There are a couple of ethnostates, namely, Japan and Korea.
Social dysfunction and collapse of the family/demographic crisis there is much more severe than in the west - all of that despite them being ethnostates with entrenched traditional values. Any rational person can see clearly that the true root of these problems is capitalism. Humans are reduced to the drones of purely for profit industry, which strives to cut all possible expenses - including family. When it faces workforce shortage, it strives to replenish it by migration.
Your thread is great, but you should have tagged "on its own" at the end of your subject.
Jack Rodriguez
fuck off nigger
Brayden Thomas
Japan will solve it with robots and AI.
Jayden Phillips
An ethnic Tate is a start
Julian Parker
Ethnostate not ethnic tate
Ayden Bailey
Traditional values include having lots of children. Sure capitalism is flawed, but with a virtuous population the country would not collapse. Idk how we create this idealistic country but I hope we will soon. Also this
Joshua Cox
What is it, in this case, good for? What purpoce exactly should Americans undertake a colossally difficult and extremely risky program of displacing nearly half of its population?
Cooper Thomas
no, it's not. workforce shortage is caused by women having less children. feminism is the root cause.
Evan Anderson
An ethnostate wont solve everything, but not having an ethnostate will ruin everything. When Japan sorts out it's problems it will still be one people, and one culture. Unlike most of the white nations which have basically been ruined for all time.
Grayson Gomez
There is no feminism in Japan or Iran. They are still hit by child reduction.
Kayden Edwards
The preservation of European values is worth the effort of removing whoever opposes them. It is a necessary evil. When we look at the people who pay taxes for example. Whites are a overall a net positive while latinos, and blacks are a net negative. Meaning Whites pay taxes, while the other races receive money from the state. Imagine a White society that can pool all of that positive money. They could put that into programs that benefit Whites. We could be on the moon or something.
Adam Baker
>literal weeb cuckold communist
what makes you think anyone here will take your opinion seriously and not fantasize about murdering faggots like you on the day of the rope?
fuck right off retard, asians arent white, they are not analogous to whites
Brandon Phillips
Why have leftists spent the last 5-7 years trying to subvery Sup Forums to their cause?
It takes a single video of South Africa in 2015 to recognize that capitalism or socialism or whatever doesn't matter - any society will be dysfunctional when its genetic raw material is dysfunctional. And so far, communists and leftists have fought by far the strongest to spread Africans in Europe.
Ah yes, so they should abandon capitalism, and open their borders so the envious and greedy can pillage them?
No. Japan will stabilize no matter what eventually, and it will still be Japanese at its core.That is what enrages you.
Lincoln Howard
>Meaning Whites pay taxes, while the other races receive money from the state
The same is true for men and women. Men pay taxes, women use more than they ever pay into on average
Eli Cruz
Who is this semen demon?
Austin Kelly
If the pension system can't be funded in Japan they will probably just cut it and tell families to look after their elderly. Watch some youtube of an average Japanese being interviewed on immigration, they will never tolerate their country being flooded with shitskins, ever.
Charles Cruz
Ethnostates?
You mean actual nations?
Ryan Turner
>but not having an ethnostate will ruin everything There were no ethnostates/nations before 17th-18th century. What worth is there in an ethnicity for an individual in 21st century? One thing ethnostate does is it creates internal conflicts and limits expansion, as if you cling to an existing ethnicity, you will not incorporate other peoples.
Dominic Cooper
Can we stop lying to the whites and just admit that there's nothing better than an ethno state?
For fucks sake we are valuable just because of our integral genetics.
Juan Hill
>the true root of these problems is capitalism
Why aren't you at work today, Gomrade?
>What purpoce exactly should Americans undertake a colossally difficult and extremely risky program of displacing nearly half of its population?
The purpose is creating world government/gommunism.
This fits into Cultural Marxism to destabilize and subvert the target. Also see Cloward Pliven plan.
Angel Cooper
i don't know about Iran, but as far as i know in traditional Japan women were not supposed to build careers. this whole "women have to work, being only a mother is not ok" is also a feminist thing.
