I have had people tell me that "life is unfair," and that "people should just accept their lot in life, society owes no one anything, and that people should just bow their heads and in submission to system and the ruling class."
However, I would counter argue that, yes it is true that nature is random and therefore intrinsically unfair, but because we possess an advanced morality that allows us to feel compassion and empathy for other human beings, then an obligation is then placed on us to make a society that is more fair for everyone.
In short, we are not animals in the primal sense. Due to our advanced moral structure we have obligations that other animals do not. An abstract idea of fairness is one of those obligations.
In increasing morality is the only way forward. To become an galactic species we must first become a global species, and the only way that we are going to become a global species is by feeling empathy for foreign citizens which leads to unity. This is achieved by an evolutionary increasing morality.
Capitalism goes against the evolutionary trait of morality because it dehumanize people into mere cogwheels of production that are meant to be exploited for profit. Therefore I conclude that capitalism goes against the evolution of human social progress.
I'm so done with your commie bullshit, I used to be one of you faggots, and it ruined my life, now I am out with it and my life has gotten better. Face it, the whole ideology sounds good, but it doesn't work, it just wont. When will you guys ever wake up from the Sheep ideology called, (((Communism)))?
Colton Taylor
>we possess an advanced morality oh you do? then why are you a commie?
Carson Thomas
Begone bot.
Joshua Rogers
>an obligation is then placed on us to make a society that is more fair for everyone Communism is as unfair a system as you can get. You disconnect the reward from your work, taking away any incentive to work in the first place.
Matthew Perez
>Capitalism goes against the evolutionary trait of morality because it dehumanize people into mere cogwheels of production that are meant to be exploited for profit
I argue that capitalism fosters humans primal need to compete and challenge each other to ultimately improve as a species.
socialism strangles the pursuit of success on ones own merit and it makes society culturally boring
Justin Lewis
Work hard to advance the country as a whole. I care about the advancement of the collective, not the individual.
Luis Nguyen
So you don't care about fairness at all, but rather advancing society at the expense of the individual. Can't say I agree with that view.
Jonathan Harris
Yes, I care about fairness. Under communism all wages are the same, and the incentive is for everyone to work for the advancement of the country as a whole.
Anthony Nguyen
OP is an idiot. Go away, far away.
Hunter King
>I care about fairness Apparently not, because as you just said: >Under communism all wages are the same
So regardless of how much I contribute to society and how little others do I will get paid the exact same wages as them. Under such a system the first thing I'm doing is stop working entirely and just collect my wages, and then other people see me not working and yet getting paid anyways so they choose to do the same, and before long the entire society has stopped working because you have chosen to separate work from reward.
Levi Fisher
I could counter this with commies are just retarded and no matter how many times your rephrase the same retarded point you are trying to make it remains retarded like the last 5000 threads your retards started about this dead beaten cult.
Christian Adams
its the freedom that capitalism gives to the individual that advances society.
Big businesses create jobs and generate national wealth. All of society benefits when we support capitalism.
The ones at the top unironically arent the boogy man socialists are lead to believe, and infact are everything we have to thank for the developed western world which includes not only business but medicine, science, education too. all thanks to the wealth that capitalism generates
Jaxson Jenkins
That is pure idiocy. "The country" is an abstraction. It is meaningless. All that matters is the self. And those who make the most noise about government enforced altruism being so wonderful are NEVER those who will be required to pay the bills, in money and blood. The supporters of "all for the state" are invariably people who produce absolutely nothing, and count on "the country" to support them.
Isaac Miller
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis
Cooper Walker
>advancement of the country as a whole Can you be a pal and do a few things for me? Such as: >define "advance" >explain to me how an individual's input into "the country as a whole" can conceivably be distributed evenly amongst every member of the entire country, for the sake of "fairness" >explain whether "advancement" can continue ad infinitum, when we will know "advancement" has ended or stagnated, and what the limiting factors are for "advancement" with regards to "society as a whole" That third one depends on how you answer the first two. Basically, define your terms in ways that are measurable. Thanks in advance.
Cooper Martinez
nah
Nathaniel Garcia
>Under communism all wages are the same Never happened Commies love money
Gavin Lewis
Kek
Jaxon Brown
>be me >pro workers >kike or useful idiot pulls out the marxism shit Not dissu shit again.
Asher Garcia
Well communism has never existed. And I don't mean that in a "we should try real communism" kind of way, I'm saying that communism is so incompatible with reality that it can literally only exist in the minds of certain "intellectuals".
