How much value do you put into visual direction?

How much value do you put into visual direction?

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Enough to avoid SHAFT like the plague.

A lot.

Fucking Yuki Yase. I'll still watch, but Zaregoto deserves better than this.

Why do they feel the need to butcher all Nisio's books like that? Why only Katanagatari was spared from SHAFT?

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Is this the new season of Bakemonogatari?

I think that's exactly what Shaft/Aniplex are hoping people will think.

A lot. Most anime look like shit tough.

Anyone who cares about visual direction would stay away from Shaft.

Kill yourself.

Enough to drop shit like that pic

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I care more about character design, and those in your pic do not convince me at all.

Why dont they use movie Kizumongatari visuals?
This current one looks outdated to be honest

Zaregoto is going to look like shit without the original art style.

Why did they give it a bad director? So many questions.

>words and stills: the adaptation

Everyone else is busy

I still don't get the hate.

[incoherent rage about Aniplex]

Shaft has moved on from this style with the release of Kizumonogatari. This looks like a cheaper version of an older Monogatari series adaptation.

The original art style looks hundreds of times better but this doesn't resemble it in the slightest and makes the characters look generic.

>implying shaft will use Kizumonogatari style ever again

Too much work for tv series

Actual animation is too much work for Shaft.

Pretty much this.

Monogatari sameface and poor directing.

Shinbo and Oishi are going to set Shaft back on the right path again.

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SHAFT is dreadful.

Good visuals can't carry a shit show, but a shit show can carry good visuals. Following that logic, visuals are among the lowest in importance.

it's impossible to separate it from the rest of the package, so I rate it equally with everything else, I guess. you may as well ask
>how much value to you put into value?
gee I wonder, maybe a lot???

a lot.

if anime isn't harnessing the unique advantages of its medium, it should be done in a different format

They should leave Shaft.

>but a good show can carry shit visuals.
Fixed

That looks like shit though. Nothing but flapping mouths and mediocre animation and art.

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stills from the 80s look cool as fuck. I just wish the animation itself was better

You must have ridiculously high standards for TV anime if this looks like shit to you, more importantly though it's a step in the right direction for Shaft.

Are you blind?

Good visuals can't carry a shit show, but good visuals can turn a mediocre show into a good show.

Similarly, shit visuals can drag down a good show into shit territory.

You must have ridiculously low standards for TV anime if that looks good to you. Although I suppose it is a a step in the right direction.

Seriously though, the majority of seasonal anime nowadays looks better than that, animation-wise.

Zaregoto is going to look like shit with SHAFT in charge.

it adds to the sum total of how good something is
but I wouldn't watch a shit anime with 10/10 visual direction
what I despise the most is shit writing

That is literally gimmicky direction. Giving one show another show's exact same direction style is fucking sin in my books. It's lazy, it's disrespectful, it's desperate, it's untalented, and not to mention that the style they are copying was already cheap to begin with.

We cyberpunk now

A lot which is why Naruto is my favorite anime

>just got into monogatari series
>people here hating on Shaft

Shit son, didn't know there were plebs here who can't appreciate art.

If you think anything other than bake is well directed you're the pleb.

I thought I was looking at some random Monogatari show

Just because a show has the same author doesnt mean you can copy and paste everything.

Nisemonogatari is great, S2 is looking good as well. Only one that seems week to me so far is Nekomonogatari.

Probably turned out that way because it frequently refers to stuff that happens in Kizu

So does anyone know how the OVA's will be released?

Monthly on BD and DVD, starting next month

Everything after Bake has poor storytelling

How does it look like shit? The animation may not be anything special, but I don't think that's too important for an adaptation like this and the manga's designs and tone have been captured very well based on the PV. It looks fine and it should hopefully be well directed.

I hope Shinbo will direct more and this won't be a one thing

This shit looks like Mekakucity Actors.

At the very least it seems like he might storyboard stuff for once

Nisemonogatari is the worst.

It depends on what a show is like. If it wasn't for the visuals, Monogatari would be shit. But Shinbo and SHAFT saved it and turned it into the beauty that it is today.

Shinbo had nothing to do with it and most of the series is shit.

That's funny because the visuals are literally what is stopping me from watching it. Way to turn something into trash.

Good.

man, Kaguya was such a shit-tier "final" boss, though that's obviously been discussed enough

So much this.

Holy shit SHAFT is pure garbage. 0% innovation, 0% animation.

I guess you differentiate art quality and direction? Art quality in episodes lately is godawful. It almost makes me think why they even bother animating the show, if they are going to do such a quarter-assed job of it.

Too bad Naruto can't always look like this

They are hacks who manage to sell a lot by pandering to the most idiotic fringe of the Japanese society, while presenting it as higher artistic work at the same time. People hate that, seeing a successful conman.

If their success was legitimate, or their incompetence was unsuccessful, no one would have hated them.

How can this look like trash while 3gatsu looks so good?

>If their success was legitimate
how was it not

Would you prefer if it had looked the way most LN adaptations do?