Cameron Clark
>What worth is there in an ethnicity for an individual in 21st century?
You tell me, Schlomo.
Eli Nelson
I did not know that. Women are obviously necessary for life. I think we are given bad behavior an incentive. Single mothers are crime factory. When you look at the statistics single parent households are worse in every category. But you have to realize that both of the sexes have been perverted. Masculinity and femininity are no longer what they ought to be. It is just as hard for the average woman to find a good candidate for a husband as it is for a the average man to find a good candidate for a wife. How can we fix this?
Dylan Ramirez
>There were no ethnostates/nations before 17th-18th century Prove it. >What worth is there in an ethnicity for an individual in 21st century? The same there always has been. Chronological snobbery isnt an argument, it's a logical fallacy. >One thing ethnostate does is it creates internal conflicts There is no way in hell it creates more internal conflict that diversity. This has been studied thoroughly and homogeneity is always more stable.
>limits expansion Expansion for the sake of expansion? If you main priority isnt taking in the unwashed masses of other races, you dont need to expand much.
Adam Myers
>Social dysfunction and collapse of the family/demographic crisis there is much more severe than in the west Lmao nice unbacked assertion retard. Japan but particularly Korea are horrifically socially conservative compared to pretty much any Western country, in SK gays are a taboo thing and the illegitimacy rates in both countries are literally in the low single digits. Families aren't collapsing at all or anything. > inb4 low birth rates Not at all the same thing as the collapse of families
Caleb Wright
This obsession with ethnostates is a bit silly. In 20-30 years it won't matter since we will get genetic engineering.
Nicholas Parker
>capitalism
No, the issue is technology and how it shapes modern society. The kikes and subhumans are also a very real problem, but solving one will not solve the other. Though, solving the former would probably have an impact on our toleration of these parasites.
Blake Diaz
Is the mass importation of inbred, low-IQ 3rd worlders your nations idea of genetic engineering?
Because trust me, that's all you're getting. You will never be able to gene tailor your children any other way.
Brandon Carter
I would not call Israel an ethnostate, at the very least, not in Sup Forums sense. It is pretty open to migration, and offers benefits to those who are culturally integrated with it. But, like, half of migrants had no Jewish ancestry whatsoever, and no morphological norms are applied.
Carson Collins
>Japan and Korea. are doing better than the US
Isaac Taylor
>It is pretty open to migration Except for the ethnicities it's attempting to proscribe outright.
Brody Morgan
> there is no feminism in Japan Fucking stop with your idiocy, you're revealing just how little you know about these countries.
Genetic engineering to the point of literal designer babies with all entirely selected traits is likely a pipe dream. Look into measure theory and genes.
Leo Robinson
>There were no ethnostates/nations before 17th-18th century. Really? I'd love for you to back that up with something because it seems like the opposite of reality to me. >What worth is there in an ethnicity for an individual in 21st century? You get more social cohesion, more trust and less internal conflict with an ethnostate. >One thing ethnostate does is it creates internal conflicts and limits expansion I disagree. It creates less internal conflict. As for expansion who needs it. Maybe that is something the powerful care about, but I just want to live peacefully among my own kind. > as if you cling to an existing ethnicity, you will not incorporate other peoples. I don't want to incorporate other peoples. I just want to live peacefully among my own kind.
Carson Butler
Ok, so premise #1: the Jews have an ethnostate. Premise #2: the Jews are everything that's bad and wrong with this world. So tell me again why should the other races try to copy them? Are we trying to improve the world, or just beat the Jews for the crown of worst people in the world?
Andrew Brooks
Let the ghosties dream.
Japan is dying in a spiral of panty vending machines and teen hostess clubs.
Nicholas Hall
That's a lot different than families falling apart, huge numbers of bastard children, etc.
Adam Taylor
Those countries are way better than what ours are turning into with all the 3rd world garbage pouring in.
Jaxson Williams
The shills are trying really hard to push their anti-japan shit the last couple of day. Fuck off those nips are doing fine you fucking jew.