Anthony Evans
The only people that benefit from big business are the business owners because they want to pay their employees a starvation wage.
Logan Bennett
If ever we will achieve spacefaring, mostly of the colonial population would be poor people looking for a better life: as always was, only poor and persecuted people are willing to take risks in traveling.
If everyone have everything they want on earth without do anything (the final goal of communism) why they should take the risk of a space traveling on a world when they would have to work they ass off to create communism there too?
Jason Wilson
That's a great point that leftards don't ever seem to acknowledge. Most lefties are ineffectual, degree-clutching pussies who've never done manual labor. It was more common for laborers to earn more than healthcare providers in Soviet Russia, (according to what I learned in the American public educational system kek). An example given was that the average doctor in the USSR earned about half as much money as a truck driver made per year. So when the collectivist revolution comes around, how well will today's lefties really fare when there's clearly less demand for "soft" labor?
Cameron Nelson
>free trade!? voluntary?! hold the fuck up, you think you can keep getting away with that?! Every thread like this
Levi Evans
Ant-tier morality
Nathan Perez
communism is an economic system . is all about redistributing wealth among all people except for the leaders who don't count as all people. under communism rich get richer but everyone else is the same = poor.
Hunter Stewart
The elites will use the populist revolt to convince the proles to elect the wrong champions and when the stupid realize their mistake it will be far too late.
Lucas Cruz
Communist need enslaved, tortured or exterminated.
Jack Phillips
I unironically agree
Camden Rogers
Problem of refusing to work, being lazy, greedy, and not contributing to your country solved (pic related).
Isaiah Bailey
You are too fundamentally opposed to me by race or otherwise.
Isaiah Robinson
yes not all wages are the same. I like the economy not collapsing
John Morgan
>I have had people tell me that.. those people would be right, fuck off commie, the answer is no, the answer will always be no, and if you don't correct yourself i will have to correct you physically do i make myself clear???
David Barnes
>Capitalism goes against the evolutionary trait of morality because it dehumanize people into mere cogwheels of production That is the nature of society, not capitalism. The very morality that you praise so much is the tool that our societies use to weed out the unproductive members: the psychopaths, the thiefs, the murderers, etc. This is just natural selection, it just so happened that we went from being chased by lions to being chased by our peers for not adhering to a set of rules dictated by values, of which morality is just a part.
Caleb Morris
Morality isn't real, moron. There is no good or bad.
Aiden Evans
So you don't want Communism at all (which is stateless, classless, and the workers own the means of production) but instead want a totalitarian dictatorship. Okay, I still disagree with you, but at least you're being honest with yourself.
Anthony Foster
>I used to be one of you faggots, and it ruined my life No, you weren't, and no, it didn't.
Lincoln Gomez
> Morality is an evolutionary trait..........
Easton Rivera
>post modernist shit
Dominic Wood
>To become an galactic species we must first become a global species, and the only way that we are going to become a global species is by feeling empathy for foreign citizens which leads to unity Or by genociding all shitskins with biological weapons, which is the easier option. Why do you choose the much more difficult option of brainwashing everyone on earth into liking each other when you can just choose the simple option of killing others?
Ayden Roberts
I would buy into communism.
But how do you explain economic stagnation in Soviet Union?
Wyatt Lee
>religious shit
Isaiah Johnson
>t.city dweller >would not have this attitude if hunted and own acres of land What anticommunists get worrisome of, are; >anybody with a decent size (not huge) ownership of land or business is a Kulak/Bourgeois >for a society for "workers", it treats farmers like shit >a new upper class of "Red Bourgeois" is spawned via "Nomenklatura" and is treated "More" equal than actual workers >those with more skills/education are reduced to "equality of outcome" >centralized planning doesn't account for allocating resources to needed production (factory A produces oversupply of item A when needed item B is not produced enough by factory B because of limited resources) Mind y'all, I'm a brainlet that makes his living eradicating big pests from ranches/large properties, transporting freshly slaughtered cuts and growing/selling weed & root vegetables. So take my post with a grain of bathsalt. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union FYI, us "Kulaks" will be fixing to make some fresh pussy holes on y'all lovely temple of a body, son.
So stay in your big city or college town, boy.
