Most epic moment in anime: When Ed resolves to start fighting back and blows apart Number 16 ala Scar

>most epic moment in anime: When Ed resolves to start fighting back and blows apart Number 16 ala Scar.
>saddest moment in anime: Ed turning his mom into ethanol.
>funniest filler: the Armstrong family one and the haunted warehouse episodes.
>deepest character development: When Ed wants to get revenge on Mustang for not telling him about Liore being put under Martial Law, and Mustang hasn't even told him about Hughes and sees him as a nuance in his path for revenge against the military, that should've confided in him.
Why'd this show have so many feels that Brotherhood didn't?

FMA 2003 is practically the reason the word "epic" was invented.

Hi Gaia

When's your 18th birthday OP?

Considering the show came out in 2003, maybe it's you guys who are underage.

No OP it's clearly you. I would stake my ring finger on the presumption that you are below the age of 18.

>2003 is better then Brotherhood

No shit sherlock.

Sounds like you won't be alive very much longer making stakes like that.

FMA 2003 was more drama, FMA:B was standard shounen

True. The characters in Brotherhood aren't very deep. They have one defining characteristic, like GoT characters and that's it. Ed's is his compassion. I never got this feel with FMA 2003. They all have deep layers, and you never really know what one of them is thinking.

>it's another "Sup Forums feel like being contrarian and pretends that 03 is better than brotherhood because muh nostalgia" episode
I hate reruns

Explain in what way the manga was better than the 2003 story.

I will make it simple for you and save you the luxury of embarrassing us both with the chaos of production value comparisons which 2003 completely dominates in (despite being 7 years older).

03 is better though.
So is the manga.
Brotherhood is the worst part of the franchise.

all of it's plot twists were retarded, the new storyline that 03 came up with sucked

Prove it then

What plot twists? Everything in 2003 flowed seamlessly and made sense. Brotherhood though.. It has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I know the original anime was tainted by its movie if you consider that "the ending," but if that was obligatory I would still count it better. Brotherhood couldn't decide what do to do with anything.

Homunculus? Let's throw in a Sith-style succession theme, and chimeras too, and MORE LIVING ARMORS!, and a zombie husk for Barry, and clone robots, and immortal scientists, and a genie in a bottle who thinks he's god; let's make him also a clone of Hoenhiem, and that means he must also be a clone of Ed! The 2003 used some of these sparingly to say the most.

This isn't even going into how stupid and self-contradictory it is that Al can perform Alchemy starting from volume 7, when he doesn't even have a real body. I also hate how it doesn't really recognize Leore or Rose again while the original does. It makes it feel inferior, and not canon, like Himekawa got butthurt that the anime directors thought of it before her, so she phoned in a reference or two to it and then ignored it. I love the manga up until Wrath and Greed fight. Then it's all downhill. In the next volume, the Homunculus set up this elaborate plan to oust the good guys by using Barry, while Mustang is seeing red, and yet they don't even manage to kill a single character.

Awful set-up and even worse execution.

It's only common courtesy for you to show your face first. With time-stamp.

>I'm so relevant other people have who's never heard about me owe me shit
Sure

It's nothing about being contrarian, 2003 is just better. The story holds less together for obvious reasons but it has more interesting plot points, subtext and character development. In comparison FMA:B as well as the manga feel somewhat pedestrian, as it went into more of an adventure and coming of age story.

Oh wow. Really goes to show the type of people who rejects Brotherhood huh.

What, showing that the people who lord Brotherhood never have any arguments to back up their opinion?

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first off, the consequences of people trying to usurp godhood is a much better plot device than DUDE IMMORTALITY LMAO. Second, saying that 2003 is better implies that invoking parallel universe travel as a narrative device is ever good (it is not, especially not when saying whoa man what if, like, their fictional world was a parallel version of OUR REAL WORLD :0).

You're also implying that the homunculi were handled better in the 2003 adaptation than in the manga/brotherhood, which is false

Brotherhood is subjectively better in everyway execution being its best quality

this

2003 >> Brotherhood's 2-10 episodes >> Manga >>>>>>> Brotherhood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manga's ending

Hey there, friend, inequality signs are a non-renewable resource you know, you just can't go tossing them around carelessly like that!

>people trying to usurp godhood is a much better plot device than DUDE IMMORTALITY LMAO
Uh, isn't that the same thing? And worse off, that's pretty much what the final boss wanted in Botherhood.

>Second, saying that 2003 is better implies that invoking parallel universe travel as a narrative device is ever good
How? You sure use a lot of words to say very little, and get nothing across.

This is a meme right? I would wish I would have watched brotherhood before 2003, so I didn't know half of the plot.

