How are there actually still people who call themselves European nationalists and simultaneously follow an Abrahamic...

How are there actually still people who call themselves European nationalists and simultaneously follow an Abrahamic religion?

I understand Christianity has been a part of European identity for a long time but nationalism and regionalism are about waking up and seeing that the elites don't have your peoples best interests at heart, and about becoming aware of your roots and rediscovering your ethnic/cultural origins. It just reminds me of conspiracy theorists who are convinced that something was done by the government, yet their only answer is "hand yourself over to god", and by proxy, the Church.

Most countries with a state religion have Church of [Country Name]. The very same elites that some nationalists claim are trying to fuck them over or wipe out their race are also at the heads of the national churches. Church of Norway, Church of England, Evangelical Church in Germany.

It's not to necessarily say you should become an Odinist or a Roman Pagan, but at least realise that Christianity is not a European religion at all, so for nationalists to endorse ethnicity-based ideologies or policies, but still practice Christianity or any other non-European religion is absurd.

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>christianity made the west great and powerful
>jews hate christianity
>sudden surge of "hey goy christianity is jewish you should follow odin my fellow white nationalist" threads

(((hmm)))

>it's another anti-white thread
Whites follow truth, Christianity is truth.

OY VEY GOYIM! You must worship our desert deity! (((We))) are His chosen people and your ancestors and traditions are barbaric and anti semitic

>space zombie jew is real
Kek

The Greeks worshiped Apollo
>Philosophical problems arise
Jesus used reason to unite reality and philosophy

you atheists need to study before you post

>jews were ethnocentric and traditional
>jews hated jesus who was also a jew
>this is somehow a good thing
Bible literally says "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus". To the jews at the time Jesus was just an SJW fag

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m.youtube.com/watch?v=leK2WkAHLYk

Hail Odin

Le chosen people maymay is mostly an american protestants meme.

>WRRRRRRRRROOOOONG

Jesus was:
Bad at earning money / didn't want to work
worked seasonally making ploughs
was friends with fishermen because he liked swimming
>Jesus hated people who spent their days at work, instead of enjoying a simple life
whoah jesus, your jewish masters wont like that sentiment
>hope they don't execute you for inciting peaceful rebellion

Jesus was a Philosopher, he wasn't using jedi mind tricks

Paganism did nothing when the Muslim hordes invaded Europe.

Did it really make the west great and powerful though? The most successful countries in the western world are protestant ones whose populations are now leaning more towards secularism. A catholic would argue that a protestant is a heretic, so how comes it's the "heretic" nations, i.e. the ones that stray from God's word, that are doing the best financially and culturally?

inb4 Italy and Spain are doing well.

Except it isn't, by any scientific metric. You can tell me about subtle things and all of that bullshit that everyone has heard for years and years, but have you ever actually spoken to the Christian God? Have you ever seen a direct, provable message from him which makes him more real than, say, Zeus, or Odin, or Apollo, or fucking Kek for that matter. The answer is obviously no and you're a Christian because A: You're retarded enough to believe in a 2000 year old book which contains a mix of basic knowledge that's sold to us as prophecy and deep, thought-provoking philosophy

and B: your parents are likely Christian too. Meaning they brought you up to "love Jesus" and told you that the Big G was up in the sky and praying to him will make all your problems go away. How's that working out?

Classic Deus Vult boys. Ignoring the crusades in the Baltic area that targeted Baltic people, Finns and Slavs, and also ignoring sack of Constantinople, which allowed the Muslim Ottomans to come in, and they still rule the area to this day. Gee, thanks Christianity, you sure did a good job by losing Jerusalem, attacking Europeans in the Finno-Baltic region and practically opening you ass wide for that Ottoman cock to slide right in.

>the Jews want you to worship your ancestral gods.
Lel

Why have they allowed a nigger?

What you're basically after is a for of ancestory worship (or a least reverence), which is what pagan religion fundamentally is.

This.

inb4 Christcucks bring up some drunk rant from Mel Gibson or the failed Crusades as proof that Christianity's end goal is the destruction of Jews and Muslims.

I personally revere certain elements of Odinism because I think the teachings of it are more relatable than "turn the other cheek" which essentially turns cowardice into "forgiveness".

But even with that said, I don't care if a person is an atheist and has no clue about Odinism. My quarrel is specifically with people who blame the Jews for everything but worship a religion founded by a Jew, in Jewish land, and with a holy book that is made up from 2/3 of the Torah.

This
>fringe religion that is not a threat and will always be edgy and will alienate you from attracting the majority white religion in your country
>HURR DURRR, they dont wantcha worshipping ancestors dis real reason

Christianity is a Jewish creation.

>Christians are the largest religion in the world
>pagans are small and irrelevant
>pagans seem to have almost as much presence in white nationalist circles as Christians
Hmmm......

You literally can't refute Christianity being a Jewish religion. How're you enjoying hating Jews but knowing your Holy Book is 70% Torah and 30% teachings of the (((Messiah)))?

>Did it really make the west great and powerful though?
Yes. Europe was a bunch of barbarians untill rome spread christianity arond it.

The actual civilized world has always been based around the mediteranian, historically. Christianity preserved classical civilization and spread it to europe as the muslim hoards overran north africa/holy land/thrace/iberia.

