Why does Illya get the short stick in every single Fate route?

Why does Illya get the short stick in every single Fate route?

She never got her route made.

She was implied to die in the Fate route.
She literally gets eye gouged, crawls around desperately looking for her partner, and gets crushed by Gil in the UBW route.
She sacrifices herself in HF.
Even in the alternate universe based around her, she can never be with the one man she really loved, because the age difference is an actual thing there, instead of just the meme it is in the Fate games.

Illyasviel Von Einzbern is truly a character with no good endings, and that makes me sad, considering how much I like her as a character and person.

Her actions all make sense and become infinitely more tragic when you see that Shirou was, according to her grandfather for her entire life, the reason that her parents are gone. Shirou is the big bad to her, and only when she meets shirou, and starts to love him, she can accept her life, and dies for him.

Illya deserves a route. I want to see her happy for once, I don't care if it has no H-scene, or if it's the shortest route, but I just want a happy ending for her character. I want to see her survive and finally fulfill her dream. I don't care about no caster, no rider route, but Illyasviel really does deserve one.

She's sub human so it doesn't matter.

>literally as german/aryan as possible
>absolutely top tier magician
>subhuman simply because she's a vessel for grail

how does it feel having such shitty standards for what is "sub human"

>She never got her route made

at least we masturbate to illya, she should be happy with that

I want to give her my short stick.

I dont. She is best girl and overall #1 waifu. Never once have fapped to her.
Prisma Illya seems to be going into the yuri scene more. It's her as a main character. I meant a fate/stay night route, like Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, or Heavens Feel.
l-lewd

what a cop out answer.

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>Has millions of dollars
>Doesn't give a fuck anymore

Well that explains alot

I was considering making that the threads op. But the cut out eyes, while bringing tears to my own, and hers, felt more justified.
True. He still hasnt finished tsukihime 2.0 after long years.

True. Magical girl Illya is pretty is adifferent person from the psychopath rapist loli from Fate.

It would have been cool a path where you joined hands with her and Shinji.

What about Lancer? He should be destroying everyone with his super speed and one-hit weapon but the plot won't let him.

Not psychopathic, user.

She was told her entire life, that shirou ruined her own life, basically.

Shirou, in her mind, took away her mom and dad, and left her all alone.

Since she's quite literally never become close to anyone after that, once she starts to like shirou, she gets ptsd that he'll leave her, and goes full yandere.

Thats if she grows to like shirou, if she doesn't, she does go psycho path loli. Because then 'her grandfather was right, and shirou must die'

got stuck with shitty rng with shitty master after shitty master.

no one cares about him since he isnt a cute loli.

Her spinoff series was also hijacked by Shirou. Poor Ilya.

I'm pretty happy with prisma as her route. Miyu is much better for her than Shirou anyway.

At least with Miyu you don't get the rather creepy Incest thing (Even if they're not blood-related).

I feel like Illya isn't the same in Prisma. This is her as a happy pure life, it feels like illya is a lot more of a normalfag in prisma.

This
Lancer deserved better in every route

She's literal shit on every media except prisma

And wouldn't she want that? Instead of being cast aside and abandoned, she got a normal life without fear, loathing and doubt?

F/SN Illya would probably hate her Prisma counterpart, because she would remind her that she didn't have to suffer. That her fate wasn't preordained, and yet it happened anyway, and her life was stolen from her.

Wasn't he almost the main servant in FHA?

She's going to get an ending with Shiro anyway. People who think otherwise are insane.

I don't know how or what kind of ending that would be though. Shirou's already been claimed by the old hags there.

Is it best that Luvia does not get a route and is instead just a high-tier supporting char?

This. She is what Erica is in Prisma.

Her route would be her winning the Rinbowl

>She's literal shit on every media except prisma

You got that the other way around. What makes Illya a compelling character is her personality. Prisma yanked that out totally and instead made her a generic shoujo protag with a Nii-chan fetish.

Yeah she is definitely quite a bit different as she haven't gone through all the things the original Illya did.

She's a lot closer to the Illya we see shortly at the start of fate/zero. Which I guess makes sense as she's much closer to the age of Prisma illya there than in fate/stay night and she also hasn't gone through all the hardships yet.

>She's a lot closer to the Illya we see shortly at the start of fate/zero. Which I guess makes sense as she's much closer to the age of Prisma illya there than in fate/stay night and she also hasn't gone through all the hardships yet.

