Why the hate for civic nationalism?

Civic nationalism is the idea that Donald Trump is more likely to befriend Ben Carson than smugglypuff. Ethnic nationalism is the idea of vice versa. There is literally no way to defend that. You are advocating for an ethnostate of 100% whites. Only 60% of whites are conservative. On the other hand, civic nationalism would have a 100% conservative and 80-90% white state as almost all conservatives are white. Would you really rather live next to smuglypuff or even Chelsea Clinton for that matter? I would imagine not. Friendly reminder that almost all of Antifa and BAMN are white and the same goes with practically every other Marxist, Socialist, etc organization.

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You're not going to reason with them. People here are either committed to purity of ideology over practicality and reasonableness or are paid shills here specifically to spread racism to make this place worse.

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I don't pretend to know what it's like in Europe or degenerate shitholes like Ireland, but in America civic nationalism is absolutely necessary.

We need to red pill African Americans, Latinos, and White Liberals to the reality that the Left/Dems isn't the answer. (Neither is cuckservatism, the GoP has its own cancers rotting the base from within)

Ok, ridicule me this user:
If Bulgarians would suddenly implement the exact copy of French constitution, but not adopt language itself and the country wod retain the already experienced Bulgarian history, are they French or not?

The country would retain*

Because Sup Forums would rather inbreed instead of probably getting genes from someone who may not be completely 1488% white. Their brainlets shrivel by the minute.

>almost all of Antifa and BAMN are white and the same goes with practically every other Marxist, Socialist, etc organization.
Oh look, it's another episode of the kike pretends to be "white" when it suits the agenda they're trying to push. Fucking pathetic.

No. They would be Bulgarians with a political culture inspired by France, just as the US was inspired by Rome and Athens.

>"white"
kek

Great argument. Really shows the caliber of intellect of the opponents of civic nationalism.

So why would civic nationalism meme work then, if one country's population cannot incorporate itself into another's culture with foreign language and different history?

You're basically commies who are too retarded to understand that you're commies.

Why would I waste time with a logical rebuttal, we both know your entire post was nothing but bullshit particularly the part about socialism and marxism being a "white" movement. Fuck outta here with your weak ass propoganda, you mental midget.
>more "white" revolutionaries

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Tell that to the Irish, Italian, Polish, German, Russian, Lithuanian, and many other immigrants who came to the US and have fully assimilated. Even non whites can assimilate perfectly after a few generations, especially non Muslim Iranians who I've found to be the perfect immigrant to the US. I'm not saying that we should open the floodgates. I'm saying that we should have a similar system to pre 1965 while also allowing the 90% of minorities who won't assimilate and the white liberals to move to a different geographic location in the US, perhaps the west coast area.

>Captain Commie legit thinks he can kill someone from 500 yards with an airlift pistol.
>That retarded squat
This idiot is no threat whatsoever

I'm well aware that these movements are inherently Jewish led. That being said, most of their foot soldiers are white. I saw them up close at the Laguna Beach rally. There were only a few nonwhites. From what I've seen, it's the same way at Berkeley and other sites.

You mean the model where populouses habitants cling on their ancestors' background, everybody is bitching about ethnicities constantly and still retain cultural traditions of their ancestors homelands?
Sure thing nignog

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>Fuck outta here with your weak ass propoganda, you mental midget.
You talk like a fucking nigger and you made no argument yet you call me a "mental midget". Fucking lol

>Laguna Beach
>99.999% white population
>expecting anyone other than whites
Nigger you are an idiot. Look at literally any rally that isn't in an uber-white city, it's all DACA kids and blacks. Again just stop, you look like an idiot. Look at literally any antifa lineup of arrests. Unmasked minorities. You're full of shit, you even pulled the whole "hurr only 60% of whites are conservative" right out of your ass with no source. Thought that'd just pass with no one pulling your card and telling you how fucking stupid you are?

>t. Never been to America.
The only way people cling on to their old homelands here are through food. Almost always their language is lost after the third generation if not second. Even Boston's Irish community is basically only "Irish" in their food.

Every migrant group took their own culture with them, the midwest is more Germanic, the south is more akin to Scots-Irish, Minnesota with it's Swedish-descended population is filled with pozzed liberals and Somalis fucking shit up just like they do in Sweden. Alot of ethnic tendecies have sort of been blended so they are much harder to perceive, especially among European-mixes but genetics will influence over generations which is why niggers will never assimilate and neither will Hispanics and any racially mixed people will usually average between their parent's races. Assimilating your non-white population will mean that you're population as a whole will turn increasingly shit as well.

I'm with you. Civic nationalism just means recognizing that someone like pic related is a hell of a lot better to have in power than someone like Hillary Clinton. They are both lawyers, would the ethnonationalists prefer Hillary on the supreme court just because she is white? Utter retardation.

