Why is the church always the bad guy?

Why is the church always the bad guy?

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Easy to explain from a western perspective, by why the Japanese cling onto this is beyond me.

Cause religion is cancer.

Atheists.

To mirror real life.

>no new Chapter in ages

Look up Amakusa Shiro.

All of these "why is * always *" can be answered with "Lazy writing".

its a mystery

/thread

because western religion has been seen as cultural imperialism by them. the nips are quite the xenophobic lot

This is something I always found amusing, because... you know, angels being the bad ones and main characr being "evil" is so meta right now than when a devil is the bad guy and the angels are good guys it feels almost like a deconstruction.

It actually is...

I agree...

This is what happens with fantasy in general too, we had so many fantasy works with twist that now we even have twists on the twists of the twists to the point that when a work plays straight it even feels "original".

Jesus, I swear I've seen more parodies, pseudoparodies and twist fantasy works than actual fantasy works.

Source, please?

Heathens.

7th Garden

You literally just google the name in the panel. Damn plebs on this board.

Because the christians tried to fuck over the japanese culture, that is why the japanese government tried hard on to eradicate christians from their island.
Monotheistic religions are the cancer of humanity.

Demons were whispering to Japanese people since for the long time. And well, they are still whispering to their ears. Nothing has really changed. Blasphemers will burn eternally,.

Real answer: it's an easy monolithic antagonist for the protagonist to struggle against. If you have something like an Evil Prince or whatever, then all you have to do is get rid of the prince; because The Church is so large, it can't just be Friendshiped away, or taken out in one blow. The struggle is real. Also, having individual enemies that are enemies because of belief is a powerful motivation for said enemies (especially enemies that aren't evil themselves), but yet allows Friendshipping. And since it's (generally) not the actual government of whatever fantasy land, but usually is controlling anyway, that makes it especially evil. The Evil Empire is the same sort of thing, if the protagonist is from one of the conquered lands.
Japs also have a relatively high trust in government in general, so having an Evil Government is unusual. Corrupt, sure, with evil people, but the government itself is good, and just taking out the corrupt/evil parts will make things OK.

Biblical angels weren't especially good guys to be fair.

But they were, in God's POV

Old Testament's God is a dick.
New Testament's God is a hippie.

To be fair, Old Testament's God told them to not do something and humans went ahead and did it anyway. I mean, what did you honestly expect when humanity constantly defy his relatively few commands?

why create humans with the ability to do something and then tell them not to and punish them for it.

Because the church is notoriously evil in real life too.

>Monotheistic religions

*strictly organized monotheistic religions are cancer

Actually God punished the Angels that were truly human friendly and even married human women.

Any Angel that slept with a human woman and raised the child with her was casted out of Heaven.

True fact.

Also, God also punished the child or descendants born between an Angel and a Human.

He made humans kill the half angel half humans.

A good example would be David and Goliath.

So God punished the Angel fathers and ensured Angel DNA would be removed from the human population.

God is a bitchass cunt, thankfully he's dead.

>Civilizing Orientals
>Wrong
Stay mad, heathen scum.

Judgement, salvation, soul are corollaries to free will.

>Asking questions answered thousands of years ago

>Trust me guys I'm an Angel

Because suspension of disbelief can only go so far.

I'd like to see a story where the world's God reaches out to the MC and has him dismantle his religion on earth because its gotten so corrupted it can't just be fixed, it has to be rooted and started afresh.
The Church is evil, but the God is good.

We could have top qt half angels today, but no, he had to ruin everything.

Yes

And he gets 4 hot angels as a harem to help him do it

You know not what you ask.

History.

Try to read a book sometime. An actual history book, not the God Delusion.

The church has a dirty history, but at times it was the only thing keeping society together.

This 2bh
Also, reminder that fucking infidels is basically the same as fucking an animal and you'll go to hell for it

Well Church are the good guys in 007 Ghost

Actually that's what angels looked like in the Bible

The higher ranking the Angel you were, the more weirder you looked.

>tfw no anime about cute crusaders slaughtering infidels and doing cute things in the name of the Lord
Life is suffering

Its a fetish of the japanese, the light representing evil. Just look at Berserk or DarkSouls.

