Vegas Shooting - Eyewitness Accounts

From Oct 3 - dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4945322/Vet-wants-know-cops-took-long-stop-shooter.html

>'It felt like it took them too long to get over there, to take him out,' said Bethel, an Iraq war veteran. 'To get him. And it's actually eating me up inside. I could just hear the gun shots, continuously. Just full automatic,' Bethel told CBS Dallas-Fort Worth. 'There was explosions going off. It was like a bomb just went off man. And then there were more gun shots.'

>He says he called the front desk at the Mandalay Bay, the hotel across the street, and the cops to warn them that the shooter was above him, but says no one answered. Seconds are going by, minutes are going by, the rounds are continuously going,' he said. 'Changing weapons, changing calibers, you can hear the difference in the gunshots.’ As he watched, he saw police responding to the wrong location below. Eventually, he was able to get hold of someone and tell them: 'He's not over there, he's over here'. Police have since credited Bethel with helping them locate the shooter.

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This is what was being said on Oct 2, the day after the shooting. archive.is/TDlbw

>Brad Baker, 38, of Austin, Texas, was in Las Vegas for a conference. 'I think it [the shooter] was on my floor,' he said. 'When they [the police] came into my room, I was totally out - I thought I was in trouble! They yelled at me like, 'Get some clothes on.' I got my shirt on but I left my phone, my wallet. When I came out of my room, they were telling us to run. I saw all the cops with guns. It was crazy. I saw them run up the stairs - there were maybe like six people [police] on our floor. I was on the 32nd floor - they're saying the guy was like four rooms down from me.'

>Another witness said he was in the room next to the gunman when he opened fire. 'I was in room 135 and I heard over the police scanner that the shooting came from room 137,' said the man, who asked not to be named. “It was non-stop, I would say well over 100 rounds. We hit the floor and took cover. I called the front desk and she was remarkably calm and said she was aware of the situation and told us to stay in our room. After around 10-15 minutes it just kind of stopped. You could smell the gun powder. Right before we got out I heard an explosion, maybe a flashbang, but windows were blown out. The cops came on to the floor and they were clearing rooms room by room and six or seven cops came into our room and we were evacuated.”

>Two on-duty Las Vegas police officers who engaged the shooter have been hospitalized. One of the officers was critically injured, but is now in stable condition after undergoing surgery. The other officer suffered minor injuries. Neither have been identified.

>Paddock previously owned a home in Isle de Viera, Florida. A couple who lived next door to him, Don and Sharon Judy, say he only visited a handful of times in the two years he owned it. 'He seemed normal, other than that he lived by gambling. He was very open about that,' Sharon Judy told Florida Today. 'First time we ever met him, he handed us the key to the house and said, 'Hey, would keep an eye on the house, we're only going to be here every now and then."'On the times that they visited the home, they say it was sparsely furnished, with only a few chairs, a bed in each bedroom and a few laptops. Paddock reportedly told them that he and his girlfriend would stay up all night gambling. They say they never saw weapons inside the home.

TIMELINE FROM OCT 3rd article. Official Timeline pic related.

About 10pm: Paddock smashes out two windows on the 32nd floor with a hammer-like implement and opens fire with his arsenal of at least 19 weapons - including fully automatic weapons.
10.08pm: First phone call to police that shots had been fired at the festival outside the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino on the Las Vegas Strip.
10:18pm: Officers ask the hotel to shut down the elevator so the suspect can't flee.
10:19pm: A team of four officers begin to make their way into the Mandalay Bay, moving up towards the 32nd floor.
10:21pm: An officer, whose location is unclear, calls over the radio: 'Gunshot wounds to the chest and head. We need immediate medical!' Another officer says police and revelers on the ground are still taking fire.
10.23pm: False reports come in of multiple shootings at multiple other locations. Response teams are sent out to investigate.
10:24pm: One of the four officers inside the Mandalay calls dispatch to report that they are in the stairwell on the 32nd floor and can still hear gunshots coming from room 135. Dispatch responds by calling for backup from SWAT to help prepare to bust into the suspect's room.
10:25pm: Radio transmissions indicate Paddock may have stopped firing into the crowd at this moment.
10:28pm: Police officers gathered at the Mandalay Bay report that Paddock has shot at a security guard in the hallway of the floor outside his room. They call for backup.
10:37pm: SWAT officers report they are now moving up to the 32nd floor to help the police officers.
10:38pm: Cops say they haven't heard gunfire in about 10 minutes. Police radio transmissions reveal there is still some confusion over which floor the gunman is on, and whether there could be multiple shooters.
10.44pm: On the ground, terrified festival goers begin stealing empty police cars to flee from gunfire.
10.54pm: Officers report they've cleared many areas in the hotel and casino.