Protestantism lead to secularism and it is the reason the once great countries are now collapsing.

>jewish
the jews of today are not the biblical hebrews. The jews of the bible all became christians, the (((jews))) of today are the left overs who followed by pharisees and who for the last 1500 years have based their religion entirely around christ-hate

It wasn't originally, the influx of catholics into the US lead towards a more lenient view on Jews here.

So France is non-existant?

>Europe was mostly barbarians till Rome spread Christianity
Lmao

>Christianity preserved classical civilization

preserved it from who? From themselves? even the germanic barbiarians were christian arianists

fuck your play of words, there is no such thing as a "european nationalist" as there is not and never was a european nation

>Abrahamic religion
Because the True God revealed Himself through the Hebrews, many of whom rejected Him. Of those who rejected Him, namely the Scribes and Pharisees, their descendants in faith act detestably and work against Europeans.

The poz you see in many modern Christian institutions is an invention of modern times. It has nothing to do with Christianity.

Do you honestly think that the people who hate Europeans and are trying to eradicate them are not one in the same as those seeking to destroy Christianity?

The same traditional Christians that valued their identity and their people (Europeans) in the past are the same people being attacked by Cultural Marxists. The degenerate intellectuals and mass media leaders want us to reject Christianity. This is why music producers push Black Metal and Pagan Metal on children. This is why they attack Christianity in movies.

...

Right Wing politics are concerned with the long-term survival of Civilization
But Christianity is only concerned with personal salvation to become part of a nebulous afterlife for which no evidence exists, and for which this world needs to be sacrificed, which is best expressed in the way early christians like Martin of Tours refused to fight enemies of their nations, insofar killing in this world could cost them heaven; this is also why more modern christians like Martin Luther said (I quote):
- "it is the duty of a Christian to suffer injustice, not to seize the sword and take to violence" - Martin Luther

When Jesus says "if they take your coat, let them have your shirt as well", "do not resist evil", "I have come to turn a man against his own household", "if you don't hate your self and your own family you can't follow me", "love your enemies, pray for your persecutors", "the meek will inherit the Earth", "those that wanna die will live", "blessed are those the persecuted, for they will be my Kingdom", "do not save treasures for tomorrow", "carry your cross so that you can receive eternal reward", "Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you'll have treasure in heaven", "it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye than for the rich to enter Heaven", "Woe to you who are well fed, Woe to you who laugh, for you will mourn and weep"...
... he isn't kidding, or meaning the opposite, but setting down a morality where the world is a lie and only the afterlife is the real deal, so destroying your life in this world, "carrying your cross" as he says, is completely logical
While christian churches seem to be very well of this (including orthodox leader Patriarch Bartholomew), Sup Forums "christians" seem to believe Jesus actually meant the OPPOSITE of all that, and that Jesus wants you to defend your family, that Jesus wants you to kill your enemies, to become prosperous, well-fed and rich in this world, and to avoid persecution and death!

Only a person that does not actually believe in the Heaven for the persecuted, the meek, and the martyred would actually re-interpret Christianity as a cult of earthly power which declares "the strong shall inherit the Earth", "my kingdom is of this world" and "you must destroy the enemies of your nation"
Only some one that just wanna use Christianity as an empty shell devoid of any true religious promises would claim that Paul and Peter misinterpreted Jesus when they submitted to their enemies and died to them while praying for them, instead of fighting the romans back and establishing a crusader kingdom, thing that one would expect them to do if Jesus meant "be a fighter and impose your will on your enemies" when he said "love your enemies and lend all they need to them without expecting anything in return"

But using Christianity as a shell devoid of any religious promises simply allows its poisonous morality to survive into the next generation.
You can tell your children that Jesus wanted them to be earthly warriors because "I didn't come to bring peace", but you can't stop them from reading the rest of the paragraph and realizing what Jesus wanted is for them to put christian morality above the good-being of their own families.

You can tell your children that Jesus wanted them to be earthly warriors because "Buy a sword", but you can't stop them from reading the next chapter and realizing that Jesus stopped Peter from using the sword to fight and defeat the romans, and reprimanded him for misunderstanding, all while asking him to carry his own cross (Peter, fully realizing that Jesus meant all the stuff about embracing death and his kingdom was not of this world, that angelic chariots were not going to slay his enemies and bring him victory, realized he was doomed, and would then deny Jesus 3 times)
You can tell your children that Jesus wanted them to be earthly warriors because ""Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces", but you can't stop them from reading the rest of the paragraph and realizing that Jesus was asking them, not to destroy their enemies, but to not put in risk their own moral position by criticizing others. You may want them to believe that Jesus, in the middle of a speech about not judging other people and sharing, suddenly decided that speak against the muslims that didn't even exist back then!

That is not going to fly.
Sooner or later, your "strict catholic crusader" state will be reformed into liberalism, because the Gospel will still exist, because your children, like Peter, will realize that Jesus meant it when he said "you are to be persecuted and martyred for me", that Jesus didn't say "you will live in a stable and powerful civilization, free of oppresion and death, thanks to me".

>Protestantism lead to secularism and it is the reason the once great countries are now collapsing.

This.


The Liberal Order came from Protestant thought. It's new thinking and it's rebellious.

