Halloween was my favorite holiday as a child, and if you think about the American tradition you realize it's a proto-anonymous situation.
You wear a mask and are unidentifiable, and FEEL unidentifiable. Mischief is part of the tradition, dating back to the 30s, where they would put farm equipment on top of the roofs of neighbors or light small fires and smear petroleum jelly all over windows. In the 90s when I grew up it was literally 'smashing pumpkins' (grab the carved pumpkins under cover of night, run away and throw it on the ground, dashing it into pieces like a glass orb). We would 'roll' houses (throw toilet paper on the trees).
Halloween, being more pagan in its origins than Christian, seems not to be under target like the more explicitly Christian Christmas and Easter, both of which are being removed from more traditional candies, department stores, greeting signs, and public school celebrations every year. While those traditions continue to erode in America, millennial Americans watching their history be taken way from them daily cannot help but love seeing Halloween ("prejudiced" costumes aside) enjoy its time in the sun as a cherished, humorous, and joyous tradition in the current cultural marxist era.
So Europeans and Anglosphere dwellers: what is your countries' take on this holiday, if there is one?
Yes. It came from Ireland, I believe. Hail the ancestors.
Kayden Howard
Do any english do it though?
Also curious about French, Germans and Italians.
Nolan Evans
We do it a bit in Russia
Julian Anderson
>more pagan in its origins than Christian What Christian origin
Owen Rogers
I remember halloween and the 4th of July as the only two occasions seeing Americans out on the streets.
Julian Butler
Germans adopt it pretty much from the US this days, even though we had our own "Helloween" what was a pagan Festival named Samhain
Wyatt Hughes
Halloween is gay. 1. May and Fasnet is where it is. No needs for masks, just get drunk and destroy shit
Ryan Rivera
I'm English. We don't allow our children to take part in petty vandalism.
Juan Parker
surely you can elaborate
>even though we had our own "Helloween" what was a pagan Festival named Samhain That's as irish as it gets. German horror films from the 70s-90s are seeing a cult resurgence in the past 15 years due to online distribution, fwiw. I only saw Buttergeit's films a few years ago and already they are Halloween cannon
cool i never heard of this yet
No comment
Jayden Perry
>Halloween is gay
here it's always been the "Samaín" aka Samhain
Joseph Baker
the question, in short, is how, and whether, Europeans celebrate this tradition
Bentley Stewart
Of course they do, they copy everything we do :^)
Levi Brown
I throw a halloween party every year as an excuse to fill my flat with drunk roasties dressed up like sluts for my mates to pump and dump. Pretty much the only reason anyone would celebrate it here.
I remember that in that time of the year you could smell the potato fires everywhere and in the region where I lived was everything covered in fog
Andrew Martin
It's Halloween everyday when half of their women dress as beekeepers, garbage bags, ninjas, and "ghosts of color".
Tyler Williams
lol
Blake Rodriguez
Barely.
Liam Bailey
its just as big up here burger bro
Adrian Jenkins
it came from Europe. America didnt invent Halloween.
Brandon Foster
degenerate
Jose Moore
Part 1
As millions of children and adults participate in the fun of Halloween on the night of October 31st, few will be aware of its ancient Celtic roots in the Samhain (Samain) festival. In Celtic Ireland about 2,000 years ago, Samhain was the division of the year between the lighter half (summer) and the darker half (winter). At Samhain the division between this world and the otherworld was at its thinnest, allowing spirits to pass through.
The family's ancestors were honoured and invited home whilst harmful spirits were warded off. People wore costumes and masks to disguise themselves as harmful spirits and thus avoid harm. Bonfires and food played a large part in the festivities. The bones of slaughtered livestock were cast into a communal fire, household fires were extinguished and started again from the bonfire. Food was prepared for the living and the dead, food for the ancestors who were in no position it eat it, was ritually shared with the less well off.