10:55pm: An officer said he was on floor 32 and was readying to make entry.
But he warned to be 'careful' on police radio transmissions by control, who asked 'Are you with the SWAT guy?' When the officer replied he was not, he was told to wait for them.
10:57pm: An officer reports they had locked down the hallway outside the gunman's room, telling dispatch they had 'multiple rifles and plenty of officers'. But there was then a 24 minute delay while they appeared to wait for the SWAT team to arrive.
11.08pm: Las Vegas police confirm they have shut down a portion of The Stri
11.21pm: SWAT teams storm the 32nd floor room that Stephen Paddock was firing from. They gained entry using flashbangs designed to stun the shooter. Paddock fired through the door as SWAT teams were trying to breach the room. By the time they entered the room, he had shot himself dead. Seventy-two minutes elapsed from the first 911 call to Paddock being found dead.
11.24pm: Officer tells dispatch: 'We have one suspect down.'
11:28pm: 'We have one suspect down. Multiple firearms,' an officer confirmed again, adding it was definitely the suspect who was 'firing into the crowd.'
11.32pm: McCarran International Airport announced it was diverting flights destined for the city.
11.34pm: Interstate 15 in and out of Las Vegas was shut down for a time.
11.56pm: Hospitals in Las Vegas said that at least two people were dead and 24 were injured of which 12 were critical.

12.01am: Almost two hours after the first emergency call police confirmed that one suspect was 'down'.
1.06am: The Southern California police department say that one of their officers is among the injured.
1.34am: At this point the death toll dramatic rises to 20 people injured and 100 injured.
1.54am: Police in Las Vegas says that two of their officers who were off-duty were among the dead.
2.13am: Investigators say that they are looking for the 'roommate' of the shooter - Marilou Danley and describe her as a person of interest.
3.30am: Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo announces that the death toll is now at least 50 dead and 200 injured - making this the deadliest shooting in US history
6.30am: Investigators say they have located Marilou Danley and say that she is overseas and is not longer a person of interest.

These early accounts are important because this is what people said they saw and heard. It's before they've been told what to say.

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Gotta go worky

Fully auto bump

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There were at least two shooters.

I'm trying to figure out what role the drills played in all this. Sheriff said they found drills in the room. Campos said he heard drilling. Was someone drilling a hole in the window in the adjoining room, 32-134 to snipe though the window? We've seen no pictures from this room but it faces the fuel tanks and airport/JANET terminal.

Still not the largest shooting tho. Largest modern shooting yea, kinda like that alternative truth!

Bumpstock... wheres that dalegribble user? For official non-tinfoil project.

Concrete lag screws, campos took it as shooting so a concrete drill is supsected. My question is what would need to be bolted/lagged to the floor or walls? A weapon maybe a escape device?

I believe this is where the official narrative drops the ball. We are told bumpstocks & bipods on a 'shooting platform.' This platform was constructed using the drills.

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I like how we should respect and support our troops until they start talking.

Campos said on Ellen that there was a plate on the door, correct? Also why was the open door alarm going off for a door screwed shut? Seems legit
You would need a roto-hammer to drill into concrete, not just a regular drill

possible drill uses:

anchor something heavy
break into room safe
seal door
create shooting lane

yes - this inconsistency is important. if door was screwed shut, why alarm?

maybe he drilled into a sensor, best "legit" guess i can offer.

Wasn't the drilling done in the stairwell? I believe the claim was he had attached a metal strip (assuming angle iron) to the inside of the stairwell door.

this part didn't make much sense to me either.

campos (for lack of better understanding of "who") approached the alarming door, my logic says he'd come from the hallway, and see that the door is stuck but not why.

leave via elevator for 33rd floor, approach via stairwell, see brace, call desk/maintenance.

at this point, he's on the stairwell side and can't be "shot at by 200 rounds"

UNLESS the brace was attached from the hallway side, which makes more sense b/c that keeps people from using the stairwell to stage a breaching effort.

Which way do stair well doors have to open? I know it's code that they open a certain way.

Into the stairwell

So no need to attach anything to the hallway side then. Their story is fucked

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Image if you want,
So if the perp screwed the stairwell door closed from the stairwell side, that person would be required to go up or down a flight to exit the stairwell.