Yeah, we should all worship trees and fuck kids, because muh baganism xddddddd''

Christian Morality attacks the foundations of the monarchy and capitalism, thus its spirituality is left-wing

Jesus saying that for the rich, powerful, strong (i.e. a monarch) it is almost impossible to go to Heaven, while the poor will inherit the Earth, you have a recipe for spiritual marxism that will become the real deal as soon as the Church losses its ability to prevent people from reading the Gospel directly
Under Christianity, a hobo is holier than the king, a beggar is holier than an entrepreneur, that contradiction can't last, and it didn't last

It is not an accident Europeans were the first people to violently remove their monarchs to replace them with utopian ideologies
it is not an accident either that every christian church outright rejects whatever version of "true Christianity" you may claim to be the truth.

The people devoted to the cult, working for it 24 / 7, spending their entire lives on it think that your interpretation makes no sense

They think that when Jesus and Paul said something they actually meant it, the people joining religious missions because the Gospel inspired them, the people that go to Africa and adopt babies, the people that actually wanna follow the lives of the early Christians like John Chrysostom (which you constantly claim is a "true Christian" because he didn't like jews, while ignoring everything else he ever said) and live a life of self-denial and poverty to feed others, people like Mother Teresa that lived surrounded by filth and excrement in India...
But you don't. You wanna pretend to be a christian while living a life of a roman
Jesus himself said that if you wanna be like a roman and love your friends and hate your enemies, then pretend to follow him, you are a hypocrite
What kind of argument can you even make to actual devoted christians that go on missions to Congo and India and even DIE for it, to tell them that their version of Christianity is corrupted and damaged by jews?

If Christianity is "the enemy of Jewry", then Jews don't need any friends. "Based Christian" Charlemagne, the father of Europe according to Christians, for killing pagan saxons, gave Jews their economical power
> Charlemagne (800–814) readily made use of the Church for the purpose of infusing coherence into the loosely joined parts of his extensive empire, by any means a blind tool of the canonical law. He employed Jews for diplomatic purposes, sending, for instance, a Jew as interpreter and guide with his embassy to Harun al-Rashid. Yet, even then, a gradual change occurred in the lives of the Jews. The Church forbade Christians to be usurers, so the Jews secured the remunerative monopoly of money-lending. This decree caused a mixed reaction of people in general in the Frankish empire (including Germany) to the Jews: Jewish people were sought everywhere, as well as avoided. This ambivalence about Jews occurred because their capital was indispensable, while their business was viewed as disreputable. This curious combination of circumstances increased Jewish influence and Jews went about the country freely, settling also in the eastern portions. Aside from Cologne, the earliest communities were established in Mainz, Worms, Speyer, and Regensburg.[15]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany#From_Rome_to_the_Crusades

Their christian "punishment" against the "evil jews" was to receive a lucrative financial monopoly of "sinful high financing that no christians shall ever benefit from" and to move to the next country to fleece when the peasants got too riled up.

Because it's just larping with no relation whatsoever to the old pagan religions.

Christianity can't cure a disease it caused

Pagan Romans were fundamentally free of the chains of jewish power, so much that they almost exterminated them all in their own homeland after the rebellion of Bar Kocheba
It would be Christian Europe that would fall under permanent jewish influence, with the jewish-controlled churches banning europeans from financing and loaning, giving them as a monopoly to jews

By the modern era, Christians were so throughly judaized, that they started to actively wish for the restoration of Israel so that the end of the world would finally come around and their civilization would die!
And why would it be otherwise?
A religion which such obsession with death, with promise is the end of the world, is fundamentally a time-bomb in the basement of a civilization

Do you really believe that the early christians that embraced their martyrhood to the lions said to themselves "I am dying to this lion so that the white race can survive, fuck jews!" or any such anachronistic reinterpretation that you have decided to give to their death cult?

- there is no "white genocide", what is really going is white suicide, with christian morality as its main driver
the abortion issue is a perfect example of white christians openly fighting against their own interests by wanting to increase the birthrates of blacks and other democrat sub-groups that do abort
Tell me: do you really believe that USA would be better off with twice as many blacks? (The entire South would be deep blue for starters)

- That Jews took control of european finances and loaning and then global finances by proxy, is another example of how Christian Morality screws whites over
If the Churches had not been issuing numerous bans on white christians from practising usury (which is simply a way of saying "high risk financing"), jews would have never taken over that niche market
Far from destroyin them, Christianity made Jews the masters of Europe. The occasional progom more than paid for itself

- Support for Israel is a third way Christian Morality screws whites over, and it is far from a recent occurance or corruption. As early as 1600s, puritans already believed that a jewish Israel in the middle east was a prerequisite for the Apocalypse
- Christianity does not allow for racial divisions among Christians either "there is no jew or greek" makes it quite clear.
Citing Paul made extremely easy for the anti-segregation preachers of the 60s to get the majority of whites on their side
It also makes no historical sense, christian preachers from 1700s (before the supposed "jewish take over of Christianity") actively travelled to dangerous parts of Africa and South America to convert tribes even when it very often costed their own lives, and when they were converted they fought against conquerors for equal rights for the new christians (see: bartolome de las casas). Numerous preachers of all churches were massacred in Japan (which remains immune to the moral paralysis that is destroying Europe... really makes me think).