On a side note, this is why the KKK went from being a widespread and feared locus of power to a laughingstock. They were intolerant of people based on their color and their religion. They needed to be intolerant of people based on their ideology, because it was White people with different ideologies who did them in. If they had focused on keeping the different ideologies out of political power in the first place, instead of accepting them in just because of race, they would have been a hell of a lot more successful in the long term.

Enjoy the future you're building, civnat cuck.

Also you can ask how Natives like the outcome and how you founded the country on new land without proper thousand year old civilization afterwards you had chased/wiped them out?

There's no need to visit if all your visitors here (especially the exchanges) behave like that

Explain why these rallies are also happening in 90% white cities than??? Just as well here's the statistic because I guess you're too retarded to look it up yourself google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/?amp=1

Do you not realize that German immigrants (who made up a substantial portion of the country's population at one point) retained their culture until after WW2 when they were forced to abandon it or be called nazis by the retarded sheeple that America had become?

>Chicago
>Detroit
>Philadelphia
90% white cities? Are you fucking braindead?

>he actually thinks there are more conservative blacks than whites and that conservative rich blacks still breed like rats even though they have no welfare motivation.

Are you schizo? What are you talking about?

>You named three cities of the hundreds that Antifa has been to
Wew

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Why would there be that many blacks in a civnat country. Oh right, there is non. You're just making retarded non arguments with sick maymay pictures from South Africa (not a fucking civnat state and basically borderline communist).

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Do you not understand what civic nationalism is?
>pictures from south africa
Oh ok, you're just a retard looking for (you)'s. Decent bait I guess.

Hundreds of cities they've been to? Name 50 with citation, faggot. Should be easy. We all know you weak dipshits can't operate outside of berkeley, like you said, or cali without getting your asses kicked. Austin was hilarious when you got your asses kicked by the Crips and BLM and literally ran out of the city like the little pussies you are.

That's not civic nationalism. That's forced integration and accepting hordes of niggers from the third world. Believe it or not, there is a way to accept few immigrants that will actually assimilate. The way we're going right now is bad. Pre 1965 immigration act is perfectly fine. We need to go back to only giving people with our values (who will end up being almost exclusively white) a path to citizenship.

>Pre 1965 immigration act is perfectly fine
You mean being almost entirely European? Wtf I love (((Civic Nationalism))) now.

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Are you going to deport left wing people or what the hell are you talking about? How would you get a 100% conservative state? If you have some idea of how to remove leftism the same thing could be done with the added benefit of no nogs, and then it would be 100% conservative and 100% white.

What do you mean with inbreeding, if you mean people of the same race/ethnicity reproducing together then we've been doing that shit since the beginning of histories and, barring wartime and invasions, wasn't until like the beginning of the 20th century when u had large amounts of interethnic pairings.

Outbreeding should be what you're worrying about Amerifat

Most nonwhites are not patriots, therefore have no nationalism for our country, and therefore could not take part in civnat. People like Ben Carson would be accepted as he's a patriot. People like shenaynay with 8 kids would be thrown out.

I'm saying we divide the country into spheres of political ideology rather than ethnostates as most people here want. In my opinion, that would reduce problems better than racial segregstion as well as that it's more realistic

It worked for you after wiping the origibal residents out and supressing incame immigrants culture.
That's not imposing of civic but nornal nationalism.

No This guy gets it.
A civnat country doesn't have shitskins breeding like rats. Welfare queens and muh dick niggers having 8 bastards won't be tolerated. A civnat country means the shitskins are culturally assimilated. Their reproduction rates would be similar to civnat whites.

I guess that's fine. One of those new states would be an ehtnostate.

It actually isn't at all, look at any electoral map, the cities and urban areas are all filled with left-wingers while rural areas are filled with conservatives, you'll basically end up with an almost entirely conservative and defacto white America with splotches of leftist populations blotting the country in the cities. As nation cannot function like that. And how would you handle the south, politically dividing the American south would basically end up the same way an ethnostate would go except you probably have alot more niggers straggling behind to fuck up your conservative states.

It was actually racial nationalism, the American founders were pretty explicit about the white part.

That's honestly perfectly fine as long as you aren't evicting people from their homes or scamming them out of their homes. I believe in freedom of association.

If you believe in freedom of association then a population of whites or blacks or whatever should be able to collectively decide if they don't want people from a particular race in their country and that could indeed entail evicting people.

What I'm saying is that civnat is more realistic and more efficient than ethnonationalism. Also, some ethnonationalists want the entire US to be an ethnostate which implies ethnic cleansing which any sane person can reasilze is bad.

