>MGTOW just hate women Nope. Women are women. Their nature has always been this way. It's the system that's the problem.
>not all women are feminists Yes actually they are. Literally every single woman today is a feminist. They may reject the label, and they may reject 3rd wave tumblrtard feminism with the overt misandry and purple-dyed hair, but they love their careers, their paychecks, their voting privileges, their birth control, their ability to murder unborn infants, the slanted divorce laws, the security and protection of the ever-expanding police state, and their welfare bennies.
>not all women are sluts Again, yes they pretty much are. According to the decades long CDC research on promiscuity and divorce, only 5% of women today enter into marriages as virgins. This is totally inverted from the 1970s where only 5% of women had notch counts of 10+ before marriage. Also, if a woman has more than 5 sex partners she is considered promiscuous and unmarriageable. Show me an attractive woman over the age of 18 with less than 5 sex partners.
>b-but the church girls! Literally just a meme. Try actually going to a church. It's all either old ladies or fat, tatted up single moms with mulatto kids. If somehow there actually are attractive, virgin, fertile, young girls in a church then it's because that church is in some small farmer town in the middle of nowhere in Tennesee, and that girl is already taken by some farmer Chad who grew up with her in church since childhood.
>you need to wife up a former slut and save her from her life of degeneracy Not possible. Again, the science shows that if a woman has even just 5 sex partners she is unmarriageable. You cannot fix or alter the consequences of her past no matter how alpha you try to be. Doesn't matter if she wants to start LARPing as a tradwife now that she's 27 and approaching the wall. The CDC study proves that her past life as a slut has doomed her to inevitable divorce no matter what.
>man up, do your duty, quit whining Your limpdick shaming tactics have no effect. Trying to make me feel bad doesn't erase my knowledge of the divorce laws, female hypergamy, and female promiscuity.
>we need to have more white babies! We need to have a coherent long-term strategy for the white race as opposed to just brute-force a single ineffective tactic of throwing more white babies into Schlomo's meatgrinder. This system needs to be starved and collapsed before any real hope for the future of white people can seriously be considered.
>MGTOW is just feminism for men Superficially yes, but there are very important differences. Feminism was about actively destroying the family by rejecting traditional gender roles and marriage, whereas with MGTOW men have had their traditional gender role of protector and provider usurped by the police state and welfare state (all voted in by women), and cannot seriously consider marriage due to the hideously broken family court system and divorce laws. So in other words, with feminism it was an active campaign to destroy marriage, whereas with MGTOW men are forced out of marriage against their will in order to survive. In any case, this is not a coherent counter-argument against MGTOW anyway. Even if, hypothetically, it was just "feminism for men", that doesn't alter the facts and the reasons why men would choose to go their own way.
Nolan Edwards
>MGTOW are all beta virgin losers who can't get laid More effeminate shaming language. If this is true then there is zero reason to oppose MGTOW. All MGTOW detractors - men and woman alike - should celebrate it and champion it as a eugenics program to get rid of undesirable mates. If I'm so disgusting then I am doing the world a bigger favor by not breeding and not bringing in more autistic white children into the world.
>your ancestors survived wars, famine, plague, drought, the crusades, spanish infuenza, etc. so you need to quit whining! Your ancestors are ashamed of you! My ancestors never had a high-tech totalitarian police state that robbed them of their gender roles and actively sought to destroy marriage. Men could be men and women chose to be women. They had their hardships, sure, but if anything their hardships reinforced community, togetherness, and family, not destroyed it. Also, no, my ancestors are not 'looking down on me with shame'. They're dead and don't know shit about what I'm going through. Your guilt-tripping is boomer-tier.
Sebastian Anderson
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Bentley Reed
counter argument against MGTOW = when you're actually tall, handsome, intelligent and capable women are fucking wonderful to you. they don't put you through any shit. you can treat them any way you want to and they will still worship you. they will suck your dick 5 times a day. they will literally be your unpaid servants. they will bare your children. they will cut off contact with all of their friends you don't like and even their own family if you will it.
if you're subpar they're naturally going to put you through a bunch of shit and manipulate you so nobody should blame you for wanting to opt out of that nightmare.
