You have the mentality of high school drop outs who are poor and pathetic.
>i- i failed all my tests but it's okay because I still think im smart
I bet you think the answer to 2+2 is subjective.
What is Griffith even trying to do anymore
>Oh no! I can't tolerate the way you think, so you must be really stupid!
Nigga. To quote Will fucking Smith:
>Hitler didn't wake up everyday thinking "What's the most evil thing I can do"
I'll talk in ebonics so maybe you understand. You's a dumb ass hoe if you's is getting matters of subjectivity and objectivity confused n' shiiieeet. Opinions can't be proven wrong, you dumb shit.
i would not fuck the princess so rashly or go there without a weapon in the first place.
They didn't consider him a friend, either. He was just useful to them.
>They're the eyes of a kid who's had his toy taken away. I bet you were planing to carry him up and make something of yourselves again. Too bad it'll never happen. Your precious toy was broken a long time ago.
Rebound and depression is one hell of a drug.
for most of the party sure but guts and caska cared.
True, and Griffith did too. That's how sacrifice works; you can't sacrifice something unless it's "part of your very soul".
>It's my opinion that violent movies causes school shootings
Oh. I guess that can be proven wrong.
>It's my opinion that sex before marriage creates sex maniacs
Whoops. That can be proven wrong too. Quite simply I might add with applied statistics.
>It's my opinion that the cinematography in Citizen Kane is poorly done
This one is about art, and can also be proven wrong.
Opinions can be wrong. Don't think just because it's subjective it's impervious to judgement.
Life is boring and needs magic and monsters in it so it's not so dull. Griffith is a champion that made the right choice.
Id do it without a moments hesitation. Hell, id settle for being a damn apostle
Yeah, take your time being raped by trolls, hope that'll make your life less dull.
No I wouldn't because I want to go to heaven when I die.
Griffith was selfish to the very end, his situation was solely his construction.
I'm pretty excited for the upcoming musou game. It will be the first time I play a full version of that type of game. I've played demos and they don't really do it for me, but a Berserk version is more than enough to get me interested. I can't believe it's going to cover through to the millennium falcon arc.
He didn't have to rape Casca though
The last one can go either way. If your interpretation of good cinematography is about following rules and standards, it would be a different opinion than if you thought that unique and adventurous styles were more important. You may think one opinion is wrong, but they could simply think you are wrong too. That is how these things work.
As for the other two, adding "In my opinion" to a sentence doesn't make it an opinion. The true sentence is "I believe that violent movies causes school shootings" Which is simply you being wrong.
An opinion looks something like this: Your post is shitty.
As for an example of a non-opinion: You have no idea what you are talking about.
Hi, same person.
And no, you're brain damaged levels of stupid because you have a mentality that is flat out wrong. If you think the moon is made out of cheese that doesn't suddenly make it true because it's your point of view.
"the moon is made out of cheese" is a statement. It is not a point of view, it is not a negotiable subject. Either the moon is, or is not made of cheese.
If the moon is made of cheese, then you are correct, if it is not you are wrong. Once given evidence that the moon is in fact, not made of cheese, you cannot say "Well, that's just like your opinion, man." because it MUST be made out of something, and that something has been proven not to be cheese.
"The cheese moon tastes horrendous" is an opinion, as someone might like the taste of moon cheese. Once Wallace and Gromit tell you it tastes awful, the you CAN say "Well, that's just like your opinion, man." because you cannot prove moon cheese is disgusting, as others may like it.
That's not how causality works though. Even now as a Demi-God I think he's gonna get played by something bigger.
He's the one who fucked the princess and got himself caught.
this guy is right
you're all retarded
That's the path faith led him down. He was destined to, by virtue of owning the Behelit have his shit fucked up and left in a moment of complete weakness where he'd definitely use it. The chain of events that lead to him being born, forming the Hawks, recruiting Guts, becoming enamored with him and then ultimately being abandoned and reckt by him was simply the way it was meant to be. He was along for the ride as much as Guts was. The only instance of veering off causality we know of is Guts surviving the Eclipse.
>It is not a point of view
No, it actually is. Just like it's someone else's point of view that murdering innocent people is perfectly fine. "Point of view" is a very, very broad term.
>I like eating shit, so shit taste good
Yup, I bet you think food from a world class five start restaurant is equal to rocks as well.