Luke Baker
Fertility rate Japan 1960 2.0, 2016, 1.50
US 1960 3.7 2016, 1.80
Japan is doing just find you dumbass, it's the US who is fucked.
Jonathan Ramirez
Except for Israel, right Chaim? It is the banking system that exploits everyone, businesses provide opportunities for work to those who aren't lazy shits. Making everyone subsist on equal wages just ensures that.everyone has to work longer for the same things they have now.
>Yes goy, join my nation as a worker bee, give up your right to religion, property, and individual values, ya don't need dose.
Oliver Bennett
Just because you dislike someone doesn't mean that they didn't get anything right.
Chase Gutierrez
>Social dysfunction and collapse of the family/demographic crisis there is much more severe than in the west well this is just wrong
Parker Hughes
>I just want to live peacefully among my own kind. But what is your own kind with whom you can leave peacefully? Is it not his state of mind and reputation that matters, his conformity to the same game rules as you, rather than him being your twin?
Camden Myers
If someone does something before you, they inmediatly realize what can go wrong and have an advantage over you.
Jonathan Long
The point is that those societies can RECOVER when they inevitably collapse. Civilizations are cyclical. It's a neverending story of rising and falling. But if you maintain genetic heritage, you materially continue as a people, and the group evolves, and maintains a continuum of experience and ancestral memory to better manage future iterations of the cycle.
When populations are demographically transformed, their cycles, their story as a people ends, and some other people play out their own story in the geographic space they're conquered. The original group goes extinct. Their story is over forever.
Jayden Hughes
I agree, japan is doing just fine birth wise. If you have an ethno state you don't need to try and out breed people. That is only something people in the multicultural paces need to do.
Asher Bailey
I never said I agreed with that.
It's very possible.
Christopher Barnes
But in that case, why do you dislike them? You should be praising their efficiency instead.
Owen Thompson
Arent most eastern european shit holes effectively "ethnostates"? If people are corrupt and stupid it matters not what their racial heritage is. Christianity is possibly the only real test of a man's value and even then Christianity is flawed. The truth is that human beings are essentially fucked and no matter what management strategy is undertaken we are ungovernable. Life is still short and brutish. If you think 70 years of consumerism fueled mental illness and an eventually bankrupting "battle" with cancer is progress then you have no grounds for calling my hope for life everlasting "utopian".
Hudson Richardson
> But if you maintain genetic heritage, you materially continue as a people, and the group evolves, and maintains a continuum of experience and ancestral memory to better manage future iterations of the cycle. Civilizations are a strange thing. The Roman ethnicity is dissolved, and Greeks have no continuity with it likewise, but the whole world is continuum of Roman civilization. The Frankish Empire, that has founded post-collapse European civilization, is dissolved. Overall it is all about culture and ideas.
Michael Rodriguez
Odd that you gommunists always dodge the question of what you do for work.
Oh well, have fun. Just so you know if I see you on the battlefield you'll get a bullet from me and if you get your gommunist "New Order" useful idiots like you will be lined up against the wall and shot by your own gomrades.
You've earned the bullet either way.
Gavin Thompson
The country where men pay to have sex with dolls that look like children and people live in internet cafes and suicides are rampant is "fine"
Luis Perry
Without Family Law reform, the demographic decline cannot be reversed.
John Gray
Christian socialist here, I am an industrial mechanic/surveyor. The only person you could kill to solve all your problems would be yourself. And even that would fail.
Carson Torres
>The truth is that human beings are essentially fucked and no matter what management strategy is undertaken we are ungovernable. In a grand scale of things, the only criteria we are competing against is each others, as societies. Some will collapse and be merged, the others will remain and expand. Our concept is what we project on humanity, and it will remain as long as humanity remains.
Kevin Parker
I dont see how anyone can get so low as to think of themselves as a reflection of society. We are children of God each one of us. We are essentially God's flesh. You can choose to live your life according to this truth or you can chase illusions which are filled with misery and emnity.
Henry Ward
>collapse of the family/demographic crisis there is much more severe than in the west
No, it's exactly the same. In Germany it's worse and it's probably worse in Sweden too.