Michael Long
Being alpha won't save you from divorce court. See and Promiscuous past permanently makes women unmarriageable.
Jeremiah Morris
also OP if you're subpar then the world will be better off without you passing on your genes to other generations of men who will struggle the same way you have.
John Ortiz
being alpha will literally save you from divorce court, you have no idea because you've never had women worship your cock n balls.
Brody Edwards
Not an argument. The facts and evidence state otherwise. There are multimillionaire celebrity sex symbols who get divorceraped in court, too.
William King
OK, so, what does the "lower" 80% of all males have to do? Extensive plastic surgery just to get laid? Is it really worthy? I say no.
>Being alpha won't save you from divorce court. This, Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp are the latest examples.
Grayson Lopez
>OK, so, what does the "lower" 80% of all males have to do? Extensive plastic surgery just to get laid? Is it really worthy? I say no. i never told you to do anything. no you shouldn't get plastic surgery, you shouldn't pass on your inferior genes IMO. nature made women to desire the most genetically fit males so they could produce viable offspring. just do your thing. masturbate. watch anime. be free and enjoy the freedom that your lack of responsibilty for having to provide a future for the human race affords you.
Austin Baker
"not an argument" is just something people say when they have nothing left to say now though :(
Caleb Brown
Here's one dumb dumb:
How will the European peoples and their cultures survive without them maintaining it?
Noah Evans
Hush hush, go your own way to that link now user
Anthony Long
I already disproved your claim by pointing to evidence and you just simply restated your original point in different words. Hence, that's not an argument.
European peoples are already not maintaining it. MGTOW is a temporary solution to starve the system and give it a hard reset so that we can get to a point where real recovery can begin to happen.
Christopher Lee
MGTOW is for weak men who doesn't have the strength to dominate his girlfriend.
Nicholas Sanchez
That picture needs some bongs.
Kayden Howard
based day of the toastie SOON
Leo Campbell
Smells like roaster ITT
Eli Powell
A hard reset would be fascism or communism, MGTOW is just accelerating the already marginalized traditional communities.
Sebastian Ross
Fixed
Jose Hughes
Being alpha cannot save you from divorce court or from a woman with a sexually promiscuous past. This has already been addressed.
Camden Myers
i agree with OP. women are insufferable cunts.
Logan Sanchez
Yes it can, and Islam is the answer. Allowing women to have any rights was a big fat mistake
Grayson Bailey
You will have to do your own grocery shopping, laundry, cooking, and dishes. My wife was out of the country for a month and I have hardly any free time because of al the housework.
She's not perfect, but the free time I save not doing feminine shit that i hate doing is worth her few faults. Plus the constant companionship and not having to fuck dolls is a good bonus.
Caleb Hughes
>my wife was out of the country for a month Helping Muhammad at a rapefugee shelter no doubt
Nathan Sullivan
If you continue down the current path it won't survive. For Europe to survive you need to change your women, and as long as you keep white knighting and providing for them they won't change. This generation of women needs to grow old and die alone as an example to future generations of european women. Only then, when the next generation fixes itself, will Europe stand a chance.
Carter Adams
This, Islam will make Europe greater than ever before I have never understood why the white man resist the Islampill. There is only benefits in Islam for the men
Luke Mitchell
You're basically just asking for the laws to be changed...which is what MGTOW is saying. Difference is we don't worship a pedophile goatfucker like you do.
Cameron Sullivan
If MGTOW, to you, is just waiting for a virgin you feel compatible with to come around, then I have no problem with it; I even encourage it. What I do have a problem with is men thinking it makes sense to have casual sex and shame women for it at the same time. Women are supposed to be the ones who prevent that from happening, but you don't have a right to take the moral high ground if you just can't also step up when they fail to. You're just taking advantage of the inferior sex, brainwashed by a degenerate culture. What happens now is women don't realize their mistake until they're incapable of having children, and then it's too late and they become ardent feminists, knowing that changing younger women will never benefit themselves in the face of the standards they failed to meet, so they seek to change the standards instead. By pumping and dumping women, you're contaminating the pool for everyone else. You have to start from the bottom.