> BUT le JEWsus was BASED and his teachings were corrupted by KIKES meme

Literally all the followers of Jesus, and Jesus himself were kikes.

Among his followers there were many zealots, the most radical jews of them all, that wanted wars against Rome
But sure, he was "le anti-semite non-kike that kikes hated" right?

Now you are going to talk about how he disagreed with pharisees or whatever.

But why would the pharisees be discussing mosaic law with a non-jew? Never mind, what exactly did he denounce the pharisees for that makes him not a kike? Have you actually read the Gospel?

Can you point to a single value that Jesus denounced that wasn't valid?

Because the denounciations of Jesus were idiotic, insane, even marxist
There he denounces the pharisees for wanting to punish a slut! (Jesus didnt like slut shaming, quite liberal if you ask me!)
There he denounces the rich pharisees and promises the earth to the meek and the poor! (... and marxist)
There he denounces the pharisees for wanting to live, instead of embracing death like him!
There he denounces them over a disagreement on how Mosaic Law is applied! (but Jesus was not a Jew I swear!!!)

You blindly may say "he disagreed with the kikes" as if that was something we needed to applaud!
I have to ask you "christians" of Sup Forums, what are these supposed teachings of Jesus that supposedly got corrupted by kikes? "Hate your enemies"? "Save treasures for tomorrow"? "DO resist evil"?

The opposite of everything Jesus said?
I mean really, is "but kikes killed Jesus" your only argument?

Muslims are hated by Jews as well, but Jews are smart enough to use them as a tool. The same way they use the insane anti-morality of Christianity to corrupt the ancient world and give themselves a privileged financial spot!

But if Jews don't like the own poison they created, that means that we shall drink it, according to you!
wtf I guess I love ISIS now!

> inb4 Turning the other cheek does not mean pacifism. Letting someone else slap your face with the back of his hand was a form of social rebellion back then

no it wasn't. that shit was made up by radical black-nationalist liberal theologist Walter Wink to justify social rebellion in South Africa.

There are NO sources to it outside his books, nothing of what Josephus wrote about life in the ancient Middle East mentions anything close to offering the cheek or giving to your enemies your coat being an insult to them.


In the Greek-Roman world, love meant "common feeling of mutual interest born out of shared experiences"

Early Christians expanded it to a commandment of loving people that we don't know, that we don't care about, just so that we can fill ourselves with misguided pride about how we are friends of mankind itself
Agape never has conveyed any sort of violent or agressive implication, as some Sup Forumslacks imply

Among christian writers it has always meant means "a selfless love that is passionately committed to the well-being of others", no implication of tough love whatsoever
see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape#Christianity

Christian semantics are enough of a mess as they are, and then Sup Forums christians wanna add an extra layer of absurdity and mental masturbation: That is where the schizophrenia of right-wing christians kicks in
Only a christian could claim something as absurd as love for his enemies

Only a right-wing christian could take that absurdity to the next level by killing his enemies while declaring his love for them. So here they want us to believe that the Crusaders loved every single damn person that they slaughtered in Constantinople
Because, according to Sup Forums christians, Love is not about shared interest, it is about telling to yourself "how I love that guy" right before cutting his head off (mental masturbation, really)

dude, if you wanna hate your enemies, just do that, and stop mentally masturbating about how better and so much more heaven-deserving you are than your enemies because you somehow declared that you loved him while killing him

> le pope is le anti-Pope meme
> le christianity is corrupted meme
Question for Sup Forums "christians" claiming that the Pope is the anti-Christ

How would you prove that interpretation of "do not resist evil" by Pope or any mainstream christian leader is twisted, corrupted and out of context?
The context of the story is how christians should behave the opposite of gentiles, who love their friends and families, and hate their enemies

The larger context is a Gospel where all the main figures mentioned allowed their enemies to kill them without slaying them back: Jesus, Peter, Paul

What is true context of the paragraph?
How do you turn "Do not resist evil" into "FUCK OFF MUSLIMS!"?
YOU are the Anti-Christ, Christian of Sup Forums. You deny the words of Jesus because you don't wanna give up your earthly interests.
You "christian" people of Sup Forums/ seem to believe that Paul the Pharisee and Peter the Jew the grabbed their swords and killed the romans that wanted to execute them, come on

They were well aware that their religion demanded them to be submissive to their enemies and finally die to them, that is exactly the lesson they wanted the goyim to learn
Look, I know that you actually don't believe in the whole "infinite treasures in Heaven" thing, so you are trying to justify fighting for survival in this world where you can get actual treasures, but don't try to rewrite history please

Christianity is anti-traditionalist in the biological sense, it has no worldy interest in our beings as animals
Everything animal about the human being is considered sinful


Paul was anti-natalist, as things like wife and family would get in the way of getting people to worship his jewish god.