Justin Hill
Part 2
Christianity incorporated the honouring of the dead into the Christian calendar with All Saints (All Hallows) on November 1st, followed by All Souls on November 2nd. The wearing of costumes and masks to ward off harmful spirits survived as Halloween customs. The Irish emigrated to America in great numbers during the 19th century especially around the time of famine in Ireland during the 1840's. The Irish carried their Halloween traditions to America, where today it is one of the major holidays of the year. Through time other traditions have blended into Halloween, for example the American harvest time tradition of carving pumpkins.
Two hills in the Boyne Valley were associated with Samhain in Celtic Ireland, Tlachtga and Tara. Tlachtga was the location of the Great Fire Festival which begun on the eve of Samhain (Halloween). Tara was also associated with Samhain, however it was secondary to Tlachtga in this respect.
The entrance passage to the Mound of the Hostages on the Hill of Tara is aligned with the rising sun around Samhain. The Mound of the Hostages is 4,500 to 5000 years old, suggesting that Samhain was celebrated long before the first Celts arrived in Ireland about 2,500 years ago.
Camden Rodriguez
It's the fête des morts, but we don't celebrate the same way as you do. We have to go to the cemetery to clean up the graves of our family members and put new flowers. We don't eat candies or disguise.
Ethan Walker
We’ve adopted the American style: free candy as a kid, party and sluts as an adult.
My favourite holiday desu
Gavin Lopez
We have something like that here once a year. The blessing of the graves, but I'm not sure of the exact date.
Logan Kelly
i just visit and tend to my love ones graves.
Henry Watson
Just did an absolutely abhorrent fart - how's that for Halloween?
Robert Perry
You have awakened a powerful nostalgia in me user, I had the ghost bucket and I kept legos in it and I think it glowed in the dark.
Caleb Evans
In France there were huge shilling efforts from big retailers to make it widespread in the 90's and 2000's but people never really caught to it and besides the ten most retarded kids of the town and some parties where a good chunk of people don't even make the effort to disguise themselves, this basically doesn't exist. Most people don't even buy candies for the children neither answer when kids ring their house. A good example of failed americanization.
Nolan Watson
Only students who are looking for a reason to get drunk and laid celebrate that here. The traditional thing to do is to go to the graves of your ancestors and light candles. And be sad. Shit looks dope though.
Blake Torres
Funny. These were always my favorite two days of the year. 4th because of going into fireworks stores and then going to see the BIG stuff at night. Going into a nice fireworks store in the 1990s was truly special. The smell of powder in the air.
Halloween was very much just a spooky in a fun way time. The feeling of the crisp air, the smell of the fallen leaves and shit. The decorating and all the fun little toys and shit you could get in catalogs like jelly eyes that glowed in the dark, the masks and whatnot. And carving your pumpkins after doing your homework on a cool October evening, the smell of the pumpkins, roasting up the seeds in the oven.
You can't put a price on these things.
Hunter Richardson
> >it's vaguely understood here that the tradition is "British" and maybe "celtic" in nature, where you would carve gourds out to ward off evil sprits, but the explicit Irish nature of the holiday isn't that widely acknowledged. I don't think I buy that it's that simple, though I know what you c/p'd is a part of it.
>>The entrance passage to the Mound of the Hostages on the Hill of Tara is aligned with the rising sun around Samhain. The Mound of the Hostages is 4,500 to 5000 years old, suggesting that Samhain was celebrated long before the first Celts arrived in Ireland about 2,500 years ago.
>I want to believe
> empty :/
> >thx for the info
> >:) 85 baby here. We're getting older.
I was talking with a young frech guy i played pc games with a few years ago and he basically said this to me about halloween. He seemed bitter that people were trying to make it contagious circa 2012-2014
Daniel Edwards
Hallowen in my country is for visiting the graves, but we have same stuff in spring only differnece is the masks we make:^)
Anthony Torres
Not much to add. It's true that before the late 90s we only knew about it from american shows or movies. Then they pushed it hard for a few years, '99 and on, I think, but it lost momentum. I remember there was a backlash about "Dem damn murricans, trying to force their consumerist celebration on us"
These days, shops feel they need decorate with a few pumpkins and spoopy novelties and, besides a small bunch of kids asking for candies, that's all there is to it.