Don't tell me what to do in my fucking state you cuck. We'll physically remove as many race traitors as we like.

civcuck nationalists tend to have no standards. they are basically liberals.

We'll then you are a psycho and anyone who thinks like you is probably too unstable to have a political opinion anyways.

>civnat is more realistic and more efficient than ethnonationalism.
>ethnic cleansing which any sane person can reasilze is bad.

a classroom of chinks niggers and faggots. this is america now, begin the purge

>step 1: have standards
>step 2: don't be liberal
Are you sold yet?

because unless you get rid of sub cultures, civic nationalism is impossible. At least ethnic nationalism is achievable.

t. mulatto

Oh shit I saw the pic and thought it was pic related out of habit

so make some hotspot areas multiracial, place the blacks into their own reservation zones like with the native americans, and send everyone else back, because we dont need anymore people

In a Rousseauian city state where dissenters are booted, it is indeed possible. Look into the Geneva city state during the late rennaissance.

>civic nationalism requires removing people who dissent from the prevailing values to function
>endorse a form of civic nationalism that promotes the right to dissent

If it comes to a civil war between deranged libshits and non-whites versus whites then anything could be possible and America's future mostly likely is either that or becoming Brazil 2.0

You overestimate the strength of ethnonationalism in the US. A racist uprising would have no support in the US and even if it did, they would be squashed with the help of our allies. Most of the new right are Milo/Shapiro people. Even the vast majority of race realists would be against fucking lebensraum tier war crimes.

Regression to the mean my friend. You can't take the nigger genes out of the "based black man". They will come back haunting your children in no time.

I see the potential in racial-nationalism but I can see that it's now still a almost fringe position to take. Still, look at history, Nazi Germans, Yugoslavia, Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if a civil war were to happen most people will be ok if they have to shoot the other side, civilians included, even if they have an old friend or neighbor among that side and with the utter genocidal hatred the modern left has for whites in just the last couple of years it is not that out of the world to think something like that will happen in our lifetime.

If White peoples first amendment right to peaceably assemble wasn't under attack, you might be right. But eventually the push back against communism always comes. Just will it be too late.

>assuming the right would start a civil war
>the only way to get back to a 90% white country is through war crimes

Because these whitebois actually think a country with American Indian names like Illinois and which had black slaves imported belongs to them.

Regression to the mean can be explained by the Flynn effect and this: Let's say you have an iq of 130, making you two std devs above the mean. Finding a mate of the same intelligence will be hard as only 2% of the population is that iq or more. If we assume that 98% will have a lower iq and the iq of the offspring will be somewhere in between usually, then that would explain the regression to the mean. Also, if we deport all the blacks that are stupid and get their average iq to 100, then the average of the American black population will be 100 so it wouldn't matter anyways because they would just regress to the mean of 100. This is why blacks in America don't regress to the mean of Africa which is around 70.

Why would they kill non whites on their side though? That just makes no sense whatsoever. They're fighting for their rights, not for your sick race war.

I would rather live next to Thomas Sowell than Lena Dunham.

Adding on to that, you need to remember the Rhodesian bush war. Blacks and whites fought side by side for a common goal, even though the enemy was exclusively black. The blacks were not drafted but rather volunteered at 7x the rate of whites and made up some of the most fanatical fighters for the cause. Rhodesia wouldn't have lasted a year without those men.

That is simply wrong, but I like the idea of deporting all niggers sub 100 iq. The 3 leftover niggers after 5 generations can even stay, if they're sub 100 iq. I don't even mind.

Proofs? Because that's literally how stats works. You might be right and I would be interested in that info if you are. I strive for the truth, even if it changes my world view so if you gave me valid evidence abou that effect I promise I'll read it. Hell, I'll probably look into it later tonight.

Because those non-whites could be untrustworthy. There are more US soldiers that have been killed by muslim US Soldiers than muslim US soldiers that have been killed by the Islamic militants that they were supposed to be fighting.

How do you think a civil war would work out? Both sides, liberals especially will exploit ethnic loyalties to incite non-whites on the right-wing side to gather intelligence and sabotage and the same can be done vice-versa especially with fake-defections and such and alot of deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq can be attributed to this.

Blacks vote 90%+ for the democrats, in a civil war scenario they would be extremely untrustworthy and dangerous to have as soldiers.

Niggers usually hate one thing more than whites and that's another group of niggers, in Rhodesia and alot of other African countries whites fighting one tribe of Africans would often easily obtain support of another tribe or ethnicity rivalling that first tribe. Spain conquered most of Mexico with this strategy with only a handful of actual Spanish soldiers.

In the USA there are no real tribal idenities besides maybe gangs and conservative black communities are just too rare. The situation in Rhodesia and America are too different to really be comparable.