If unmarried men followed the words of Paul, there would no be any civilization to begin with, people would stop marrying as it would interfere witgh their mental masturbation being a "good person" by telling others that they will go to hell

See:
> 8 Now to the unmarried men and women, and for the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.
> Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife.
> 32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.
t. Paul the Pharisee

Paul makes it EXTREMELY CLEAR that the main concern for every christian is the spread of this virus-like cult at the expense of their own tribe, and his main worry is that Christians may not devote 100 % of their time to the spread of the cult

the organic self-sustaining self-interested self-preserving society that Sup Forums wants is fundamentally incompatible with the "do not save for tomorrow, leave your family and spread my cult" dogma that both Jesus and Paul saw as the main duty of a christian

Jesus made it even clearer:

> "if you don't hate your self and your own family you can't become my follower me"- Jesus

If his Kingdom is of this World, as Sup Forums Christians claim... if Christianity is a religion of earthly power, why didn't it save the Western Roman Empire then? Why did Saint Augustine wrote that it was not a christian concern the existence or not of wordly kingdoms?

Why were Christians unable to save even their fucking holy land from the Muslims, if they are the religion of earthly power that you believe they are?
Why is the North Africa now muslim, if it was once christian and roman?

That they didn't manage to screw things completely over was an accident of history, not for lack of trying

and most importantly of all questions, why has Christianity become an enabler of the muslim invasion of Europe, if it is such religion of earthly power and "the strong will inherit the Earth" as you seem to believe?
why are all the christian mainstream churches pro-refugee, if christian doctrine says "hate your enemy, and do not lend to them all they want" instead of the opposite as you claim?

The strange thing is that "christians" like you are a minority within Christianity itself that they claim to represent, with everyone from the Pope to the Anglican Churches to the Protestant Churches actively cucking for the destruction of the West
The Pope literally points to the same verses that I do to justify his doctrine, yet you come here to tell me that he is wrong, and I am wrong, and even damn Jesus and paul were wrong tho, because some medieval crusader decided to recreate christianity as a earthly cult of power in order to sack Constantinople!

woman pushing false idols on submissive men is repuslive

Jews are a very successful group that has become successful by monopolising finances through ethnic networking and promoting ideologies that demonize their own actions so that the goyim won't copy their success
so they promote anti-nationalistic Communism among the goyim while endorsing Zionism for themselves
that is why they promoted universalist Christianity among the goyim while keeping Judaism for themselves, and including it as the Old Testament within Christianity, so that they would remain the most important people of the world.
So there is no real contradiction once you understand how Jews work: Do as I say (Christianity), not as I do (Judaism, Old Testament).
then christians wonder why Jews dominate them!

The problem with Sup Forums christians' claims of modern misinterpretations if Christianity is that those were the ACTUAL interpretations of Early Christians

Whatever Christians would not wish others to do to them, they do not to others. And they comfort their oppressors and make them their friends; they do good to their enemies…. Through love towards their oppressors, they persuade them to become Christians.
—The Apology of Aristides 15[13]

How can a man be master of another's life, if he is not even master of his own? Hence he ought to be poor in spirit, and look at Him who for our sake became poor of His own will; let him consider that we are all equal by nature, and not exalt himself impertinently against his own race[...]

—Gregory of Nyssa, Homilies on the Beatitudes[18]

Who is more likely to have a corrupted version of Christianity?

a) The Early Christians that Roman authors characterized as an extremely docile people that was a frequent target of free loaders
b) The Crusaders that sold children as slaves and destroyed Constantinople

>from who?
complete destruction at the hands of islam.
If not for poland you would probably be a muslim right now this very instant.

The real center of civilization was around northern egypt and the holy land by the time islam was invented. It was all destroyed by goat herders. Byzantium preserved classical civilization. When it finally fell the scholars that fled to relatively friendly christian europe are what caused europe to become so advanced.

>arians
>christians

> "If only we had more Chrsitianity in these times of equality and brotherhood, sacrificing your own material wealth to help the poor and to forgive your transgressors." - Sup Forums christians

The West is not dying because gays fuck their butts (heck, even muslims fuck each other all and goats the time, and they are the civilizations expanding the most right now, while the west collapses)

The West is dying because of pathological altruism, and i quote Paul himself in his interpretation (insofar whenever Jesus said this you always say "Jesus means the opposite"):

> 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.
> 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
> if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e] 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Your Old Testament morality has nothing to do with the Jesus and Paul that you claim to follow, and no church father ever pretended otherwise

You are a larper that does not give a fuck about what Paul actually said, and needs to pretend that Mosaic Law applies to him
Yet I am quite sure you work in Saturday and eat pork, lol

If you wanna be a jew, and then go on and convert to Judaism, and stop pretending that Christian Churches want anything to do with you

The purpose of the Christian Faith is not a physical one. It's not about the prerogatives and mission of mankind as seen by Pagans and atheists. It's about ontological truth. It's about cosmology. It's not just limited to the realm of the political. It's not about getting free gibs from a skydaddy.

Then again, I'm finding all sorts of posts on Sup Forums now that sound like they were written by Hollywood producers and atheist, Marxist college professors. Antifa is here, and they're infiltrating.

How are there actually still people who call themselves European nationalists and simultaneously divide other european over a fucking religion???

I don't give a flying fuck what you worship as long as you want europe to be segregated and cleaned from all of non-europeans, you are my friend.
If you wish to tarnish 2000 year european culture due to your hatred towards shit you're recent ancestors believed to be true, fine... Just don't fucking dictate and force that shit on other people who don't.