She's that Illya without all the heartbreak and brainwashing.

F/SN Illya is a broken bird. Her Prisma counterpart was spared that heartbreak.

How the hell you'd make a sadistic magical girl Illya show anyway, trying to femdom her onii-chan and rape Miyu and the meidos?

We know F/SN illya would hate her counterpart, as F/SN illya is literally kuro.

I know its the better fate for her, but I cant help but love both.
I agree, prisma makes her a normie.
She's sn if she had her perfect world, but illya is only illya because she got screwed over.

>What makes Illya a compelling character is her personality

How is a sociopathic little bitch a compelling character? Granted, it's not like she's a great character in Prisma, but its writer is better than Nasu. Every Nasu character is extremely shallow.

She gets F/HA.

You know what I'd like to see? If Prisma ever got away from the Miyuverse and continued, a version where Prisma Illya got sucked through to the F/SN world, and had to go up against her F/SN self. She's have to confront the idea that her happy ending wasn't always in the cards, that she could have ended up very different and maybe she'd even try to redeem her counterpart.

Then watch/read Prisma Ilya, autismo.

What do Illya kisses taste like, Sup Forums?

Nothing to be proud of seriously. Do people even like HA?

>Has the potential to be the best character in the entire series due to her heaps of backstory
>Ends up being known as the most popular example of Yuri

I never seen such a waste of a character in my life.

Kuro only hated Illya in the start though, I think the same would probably happen if the two Illya's met eachother, with Prisma Illya finding a way to save her and becoming friends instead.

Assuming it was F/SN Illya that got into prisma's world at least, if Prisma Illya got into the F/SN world then they would probably just both end up having a bad end.

I think if prisma went into Fate/sn, she'd die.

Kaleidosticks are pretty hax though, and servant installs would mean they could actually stand up to their counterparts, even if briefly. Caster vs Caster-Install, Lancer vs Lancer-Install, I would pay to see those.

Before Prisma, Illya was merely used as comic relief.

yeah perhaps. I'm not really sure how the powerlevels compare, like installs vs actual servants.

Maybe if she had both ruby and sapphire she would have a decent chance with 2wei form.

but user, she literally isn't human

But then she'd also have to face Shirou who is literally killing himself in order to become a hero.

Prisma's Illya will just trigger FSN Shirou's hero hard on even harder.

I doubt an install can win against your average since installs are still human at end of the day and sufficient damage will kill them, Servants need either a heart shot or head shot for sure kill.

Should ask Kuro or Miyu about that.

After Miyu Shirou, I'm sure she could face that.

Unless she steps into HF. That would be just sad.

Semen and cheap scotch.

HF Shirou is Miyu Shirou, just with a different priority on who to save. One wants to save his little sister, the other his love interest. For that matter, Miyu Shirou was in love with his timeline's Sakura before Shinji ganked her.

Fate or UBW Shirou will be more problematic with Prisma's Illya since he gets more wrecked harder by servants.

Of course? It's pretty good

At least Fate Shirou's primary antagonist is Illya more so than Berserker. Prisma vs Fate Illya would make more sense than UBW where Gilgamesh would just wreck both of them at the same time.

Because Fate is supposed to be edgy and children dying brutally is a top-tier edge.

Shes' not subhuman but superhuman.

I doubt Gil will even take Prisma Illya serious until he gets his ass blown up again.

Because of how this shit works, there is a universe where Ilya gets best end

w-why would two girls know what Illya's kisses taste like? Illya isn't gay you know...

And what is best end for her? A long and happy life with her family and friends?

If she's not gay, she does a poor job of showing it. She hasn't kissed a single man yet.

He'll get around to it when he needs to find a suitable vessel for the Grail. Wasn't that the main reason he killed her in the first place?

So who here has their money on Illya dying at the end of Prisma?

The only cup who has even the slightest chance of dying at the end is Kuro.

That would genuinely suck.

Very doubtful, so far barely any characters have died in Prisma. Although it hasn't shown too much of it in the latest manga chapters, it is still a magical girl show, so will most likely have a happy ending.

Well of course I have no doubt in my mind as well that the mahou shoujo aspect of the series will completely override the Fate tragedy.

Just throwing it out there that if one of the main three does die, Kuro has the highest chance of sacrificing herself.

