How to Legalise Citizen Ownership of Firearms

Under what circumstances could firearm ownership be legalised in a country in which this is not permitted, such as the U.K., Ireland, France etc.

The focus of this thread is to discuss how such a goal could be achieved through democratic, political, and most of all legal means. That being said, those with insight into how the rules could be "bent", in a way that is realistic and relevant to the discussion, are welcome to share.

A referendum would likely be the mechanism by which this would come to pass, so can we speculate on what actions could lead to such a referendum? What would it take for such a happening?

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I say this every single fucking time. Europe would not be fucked if it just stole the US 2nd Amendment. That is literally all that is needed. Whites can live in civilized societies, its the niggers and jews and mudshits that need to be caged up and shipped away cuz they cant handle the responsibility of guns.

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In most of Western Europe and Asia its impossible, their people are way too trusting of the government and ignorant on guns. Eastern Europe and Latin America have some hope in the future, maybe even Africa if the EVER get their shit together.

Forgot to add in my OP that the U.S. 2nd amendment model is the type of gun-ownership laws we're hoping to achieve, just to define the end-goal.

I think you are correct in saying that western cultures based on judaeo-christian values have a track-record of not indiscriminately shooting the shit out of each other.

Guns are legal in the UK. Just not for the majority of people. You "must demonstrate a necessity" for owning a gun. Ranchers and farm owners in rural areas can own guns.

The purpose of this thread is not to bemoan how "impossible" the task is; please factor that in, and give your take on the current situation, but if you know *anything* about the issue please spitball and speculate as to how it could come about.

>Save a coon, bin that spoon.

Please see My bad for not clearly defining the problem.

If communists come to power. That's about it.

The entire Bill of Rights was a concession to the more radical liberals in US, and pretty much an afterthought. Writing the love letter to the landowners that is the Constitution took precedence.

Forgive me, Padre...

Well, the Czech Republic is in the process of implementing a 2nd amendment for their nation. I think the key is pointing out the simple statistics that gun control has never reduced the homicide rate, and that democide is that greatest non-natural cause of death in the world, so naturally it follows that widespread gun ownership is something to be desired. Appeal to populism and nationalism as well, pointing out that an armed population means that the nation is ultimately under control of the people, and for places like Poland point out things like the Warsaw Uprising which show how much damage an armed population can do.

Thanks user, I didn't know C.R. was in the process of doing that. Quick rundown for everybody else here:

bbc.com/news/world-europe-40438378

>The lower house of the Czech parliament has agreed to alter the constitution so that firearms can be held legally when national security is threatened.

>The amendment gives Czechs the right to use firearms during terrorist attacks.

>The move by parliament is a challenge to (((EU))) gun control rules which restrict civilians from possessing certain kinds of semi-automatic weapons.

>"We don't want to disarm our citizens at a time when the security situation in Europe is getting worse," Interior Minister Milan Chovanec told parliament on Wednesday.

>"Show me a single terrorist attack in Europe perpetrated using a legally-owned weapon."

>Many Czechs in rural areas also carry firearms for use when hunting.

This is a great start, and it's the primary concerned for Cucked Europe at the moment. Militias, state-sponsored and private training, no carry but allowed for home defence.

This isn't a cause europeans care about

get rid of the monarchy make a republic realize if you dont produce ever then yoru a nigger and thats what all your politicians and ours most now are

look in to real law. read blacks dictionary, read about maxims of law. i made all that shit up too before the book was ever told to me it was wrote. i knew niggers where subhumans, no wait. wiat yea i did i just never saw one until i got older.

Apparently northern ireland is fairly tolerant of firearms, so I guess forming paramilitaries is the way to go.

Your point is somewhat incoherent, can you clarify a little?

>their people are way too trusting of the government and ignorant on guns.

This may come off as begging (because it is), but shit is turning really bad in Europe, we can all see it, it's a big joke. But when push comes to shove, it's the U.S. that's going to have to clean up the mess; as they always do, and I fucking thank you and your fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, brothers, sisters, mothers, friends for it.