William Watson
you don't know anything about his life or what he went through while being under the indoctrination of your satanic cult, do you even realize what the (((hammer and sickle))) is really an hidden-in-plain-sight ideogram of? it's a representation of saturn, the most brutal one of all, of course you most likely already know this which is why you push it you worship evil and wish to do evil upon the earth and it's people under false pretenses of virtue >the road to hell is paved with (((good intentions))) you are inhuman to the core
Noah Garcia
Stalin didn't fully centralize and consolidate control. Which allowed for Khrushchev's revisionism to make the country vulnerable to corruption, rampant black market activity, mafia-tier network of favours, and an entire second economy. Things got progressively worse until Gorbachev broke the camel's back.
Adam Gray
None of it matters anyways, the USSR wasn't even communist, nor was it trying to be.
Andrew Hughes
No, communism is inherently global. But it was socialist.
Jose Thompson
Nah, it was state capitalist. Under socialism the workers own the means of production.
Asher Evans
>Due to our advanced moral structure we have obligations that other animals do not. An abstract idea of fairness is one of those obligations. And that is why you should praise Capitalism and Democracy. Not because it's natural or perfect, but due it's fairness and wellness to the poor that no other system has ever done to a human society. PAX AMERICA is not beautiful but makes people from lesser races be treated as equal, it makes sure social mobility never ends and over all it makes the poor of a nation to improve its life quality over time?
This is why having super rich people with diamond platinum yachts and an army of teen sexual friends is not bad at all, because the more extravagant the top of the pyramid is, the more wide and large it is.
To get the idea: Who lives better the 10% bottom of Finland or the 10% bottom of North Korea?
Also communism if applied to its totality is plain anarchy. Which is ridiculous and explains why it devolves into a more repressive and hereditary system than classical monarchies. Literally madness that imbeciles and mentally weak people like you OP keep praising.
Nolan Bell
Most of the are liberals, actually. Liberals are right-of-center hipster conservatives. They do things that piss off their conservative parents. Conservatives hate muslims, so liberals love them. Conservatives hate communists, so liberals parade in red. Don't worry, soon they will "grow up" and become "older and wiser", and just like every other cuckservative little corporate dicksucking bootlicker.
Anthony Hill
No, that was under Lenin.
Aaron Thompson
The black market had been propping up the soviet economy long before krushchev
Jose Davis
So Lenin's USSR was socialist but Stalin's was not.
Kevin Price
Unironically in America, most marxist, anarchist, socialist, communist, maoist, etc, are usually prevalent/isolated in college towns and big cities bubbles; while they are RARELY in the field of producing sustenance, nor skilled maintainers of society's infrastructure and functions.
Why is that? ↑delete, I fucked up first post (ordering a burger).
Easton White
Best pasta ever.
John Rodriguez
>Shit posts about fairness and justice >One post later: if you disagree with my abstract thinking your humanity is gone
Holy shit this is why Communists are retarded
Wyatt Cook
Lenin's USSR was socialist thumbing their nose at having to deal with a war-torn backwards shithole, a devastated economy and 80% of the population being rural. NEP was adopted out of necessity. Stalin's USSR was properly socialist, except it was Siege Socialism.
Jayden Miller
>Stalin's USSR was properly socialist The people didn't own the means of production, ergo it couldn't have been socialist.
Daniel Ward
If you have to sell your labour to make a living, you're a prole.
Caleb Diaz
Bordiga plz
John Nelson
Nominally, the state owned the means of production. But since there were no capitalists, the capitalists didn't control the state under socialism - it was the workers who controlled the state. Thus, the means of production were owned by the people through the state.
An example is the fact that in socialist countries, workers elect their own managers. Whereas in capitalist countries, managers are beholden to their workers - workers have no way to remove a corrupt or incompetent manager.
Eli Phillips
So you believe that in order to survive, a socialist nation must abandon socialism. What's the point of being a socialist then?
Christopher Ortiz
Answer my two posts. Communism is the most ineffective system
Ian Bell
As long as the economic activity of the people benefits the people (rather than their owners), it's a type of socialism.
Asher White
>Thus, the means of production were owned by the people through the state. Except the state was an unelected dictator, and because this dictator was unelected the workers didn't control him, and thus the means of production couldn't have been owned by the people through the state.
Chase Barnes
Meant to say, *workers are beholden to their managers*
>North Korea and Cuba aren't real
Ayden Jenkins
So National Socialism would be considered proper socialism to you?
James Garcia
North Korea does exist, yes, although I'm not sure why anyone would want to live in that society. Cuba isn't socialist though, not anymore.
William Murphy
I think you meant Patriotic Socialism (in One Country).
And that's where your make believe la la land bullshit ideology dies. You said it yourself: you care about the collective, not the individual. So why should I, as an individual, want to work with you towards putting forth your commie ideology? You offer no incentive and only empty platitudes about what humans ought to do.