Fuck that shit.

Slavery was better.

I'd rather be someone's valuable property.

Now I'm just a fucking debt slave poorfag consumer with no health care.

Master Robert used to make us see the doctor once a month.

i think the shooter (paddock or whomever else) would want to brace the door shut from the hallway side to prevent quick entry to the hallway/his door via the stairwell. plus, if he put it up, he may have made it easy to detach/take down when he's ready to egress.

i've never thought that someone "blocking him in" was good motivation.

I believe you missed the board

From the house a comped bump.

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Agreed, the narrative established the shooter was planning on escaping. How exactly? The window?

yes, that's what i think.

brace on hallway side, campos approaches from hallway.

no "from inside the stairwell" access attempted.


AND since this wasn't ever the official version, i have to question why...if that simple scenario seems most likely to me, just to explain the "single shooter nutjob and innocent security guard" narrative...why wasn't it used?

because something else happened, regardless of where the brace really was, and they lied about too much of it.

Would be a shame if anyone ever released that SWAT was in on it and as they entered there were already men in full gear waiting inside to mingle with them as an escape.

I believe if the door opens into the stairwell then the actual door jamb won't allow it to open the other way, into the hallway. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please

Shooting into a crowded audience almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter...

notice that only the left door has holes in it. if swat is firing at the door, wouldn't they aim at both sides, just in case?

i suspect a gun anchored to the floor pointing at the right door from inside the room with a remote trigger. (batteries?)

There were many shooters. There were two or three who did the full-auto firing on the crowd, and others who fired bursts into casinos and disappeared. At least one person on facebook says cops shot one of the shooters right in front of him. LVMPD/FBI are lying their asses off.

you're right, what i mean is, if the door is unbraced, someone could stage in the stairwell pull the door open, and enter the hallway quickly.

if he braced it by lag-bolting into the door and then to the frame, from the hallway side, he could prevent the door from being pulled open into the stairwell.

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>"First time we ever met him, he handed us the key to the house and said, 'Hey, would keep an eye on the house, we're only going to be here every now and then"

Smells like money laundering - using the fictitious "cash-pay renter" scheme

Whoever he was laundering money for set him up to get the weapons and arrange the shooting locale

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interesting device, but that would have to be installed on teh stairwell side, since the door opens in.

point i'm making is that if the "official story" maintains that the door was blocked from the stairwell, then none of the campos/schucker/200-bullets scenarios make good sense.

No need to drill anything to jam door. Google "door jammer" This guy had a heavy duty tripod, Northwest Instruments NAT 90 series with a balanced scope. The tripod alone weighed 10-15 lbs. He didn't drill the door, he'd of used a door jammer. Stairwell door opens into stairwell so the floor jammer would've work better than the "rod" described by Campos.

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stair is the also-ran of mass shooters.

Gotcha.

I'll add one

Your infographic is wrong/misworded. There's plenty of video of both, you'll just never see it.

Also drill could be to anchor down a rocket launcher or heavy caliber weapon?

yes.

anchor something down
open up a shooting lane
open a safe

That's to prevent a door from being kicked into you.

I still believe "Paddock" was an agency asset, was trying to set up a deal with a cartel to sell guns. Campos was his cartel contact who let them in, he shoots Paddock from the rip and they open up on the crowd to send a message. Feds were there because they were already monitoring "Paddock" but when the shooting started they weren't ready and needed to wait for backup.

Maybe the drilling was for the cordage for his camera on the room service cart.

OK this motherfucker was supposedly up there for three days. You’re telling me that he just decides to start drilling shit into the floor justminutes before he decides to open fire on 22,000 people? Why the fuck would anyone do that? Best answer: they WOULDNT

It occurs to me that the stairwell door should open in however since there is a stairwell "room" perhaps one door opens out and the door at hallway opens in or there's no door at the hallway.... idk it would literally take someone going there and looking at the stairwell access on several floors to get a better understanding. The "bracket" Campos mentions only works if door opens toward bracket. A rod from knob to floor prevents the knob turning and blocks door, but the floor jammer works best if door opened toward stairwell.

Completely believe this as I was listening as it happened to the scanner. The question is, WHO WAS IT? Isis or Antifa?