Shit is turning really bad in Europe. Is there any will to meme-magic an information campaign about legal gun-ownership to mitigate the coming conflict?

any citizen can join a rifle club and buy a rifle afterwards, only handguns are banned.

Our laws are cucked don't get me wrong but anyone can own a gun if they have a clean record. The issue is here the masses have been brainwashed to actually think guns are banned outright in their own country and if they don't think they are banned they are scary and evil.

It's never going to happen by referendum in the UK unless a mass redpilling happens, I'm leaving to USA anyway fuck this county.

that's not the lesson you should learn from northern Ireland

The real answer is long intergenerational campaign by extremely well-funded lobbying group that can bribe or intimidate the majority of a country's politicians into accepting gun rights.

Britain is a social landmine. Legalise guns here and all hell will break loose

It's surely becoming a growing concern, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Why do you think it's not a major talking point, what is the difference in thinking?

If this was made in jest, I rate you 10/10 for subtly. But otherwise we've seen paramilitary organisations inevitably turn into criminal ones, so that's a sorta a dead end. Any detail on Northern Ireland's gun laws, specifically?

I'm from Ireland and I had no idea it was that cut-and-dry in the U.K. We have some ownership for land-owners, but I'm told by those in the know that it's almost impossible to get one these days. Please red-pill me on British gun laws, hit the main points pl0x, what you can and cannot do.

Also, you're going to love it over here m8.

This is a nonsense answer, gun-ownership has been a part of the U.S. since it's inception, the NRA is primarily funded by those who legally own guns, and want a body that lobbys for their constitutional rights.

You act like guns were illegal and then big-money made them legal. Nonsense argument.

lobby isnt part of any republic

Handguns are totally banned, you can get UK modified versions though with super long barrels and prongs like a stock on the handle so they are rifle length, look super autistic and gay.

Shotguns are available to all by simply applying for an SGC and passing background check. 2+1 capacity and no semi auto

Rifles and semi auto shotgun or above 2+1 capacity need section one FAC which can only be acquired after passing probationary in a gun club after 6 months. Pass background check and renew every 5 years.

All guns need a gun safe and you can lose your license over the most bullshit of reasons.

No limits on magazine size or caliber on FAC. However they are trying to ban 50s and MARS for literally no reason and regulate airguns now.

Big backlash from shooter over this and many are becoming pissed at out gun laws following all terrorism etc, however the masses are still cucked so a referendum will fail.

guns are legal in the UK...

You know what I mean lad.

You've revealed my ignorance to the issue, but that was the point I suppose, to gather info. The meta-issue here then is why gun-ownership isn't more popular? I know there has been several kerfuffles over hunting there, how big a part does that have to play in the culture?

>Under what circumstances could firearm ownership be legalised in a country in which this is not permitted, such as the U.K., Ireland, France etc.
By using firearms.

Guns are not the issue in the UK.
America allows ownership of guns for sport, hunting, self defence and resisting tyranny.
The UK also allows ownership of guns for sport and hunting. But it is illegal to own ANY weapon for self defence. If you buy a gun for self defence it is illegal, if you have a knife for self defence it is illegal, if you have a rolled up news paper for self defence it is illegal. So the issue isn't guns, the issue is changing the law to allow people to carry weapons for self defence.
The UK is fairly unique due to the fact that both sides of the political spectrum hate and distrust the common people. The right hate the common people because they want decent wages, consumer protections and to stop mass immigration. The left hate the common people because they want to keep their traditional culture, protect their children from degeneracy and stop mass immigration. Neither side wants common people to be able to defend themselves. Needless to say there is absolutely no right to bear arms to resist government tyranny.
To actually change the laws regarding self defence in the UK would require a full on take over of the government.

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Those types of countries only allow gun ownership under the immediate threat of war, see: Falkland Islands gun laws

Countries like those mentioned a coup is the only possible way

Hunting is seen as a cruel thing rich old dudes do after oppressing minorities with things like "providing jobs" and "paying for most of the NHS".

Gun ownership used to be widespread and a respectful and honored thing here but years of cultural Marxism, chipping away gun rights and brainwashing from politicians and media have completely reverted it.