Jason Gutierrez
1. Father Custody as default 2. Full abolishment of Alimony 3. No child support for out of wedlock births
There I just saved the West.
Matthew Barnes
Hate to agree with the hippie, but he's right and digits are justice. Genes mutate and get intermixed even within a so-called homogenous society. And most of the genes the Japanese have in common with one another they also have in common with everyone else in the planet. The idea of gene-based continuity is for 15-year-old males with too much testosterone and a delusion of being able to conquer the world by destroying everyone else's genes and substituting his own.
Meanwhile, the Jews have understood that it's the memetic war that counts, not the genetic one, and rule the world essentially because of that understanding.
Or you could just make divorce illegal and invest in marriage counseling as a social service for all.
Noah Murphy
But I guess it’s just easier to do funny salutes and invade Poland again. Morons.
Kayden Gonzalez
Uh guys my arguments feel hollow in light of these opinions time to spam links to one of my corporate gods and hope noone notices the adamant insecurity such an action illustrates.
Jose Wood
I think Japan is collapsing for 2 main reasons. The population vs space, the mouse utopia experiments demonstrated that when space runs out the behaviour changes to make the general population uninterested in sex.
The other part is the grasseater/herbivore men. Many of those men have a more modern secular take on society, they're educated well and can take a step back and judge the social norms rationally and it's quite often the case that they're expected to be a slave to a corporation at work, aggressively climb that ladder, while at the same time be a slave at home to wives who take their monthly earnings and run the house only to give them back an allowance.
It's just a bad deal the same way that modern western marriages are bad deals for men. We're breaking the social programming now and rejecting it. The Japanese are a perfect predictor for what is going to happen with MGTOW in the west, it'll grow and deny women babies and the population and hence the economy is going to crash.
A huge amount of Europe is now below replacement rate so even small social changes like the growing number of MGTOW can make drastic changes to things like population size.
Migration isn't the answer, the answer is to embrace social change to keep people incentivized. Mostly right now that means making it a good deal for men again - like, ASAP.
Ayden Sullivan
Why do you want to know, and what's the point asking that particular question on an anonymous imageboard? But, I lose nothing indulging your idle curiosity. I changed several fields, and I run a tourist business for a living at the moment.
Blake Fisher
Just because genetic propagation in humans work by a mixing, doesn't mean we should mix with anything on the planet that popular culture so desires us to mix with. This entire shit is a shill thread. I will never throw away my genes on a failed drone-like experiment by nature that is the African genome. SOROS HAS DUMPED MASSIVE FUNDS INTO HIS OSF SHIT, BE WARY OF SHILL AND SLIDE THREADS.
Henry Garcia
We ape a facsimile of what we IMAGINE Rome to have been. We have no idea what the Roman or Greek soul really was. To assume we do is no different than the weeb who thinks he understands what it means to be Japanese because he reads a lot of manga.
You're right, many of the ideas of those cultures have lived on to be interpreted, and assimilated by other cultures. However, those cultures were not as genetically decimated as certain contemporary ones look destined to be. To the extent that they were replaced, the ancestral memory of those people is lost forever.
I think you have to have a hollow shell of a heart to be callous and pollyannish about population replacement. You faggot-meme flag would suggest at least a basic appreciation for natural conservation, yet you don't seem to care about the beauty of human biodiversity for its own sake. I bet you care about some rare fish species going extinct though. There's no use trying to convince you though. It's like trying to convince a psychopath to feel empathy. You lack the wiring.
Leo Martin
MGTOW is a temporary state. The goal is to crash the gynocentric system and bring the politicians to the bargaining table for a New Deal that is fair to men.
Brody Morales
As for who is our kind, of course ancestry, and genes, matters a great deal. In these modern time culture mutates fairly quickly, but our shared ancestry is like a heavy rock binding us together in the shifting tides of change.
Also, if we all look similar then the difference we have duo to genes wont be blamed on discrimination thus creating social unrest, and also if we are more genetically similar then less of the difference will be genetic, and more will be about personal choice. This makes for a much more cohesive society.