>xd upboat
This site is not reddit.
It's not a point a view, It's an incorrect belief based on misinformation or an assumption. Just because a person thinks it, doesn't automatically make it an opinion. Objective facts are different than subjective ideas. It might be a bit too complicated for you to understand, but please try.
If you show 100 people a rock and ask them what it is, 100 of them will tell you it's a rock. If you ask 100 people if they think the rock looks nice, you will be very unlikely to get all 100 people to say it's either nice or ugly.
>I bet you think food from a world class five start restaurant is equal to rocks as well.
Some cultures serve bugs as delicacies, so yeah some 5 star food could be shit to me. Also, rocks aren't food. You should have said tree bark or something else edible for your example.
>Objective facts are different than subjective ideas
No fucking shit, you retard. No one said otherwise. The point is that almost literally anything can be a "point of view". That's what perception is.
>It's not a point a view, It's an incorrect belief
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>a mental state held by an agent toward a proposition. Examples of such attitudes are "to believe in something"
It's literally the exact same thing, you fucking retard.
Pic related.
>synonyms
>belief
Just because someone is wrong about what they are saying doesn't mean it's not their point of view. You're a moron.
Oh, and lastly. Some cultures think murdering babies and throw young virgin girls into volcano is perfectly fine. Guess that means there is nothing objectively wrong with doing so.
>No fucking shit, you retard. No one said otherwise. The point is that almost literally anything can be a "point of view". That's what perception is.
Well, you don't seem to be understanding the difference between a fact and an opinion, as you have been acting as if facts are opinions this whole argument. I figured that I had to explain it to you since it was a core error of your argument for several posts, and the reason I even jumped into the middle of this dumb argument.
>Oh, and lastly. Some cultures think murdering babies and throw young virgin girls into volcano is perfectly fine. Guess that means there is nothing objectively wrong with doing so.
Objectively, there is nothing wrong. You are allowed to think it's wrong, I think it's wrong too. But they are allowed to think it's right. Right and wrong are subjective concepts. You simply believe that the general consensus of people's opinions on the matter make it a fact. That belief is false.
Hahah, such fucking stupidity.
Listen, it is an objective fact you are retarded. That is not an opinion.
You're autistic as well, because you can't even understand what other people are saying. Come on, why don't you address the wiki and image I posted? Right, because you know you're wrong.
>you have been acting as if facts are opinions this whole argument.
No, not even close to doing this you fucking retard.
>Right and wrong are subjective concepts
Hahaha. Please, just stop. I'm laughing too hard. Wrong is what receives are negative result. Right is what produces a positive result. 2+2=5. You're wrong. Thus the result is negative.
>b- but facts are not opinions!!!!
Correct, but you're still a retard, because every action has a result and that result can be measured, you just have to know how to do it.
>You simply believe that the general consensus of people's opinions on the matter make it a fact
Pfffft. Can you even tie your shoes or are the velcro? Nothing I said even came close to implying that consensus equals fact.
This is all because you are still trying to cling the retardation of "point of view" and "belief" meaning different things.
Seriously, you're not smart enough for the internet, just go eat some five start rocks or something.
>sells his soul to demons
>sacrifices his allies
>rapes his former bff's waifu in front of him and makes her retarded
>"GRIFFITH DIN DU NUFFIN"
Griffith is an evil and immoral faggot, what he did was wrong.
>Come on, why don't you address the wiki and image I posted?
Because it wasn't what we were talking about, it was a straw man that you set up to distract from the fact that you think that someone believing the moon is made of cheese is as subjective as concepts such as right and wrong.
>Wrong is what receives are negative result. Right is what produces a positive result. 2+2=5. You're wrong. Thus the result is negative.
Mathematics and moral concepts are very different subjects. What is right in a moral sense? Was Kira 'right'? he lowered crime and got positive results. Was L right? he tried to stop a murderer with an insanely dangerous weapon and was instrumental in stopping him. Were they both right? they both got results. What would be a negative outcome? what would be a positive outcome? Who decides? Oh right, we do. With an opinion that can be viewed as right or wrong based on whom views the opinion.
I like anime.
Haha. Please, just stop. You're too much.