Benjamin Bennett
cool logo
Ryder Ramirez
Except under national "socialism", German crapitalists sent millions of young workers and peasants to fight an unwinnable war for resources, land, and labor power. They wiped out an entire generation of their own people, just so they could make more profit.
Even before the war, income inequality was increasing and wages were decreasing. Hitler made lucrative deals with Wall St and London banking cartels, coincidentally owned by mostly Jewish capitalists (pic related).
Elijah Torres
>So why should I, as an individual, want to work with you towards putting forth your commie ideology? Because you go to the gulag if you don't.
Carter Harris
I don't buy it, sorry. No where in reports I have seen that problem is black market and corruption. It is allways insuficent allocation, which will be solved with liberal reforms.
Carter Rogers
>So why should I, as an individual, want to work with you towards putting forth your commie ideology? You don't have a choice. You either become a decent human being by performing honest labor for the good of society (particularly the less-fortunate) - or you get a bullet to the back of the brain. If you apologize for your selfish ways, you can live out a decent life in a forced labor camp.
You're willing to kill, enslave, deceive, and rob others for your personal gain. This is why communists have had to kill so many people. Subhumans like this ancrap just don't care about anyone but themselves.
Jaxon Martinez
That isn't definition of socialism retard.
Liam Evans
>Capitalism dehumanizes people into mere cogwheels of production Ironic coming from the ideology centered around "workers" killing everyone and then working themselves to death for no personal gain, and if you don't produce you get thrown in prison to die like suggests.
Benjamin Lee
>which will be solved with liberal reforms. That is what liberashkas said after the fall of USSR. That liberalism is the answer to Russia problems. But what really happened was one of the largest plunders in the world history, and coincidentally, many of the plumbers belonged to a certain ethnicity...
Aiden Hill
>falling for the neoclassical economics meme After liberal reforms, crime rate and hard narcotics consumption spiked by 27%.
Evan Fisher
But discrimination for race is contrary to the whole communism higher moral aren't you aware how stupid you sound? One instance you justify a system for its ideals a second later you shit on them.
Joseph Green
>many of the plumbers belonged to a certain ethnicity Mamma mia
Bentley Gutierrez
Wait, by "lesser races" you were referring to yourself?
Jayden Allen
>nd if you don't produce you get thrown in prison to die I'm trying to see something wrong in this. I still can't. Do you support that criminals and welfare queens should be supported by working men and women?
Jackson Ross
>because we possess an advanced morality that allows us to feel compassion and empathy for other human beings, then an obligation is then placed on us to make a society that is more fair for everyone.
I don't feel the same way you feel. Morality is subjective and I reject yours.
Jack Moore
What's funny is that most of you commies would be the ones in the Gulag toiling away toward your delusions of grandeur that you call a utopia. You lot are mentally ill. >You're willing to kill, enslave, deceive, and rob others for your personal gain. Personally I'm not, though it sure sounds like you are. >if you don't cooperate with working under our system you're selfish and get a bullet to the head What sane levelheaded people you commies are. But really, if that's how you sincerely feel, I'm starting to understand those who advocate for physical removal. Commies truly are not human.
Joseph Edwards
And under communism millions of ethnic russians starved to death. >inb4commieclusterfuck
But the famine of 1932 hit Kazakhstan the hardest.
Jayden Flores
>You lot are mentally ill. I'm the mental ill one for saying that people who work against our society should be separated? Do you enjoy sleeping next to mad dogs?
Nathan Morris
> for no personal gain That's bullshit and you know it. Even mainstream Western academics admit socialist regimes have been responsible for massive increases in literacy, life expectancy, and living standards. Under Mao, for example, life expectancy for your average Chinese went from an atrocious 30 years to 60 years in just a single generation.
In contrast, countries which have never been run by a Communist party, like the Phillipines, India, Indonesia, most of Latin America, most of Africa - are still way worse off than the worst off socialist countries (Cuba and DPRK).
The capitalist Global South has lower literacy rates, lower life expectancy, and lower HDI (Human Development Index) than the worst off socialist countries. The countries in the Global South are brutally exploited, with most of their produced surplus value extracted to benefit First World imperialist countries like Western Europe and the USA
Jack Brooks
It's dehumanizing people into mere cogwheels of production, like the OP accused Capitalism of doing.
Aaron Adams
Holy hell the mental gymnastics of this retarded shitpost.
Jaxon Garcia
No homosexuals, mentally ill, retards, the ones with less importance in means of production
