Now that the dust has settled I think we can all agree that this manga turned into an utter pile of shite at some point. Just a waste of everyone's time quite frankly.
Has there ever been another series with such a disparity in quality from how it started to how it ended?
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Shit has setteld you faggot! I'm still fucking pissed! I wanna see some goddamn Bankais!
Is the last volume released? Did Kubo add something to it?
poems? drawings? anything?
I can't believe Ichigo and Orihime's 6-year-old son killed what was left of the last main villain by touching his Reiatsu.
Jokes aside, what actually happened to Yhwach?
I bet he absorbed Ywatch and now he will be his Zangetsu
Last volume won't come out until November.
He got canceled due to low sales.
This. Kubo should have just ended bleach when he ran out of pre-formed plot.
>500k per volume
>low
Wonder how many sword spirits are hiding out in Kazui's inner world.
Somewhere between 2 and 24.
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Some are good
WSJ poll maybe? I mean, that's how Nura got kicked, right? Nura's pacing is better than Kubo's time-wasting.
...
What if there's mirror universe of Bleach?
Honestly I expect it was Kubo arguing with his editors too much combined with the poll numbers. He has never had a good relation with jump, and they are better off without each other.
>Now that the dust has settled I think we can all agree that this manga turned into an utter pile of shite at some point. Just a waste of everyone's time quite frankly.
Quality dropped, yeah, but IMO no by so much.
Can't think of a wildest ride in a manga.
>I think we can all agree that this manga turned into an utter pile of shite at some point.
The cracks were showing up in HM arc but came to a head with all the Fake Karakura Town bullshit. That was when the manga went into freefall never to return
This entire chart is completely mitigated by how completely bullshit the series became by the end. See the thing about a wild ride is that it's only a wild ride if it actually stays wild until the end and not actually just be complete ass
For example, that "OH SHIT TWO ZANPAKUTO" thing seems hype until you look back and realize he only used the damn things like once in an entire 2 year period (not to mention they don't actually do anything different except let him shoot two sword beams)
Then there's that entire thing with Unohana which at the time looks awesome but then you look back and realize that Kenpachi didn't win a single fight legitimately on his own after that so she basically died for nothing
And let's not forget OH SHIT BYAKUYA GOES DOWN/TOSHIRO IS KILL but wait no they're not.
Ah I forgot to add one more point, I think this is best summed up by how that damn chart never even got finished. All those other gaijin reaction charts at least got to the end but nobody even wants to do that last one because the arc and story sucked so bad.
People kept asking "when's someone gonna finish the chart" but nobody even bothered
>He has never had a good relation with jump
I don't think he has a good relationship with his editor or assistants either. In his latest interview, he told inspiring mangakas not to listen to everything their editors tell them to do because they'll have regrets and admitted that he isn't that close to his assistants, they go home immediately after they're done.
>And so, the blade has...
>Death & Strawberry
>...The End
What did Kubo-sensei mean by this?
You got what you deserved.
You should've dropped the series after the Aizen arc like normal people instead of bothering to read it up to the ending. Kubo said that the fullbringer arc would be the last arc yet you thought they would still have a non-shit ending when it had arcs afterwards.
Are you not entertained?
Passed onto the next generation, their kids are the new "death and strawberry" and then they'll pass their kids the torch.
"Finally been sheathed", is my guess. The ending is about Ichigo finally sitting down and enjoying life with his friends and family without some kind of supernatural bullshit coming up and causing trouble for him.
Low sales, low popularity, no anime, and no merchandise.
Bleach was a sinking ship and JUMP cut him before he could become completely unprofitable. Also I don't think they like him either.
>Low sales, low popularity, no anime, and no merchandise.
Not low sales. Last volume almost sold 400k and it was the 22nd best selling manga of the first half of 2016. Still managed to stay on the top 30 list after all these years.
Story going to shit wasn't helping either
Why do you hate the final arc ?
>the haters are more butthurt about the ending the shippers
I'd be 100% ok with a mini-series focused on these three that would have the SOL feeling early bleach had.
Pretty much everything bad about Bleach compartmentalized into a 4 year runtime with a bunch of shitty villains
>And suddenly, Ukitake...!?
Good times
Can I join you guys?