Liam Johnson
>There were no ethnostates/nations before 17th-18th century.
Kike rhetoric based on very particular, tailored and rigid definitions of "nation". There were groups that held territory and functioned similar to nations with a shared culture and genetic ancestry.
Adam Reyes
i've never disregarded an op quite as fast. solve nothing BAH
Jose Cooper
We're material beings. Material circumstances dictate our existence. Geography, genetics, society, are all material causes that shape our being. All other aspects of being are speculation and abstraction.
Ethan Williams
I use hippie flag as noflag.
Jews ruling the world is also pretty autistic. It would imply that Jews are at the same time highly centralised and extremely discreet, like a telepathic collective consciousness.
Robert Hall
It isnt MGTOW and it isnt lack of space. The enormous growth of income inequality is making many people feel that they are incapable of providing a family with an acceptable quality of life. Middle class wages (this includes earners into the six figures) have stagnated for nearly 30 years. Working/lower class wages have decreased either by inflation or by deregulation. The most wealthy have tripled their share of total wealth in the same time. Society is reorganizing into a global oligarchy. If i did not have faith in Christ i would have never had the courage to have kids.
Angel Collins
They're both below replacement rate which is about 2.1. it means the population will trend towards zero until it vanishes, unless it increases back to 2.1 again
The actual fertility rate of Japan has stabilized for the last few decades so the decline isn't accelerating anymore, but it's still a decline, it's just more of a linear one.
Lincoln Bailey
>run a tourist business Are you sure youre just not ashamed of being yet another bourgeois Marxist?
Connor Ramirez
For a medieval-era sovereign and the state, ethnicity didn't matter if the populace was loyal and provided its tribute. None of the ethnicities that exist today have existed before that time: each state that formed ethnos consisted of various diverse tribes and peoples.
Elijah Clark
We "shouldn't" do or avoid doing anything. Do whatever the hell you want. I was just pointing out that your reasons for doing or not doing may be unreasonable. You, for example, seem to think that your genes are something precious and to be treasured. Yet, those same genes gave rise to a being that shitposts on Sup Forums instead of doing something slightly productive. So how precious can they really be?
>It would imply that Jews are at the same time highly centralised and extremely discreet Why do you treat that as a priori impossibility? Just because you don't have the intelligence and discipline to pull it off, doesn't mean that other people don't have them.
Jeremiah Kelly
It's only logical. If you understand that the real power in society is capital, and otherwise you are at a loss, you should strive to advance you interests in an obvious way.
David Williams
Not necessarily. If someone is screwing you, and doing at good job at it, then you will naturally dislike them. Even if you admire their strength, and some of there methods. Personalty I'm not a big hater of Israel, but your logic is flawed.
Nicholas Brooks
It is MGTOW. It’s not your grandfather’s post-war Japan anymore. See:
>we are material beings This is just a half truth. The values you subscribe to do not follow from your hard materialist statements. In fact, your participation in society at all indicates that your materialism is in bad faith. At what point do you consider consciousness material?
Christopher Harris
Insecurity about what, the Japanese sure have a demographic problem, but it isn't one that can't be solved by making a few social policy changes (which the Japanese government has far from depleted) and of course, automation will play a big role. Also, there is massive lobbying from firms that want more "workers" in the respective nations, so that labor becomes cheaper and they have more to pick from. They are shilling the idea of a lack of qualified personnel. For example, the Statistic Bureau in Germany says, that there is a lack of employables once there are "only" 3 contestants for one job; fucking bollocks, they are just afraid of having to pay more, you are bowing to corporate lies. All in all Japan is facing problems much less severe than France or Spain or Italy. They are unbelievably fucked, and for the moment, there are ABSOLUTELY no signs of imminent destruction and collapse for Japan. In fact, I think I might even move to Japan once I have qualifications (or Hungary, depends on future developments). There is also no problem in simply applying the "method" of uncontrolled mass immigration at a later stage. When the time comes, Japan will implement sensible social policies, which should have been the first step to the fucking Merkellian bullshit going on in Germany initially.