Most populace would think you were a psychopath for wanting to own a gun and there is so much red tape and regulations and beurocratic nightmares around owning the damn things most don't even bother, especially since you can't use it for its primary purpose, self defense, without going to jail and having all your guns binned.

Things would have to get really bad here to wake people the fuck up and accept guns might be necessary.

Come home, friend.

Sadly this, our government hates us and would sooner see us get raped and killed by muslims than let us have guns back.

Meanwhile they have 24/7 armed security outside their homes and armed bodyguards wherever they go. They know full well guns are necessary for self preservation but deliberately deny them to the citizens because they know full well as soon as we get guns back they would get kicked out of parliament and executed in the streets.

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>Things would have to get really bad here to wake people the fuck up and accept guns might be necessary.

You realise though if they could be bought as freely as in America we'd have 11 year old chats raiding the local corner shop with sawn offs. Mass shootings would also go through the roof.

Just need to finish my degree m8 and I am outta here.

Islamic immigration may actually spur a change like this in the future.

Speaking of firearms, the Vegas shooters brother was arrested on Child Porn charges today, the same day we find out the shooters hard drive is missing from his laptop:

Pro-Gun people believe only minorities commit crimes with guns

>Ireland
You can own guns in Ireland, but not handguns.

>How to Legalise Citizen Ownership of Firearms

Do like we did, make it a right that supersedes the law of any land and it shall not be abridged.

Lol a guy literally held a bowling alley hostage with a sawn off shotgun a couple of days ago in the UK.

Also
>Be chav
>have American gun laws
>chav denied guns due to criminal record and drug use

Careful, that'll get you banned (like I was).

There isn't that much red tape. You join a shooting club and then apply for a licence, when you are filling in the bit asking why you need a gun you say 'I am a member of a shooting club'. You then get a gun safe installed, someone comes and looks at it and confirms 'yes that is a gun safe' and you are done. Theoretically the police have a right to come and look at it and check that you are actually keeping all your guns in there, but they never actually bother.

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i would love if we got something like the american second amendment.. ohhbaby i would have a arsenal whit i a week! pls america! help us poor poor Europeans, we dont have oil but we want FREEEDDDOOOOMMMM!!!

That sucks, but if I had to choose between the two I would choose rifles. You can't fight a tyrannical government with handguns.

What tosses me is that you guys can apparently acquire hand grenades pretty easily. I'm jealous.

In a small country like mine with a large conservative rural population it would be relatively easy to achieve by referendum. An organisation like the NRA with modest funding could win with a campaign based around Irish rebellions for the establishment of our Republic.

There already is huge public pressure on the government to change our home defence laws where currently we can only use reasonable force if an intruder is in the room we sleep in.

Its really easy for American organisations to influence Irish politics with money. Same sex marriage passed because American liberals and celebrities bankrolled the gays to a tune of 400% more funding than the anti-gay side had. With our abortion referendum next summer, i'm praying that American religious groups help us fund against abortion because it will be an easy win if they do.

Homicides wouldn't increase at all though.

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>guy literally held a bowling alley hostage with a sawn off shotgun a couple of days ago in the UK

Point made
(As a potential normie ender I'd like lax laws)

External threat. Only way. When the King is threatened by invasion he wants all citizens armed to protect his ass.

You can own pistols. Any calibre if your licence was issued before 2009. After that you're restricted to .22 only.

>drive to shooting range
>Get car jacked
>go to jail and lose gun rights for irresponsible gun ownership
>Get speeding ticket
>lose gun rights
>need GP to sign your license, need another two sponsors to Co sign as a reference
>need to get accepted into a club with a load of old Fudds that will kick you out for showing up with a modern style black rifle
>police can sit on your documents as long as they like to stop you getting your license or new guns

It's a nightmare, trust me.

Come on buddy, I'm your guy, how would you go about promoting the legal ownership of firearms, and the sense of self-efficacy and responsibility that based American gun-owners enjoy? Do you at least agree that it is necessary?

OK, so this is a another side of the argument, it would seem that guns are not so easy to acquire in the UK.

>Things would have to get really bad here to wake people the fuck up and accept guns might be necessary.