And I quoted the wrong guy. Fuckin whatever.

Yeah... well, she just hasn't found Mr. Right yet. Not kissing a boy doesn't mean you're gay! Illya doesn't even think girls should be able to love girls!

Why didn't Kiritsugu use his anti magic hax bullet against Kirie

If managed to kill Fate Illya first, I doubt Prisma Illya will be a suitable one since he just want to fuck the world up so Shinji will still get grail'd.

She only says boys there, not girls. Illya doesn't want to admit it but she clearly is interested in girls as well.

>She hasn't kissed a single man yet.
Not for lack of trying or desire.

Ilya is kind of a freak though when you really think about it, especially in the Fate route.

No one calling on her killing Archer I can somewhat understand, since he was a servant, and it was part of the war, but she kills Shinji, and no one really says anything.

Yeah, like, I know Shinji's a dick, and he was a master, but Ilya was involved with an outright homicide of someone, and what's worse, is that she gets all buddy-buddy with Sakura after the end of the route, while Sakura herself is left out of the loop as to whether her brother is even dead.

Does no one see how weirdly awkward that is?

I'm not completely sure about this, but Gilgamesh only goes bonkers after he gets paired up with Shinji. Being forced to tag along with the most worthless piece of trash in the War must have driven him insane or something. This doesn't happen in Fate because Illya kills Shinji before he can seek Kotomine's safety.

Nigga, you are crying over a cup. It's a fucking cup, just grow the fuck up already.

You are literally crying over spilled milk.

Shinji was an asshole who treated Sakura like shit

If anything Illya did a favour for her

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Yeah, that's the excuse, but murdering someone because they're an asshole isn't really considered cool in most cases regardless.

I mean Sakura doesn't even know he's dead. She's left wondering about it, as shown in the epilogue to the route. There isn't even a scene where it's like, "I know you killed him, and I'm fine with that cause he's a dick", it's just a big open question for her, while the murderer acts like her friend.

It's a bit fucked.

Did Shirou know?

Luvia secondhand sleeps with old men.

Yeah, I'm 99% sure. He was killed just a few minutes after losing Rider.

Not even brought up once, though.

>Shinji was an asshole who treated Sakura like shit

Yea wow I remember this. That's the kind of character writing that really keeps you on the edge of your chair

Or loli bait fap fodder.

Yeah and it's taken by Shirou.

Didn't Illya mention it to him at some point? Or was that in one of the bad ends?

Illya does mention killing Shinji to shirou. Its a scene in the mansion when she has him tied up to the chair and shit.
Theres also a universe where she gets joins mutant space monkey pirates who are looking for the one piece in Fuyuki, since there's the whole "infinite universes infinite possibilities"

I cannot remember a specific instance, but I am certain Shirou knows about Shinji's death, but it's never really made much of a big deal, which bugs me since in the route right after, Shinji gets saved, and is shown to be getting on better terms with Sakura, so it's not like he's utterly irredeemable.

Why is this so popular again?

I believe, maybe its in a bad end, but i'm certain Illya says "him? I killed him as I was watching you fight with rider" as he ran away or some shit.

It was a war though? Shinji was willingly being part of it, he knew of the risks

>I mean Sakura doesn't even know he's dead.

Sakura is smart and knew about the war she can add 2+2

>He wouldn't get erect if a qt top loli like Illya sat on top of him

Because it' just another war casuality and there is nothing that they cna do, Shinji still can be saved by the end of UBW

Shirou is really a lolicon. His hidden stash is loli porn, that's why he gonna get murdered if women in his house found it.

>There are people who care about Shinji of all people
Wasn't that nigga about to melt an entire School? He probably fugged Rider all day, so he died with no remorse.

Rin isn't an old man, nor does she have anything to do with them.

It's femdom you shitbag

Because she was made for bullying. Even in her own spinoff series she seems to spend most of the time getting beaten up and molested. Not that I'm complaining.

But it's not even really brought up. Do you get my point? For instance, Kuzuki's death in UBW is handled by Shirou being awkward around Issei, and Issei himself assuming he left because the guy was a nomad in the first place.

There's nothing like with in regards to Sakura, or any of the other characters even mentioning his death.

Okay, see, there's a difference between liking a character, and wondering why there's no narrative consequences, no matter how small, to his death.

He wasn't an outsider. He was a popular guy at school, and he just went 'missing'.