Jackson Russell
No counter arguement is needed. Your kind will not reproduce and thus will not inherit the future.
Mason Watson
It's what people say when you didn't say anything in the first place. Dumbass.
Daniel White
KEK. but what happens when arab muslims start enslaving white europeons like in the past? you think islam brings peace?
Lucas Gomez
you have seen the true state of things user.
you just given to your wants when you asked her if anything happened and then you accepted her pic.
you know the truth user.
Daniel Butler
>Difference is we don't worship a pedophile goatfucker like you do. True, christcucks in the west worships a Jew on a stick
Ayden Collins
No she's foreign and I have her go back for one month every year because the time change is too fucking rough to do often. She stays with her family so I'm not too worried about it, and she's a bit of a prude anyway.
Good luck with your robot waifu though. It's a shame you can't fuck your roomba yet.
Nicholas Hughes
wtf I’m a man and going my own way now!
Ayden Watson
MGTOW is going nowhere so long as the divorce laws and the sexual promiscuous culture stays the same. If anything MGTOW will grow.
Remember that civilization wasn't build by Chads alone. Civilization was built by harnessing the power of the 80%ers, the betas, by guaranteeing them a wife and family in exchange for their contributions. Take that away and make it so that only the top 20%ers get a wife and you get collapse.
Evan Bailey
>worshiping a pedophile goatfucker is preferable The absolute state of shitskins
Jose Cox
Great counter argument. Now call him a beta virgin loser and you win.
Colton Powell
both christianity and islam is dead for white europeons. poland may clutch to their rosarys or whatever but their pop says muslim immigrants are warriors of hope.
i welcome the death and destruction that white women and jews orchestrated.
Chase Scott
sorry I'll take my wife, children, better income, and the satisfaction of knowing my family will not die with me over being a virgin loser for the rest of my life kike
Brandon Stewart
Good luck with that.
James Adams
>Remember that civilization wasn't build by Chads alone. Civilization was built by harnessing the power of the 80%ers, the betas, by guaranteeing them a wife and family in exchange for their contributions.
The 'betas' have said they don't wives. They just want a paycheck and will fuck Hatsune Miku on their Occulus rift.
There's two options for reproduction. One is to bring back polygamy. The chads can have 5 wives and the beta's can have their waifus. The other one which is what will happen in the long term is test-tube babies.
Logan Sanders
If you acted the way you are acting right now and didn't put a stupid fucking SJW-ish name onto it, it'd be a lot more effective. Protests are what left wing brainlets do.
Robert Long
except it's already happening
Isaac Garcia
Listen, I get it, women can suck, but it honestly sounds like you guys are just bitter. I bet no guy who regularly gets girls follows this
David Mitchell
My girlfriend:
>Catholic-intellectual-convert sincerely believes in Catholic sexual ethics >Is a virgin >Loves me in the full sense of the word, agapically and erotically
Our relationship has been built on total and complete honesty. We both love philosophy and theology and have exactly the same first principles for a life well-lived (Orthodox Catholicism). If you live by Catholic teaching and read Catholics arguments for marriage you will see that MGTOW is a nihilistic philosophy that does not bear any fruit. If you don't have fucking children whatever life you built is for nothing and your life very well may have be wasted.
Sebastian Jones
Fuck off, kikes.
It's about (((their))) globalist agenda. They want to run a prison planet of border-less, race-less, culture-less, nation-less, identity-less subdued sheep. They make up less than 1% of the world's population, yet look at all they control from the world's finances to the media that brainwashes us.
In short, they use the entertainment and news media to encourage globalism and discourage nationalism and traditional western values. They distort and lie about the present and past in that effort.
What? The divorce? Or your daughter fucking a nigger?