If you want to discuss about "Cool shit my pagan ancestors built" then ok. Pagan Snowniggers beyong the alps contributed absolutelly nothing to further development of European Civilization, but rather raids, sack and desroy every achievement of Greco-Roman Civilization that built Europe.
The snownigger Varg you've posted knows that, so he shills for primitivism and other outdated pre-historic garbage the "Based" ancestors believed.

Why wasn't classical civilization completely destroyed in Greece and Spain during their islamic occupations then?

Heck, most of the damage to greek monuments was done by Christians

> le Christianity made the west meme

absolute insane nonsense

western law systems are based off Roman Law, which existed before Christianity existed
western languages are based on indoeuropean languages, Malta is the only western country with semitic languages root

Most of the religious symbolism of the West is pagan as well, christian trees, easter, etc
heck, the american constitution never ever mentioned Jesus anywhere, and has the separation of state and church as one of its most explicit declarations

the founding fathers and most of western people for the last 1000 years have been deists. Whenever they tried to take Jesus seriously, things went wrong very fast.

So why not just practice properly?

> le Christianity didn't hamper Europe's science meme xD

why did Islam get ahead of Europe then?

> it... it didn't... I swear

Why is our world for complex mathematics ALGEBRA then? Did you think that europeans just tho it was a pretty word or what?

> bu... but the Gallileo, Copernicus, Servetus and all the other scientists that the Church persecuted were christians and even talked well of the kike Jesus!!!

see: pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/
> According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.
Now that not being a christian is not a death sentence, most scientists don't give a fuck about pretending to worship a kike

> lol you are dumb, Europe took over the World thank to Christianity xDD
Then why didn't Europe take over the World during the Middle Ages, during the peak of the Church, when Islamic Armies had a string of victories from Egypt to Jerusalem to the Balkans and Greece, which they occupied for 400 years?

Europe took over the Americans in the 1500s, during a time where the power of the Church was collapsing because of the Protestant Reform and the Enlightenment, and the renewed interest in greek-roman culture had grown a product of the Renaissance.
Europe took over the Africa and Asia in the 1800s, after the French Revolution had destroyed the remaining power of the Church, and industrial revolution, followed by the scientific revolution, had demolished most of the dogmas of the Churches.

> le Jesus was violent this one time so we have to ignore "love your enemies" meme xDDDD
> le Jesus wanted you to use swords against your enemies meme xDDD

Sup Forums christians are right that Jesus didn't promice peace and niceness, he promised suffering and war.

The core of the issue is what are the targets of the sword of violence he promises:

- people of your own household. Father against Son. Mother against Daughter
- money changers that were not hurting him or attacking any of his followers at all, and were the only way people that lived in a far away places of the empire could exchange their money to local currency and donate to the temple. Money changing has nothing to do with Money Lending. Money lending would not become the main economic function of Jews until 600 years later, when the Church banned the goyim from high-risk financing

For your enemies, he wants you to love them and to lend them everything they expect from you, as PAUL HIMSELF confirmed (Romans 12:14-21).
Jesus stopped his followers from actually using any sword to attack their enemies, and reprimanded them for misunderstanding. When Peter realized that he would go "holy fuck he really wants us to die for him, his kingdom is not of this world" and denied him 3 times.

And why would Peter do otherwise? Peter realized that he would die: "holy fuck he really wants us to die for him, his kingdom really is not of this world"
Of course he was going to fear for his life. He realized that Christians were never supposed to get power. The religion never worked like that. His kingdom is NOT of this world. That is why Paul didn't try to create a crusader state. Because the only stable, non self-contradicting position christianity can take is the one of a pacifist paranoid minority that is protected by the weapons of someone with will to power.
"The meek will inherit the Earth" becomes a declaration of suicide when adopted by the strong

The war that Jesus DID promise was a war against your own damn family: "I do not come to bring peace, but to set a man against his own household"
Which is exactly that historically happened, Christians were extremely successful at killing each other and killing white pagans, all while completely failing to recover their Holy Lands from Muslims.
The sack of Constantinople by Christians and the Wars of Reformation between Catholics and Protestants weakened Europe so much that Muslims would occupy the balkans for 500 years,

Sup Forums christians are extremely deluded people that wanna follow the commands of a Jew that promised to make their families divide and even asked them to hate themselves and their own families (!!!!) so that they may perhaps-- have a slight chance of worshiping a Jewish War God for the rest of eternity

Do you really believe that USA would be better off with twice as many blacks as it has now?
Abortion alone has split black birthrate in a half, otherwise we would be talking about african levels of black birthrates

What do i recommend instead of Christianity? Simple: Pragmatism
To recognize that what matters is the here and now. That Gods won't come to save us
That we are alone
That only ourselves can save us
Otherwise, it is game over

And Jesus is not going to cry about it, why would he? All he wants is to abolish the Earth and create a paralel dimension where everyone worships him 24 / 7
Our desires of this world, our need to fly and colonize the stars: Gone

I find it interesting that for something "divinely inspired" Christianity does not give us any insight into the Universe. If the Bible had mentioned there are 8 planets in this System, that there are worlds beyond that we can actually inhabit, that Stars are made of Hydrogen, which is part of what water is composed... May be then I would be believe "holy fuck it really is God-inspired!!!"
If Paul had made some huge scientific discovery thanks to this "revelation from the creator of the Universe", I would actually give this pharisee some credit
But all we got is endless pages of social critique, about how rich is evil, strong is evil, resisting evil is evil

I can guarantee you, there isn't a single chapter of the Gospel that I can quote that you would not call left-wing nonsense if it was said by a modern leftist instead of Jesus
(with the probable exception of some of the very trippy chapters of the Revelation)

This is the new golden calf

Alas, we were better off in Egypt!