Josiah Gutierrez
very perceptive comment. As an adult in my early 30s this is what I've noticed more than anything.
What makes Halloween so psychologically potent, I think, looking back as an adult, is that it's the single event of a year where you are socially allowed to walk up to the door of your neighbors houses and interact with them. You say "trick or treat" while your parents are at the back, and the adult homeowner neighbor gives you candy and is polite and sometimes theatrical. You get to see a glimpse of your neigbhros indoors for a moment - something you never get to see any other time unless you are a close friend or invited to a neighborhood party. Christmas time is the most magical holiday, and other holidays have their charm and beauty, but none of them have this element of interaction with the community. And as a child you feel immune to embarrassment because you wear a mask and your parents are far behind. My memories of Halloween in the early 90s as a young toddler are some of the most potent and lasting in my life as an adult.
Justin Watson
Nailed it. Pure Americana.
Watching slasher movies on VHS is the other part.
Kevin Reed
It looks dope
David Jackson
Is it good or bad? Part of celebration a jewish weding
Thomas Morales
I have never see this kind of masks, i like it
Michael Reed
Its usually made from wood, its common charakters:animals like goat , devil ,jews,witch ,gypsies and other evil spirits its purpuae is to scary winter away
Kayden King
Of course we celebrate it, we're Americanized after all. Yes, kids even do trick or treats.
But the real holiday here it's called Ognissanti (every saint) or just called i santi . Basically every day of the year Is dedicated to a particular saint, but the 31 October is dedicated to all of them. And then you got the first of November, "I morti" (the dead) when you remember and honour the defuncts
Caleb Baker
Also a gypsie mask
James Bennett
Ahahah that's way more scary than the american halloween masks. My fav is the jew nurse
Aaron Allen
The Netherlands has Saint Martin's Day which is kinda similar to Halloween. Kids take their lanterns and sing a song at people's door and get candy for it. However, recently Halloween seems to be getting more popular.
not gonna lie that sounds terrible plus we do that whenever we visit our relatives
Wyatt Sanchez
No, fuck that imported bullshit. We have All Saints' Day. We got to the cemeteries and pay respect to our ancestors.
Dylan King
Bout that. Christmas time came in third. It mostly started when my grandmother sent all us kids these neat ribbon chains. There was a little card at the top, and I would write a few gifts I wanted for Christmas on the inside. Attached was a nice bow with bells, and 25 ribbons linked into a chain. I was allowed to cut one ribbon a night until Christmas. Really made the season feel seasonal, not just a day.
Getting older, helping split logs for firewood to store in the basement was always a fun time to hang out with my father and sometimes other dudes(uncles and my brother). Talking over the hydraulic woodsplitter was hard but who gives a fuck. It was fun to use. Just stick a piece of log/stump on and let engineering do the rest. The smell of fresh-split wood is absolutely unique. We'd load the cut up into the lawnmower trailer and haul it to the recessed entrance of the basement(easier than getting a pickup into by far), then haul the wood in via purpose-built firewood trucks. Loading in 2 tons of wood for the season wasn't unheard of. And that was just for part of the season.
These kinds of things epitomize fall and winter for me. Now I'm down in Florida chasing a quick retirement(I plan to go back home). At first I hated it down here. NO CHANGING LEAVES? NO SNOW? WHAT THE FUCK? But now, at least in Brevard, It's grown on me. Has its own American flavor.
No kidding. My ancestors (yup, muh ancestors) came here and brought their tradition with them, and we built it into something cool and fun, while you Nigels forgot about it ages ago, then saw Americans having fun and decided to copy it, then decided to try to claim it because you share the same ancestors as me.
If it wasn't for Americans, the tradition would be dead.