We would like to avoid that outcome, I'm sure we can agree. So how could one go about actively changing that outcome, to promote the necessity for a well-armed, responsible society? You're from there, you probably already have some of the answers, so spitball away please.

Garbage. Criminals commit crimes with guns. That's why robbery in the UK is FAR more likely to happen when the victims are home (for wallets, jewelery etc) than in the US, which are usually done when victims are away since they don't want to get BTFA. For now, and forever, this will be a garbage argument.

Walk me through the process, though, how difficult is it?

>Do like we did, make it a right that supersedes the law of any land and it shall not be abridged.

AKA referendum, how would you wage an information campaign to make this a talking point?

>how would you go about promoting the legal ownership of firearms
By using firearms, winning, and then establishing law in the new constitution.

I think we're going to need a civil war where the hordes attack us whiteys and then have the Americans arm us like they do to rebels in other countries when our government refuses to defend the racists. Once flooded with arms all it would take is having to use them for us to absolutely never give them up again because the memory of their necessity would be fresh in everyone's minds.

Short of that I really doubt anythings ever going to change for the better.

>how such a goal could be achieved through democratic, political, and most of all legal means
Unpossible. That's what private gun ownership is specifically for. Я дингyc

To be honest if chavs git hold of them.at least they'd kill eachother off in a month

Not sure it's possible. That's exactly why our constitution is set up the way it is. It is the highest law of the land so that politicians aren't. Even if every Brit voted for something like the second amendment they don't really have to follow the will of the people.

That's not to say our politicians don't regularly sidestep or entirely disregard the constitution, but the theory is sound.

The Pro-Gun argument would lose in a landslide if put to a referendum in Europe. Americans are delusional if they believe there's any support there.

Get off your knees, White Man.

Get off your knees, White Man.

You're mostly right, user, but this is defeatist, there are surely some routes in place for the population to cuck the gov into a referendum, given enough red-pilling, right?

Posting with cynicism is fine, but at least give us your "what-if" scenario, what you'd believe to be the best shot, no matter how slim the odds.

you have to ask your government permission to own a rifle and only bolt actions are allowed over .22 caliber. cucknifornia has easier gun laws than you do.

I think the growing muslim population in Europe may begin to change that though, both because they form a threat to the rest of Europe, and because the muslims themselves don't give a shit about gun laws and will be armed anyways.

You fuckers forgot about the "world wide" part.

>the muslims themselves don't give a shit about gun laws

Where's your evidence for this?

>AKA referendum, how would you wage an information campaign to make this a talking point?

No, you don't understand.

Our 'Bill of Rights' were put in place to protect those rights that we have had since before the inception of the united States.

Learn to Civics.

Once you do, you'll have a great appreciation for those Inherent Rights and maybe appreciate what it means to be a U.S. Citizen.

To actively change it without the country descending into chaos and them being necessary the normie masses would need a huge redpilling and anti brainwashing of pretty much everything they think they know about guns.

As soon as the idea is brought up here you have 10 people versus the 1 going MUH AMERICA SHOOTINGS MUH TERROISTS GETTING THEM MUH WE HAVE NO SHOOTINGS SO WE ARE OBVIOUSLY SAFER EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A LOT OF GUN KNIFE AND ACID CRIME HIGHER THAN NEW YORK NOW IN LONDON.

The population is retarded and ignorant, and that's what the government and media wanted and achieved, like I said before, it would require a massive red pill event and a government total replacement to happen. No party actually supports gun rights, not a single one.

realistically, if an event broke out in which the public protection (i.e. police) were unable to respond, and someone who owned legal guns, in UK id assume only hunting rifles for the event, would have to take action and shut it down saving the day in order for any type of action to be taken realizing that legal gun owners, with ability to carry - are the single best defense against an enemy that can strike anywhere at any time. If they could realize that responsible gun ownership and carry could defend against these random acts of terror and in turn save lives with response time, maybe, just maybe they could work to make things lean OPs way.

I have a great appreciation for it already, pal, I'm red-pilled on the Constitution of the United States and it's simply beautiful. I'm asking how we can avoid the usual scenario and instead leverage tech, communications and truthful dissemination of knowledge to make a better outcome

we can have lever and MARS above. 22, I never said our laws weren't retarded, but guns aren't totally banned here like most think.