> . It's about ontological truth.

bullshit

see:
> If the Bible had mentioned there are 8 planets in this System, that there are worlds beyond that we can actually inhabit, that Stars are made of Hydrogen, which is part of what water is composed... May be then I would be believe "holy fuck it really is God-inspired!!!"
If Paul had made some huge scientific discovery thanks to this "revelation from the creator of the Universe", I would actually give this pharisee some credit

>Yeehaw!
>Get /fit/
>LARP-ing intensifies
>Listen to Black Metal
>Fight stuff

Hail Odin bruh

>Why wasn't classical civilization completely destroyed in Greece and Spain during their islamic occupations then?

It was, look at them today. They are only a rebuilt shadow of themselves.

>greek monuments
The classical civilization preserved by christianity is the fundamental structure of thought of classical civilization. The very structure of epistemology that the western world uses only exists because of christianity. With out it we would be be fundamentally unable to intuit things as simple as causality. You think those barbarians think coherent thoughts? You think a muslim sees cause and effect? It is alien to them, these are not inherent things, they are the fruit of classical civilization, preserved by the church against the tide of savage barbarian hoards.

The very structure of your thoughts you owe to christendom.

Walls of text

Why does it seem like you're an Antifa shitposter trying to get Europeans to abandon their heritage and embrace poz?

All Christian Churches embrace POZ even if relatively based countries

voanews.com/a/orthodox-patriarch-refugees/3287495.html

> Patriarch Bartholomew, the spiritual leader of Orthodox Christians, is urging Europe to stop trying to divide what he calls economic migrants from asylum seekers.
> Bartholomew is scheduled to visit the Greek island of Lesbos on Saturday along with Pope Francis, and Athens Archbishop Ieronymos, the head of the Church of Greece, to raise awareness about the troubled state of refugees and migrants in Europe.
> The symbolic visit is intended to reiterate the Christian moral duty to show hospitality to strangers, Bartholomew said in an interview published Friday. He added that countries in Europe should find inspiration in the generosity shown by Lesbos residents.
> Illegal immigrants make 10 % of the population of Greece

daily reminder that the orthodox patriarchs are exactly the same shit , and they have repeatly condemned right wing movements like Golden Dawn

But why would it be otherwise?
Christianity rejects all wordly concerns altogether
Anglican Churches are the same shit

- "it is the duty of a Christian to suffer injustice, not to seize the sword and take to violence" - Martin Luther

* even in

It flourished in Europe. Proud norwegian, proud christian. Fuck off with your varg brainwash. He'd get his ass fucked in any debate vs. Dr. Duke Pesta who has studied western civilization his entire life.

I'd tell you to watch this, youtube.com/watch?v=x-eUnj1ATMc
but you probably wont as it wont fit your retarded narrative

>western law systems are based off Roman Law, which existed before Christianity existed
And would have been destroyed by islam with out christianity to defend them
>western languages are based on indoeuropean languages
And would have been destroyed by islam with out christianity to defend them
>Most of the religious symbolism
Would have been destroyed by islam with out christianity to defend them

Hundreds, thousands, of battles, lost to time, fighting against the unending tide of muhamadans seeking absolute domination of the world over many centuries.

When civilization was so battered the very ability to record history was a luxury, defending in the night against ceaseless muslim slave raids and mass genocide they fought, and preserve civilization.

The golden ages of islam? Those were what christian and hindu slaves were able to retain, to hide away and allow slightly more enlightened masters to make use of.

>why did Islam get ahead of Europe then?
They plundered the most advanced and prosperous civilizations in the world at the time. So great was antiquity that even the leftovers they did not burn and destroy were enough. All christianity had at the time was europe which was just a bunch of barbarians for most of history.

You DO know that the Ottomans conquered Constantinople because CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS blew the fuck out if it right?

You DO know that Ottomans managed to reach Vienna because Protestants and Catholics were too busy massacring each other across Europe right during the 1500s right?

It would not be until 1914 WAY after the Enlightenment that weakened the Church, way after the French Revolution that brought secular states to Europe, that the turks would finally be expelled from most of the balkans

Aaah, then scientific success is not dependent on this jewish cult called Christianity! it is dependent on actually retrieeing the culture of the pagan ancients!