Thomas Sanders
Neither Jesus nor John the Baptist ever married, had girlfriends, had sex, or had children. Stop shaming celibate people plz.
Jacob Wright
An excellent idea, someone should pass it on to the next generation!
Austin Morris
What is confusing the modern understand on marriage or the lack there of is the human reversion to primitive law.
Marriage meaning One Man + One Woman is a Catholic Invention to try to give the 80% of inferior males a reason to build stable civilizations. Now that faith in God is seen as backwards, many people are not simply abandoning the Church, they are abandoning the standards of behavior, including marriage, that they Church preached. When you add to that the fact that males get the shaft in modern society divorce courts plus declining wages and living standards, marriage is a declining institution.
The future is going to be horrific but we probably won't live to see it. In 2100 the debate will be between the War For Profit party vs. the Rebuild Sodom party. Kind of like what we have right now but on steroids.
Jayden Myers
>Literally just a meme. Try actually going to a church. It's all either old ladies or fat, tatted up single moms with mulatto kids. If somehow there actually are attractive, virgin, fertile, young girls in a church then it's because that church is in some small farmer town in the middle of nowhere in Tennesee, and that girl is already taken by some farmer Chad who grew up with her in church since childhood.
What about LDS? 1.5 single females per single male. Supposedly, it is better.
What are your thoughts on their church?
Luis Russell
Are you joining the priesthood? Are you doing something so great that children would get in the way of the truth and beauty of the activity?
I have the sense the answer is no because you are on Sup Forums, therefore go out perform the human act of procreation otherwise you are a waste.
Gabriel Edwards
No, MGTOW is for virgins, by virgins, assmad that they arent getting anyone. Why? Its fucking obvious judging by the arguments MGTOW fags have that they have never been with anything remotly female, let alone the fact that >Yes goyim, ending the white race and having no children is very redpilled >All these evil roasties that you weren't going to marry anyways are just going to hurt you
Dominic Evans
Why do tradcucks insist on ignoring the core problem which is no-fault divorce? It's like they expect traditionalist results without traditionalist laws.
Bentley Hughes
You make a pretty good case and will certainly end up happier than some married schmuck, but the risk and hardships are worth it knowing you continued your bloodline and raised them well.
Robert Morales
The traditionalist revolution isn't ready yet, otherwise that would be a thing.
James Morales
No you fucking bellend. Ever thought about the fact that modern day betas where virtually non-existent half a Century ago? That even the ones who didnt go to war got Pussy because they where decent hard working folk, or poets, writers and the likes? The issue is that both men and women became worthless over the past couple of decades, so the best plan of action against this is to become less worthless and find someone equally not worthless.
Fucking hell it isnt rocket science, but this pretentious "Ancient beta" thing is just stupid. If you faggots got your ass up and did something with your lives you could make a difference. But no, lets rather turn your eternal virginity into a movement, pretending like its your choice.
Cameron Morales
It's clear that you didn't read any of the posts ITT and are just replying based on emotions.
Cooper Gutierrez
If you dont want to get jewed in marriage, how about you marry someone who isnt going to jew you? A woman that is redpilled on the modern woman itself, and not just a pretty face with nothing behind it.
Adrian Evans
>I don't like these things but I'm not gonna do anything to change them
Aiden Anderson
Its 2am here and im tired, my dear leaf. I read the OP and replied to it.
Ayden Mitchell
Being a beta isn't the problem you fucking muppet.
No-fault divorce laws + sexual promiscuity leading to inability for a woman to pairbond = guaranteed divorce.
See this:
Nicholas Anderson
says klaus whose women are the self-embodied feminist prototypes.
Nicholas Morales
The fun begins when there are no longer enough white enforcers willing to enforce forced integration or anti male laws. Who forced integration? The white National Guard. Who arrests you for trying to form a white neighborhood? White law enforcers of some sort. Who ever figure out the proper time table for the balance tipping on this issue is going to be famous. Is it just 15 years ahead (approximately the amount of time when the white Boomers get too old to drive safely and also start dying in large numbers.)