Gavin Carter
It was also believed that thousands of years ago every fire in Ireland would be extinguished and re-lit from the fire on the mound. To this day the tradition of ligthing bonfires at halloween still exists. When I was a kid every area in every town would have their own bonfire. These days there is less bonfires and the American element is creeping in more and more. Its sad because in a generation or so kids will have forgotten the ancient origins of samhain and just assume it is all about candy and pumpkins.
Ryan Flores
Just moslems walking from door to door demanding candy and smashing your shit and smearing toothpaste if you're not a home or didn't have any
Ryder Mitchell
Tradition tends to last here, at least in the common society. Sure, Europeans have tradition that kicks ass, like with racing and autos, but even there the EU is butchering them. F1, Le Mans, and WRC are all shadows of their former glory. Will we ever see 225mph down the Mulsanne again?
Tradition lasts here partly because we market things. Tradition becomes something to do business in, and thus holds value. Our consumerist culture in its own way(not intentional) helps preserve tradition. Hell, just drinking my can of Yuengling here, "Traditional Lager" is branded right on the can. And they mean it. And it sells. And a Lager tastes like it's brewed with some care for good taste, not just to put out swill for alcoholics to guzzle like with InBev trash.
Wyatt Wood
Well-carved pumpkins glowing at night are just as cool as bonfires. And I've seen bonfires that would make the EU call for a resolution. You know all that firewood I mentioned? Well anything that couldn't be made into firewood was tossed on a pile about the size of two semi-trailers and lit by marine flare.
Wyatt Evans
Get back to us when that "tradition" has lasted 5,000 years. Until it has lasted that long its just a passing fad.
Brody Parker
Does it matter? Why does that matter? Is that the best you guys can do? Where's the festiveness of just burning a pile of wood? Shit I grew up doing that as part of work. You live on a farm and you'll do it a few times a year. Hell every fall, my house would all go out and rake up the fallen oak/beech/gum leaves into 5 foot piles. Four or so of them. After dinner my dad lit all 3-4 of em and we'd chill out in the yard(my yard was banked toward the front field), and let em burn/smolder in the cold air, enjoying the twilight.
I grew up doing things you consider an event, as a pastime. Something fun to do on a fall night. Halloween is HUGE, especially in rural communities where people know one another.
Also, if I forgot. The county fair in late Sep/early Oct. 4H and agricultural stuff first, go have some funnel cakes, then go on the rides. And then, as if you couldn't get more awesome. Tractor pulling. When you either- 1. Make stock diesel tractors do shit they ain't sposed to do. OR 2. Build your own tractor with 4 hemi engines or maybe a helicopter turboshaft engine for lulz youtube.com/watch?v=wRj8dU37XDM youtube.com/watch?v=04iDOHyzZto
Brayden Wood
>jews, gypsies and other evil spirits
Nice.
Zachary Taylor
Exact same thing here in Wallonia, except we call it Toussaint ("all the saints")
Logan Thompson
I've got to admit they are some pretty cool tractors and if we had that here I won't lie, I would go watch it. As for halloween and tradition, I like that we have had our Samhain for thousands of years. It was a spiritual festival, not a commercial one. It was part of peoples existence at the time that would have been comparable with only Christmas nowadays. Its great that you have your halloween, but I don't see it as a replacement for a tradition we have have for thousands of years. Back then they didn't have plaatic pumpkins from China or scream masks from Thialand. They had wood and they burned it. Wood which was a resource for survival was offered up in celebration. Just because it dosen't have the big bells and whistles of a hollywood production dosen't mean it is any less of a celebration. It has survived this long for a reason.
Disgusting meme festivity, doesn't belong to this country nor continental Europe or Asia, Valentine tier garbage. Same with the consumistic Christmas faggotry and Coca Claus.
Never opened the door for trick or treat, there's Epifania here as counterpart. Should be a thing in Spain and Portugal too.
> goat , devil ,jews,witch ,gypsies and other evil spirits >jews and gypsies >and other evil spirits I honestly hope you have the best halloween ever
Jace Gomez
Saved this rare merchant pic.