As a public service I've started giving names to the various conspiracy theories to make it easier to discuss them between threads. If you faggots see something missing, let me know.
>The FBI Rogue Informant Theory
>The Live Fire Drone Demo + Patsy Theory
>The Failed PsyOp Scenario
>The Lone Wolf Fallback Plan
>The Billion Dollar Casino Heist + Diversion Explanation
>The Gun Deal Gone Bad Assumption
>The Covert ISIS Operation Notion
>The Mossad False Flag
>The Alphabet Agency False Flag
>The Left Wing Gun Grab Speculation
>The Sightseeing Saudis Explanation
>The Aborted VIP Assassination Attempt
>The CIA Op Gone Sideways Scenario
>The Spy versus Spy Alphabet Blunder
>The Social Media Big Data Mining Experiment: Vegas Edition
>The Antfa Made Me Do It Speculation
>The Let's Start Civil War 2.0 Idea
>The John user Theory

In my opinion, if the door opens into the stairwell, meaning the door jamb itself would stop it from being "kicked in" so the only thing would be something screwed to the frame and the door itself, user said angle iron, would be the only thing. It seems like too much risk for not enough of an advantage

For a door that opens outward (Paddock's view) a floor "door jammer" hooks under the door and braces it to the floor preventing the door from opening. Google "fbi door jammer" But Campos described it as a "bracket" and that's more in line with the rod that prevents the doorknob from moving, bracing the knob to the floor.

excellent point...the brace could be on either door in the 'airlock'.

But in any case, HOW it's braced, is not as important as whether the stairwell side of the door is braced or the hallway side is braced.

if campos approached the door from the hallway side to begin with, he'd have to know immediately that there was a brace in order to "hear more drilling, investigate, startle paddock, and be fired at 200 times"...not go around to the other side, and then back.

I haven't thought about an arms deal with antifa.......hmmmm

Hooters was a holding destination for the “shot” actors. The ambulances picked them up there. The shooting at the Hooters hotel rooms and guests were a way for them to panick them into evacuating the buidling and not noticing or taking video of the hoax going on there. Smoke and mirrors magic tricks. Look over here so you don’t see me switch rabbits.

just so you guys know, i love this discussion - and i appreciate all of the insight...really helping me to think this through.

i just can't shake the notion that campos' story doesn't line up with itself, regardless of how it's "braced"

They wouldn't be firing through doors. Breach, bang, clear.

You can get sync four wireless cameras that with a baby monitor for like $50. And you wouldn't need to drill. It seems unlikely he'd be drilling for camera feeds. The wire from the cart is probably just a power cord.

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>The Cartels Run Bartertown Theory

Paddock laundered money for many years for the Cartels in real estate. They owned him. Told him to arrange the weapons and shooting locale. He didn't know the plan was for him to get burned. Cartels have connections with illegals on hotel staff to easily arrange what they want, anyone who talks get killed. Kill Trump supporters in revenge for wall and to tell LEO to back off or no more LV tourists.

agreed - but point stands, why was the guy in the room only shooting through one door?

this is the only real estate deal i could find with his name attached.

looks like a piece of shit property until the train line is actually built, and he's been sitting on it for 13 years.

oh look, yet another Sup Forums thread grasping at straws trying to figure out why a crazed man would actually be aiding some government conspiracy.

Didn't you guys learn your lesson during pizzagate? FFS go outside

yea this lady was saying how the people were everywhere. Like a big flash mob

Campos said on Ellen that he came from the 31st floor up the stairwell to the 32nd floor where the alarm was. Why would he get off on 31 when the alarm was for 32? You'd think he'd just ride the elevator up to the 32nd.
I appreciate it also. It's nice to have a civil discussion on here for once without named calling.

Will add this to the list - has been noted twice. Sorry for not adding it already

I can't click this link at work. cliffs?

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CTR's new "go outside" is the new "take a nap".

yawn.

YES!

that's what i mean - how would he know to investigate the door from the stairwell side first if it's only a "door ajar" alarm? it wouldn't matter which side he went to first if he legitimately thought it was stuck open.

and then the follow up would be - because he lied about how he approached it, he's probably telling the truth about which side the brace is on...because in the lie, he's saying he couldn't get through because the brace was on the other side. he constructed the lie using a truth which couldn't be avoided.

which means the brace was truly on the hallway side.

News reports say he had and sold numerous properties in multiple states, FL, TX, NV, AZ others
His brother Eric said he was cut in on some deals
They would typically acquire run-down residential rental properties, Paddock would be manager
Opportunities for money laundering through fictitious cash-pay tenants and cash-paid contractors
After improving the properties using dirty cash, they would sell it after a few years
Find who his financial partners were, that's who he was laundering money for