Forcing integration is no fun when you have to live with the diversity yourself.
Nicholas Foster
I agree with MGTOW
Blake Sanchez
This.
Jason Thomas
You're an idiot, friend
Benjamin Walker
Reminder that mgtows are the last remaining warriors in an anti-warrior society and anti-mgtows are people who will be enslaved if the warriors they've taken a piss on for at least recent generations won't have collectivist mindset so that a mass of people will benefit from their warrior talent.
Leo Morgan
Honestly tho m8, get urself a red pilled nazi bloodline gf like me, you won't regret it
Christian Reyes
Yes, take yourselves out of the gene pool.
Angel Diaz
Several people pretended like it was about that. Also, my point still stands. Find yourself a woman and make a fucking difference. And if you do not want to get married then dont get married and just raise the kids together. Half of the stories where Men got fucked in marriage was because they married someone who was obviously unfit for it. I get the problems that you are presenting, but the solutions MGTOW offers are lackluster and only appears to cater to people who didnt get Women beforehand and now have a reason to blame it on something. As I said. Find a woman redpilled about women. The kind that has seen or even experienced what women are becoming nowadays and realised its shit. The kind you take out to fancy Dinner, the kind who is worth traditional treatment.
Blake Sullivan
good , stay out of the Gene pool please.
Isaiah Price
your done lefty, I remember the thread exposing you.
Evan Davis
That's exactly what they're doing you idiot, when getting different women, he doesn't commit.
Brayden Allen
It is better. Higher percentage of chaste women. Less feminist bullshit. Some wack doctrine compared to mainstream Christian sects...but its all made up in the end.
Austin Ortiz
F
Austin Gutierrez
>And if you do not want to get married then dont get married and just raise the kids together. Most places now in the west have common law marriage. If you have a live-in girlfriend for 2+ years then she is legally considered your wife and eligible for alimony and child support. These laws are also getting stricter. Recently in Australia there was some rumblings in the news where they were considered making it so that a girlfriend of just 2 months could be considered a common law marriage.
Adam Ramirez
Dude... you're fucking pathetic
Thomas Butler
Half your Op was feelings, you fucking virgin
Thomas Allen
There's a fair amount of truth here.
But what would you say to someone that is only focused on attaining their highest self with no regard at all for the opposite sex?
Noah Ward
If you're gonna go MGTOW, at least screw the Jew in the short term. Don't just play video games. Don't blow your money on crap. Here are some ideas for you:
-Work on minimizing your taxes, spending, and productive work, -Prepare for the collapse / race war, -Spread well-researched conspiracy theories, -Learn Troll-Fu. Master the 5-Point Exploding Head Technique. -Buy gold and bury it. Screws the Jew in the short term by calling bullshit on their ponzi. In the long term you might use it for protection from gold diggers or Jews, or you might give it to those who fight for your interests, whatever. If you die without heirs, it will be lost forever, and still screw the Jew.
Hudson Cooper
This is one of three things Islam gets right. Another is the Jew thing. Another is tribalism.
James Taylor
White people will stop giving a shit about maintaining the welfare state and other infrastructure and institutions of civilization (because we are the best able to survive innawoods). Then everything will go to complete shit, the Jews and SJWs will get eaten by their own pets, and years later we will come out of the woods to put down the surviving mongrels.
Jaxon Parker
This is the sad present/future of every MGTOW
>no true love besides factory constructed sex dolls and drawings by Japanese artists. >never experiencing the pride and power of raising a family and being a true man >complete disappointment to his own family >embarrasement to mankind as a whole >has to hide under a shield of autistic memes to keep himself happy with a manchild lifestyle he knew was degenerate >personally responsible for the downfall of whites because he couldn't grow the balls to put a woman in her place
The list goes on and on and you shall all reap what you sow which is absolutely nothing of value resulting in overwhelming humiliation. The weight of your growing failures will eat away at you as you age and soon you won't be able to cope.
Chase Russell
I have never met a woman like this. I honestly don't think women can arrive at a traditionalist conclusion of their own volition.