Christianity has done more good then harm for humanity

Because it's easy to do from a design perspective.
The church is a huge organization with lots of rituals and weird symbols, which lends itself quite nicely to creating a shady organization.

Also, because it's a trope. At least half of the "why is x in anime" questions can be answered with that. Anime is giant clusterfuck of tropes , trope reverses and clever "twists" that keeps building on itself and is actually quite far removed from historical or cultural backgrounds.

Roman pride was one of the few things that could be argued as being the most damaging to mankind ever. Just think how advanced their society was for their time and how the world would be if they had some altruism instead.

Now think about where all that pride went. When they were falling apart they walked over the dead body of the true Christians to sequestrate Cristianism, bending it to their whims, to use as a replacement. Only recently their new empire has started to dwindle, and look at what an empire it has been so far.

>God was a dick

Tell me something we didn't know already

Friendly reminder that it is McArthur puritan wife wife who make the foundation of Japanese censorship laws. All Abrahamic religion is evil in its final form

Did you miss one season and a half of Arslan?

Just like what Bayonetta taught me.

Japan never had to deal with muslims so they don't know any better (or worse, rather)

Buddhism is the only correct religion in Japan, any other religion is evil.

Actually, it's more like Japan has had it's fair share of 'you're worshipping the wrong things, do it properly!'
It started with propagation of Shinto, worming out the existent faiths and gods so that people believed in the gods that the Emperor was supposed to be descended from.
Then the Buddhists came and told them the Kami were evil spirits unable to escape their karma, and that they should follow the teachings of Buddha.
Then Jesuits show up and you can guess that much
Then religious practise was heavily restricted during the Edo period. If you tried to follow pretty much anything other than the prescripted brand of Buddhism, you could probably be executed.
Then you have both Shintoism and Buddhism being used in propaganda during the Pacific War to justify Japanese expansionism
And now you generally have a very secular society who only practise religious rituals as tradition.

Basically, organised religion in Japan hasn't worked out well. The fact that material some people would consider sacriligious gets published a lot isn't that surprising.

Wait, no, I got the Edo part wrong. Buddhism was controled. Then the Meiji Restoration had Shintoism become the state religion and it was Buddhism that was supposed to be eradicated. Whoops.

"WHAT?! HOW DARE YOU TELL US OUR EMPEROR ISN'T A DIRECT DECENDANT OF OUR GOD AMATERATSU?!

>be godless heathen
>Jesuits show up to show you the light of God
>complain

But they had more gods than the Jesuits had to offer. Clearly it was a bad deal, turning that shit down was the right thing to do.

Am I cute? Uguu~

A river isn't a real god

Neither is a bush that's on fire, though.

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>old testament
Lel

> Ask a man to sacrifice his son to him.
> lol, jk

it wouldn't be a test if the sacrifice wasn't worth anything to abraham

You know America made sure that Christianity would never have a major presence in Japan, right?

This is because during WW2, America ended up nuking pretty much the entire Christian population in Japan since Nagasaki and Hiroshima contained the largest amount of Japanese Christians in all of Japan by sheer ironic coincidence.

Imagine the most Christian country in the world at the time aka America nuking the most heavily Christian part of Japan.

Then there's the whole Job thing.

>Old Testament
>Not canon
Even Luther included it in his bible, don't bother him about it.

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I get them being the evil guys but its necessary the psyco part?

>No mention of best girl anywhere in the thread
For shame, Sup Forums.

Why would Ciel kill Index?

That explains nothing, how is a soul a corollary to free will, and why couldn't he simply give us free will but design our personalities so that we generally wouldn't want to defy him? God individually created each and every person right? So why do certain people lean more towards christianity than others or put certain people in situations where they're more likely to accept him? Why does he play favorites?

It's literally this. An authority to oppose for the main characters is pretty normal and it being a religious sect makes it easy to justify zealous enemies and certain cliches like evil priests etc.

>Angel DNA
Get out of here, Anno.

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The basic problem behind this is believing we were created at the beginning of this current life. We are the results of our own efforts across the ages from the time we were equals in simplicity and ignorance.