That's not what the term strawman means. A strawman is when one person falsely accuses someone of something else and then forms their argument based around that. I addressed exactly what you said. Why is it so hard for you to admit you're just stupid and want really bad to think that you're smart?
>you think that someone believing the moon is made of cheese is as subjective as concepts such as right and wrong. Not to mention, that thinking the moon is cheese a concept of right and wrong. If you think the moon is cheese you are wrong, thus got a negative result.
Right and wrong means "factual" and "nonfactual" you fucking moron. Hah. You're such a laugh.
Also, Kira was right, until he started exploiting and killing people who did nothing wrong. His idea of kill all people who hurt and kill others is perfectly fine, because the lives of those people cause more negative effects than positive effects. That isn't even a hard question to answer.
And, I mean, bro. You're so fucking stupid and dumb that you can't even consistently remember capitalize your sentences. And no, that's not ad hominem.
I knew you were this pathetic, to wait for it to reach page ten and then sage. Thanks for letting me know I won.
I wouldn't. The very existence of the God Hand means there is some form of persistent soul for humans beyond death. I'd sooner be reunited with loved ones in a realmn unreachable by evil than sacrifice them and be alone but powerful.
>I addressed exactly what you said.
You grabbed a word, ignoring the context of the argument, and then pretended it was the focus. A straw man.
>Right and wrong means "factual" and "nonfactual" you fucking moron. Hah. You're such a laugh.
No it doesn't. An instructor can mark on answer wrong even when you have the 'factual' answer 5(5+5)=50 could be marked as wrong for not showing work.
>Kira was in the right, no doubt about that
kay'. I think L was right, because Kira was mad with power and would go the path of destruction.
>you can't even consistently remember capitalize your sentences. And no, that's not ad hominem.
Actually, that is, dumbass. Just saying 'it's not [thing]' doesn't make it not [thing].
I've been using sage for every single post, you mongoloid. Because I'm not a brain dead newshit like you. The fact you couldn't tell I was using sage for every posts shows you don't even know what active thread tracking is, again, proving how stupid and ignorant and new you are. You should also be using sage, but I know you're not smart enough for that.
No, I did not grab a word, I grabbed what you were basing your argument on, and the defense you tried to use multiple times, and proved it wrong.
What an instructor does has nothing to do with what is factually right and wrong. Your example is a faulty syllogism.
You didn't even fully read what I wrote, you mongoloid.
Ahaha, I love how you just feed me more and more ways to mock you. ad hominem is an argumentative tool that means to dismiss someone's argument based on personal traits. Your argument was addressed, then I mocked you for being stupid. And again, because your argument want not dismissed, it was not ad hominem. I love how you just so fucking dumb you don't know anything.
Bumping my post here, about the musou game.
You're trying to argue with someone while using sage, and you think you can call people new?
Fucking retards. Talk about Berserk.
>I've been using sage for every single post, you mongoloid.
But waited for page ten to submit. You aren't fooling anyone.
Your arguments are nothing but 'you are wrong' with insults mixed in. You act as if calling me dumb is some actual point, but you avoid the key points of the argument. You refuse to address the issue of the measurement and quantification of morality, and just spout 'right is right'. While bringing up other subject that are not related, then proceed to goad me when I ignore your pointless sidelining.
You are a coward, afraid to actually talk about the subject at hand. Hide behind your insults and vague appeals to ethos if you wish. This argument is over.
What Griffith did was compreesible. Doesn't make him any less wrong. You're talking as if his actions could be justified, i can understand his motives, but it doesn't change that he was selfish and flat out wrong in his actions. Why rape Casca? Why specially in front of Guts? Simply because after he got better he didn't give a single fuck.
Ahaha, my god you are hilarious. You're now trying to samefag to cover up the fact you are new and stupid.
What? You're not using sage for a totally off topic discussion that has nothing to do with anime? Durrr ur new. Please, just stop, I'm losing my sides here.
And I addressed everything you have said. While you have ignored what I said many times over.
Honestly I would've, he was pretty fucked.
I wouldn't have raped Casca though.
If I'm being completely honest, I would. Aside from raping Casca till she's retarded, I would do the exact same thing. I mean, who wouldn't do that if they were in his situation?
Apostles raped her till she's retarded, Griffith calmed her mind with gentle angel love, so she could forget all the horrors. Guts got cucked anyway.