Oh wait, I'm dead
Holy shit look at how far back the Fullbringers showed up compared to when they finally actually did show up jesus
>Kubo said that the fullbringer arc would be the last arc
No he didn't, he said there would be a small arc (Fullbring) followed by a larger arc (Quincy).
The last volume doesn't release for another three months...
so what is kubo gonna do now?
Become a fashion designer. Being a mangaka just isn't for him. Working on Zombie Powder led him to a mental breakdown and Bleach led to being canned before he was done. If they only gave him until March of next year things would have turned out better.
Link to interview. Kubo's insight must make for an interesting read.
NO CONFIRMATION
The last interview was from the 13 Blades fanbook and mentions nothing about his relationship with his editors or assistants.
I'm almost positive shitposters make half of this shit up because they have literally nothing better to do.
>Being a mangaka just isn't for him
74 printed volumes of Bleach say otherwise. You guys seriously judge Kubo way too hard based off your own expectations, by all means Kubo found major success in the manga industry despite a drop-off in popularity halfway through.
>74 volumes
>almost 100 million sales
>rich as fuck
>Being a mangaka just isn't for him :)
Kill yourself
Can't wait for the obligatory "hurr Bleachfags are fucking sheep why are you defending this shitty manga" post that always comes up when shitposter-kun has nothing left to say.
>The last volume
I meant the latest volume. The 73rd came out July.
>Become a fashion designer
I don't understand people who seriously think this. Most of the clothes in Bleach were probaaly just copied from what he saw in magazines, stores, etc. He even wrote that something he once drew Renji in was inspired by Dolce and Gabbana. A small clothing line inspired by some clothes in Bleach would sell just fine(I've seen them do it with other series), but Kubo wouldn't survive in the fashion world-especially since the fashion world has very few top Japanese designers.
>The last interview was from the 13 Blades fanbook and mentions nothing about his relationship with his editors or assistants.
His latest interview was from the JUMP ryu special where they interviewed one mangaka a month. He gave us a tour of his work space along with it.
>9 assistants
>bleach
Kubo has another series going on under a different name, who is he?
He's assisting the live action staff, making sure the characters look right.
Seems to me Kubo got axed because he was clearly dragging his feet. There's no way there wasn't some kind of agreed upon schedule, to bring the manga to an end. It was inane to drag out those elite sternritter as much as he did, especially Gerard. Maybe the editorial department was fed up with Kubo not switching gears and instead kept to the writing style of "I'll leave this plot hook for later" instead of doing something with the assload of hooks he already had.
only has one day of the week off and its friday.
Do you have any special heart for Shounen JUMP magazine ? Kubo: "To be honest ,not that much (laugh). But even so ,I never thought of reading a manga that is not Shounen JUMP manga ."
KUBO
>Not low sales
Good joke m8, Bleach's sales cratered fucking hard, and then sold hardly any merchandise on top of it because nobody gave 2 fucks about the series outside of buying a $5 volume every 3 months.
When a series is selling well then that translates into an anime, and merchandise, and then more magazine and volume sales, but Bleach already blew it's financial load and now only limped on because completionists were buying volumes and nothing else.
Why would anyone like it
I judge Kubo based on neutral expectations I apply to all works of fiction I read. After a certain point he failed as both an artist and an author and thus became shit.
If you think otherwise you have doorknobs for brains.
>Bleach's sales cratered fucking hard,
Not arguing with you. The sales declined a lot, but it still sold well enough. Let's be honest, the only reason why Bleach ran for as long as did was because of sales since it was ranked bottom on the JUMP chart for years/anime was canceled/no merch/no love from JUMP.
It probably ran as long as it did since it made a lot of money in the day and was on it's final arc, but Kubo dragged it out so much even JUMP lost patience.
Final version of this when?
PAGE 10
Coloring: Kubo plays with white and black to create contrast. He uses blank space deliberately. He uses it stir the reader’s imagination.
Kubo teased us with a lot of things and didn't reveal shit.
>my personal standards should be the baseline for everyone, anyone who disagrees with me is wrong
You're a literal child.
Kubo's advice to people who want to become a mangaka:
- Don’t listen to others too much. Don’t follow your editor’s advice blindly. Make it your own. In the end, you’re the one who should take responsibility.