Statistics yes, but heredity doesn't work that way. Iq may be just a number, but it's just a tool to make the complicated thing, that is intelligence easier to grasp. Intelligence is not a number, it's the result of an yet unknown number of different combinations in a different number of genes. For some races some genes simply have higher probabilities to manifest a certain way. To keep it short, watch alternative hypothesis' videos on that matter. They go through this stuff in lenght and great detail.

>Muslim
There's your problem
I wouldn't allow Muslims in the US since their worldview is inherently unassimilatable. That being said, there are white Muslims. Islam is a choice. Race is not.

I'll definitely look into it.

Indeed!

It's about group dynamics and most stable groups have a racial and inherited base. Muslims have an in-group, if they get put in an army fighting agianst their in-group they are likely to betray that army. The African tribes have an in-group, if you secure the loyalty of the tribe you have the loyalty of it's members too and they'll gladly shoot or machete any other black of their tribe's enemies.

Black Americans are a seperate in-group, conservative right-wing blacks are an extremely unstable group, you can be a typical black 1 day and a based black guy another day and then switch back the day after that. Tommy Sotomayor is an example of a black person who can seemingly switch sides in-between videos. I saw Pastor Manning talk about how he would side with whites in a race war in 1 video and then in another video he said that Malcolm X was right and that whites are the devil. Put them in a combat situation agianst other blacks and they're even more unreliable.

I would certainly not trust a black soldier to remain loyal to me and my side when fighting the other side that has 90% of the other people of his in-group fighting with them

Well what of half whites then? I'm around 80% European (gasp) and I have no allegiance for any other nation or people. I like the company of whites mostly but anyone who acts the part is fine by me. I can tell you right now that if the US went to war with Mexico, I would volunteer the day of. I hate those assholes and want nothing to do with them unless they are Maerican patriots. I am well aware that I'm a minority among nonwhites but the fact that people like me exist should be imo proof that a pure white America that excludes people like me is immoral. People like me would be thrown to the lions in these countries. We have no other nation to call home. No other land that fits our politics. We don't fit in those countries where the average iq is minuscule.

*American

To be white one must be more than 96% white
What you want is Brazil go there the ""whites"" there are about 80% mutts your beliefs are beliefs that fail all through history the pure will fight against the mutts and traitors

But Brazil is a shithole.

Ok Redditors, riddle me this. Why would I want to live with inferior races even if they were "redpilled"? Their shitty genetics will forever doom them to be i ferior and, by extension, a drain on the state

Look at Weimar Republic
People will become more radical and tribalistic always thoughout history

Finn man do not bother arguing just march on they will perish under our boots

Problem is that it would be in your self-interest if America and other white countries would be more inclusive to non-white people which in turn endangers those values. Jews have the exact same problem which is why we cannot tolerate their existence at all.

btw what is your non-white heritage and does it come from your father or your mother's side and, although I cud probably guess it from a previous answer, were you raised by both your parents or a single-mother family.

Also there's plenty of other countries, there's plenty non-shithole countries in South America like Chile or Uruguay or maybe like Singapore in Asia.

Woulda worked before the hyper racial left now you have

Because groups of people will always look after their own interests (except white people apperently)

>Mixing micro scale examinations of high/low quality individuals
>With macro scale concepts like governmental policies

Statistically Niggers on average are dumb and violent.

Dwayne in accounting is a cool dude.

Guess which one is better to build a governmental system on

Only 500 yards? lmao! Goodluck with that bud!

>there are no smart blacks
>there are no dumb whites
Lol. You're quite the philosopher poet.

Mothers side. Great grandpa was a whitewashed Amerindian lawyer/mayor in Mexico.

Surely, I don't have to explain to you what "average" and "normal distribution" mean?

As for regression to the mean, the IQ will still regress even if you have two high-IQ parents. The IQ of the kids will be, on average, about half way between parents average and the racial mean.

Also, while we're at it, I should note that I don't need the wthnostate to be 100% autistically pure, but right now we have a lot of people who clearly do not belong

Gonna do a wild guess and say you have a bit more Mestizo on that side based on the fact that the Great-Grandpa came from Mexico to the point where you physically look at least part-Hispanic and distinctly non-WASPy.

It's the most effective way to seperate your society as it allows you to recognize behaviour on the basis of physical traits. Combine that with the fact that you have regression to the mean and conflicting racial loyalties among the smarter blacks and racially segregating/seperating along racial lines becomes more and more reasonable.

Checked. Well as you know, Spanish aren't exactly white. The average Spaniard looks almost Mexican. There's also a great great grandpa who was a literal red face paint over the eyes Indio. Like I said, ~ 80%

Jews aren't white