Austin Harris
I love Halloween! And I celebrate it every year.
Logan Butler
I'm just saying. We haven't been here that long, so don't hold it against us. Out in rural/farm America, there's traditions predating the foundation of the US.
The more urban you get the less traditional. And indeed, lots of things come from the old country. Lots of stuff from the Emerald Isle that's been tweaked a bit with more Germanic flavors. A good place to still find these ancient-rooted things is in true county fairs. Where 4H and etc still do their thing.
It definitely ain't from apefrica or chinkland, that's for sure.
TIP: 1. NEVER visit the US for the cities. They suck. 2. Visit in the second week of October, and cruise around the Blue Ridge, Skyline Drive, Smoky Mountains. VISIT Smoky Mountains National Park.
We aren't 5000 years old but there's plenty here that still holds onto that pre-industrial human spirit.
Isaac Moore
My mother is responsible for bringing halloween to New Zealand
Henry Perry
I'm not trying to use the 5000 years to bash you because that is a stupid argument for me to use. I just like our traditions. It would be sad to see them swallowed up with commercialism. You paint a picture of the kind of America I like. Not the city living, the country living. That is where I think the heart of your country is. I think it is the same here. Thrre is two parts to Ireland Dublin and the rest of the country.
I think in both our cases it is the people outside the cites who are more inclined to hold on to traditions, whatever those traditions maybe. Only a couple of hours ago I was listening to music from those areas you named because it is very similar to music from here. You have good things over so don't think that I'm having a go at America.
Ayden Flores
"Klaubauf" in East Tyrol (Dec 6th), basically a more violent St. Nicolas/ Krampus tradition.
Rules: the young men of a village meet on the main square to face off other young men (often from another village) dressed up as Krampus-like figures (the masks without horns though) for ritualized brawling: the aim is to throw the opponent on the ground AND then help him up. Everyone who climbs over the fence wants to know it, and is fair game. Also there's a heavy table involved which has to fought over, and turned over.
The young women and everyone else usually watch from behind the fence, but lately some have begun participating.
Two problems we have in the US. 1. People don't think we have a tradition, or traditions. It's because of how loud and flashy advertising and marketing are here, things rooted in our cities. Speaking of which... 2. Our cities. 99% of what most folks see of the United States is from our cities. Cities have never been our best thing. Like I said, don't ever visit here and waste time in urban centers. Small cities/large towns can be nice. Depending. Montpelier for example, or Asheville. The really old ones with populations under 60K are where you'll find some heart.
People in general just suck at large population groups. The more bodies added to the pile the more it stinks. In collectives/groups, smaller is better.
Joshua Hill
I thought irish holiday is more like day of the dead except kids would go door to door for gifts and I don’t think it was candy but it was food or somthing else I wanna say soap but idk. I love everything about haloween especially the aesthetic.
Landon Brooks
It’s not the same
Hudson Bennett
>Get attacked by savages >stand there and get your ass beat and your clothes ripped off while your women watch Kek truly a white tradition.
Jack Carter
That’s hot as fuck though and the guy that wins a fight in front of all the women becomes a cock god for the night.
Henry Taylor
Halloween gay as fuck. >lets dress up like anime characters, ask for chocolates and do silly pranks on each other Fucking gay >Not hinoring the ancient gods of your people >Not staying in a lighted up cementary and build altars in honor of your ancestors >not lighting up candles under the moonlight while the Aztec gods of the underworld watch >not asking Mictecacihuatl the queen of the underworld aka la santa muerte for the death and destruction of your enemies >not eating candies in the shapes of the skulls of your fallen enemies Dia de los muertos > Cuckloween. If you are going to celebrate a pagan Holiday. Go all out
Logan Jenkins
Me too, I had those exact fucking buckets And I had that robot too
Alexander Green
Yeah that would be true if the guys actually fought back. But they are just standing there getting their asses beat. Not one of them fought back. They just got thrown around like rag dolls and some even had their clothes ripped off, bend over the table with their hand pushed down. Seemed like they were about to get raped kek. Did you see the guys on their knees with their head downs and shirts off? Looked cucked af.