Does it have to be? Is there no middle ground between gimmicky bullshit and completely generic shit?

because they had no success
>cue financial reports

Don't know about financial success, but they certainly are popular and don't have to worry about getting shows

Reminder: Visual direction isn't about pretty pictures or abstract framing, it is entirely about cinematography that informs the narrative. For the best examples see the work of Ryuutarou Nakamura, Hideaki Anno and Naoko Yamada.

>don't have to worry about getting shows
this is like saying "slaves don't have to worry about getting a job"

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What's with all the center framing? Haven't they heard about the rule of thirds?

it was designed to fulfill the most self-destructive needs of a dis-functioning part of their country's youth. That success is based on the appeal to their lowest fetishes, not on the artistic value of its script or its animation.

What's even worse is that the bottom left one is off-center.

To answer your question, no. Look at any Shaft show. They only know close-up, necktilt, UNCANNY angles and long shots. Always centered.

Ew
Someone needs get them to watch Barry Lyndon

omg it's like he thought she loves him xD

It's not that they don't know about it, they are just contrarian and gimmicky like that.

Wow that scene looks so shit. Likely cherry-picked though, I've seen some good clips from Hyouka and I know Yasuhiro Takemoto has produced better work than this. This would ruin the entire episode though, imagine waiting for this big build up and it's fucking comical.

>visual direction

>imagine waiting for this big build up and it's fucking comical.
It's literally the first scene of the episode, and it's hardly comical. In fact, the abrupt change of color palettes and reaction is just another piece of storytelling, and not for comedy.

Also please stop samefagging.

so if the majority of cinematic heritage is based off of principles that allow for good photography, they're being contrarian by being bad?

>That success is based on the appeal to their lowest fetishes, not on the artistic value of its script or its animation.
Since when have successful anime ever been successful due to those things though?

Yes, pretty much.

I posted and one as my immediate comment and the other illustrating the visuals I didn't like, that is hardly samefagging.

Literally look at the second image in and tell me that isn't comical.

I'm a KyoAni fag as much as the next guy, I named Yamada among to industry legends as a pinnacle of visual direction, but that scene is poorly handed and very heavy-handedly dealing with simple themes.

Good thing I posted it in reply to a post that said that visual direction is about narrative and storytelling, right? I could write you a long paragraph about the visual storytelling in that short clip.

And I still don't get what you dislike about those frames.

She shrinks exponentially in the second frame, within a single shot she goes from normally sitting in a chair to the chair being massive behind her, with her body remaining normally proportioned and consistent. It might make sense within the medium of anime if she had deformed or went chibi or something along those lines, but from the way it is edited and the character's disconnect from the background it just appears as though someone fucked up. If you want to explain that the dramatic shift in her size is supposed to represent her vulnerability when asking for a favour or something along those lines, go ahead, but having watched the scene without context and that shot only lasting 2 seconds I can tell you I was disorientated in such a way that was comical.

The shift in colour scheme could definitely work, especially considering the postures in the brief final frame of the clip would indicate some kind of subsiding tension, but the fact that it occurs during the fucked up shot previous, again, all I could assume was that someone fucked up.

I am 100% willing to read your long paragraph and do want to get convinced, I've been looking forward to watching that show and don't want this example to set the bar low, but as it stands I maintain it looks fucking dumb as heck.

>She shrinks exponentially in the second frame, within a single shot she goes from normally sitting in a chair to the chair being massive behind her, with her body remaining normally proportioned and consistent.
If I understand correctly what you're trying to say here, you're wrong. First of all, that's a bench, you can see it from other angles. Second of all, she's standing. Else, if you're talking about those couple frames where the background shrinks faster than her, that's because it's replicating a sort of dolly zoom effect (youtube.com/watch?v=iv41W6iyyGs).

>I can tell you I was disorientated in such a way that was comical.
It's not supposed to be comical, it's more supposed to be underwhelming, which is helped by the center framing. Almost comically underwhelming, but if you watch it with sound you can see that it wasn't a gag.

>but the fact that it occurs during the fucked up shot previous, again, all I could assume was that someone fucked up.
This is because you watched it out of context. A "rose-colored life" is mentioned in the intro of the show, and it's a recurring theme of the overarching development of the show. The pink in this scene means that Oreki feels like he's gaining (to put it simply) a rose-colored life, but when Chitanda said what she said, he realized he was not, so the pink suddenly vanished. Showing a sort of realization and again, being underwhelmed.

Also, this isn't even the paragraph that I said I could write.

If you really are interested in the show, and want to see with your own eyes how the direction in that shot fares in context, I say you should see for yourself. That scene is the very first scene of episode 3, so it won't take you long to get there.

I hate hate hate this film.

More isn't always better.

>dolly zoom example
>not Vertigo

And I forgot to mention: what you really should be complaining about is the inconsistency of the bench's design from cut to cut.

I wasn't familiar with the terminology, so I looked it up and that was the closest term I could find.

>gimmicky

It's art, not a gadget, it doesn't have gimmicks.

no I was just chastising you for not using an example from the film Vertigo, which is the most famous (and best) use of it

Sorry, user. I disappointed you.

A good deal.