The Christianity of the past was able to defend us because it was imbued with European values. Nowadays all denominations are weak, pozzed and globalist, with the vast majority of Xtians being non Europeans. Only European traditions can save us from the rootless mongrelization of our continent (basically the fate of the US)

Because you're a fuckwit and refuse to acknowledge that paganism nearly resulted in the total Islamification of Europe were it not for Christianity, which then lead to the very civilisations that dominate the world and have given white people security and unfettered progress. In simplicity, it takes big ideals to inspire and fight against big ideals. Paganism is small scale tribal living - loose confederations at best and exactly the type of useless crap that gets you colonised.
The shit you and that dimwit Varg spruik is basically kikery that is ending white accomplishment and handing white heritage over to invaders as we become fractured tribes.

also do notice that Islam didn't destroy Christianity in the european lands it occupied

Christians were more than happy to pay the jizya tax

Greece, Spain and the Balkans remained christian majority all through the occupation, there was no widespread effort to convert them

>that paganism nearly resulted in the total Islamification of Europe

> being this ignorant of history

it was christians that destroyed Constantinople, not pagans you idiot

Gauls had better smithing technic than Romans, better armor and swords...
I don't really know about tour history desu.

>4th crusade
How does this refute my stance that europeans are barbarians?

>ottomans
would have conquered the entirety of europe

Why is so called christian "culture" is your only argument, you don't have anything different to say ?

This is not true, epistemology based on interpreting animal entrails is best and authentically white

>Paganism is small scale tribal living - loose confederations at best and exactly the type of useless crap that gets you colonised.

What was the Roman Empire retard?

By law of frog you must agree

> How does this refute my stance that europeans are barbarians?

Christians showing up their anti-european bias again lol

> would have conquered the entirety of europe

to claim that without Christianity ottomans would have conquered Europe is a bizarre claim, specially given that Islam borrows heavily from Christianity and would have not existed without it

So Zeus is awesome and Odin is shit? Well that settles it

European mythologies borrow and adapt semitic and near eastern mythologies. How is your relationship with Horus and Inanna going?

>then scientific success
Yes. Christianity fundamental has absorbed classical thought as a foundation for itself. It has provided the zeal that resulted in its preservation. To preserve christianity you preserve antiquity.

>european values
which is why for most of the middle ages it was byzantium that was defending europe while they squabbled amongst themselves?

In the end when it fell half of european aristocracy sold out on the spot. It was only people who cared more about christianity than these apparent 'european values' who risked everything to stop the infidel hoards. King Sobieski, Tepes, Grand Master de L'Isle-adam, and the like. That kind of person who were very much disliked by their compatriots full of 'european values'.

these are 2 names of the same diety

I don't belive in Jewish gods

>he thinks all muslims do is charge a tax
Muslims dont want people to convert. Are you aware of the legal systems in place? Non muslims have no rights. goats eating your crops? Tough luck, you have no right to complain farmer, you arent a real person.
If everyone converted where would they get their slaves? Muslims had the biggest slave economy of probably any culture in history, and you cant take a muslim as a slave.
>just pay the tax :^)
lel

Nice non-answer

The fact that Islam considers Christians "people of the book" remains

Christianity is not about "preserving classic thought", it is about following Paul's advice to be able to live eternally in the jewish heaven. That is why the Reformation happened and why the purest christianity gets, the cuckest it gets

You are confusing Christianity and European culture. European culture still exists without Christianity.

Next you will be claiming that Czechia and the Baltic States are not part of Europe because they are atheist majority, which makes no sense

that does not contradict anything I said. The orthodox church recognized the Ottoman Sultan as king-appointed-by-god

to believe that Christianity is "about resisting Islam" is absurd

Only a complete brainlet sees a religion as its public face. Yes, the goal of christianity is to save the masses. thats just a pleasant side effect, a nice bonus. The heart of a religion is its underlying mysticism and cosmology.
Classical civilization used christianity as a life boat.

Which god do you believe in that isn't adapted or influenced by the ancient near east?

"life boat" to escape from what? Arianist Christians fucking burning everything?

You may as well claim that "Classical civilization used Islam as a life boat." as it would make as much sense

The rest of your post is bullshit, Paul made it extremely clear the core of Christianity is salvation of the soul, he didn't even write a single word about cosmology

He was not a scientist

Islam thinks that Christians follow a corrupted version of scripture and commit the greatest sin possible therefore....?

> he needs to believe in Gods

why??

Thor was a Turk

therefore they just have to pay a tax of 10 %, while pagans are murdered under Islam

>He thinks modern west is "great" and "powerful"

Not a single great thing happened in the west in the last 300 hundred years, you pleb neocon.

But yeah, I'm sure you think making big buildings and rockets is the greatest achievement of mankind because you're a brainlet christcuck that is spiritually dead.

>to escape from what?
Islam
You do realize the most advanced cultured centers of thought at the time were in north africa and india, right? They just stopped existing, because of islam. Destroyed, completely annihilated. Cities abandoned, infrastructure destroyed, crops rotting in the fields.

>paul
a house is more than its foundation
or its microwaves user manual

You do know that Islam happened 200 years after the Fall of Rome right?? The last concern of Christians during the roman collapse was "holy fuck I should stop Islam for destroying this civilization!" while christian arianists roamed around and destroyed pagan monuments

> They just stopped existing, because of islam.

No they didn't, your version of history is insane

See:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age#Mathematics

Islam is the entire reason we are using hindu numerals and our algebraic notations are of arabic origin

Why exactly do you even think that Europeans adopted those?

I actually have to wonder where the fuck did you get your history from, as it makes no sense

It was the mongol invasions that destroyed the cultural centers of Islam