Lincoln Evans
you can do both luis Im a chicano too halloween is the best holiday objectivley.
Carter Bell
silly pranks and begging for candy is not better than honoring your ancient ancestors and the gods ya cuck
Bentley Morales
I know i'm not going to answer the door when it rings on your gay ass Halloween. Fuck off, goddamn kids.
Parker Cooper
After watching the video it doesn’t look anywhere near as exciting and homoerotic as he described but idk maybe thats just how they fight in Europe.
Juan Butler
we have a day for the dead but it's for actually remembering the dead not for making fun of it and profiting off retards because we're not mongrels
also
James Ortiz
Why would you visit national parks for culture? Kek I get what you are saying though. My best time in the Army was when I was stationed out in the rural South
Brandon Kelly
>maybe thats just how they fight in Europe That is the whole point I was trying to make. Seems like they been training to submit to savages for years now
Jeremiah Brooks
You dress like a kitty and eat candy and give some to kids and have holiday sex (much better than normal sex) with your bf and then the next day you can go to peoples graves and shit they’re two completley different holidays.
Levi Rivera
halloween rules, you fucking fags.
Henry Carter
Nigga you gay. Thanks for further proving Halloween gay as fuck >dress up like a cat then get fucked
Jeremiah Russell
What I want to know is where my Irish ancestors found turnips big enough to make Jack-o-Lanterns out of them (which they were alleged to carry around).
Also alleged, the veil between this world and the next is alleged to be thinnest in the cusp between October 31 and November 1. If you believe in that sort of thing (I don't).
Isaiah Bell
Kek "christian" christmas and easter are both stolen pagan celebrations too.....Jebus wasn't born at midwinters solstice and easter is spring equinox. Next you'll be papping out that jebus was a blue eyed ayran rather than a jew because some painting from the 1400's has him with blue eyes. Then it will be the butthurt /pol is a christian board shite. sage and onion stuffing at saturnalia
Brandon Cox
In November 1st we celebrate our dead relatives but it's more about a memorial day where you go to the cemetery and all the shops are closed. No we haven't such a pagan tradition... You no history burgers
Nicholas Hughes
I’m not gonna imagine straight sex even for a second just to appeal to some (probably californian) brainlet if you don’t like haloween canadas up there.
Ian Brooks
Welsh people do it
Oliver Lopez
you could start wearing French maid outfits to at least represent how much of a cuck you are.
I'll be munching on free candies in my super scooter.
Jeremiah Martin
They weren’t big turnips just small lanters.
Jackson Williams
Every holiday seasons these niggas show up. Romans created pagan holidays on the same day Christians were celebrating Christmas to help combat it. Fucking retards need to read some history. Now what it is true is that the recent converts in Europe kept many of their pagan traditions and brought them over to Christmas. Mexicans did the exact same shit when we got converted. This coupled with Romans creating a pagan holiday on Christmas made retards think Christmas was pagan holiday and now sit there like the pseudo intellectuals that they are spewing bullshit tl;dr Christmas is not a pagan holiday but people brought over pagan traditions to it when they got converted
Liam Jenkins
That park in particular has a ton of preserved frontier/mountain/early American living. That's why I recommended it. The stuff there isn't props. It's the legit stuff that people who built this nation used, lived in, etc. A time capsule.
Also, the greatest mountains on earth.
Justin Carter
I am from Texas actually. Since you are the dude who dresses like a cat then gets fucked by Tyrone and get aids you are the one likely to be from California you faggot . Do you at least look like a trap when you dress like a kitty cat?
Aiden Rogers
But are there any people still living there?
Owen Collins
There are Dziady (Forefathers Eve) in Poland pagan festival when we could practice necromancy, summon lost souls and help them find peace
John Harris
I’m from Texas too you know what comes from here of course I’m feminine for my bf when he wants.