Easton Roberts
Captailism is a system that works (and the only one thats show to as well) when you move past bumfuck villages civilization level. The problem is growth demanded greed. "i made x this year in profit and next year i want to make twice as much!" Well, thats a good goal, but how will you do it? If you make twice as much product then you need twice as many buyers and that means either finding new markets or more buyers need to be born. Theres other factors, but current captalism models require an ever growing customer base for increased profits. There is only so much room before we turn into World Wide India
>Social dysfunction and collapse of the family/demographic crisis there is much more severe than in the wes Wheres the proof?
Jackson Kelly
So you are a pragmatist. That isn't Marxism. Nor is it communism. I dont even know if you claimed those things.
Noah Perez
What happens if I just ignore your shilling go onto get an Ethnostate and actually live on to be happy while you get killed by some random nigger?
Lucas Cook
I do more than shitpost, right now is my shitpost.hour, which I dedicate to a concerted effort in shifting opinions online, it has its effects, today we fight war of information. Also, please link me to a "shitpost" I made, as shitpost generally have no quality or substance, please do. Also, moving away from superiority or inferiority in certain aspects, shouldn't the preservation of natural and human diversity be a non-political issue, a given?
Dylan Reed
it's not about surviving.
It's about dying with pride.
only rats adapt to survive.
Noah Howard
Sounds like a bad case of Stockholm Syndrome to me. If someone is good at fucking me, I want the fucking to stop, not to learn from them how to fuck others so well.
That's what I was trying to get at with the user I was replying to. We should counter the Jews' insistance that every other country open their borders by insisting that Israel does the same, not by trying to copy their ethnostate.
Christopher Gutierrez
Did you read my post? I said that they are fine birth wise. I wasn't talking about other parts of their society, but speaking of it now I'd say they are doing better then we are at least.
Dylan Green
And then it should start to increase again as you won't need everyone living in closet sized houses.
Jayden Harris
The social dysfunction is due to overpopulation. If ou have too many people cramped in a small area then the chads and stacies will gravitate toward the same cliques. Everyone else becomes a utility and overtime they don't see the point in contibuting to a social system that benefits them the least. Large populations make are a living hell in any state. In the past people would put their needs and future before self interests and that isn't the case anymore. There are already enough people doing unfulfilling work and living mundane lives. At the very least stable orders are maintained and reinforced for those lucky enough to live post collapse. A society only needs to grow as long as the people living in it don't see the it's flaws. If you have an excess population discontent with the deal it got then it is only a matter of time before it splinters and things reset. Kikes want unlimited growth because they know it's unsustainable and it serves as a great symptom to deflect attention from their nation eroding practices, futher multiplied by multiculturalism.
Nathan Ramirez
Consciousness is natural phenomenon, intrinsic to the universe. It manifests due to specific material circumstances. Perhaps it's intrinsic to all matter, in any configuration, to some degree, but that's speculation. The reason consciousness manifests from material circumstances is the mystery, but that it does so is self-evident.
Asher Smith
>replacement meme
Replacing who exactly? That shit is a labor construction to have kids supplant their parents.
Levi Perry
I'd agree that MGTOW is reactionary, but I don't know that it will necessarily usher in a new era of bargaining. Look at Japan, the government is bricking in its proverbial pants, but the deal there for men is not better. Government as always, try and solve social problems with more government, more rules and more social programs which makes the problem worse. What we really need is less government and less interference, because that is what cased the problem in the first place.
But government has no mechanism for shrinking itself, it only ever grows until it collapses or disappears in civil war.
It's not though, look at what MGTOW and grasseater/herbivore men are actually complaining about. It has nothing to do with how expensive having a child is. it's that men aren't even seen as human beings anymore, they're seen as ways of provisioning resources (money).
Although the problem causing this is generally the same one that is also causing wealth inequality and shitty economics, which is government running amock, rife with socialism, growing far too large and interfering with the family unit and business.
Ryan Brooks
>only rats adapt to survive. Thanks for the kek, user. You probably don't even realise the irony of your post.