- He thinks it’s important for a mangaka to look at/think about things from different angles.
That's four desks you complete retard.
He mentioned in the German interview he had four assistants. We see four desks in the JumpRyuu video.
Stop spreading bullshit moron
- He isn’t particularly close with his assistants. Because the time they work together isn’t very long. They all go home after work immediately.
No you stupid nigger do you even know how big bleach was? bleach was making a hundred million $ each year on merch but they suddenly ended the anime and cut off all advertising for bleach since then.
Something happened between Shueisha and Kubo.
Literal children are the only people left that like Bleach because they're dumb as fuck.
He mention in the jump ryu interview he had 9 assistants.
All the desks won't fit in a picture dumb ass.
>subjectivity means that nobody can criticize anything else
Ok buddy, we'll have a discourse once you come out of your little hug box.
Bleach's popularity sunk like a rock the moment Aizen ended. The anime kept going until the end of Fullbring, wherein the ratings and overall popularity dropped dead.
>IT'S EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT
>PEOPLE DIDN'T STOP LIKING BLEACH
Top laugh
>You should've dropped the series after the Aizen arc like normal people
excuse me but we normals dropped it after soul society arc when we saw they were rehashing the same rescue plot
Ok, what wold 4 assistants do?
Backgrounds?
because yoruichi became a retarded cat
>He mention in the jump ryu interview he had 9 assistants.
Yea, I'm pretty sure he does. You can find the video on youtube.
Show me the moment in the video where he says this. C'mon, user. I'm waiting.
Speed lines, screentones, typesetting, some inking, etc.
Criticism implies that you've brought up valid criticism, whereas all I see is obvious baiting, such as He even provided his own smug anime face, as if we needed any more evidence that half the shitposters in this thread are straight from Sup Forums.
>still of the best selling manga
>app game is a global hit
>NOBODY LIKES BLEACH
kek
That's actually WAY nicer of a setup than I would've imagined.
>series that used to bring in millions
Of course they invested in a decent office space at some point.
Not like Oda..
Oda probably actually likes his setup.
it looks like a Madmans Cave
it fits.
Naruto and Dragonball are pretty famous for their steep decline into something no one ever wanted.
Stopped reading after Aizen arc honestly. He killed a god, I was happy
I actually forgot bazz and her died.
I'm not sure what was the point of them surviving in the first place if all that was gonna happen to them was that they'd run off on their own and be killed by Nazi Jesus off panel.
>>Stopped reading after Aizen arc honestly.
That's the general consensus for a fair amount of folks
>wild ride
Such a lame excuse that people came up yo such a shitty series
It was fucking boring no matter how you look at it, and shit
Why are you mad?
Was the unbearably slow pacing the biggest flaw of Bleach?
Yes.
Lack of a strong protagonist who drowns in a sea of characters was the biggest flaw.
At the very least, that's what did it for me. I didn't even survive the Soul Society's second half way back when. I picked it up again only to end up underwhelmed by the conclusion.
And the next arc never ever tried to bother to do anything resembling the first few chapters.
Not continuing to be japanese ghostbusters was the biggest flaw, but the pacing was awful too. I can barely remember mexico before the grimjaw fight
I feel that's a valid point, but Bleach's early popularity in Japan thrived off of the secondary cast, which is why the Captains are prominent in every arc of Bleach after they're introduced.
No it was his insistence on showing characters I didn't care about doing things, while the characters I did care about got ignored. And by this I mean he had way too big of a cast, and he never really kept a focus on anything in particular. Which did screw the pacing, but I maintain it was the underlying format of having so many different characters and trying to explain what each of them were doing that was the issue.
Stop saying now that the dust has settled. There will always be shippers in this fandom, and people to disagree with the outcome of Bleach. It was a shitty rushed ending that was pure shit, and waste of what once was one off the greatest shounen mangas.
Can't we just say Kubo finale troll was an succes and move on?
Young folks just don't appreciate a mountain man's pacing.
>showing characters I didn't care about doing things, while the characters I did care about got ignored
How is this supposed to be a valid criticism?
>and move on?
Take your own advice, user.
It was a joke user, the criticism was after that. About the series lacking a focus on a cast that you are following.