>This is actually explained in the Bible
>He will just continue to ignore this and look at atheist sites that cherry pick scripture
wew

So you're saying God is cool with people born later getting fucked over by their ancestors, or are you implying reincarnation?

The first is retarded as nobody is responsible for the glories or sins of their forefathers, the second is inconsistent with the Bible.

please feel free to point out where the explanation is then, or sum it up if you don't feel like grabbing it

Where do these Christian roleplayers even come from? Being on the internet, on Sup Forums of all things sounds pretty sacrilegious to me

OT
God chose the jews
He explains this is both a privilege and burden. That they will be blessed with success but also be hated because of this by many people.
He gives them the law.
The law is only applies to Jews and circumcision is proof of following the law. Non-jews are not bound by the law because God has not yet shown himself to them but become bound to the law if they become Jews and get circumcised.

NT
Jesus says that his death and resurrection will take away the old law because the Jews couldn't keep the law and that believing in him will save both Jew and non-Jew.
he says that humans have free will and if they don't want to hear let them go their own way and kick the dust from your feet as you leave.
Circumcision is no longer needed because it symbolised the contract of the old law. Jews can keep getting circumcised because it's considered tradition but non-jews don't need to get circumcised
He explains what good is it if you get circumcised but still break the law.
That you should be circumcised in your heart. And that good non-Jews will be considered more worthy than Jews who break the law even though they are God's chosen.
He also commands his followers to spread the word.
That salvation is for all not just the Jews but everyone

They're (You)-whores, obviously.
Everyone knows actual Christianity is punishable by death under the rule of grorious Lord Hiroshima.

It makes sense you think this but they are commanded to spread the Word of God and to go to places were it is needed.

Preaching to the good is okay but ultimately that the ones who need it most are those living in sin.
Prostitutes, drug addicts, prisoners and assorted others considered drudges of society

because historical church is evil. before reformation church massacred tons of people because heretic. in spain muslims got genocided crusades was disaster..

I highly doubt they came to Sup Forums just to talk about Christian dogma
The on here for all we know could have just been dicking around in a re:zero or harem anime thread a while ago

They are mostly on Sup Forums, /lit/ and /his/
But others spread out over some other boards

Christfags in general are insufferable.

this answered literally nothing and is just basic Bible 101

Because they use religion to control people and they rape little boys

That would be militant atheist
Even other atheist hate those guys

theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2012/nov/09/confessions-of-an-internet-troll

>I enjoy trolling atheists. I'm an atheist myself, but arguing with the religious is infuriating, draining and it actually hurts my head. Atheists always seem to come out of religious arguments worse, in terms of how much it ruins their day. I fancied switching sides, for a laugh, and so I tweeted, "It's such a shame that athiests will never know true love. #atheism."

>Look at the misspelling of "atheists" – what pedant could possibly resist that bait? Not many, and I must have had a dozen catches almost straight away. You know the type. Militants. Wanks. The type that have "atheist" in their bio, like anybody gives a fuck. The type that searches for #atheist on Twitter. And I argued with a handful of them simultaneously for close to an hour, giggling like a schoolboy as I typed, "Your going too hell!" They didn't know whether to go after the religious debate or the grammar. It was hilarious.

That's not really a proof that shows the axioms needed and goes in the direction of the statement

It answered your question
You just refuse to accept it

Because you dont "feel" like grabbing it remember?

According to who?
You? By what authority?

/lit/ is liberal central
Sup Forums is just filled with memesters now
/his/ is too new to have harbored new christposters since they've been around before them but also has it the worst

Even if it were inconsistent, are you believing things because they are in a book instead of thinking for yourself? You believe we will reincarnate by the end of times then? How long theologians have debated about this and other things like eternal punishments, purgatory and so on? For starters, is there one hell and one heaven? Has the world been created 4000 years go by the way? Only one man and one woman were the root of humanity? How many religions believe in it compared to the ones who do not?

Besides, what did the original Christians from before the roman bible believe in?

Try to think by yourself for a change.

People who keep their religious opinions to themselves > faggots who won't shut the fuck up about it (also trolls who just shitpost for the hell of it regardless of what they actually believe).

Those are the only tiers that actually matter.

All have Christian generals