>MUH AMERICA SHOOTINGS MUH TERROISTS GETTING THEM MUH WE HAVE NO SHOOTINGS SO WE ARE OBVIOUSLY SAFER EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A LOT OF GUN KNIFE AND ACID CRIME HIGHER THAN NEW YORK NOW IN LONDON.

Go to Chicago, land of the strictest gun laws in the U.S.

Then get back to me.

All the shootings in Europe as well as the abundance of firearms in the middle east despite
strong gun control laws there.

We're full.

Go breed more white babies in the U.K. and fix your own shit.

Preaching to the choir there mate, unfortunately our general populace is retarded.

I disagree. Traitors with no interest in saving their country should leave for America immediately. They will find plenty of like-minded people there.

USA could use more immigration of whites that love your country and constitution Mr 56%

>I'm asking how we can avoid the usual scenario and instead leverage tech, communications and truthful dissemination of knowledge to make a better outcome

Thank you for your appreciation.

Which usual scenario?

As far as a better outcome, what do you have in mind?

Yankophiles really make me sick.

it's just semantics. in america if you don't have a guarunteed right to something it's probably on its way to being banned. a free man doesn't have to ask his master permission.

This interests me. Probably not for the same reasons as you - but that might actually give you a possible strategy.

I concider it not a 'right' to defend your life but a 'God given obligation'. I honestly and profoundly believe I will be denied glory if I do not defend my self even in the most hopeless of circumstances.

It is "religion".

I find sikhs to be based. Aside from the faggotry with the hair and beard they are required to carry a knife and a braclet at all times.

I always carry a weapon for the same reasons; but concealed. It is my holy conviction that Jesus is pro open carry.

>a free man never has to ask a master for permission.

ftfy

why would they need that? do you realize how easy it is to pretty much manufacture a fire arm. Think about it our ancestors were making them 200+ years ago. Shit I bet bongland and frogland have libraries that still have books on constructing the sten gun.
>also any bongland or frogs can you guys buy black powder pistol kits? most states here you can buy them if you're like 16

Black powder is classed as antique and totally unregulated, you can hang that shit on your wall fully functional and they can't do shit against you legally.

Wonder if he ever returned. Thought about it for years in the back of my head.

another possibility here.

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I mean really, the situation is fucking ideal for muslims in Europe right now. They're breeding while the Europeans aren't, they're being let in my the millions, their actions are being excused while attracting radicals around the world, and they have a perfectly subservient and unarmed population ready to be massacred by militants. You're probably right, if I'm being honest, Europe will likely never accept widespread gun ownership, but they are absolutely fucked if they don't.

Well. Thats numbers atleast. Kek agrees, but I guess I wasted my numbers on a chill shill thread.

does it have to be an actual antique or do they sell the kits to make them yourselves?

Elect people from within your community that share your ideas and values. Then help to fund and vote them into government office at all levels. This is exactly what democracy is for.

And there's nothing defeatist about shooting the other guy. It's winning by default.

>any other bong or frog want to answer
does it have to be antique or can you just buy a modern reproduction or kit to build your own? There's tons of cap and ball revolvers around that could get you a five shot 'legal' gun if you really were desperate if they are allowed

nth crusade when?

I’m upset I’m late to this thread, I’ve been saying for a long time now that Euros need to fight hard for their gun rights. Of course, that’s easy to say from where I’m standing, but (((they))) are coming for ours too.

I’ve been thinking a lot about this, and I think euros need to start with the small alt-right and identitarian movements cropping up around the continent. They will know more than anyone the increasing need for self-preservation.

Also, this may sound silly, but consider getting proficient with a bow. It may not be pragmatic for in home defense, but if you and all your buddies have them that could be a substantial threat in any sort of demonstration or riot or in the streets protest

the NRA made it a market dumbfuck. It has nothing to do with honorable causes, its only there to extract revenue from you by making you afraid. That's what the whole bait and switch was with the bump stock ban. The same story has played out countless times with every mass shooting.

Europeans can legally own firearms.
Our right to own firearms has not stopped us from being multicultural.