>mustang destroying envy
>the scene were ed sees his brother, opens the gate again and tell him he will come back

>2003 had more feels?
In fucking brotherhood I was sad that envy died, despite knowing that he killed hughes that piece of shit

>epic

Stopped reading there.

>In fucking brotherhood I was sad that envy died
It was well executed, but only on the level of tugging on heart strings. See, user, we're on Sup Forums. And most of us have no hearts anymore. So we see it as forced drama primarily because it comes out of blue, takes too long, plays exactly as every other sudden confession of a bad guy you're supposed to pitty and doesn't gel with the Mustang arc (which wasn't set up well and didn't matter since he got blinded even though he repented what the fuck).

That concept was explored terribly in Brotherhood tho

>character that has strong a real desire to become human, conflicting feelings and constantly switches sides versus "i have breasts and I stabbed a guy"
>hungry monster that shows actual human emotions and care for some that gets reduced to a gibberish monster that only consumes which fits with the show theme very well versus random mini boss that eats a lot
>super well forshadowed character that again fits with the show perfectly and is one of the best villains of all time versus Clifford the Big Green Asshole Dog who has five minutes of angst where he suddenly reveals he is jealous of humans and kills himself
>Character that is very relevant to the main characters struggle and influences another character, versus some slow fucker that's also fast cause irony
>03 specific homunculus is a very well written character
>Brohood specific homunculus is just prideful cause lol he's pride

Greed was just as good in both versions and Bradley was slightly better in Brotherhood cause he got more screentime.

I think I realize why Brotherhood fans are so ferrous in their devotion. It's because they see it as a bridge for light-hearted Shonen being accepted by the large anime/Shoujo and generally otaku community (who have an elitist thing going on kinda like PC gamers).

If they lose Brotherhood, they realize that they lose the war of ever being accepted for their tastes in over-the-top wacky anime/manga.

Mustang destroying Envy was fucking awful. Mustang had every right to burn Envy alive but then suddenly Edward, Scar, and Hawkeye go "no don't murder the literal monster that killed your friend and tried to kill you, you would become bad man" and then Envy goes off on some dumb spiel about being jealous and fucking kills himself, I don't give a shit about Envy he was a dick, that was all.

The scene where Ed promises he would be back is good.

Brotherhood has a good middle but it's start was dogshit and it's ending was pretty bad, so the middle is ruined by the rest.

>The scene where Ed promises he would be back is good.
I have to disagree. That was oversold. Not only was it random as fudge (Al had no reason to be there), but it undermined the creepiness factor of the 2003, wherein you never actually knew what became of Ed and Al. Poignant-wise, it would have been very hard to do a scene where the protagonist gets a glimpse at his end goal and not make it every emotional.

I will say this... in spite of my dislike of Al using alchemy, his seeing the gate was good. But that's actually the one plotline the 2003 anime decided to keep after Greed. And it managed to convey it better.

Al being traumatized by Martel > Al shaking off her death cause he can do alchemy (what an awful trigger to be thankful for)

Which brings me to the question, why did Ed see Al and not himself? That's because the story is poorly written. The fact you don't get an explanation is evidence of that. No sane person can deny this.

Brotherhood was always a shounen first, so when serious moments where you're supposed to care come on they feel completely out of place with 98% of the rest of the show. Because 03 establishes itself as a serious anime from the very beginning, going as far as doing a reveal for the first episode for Ed and Al's bodies, its why 03 (to me) always outsells Brotherhood every time, which probably warranted the bluray release as of recently.

>random as fudge

i only watched it recently and its 90x better than Brotherhood. They actually talk like real people unlike Brotherhood where every scene has some chibi head over the top anime slapstick bullshit, whereas 03 did it sparingly

Why should he see himself? He connected his and als door by sacrificing his arm for the soul of his brother. If you do a human mutation the door opens, you see the truth and the truth takes the most important thing from you. So it connected al's and his door.

>And worse off, that's pretty much what the final boss wanted in Botherhood.
No, in Brotherhood Father doesn't want immortality, he already had that as an inherent feature of him being a homonculus. Father wanted all of the knowledge and power that he felt had been stolen from him, being a tiny fragment of the Truth himself. He wanted to dominate what was left and reclaim what he felt was his birthright. In the 2003 anime the villain's motivations were "dying sux, I wish I didn't have to do that."

In Brotherhood the villains' motivations were "I have been cheated out of what was rightfully mine, and I want it back at any cost."

>why is parallel universe travel an inherently shit plot device
it is super lazy, cliched and furthermore adds nothing to the story

i always thought Ed saw Al because they had some sort of metaphysical connection due to Ed giving his body for Al's soul. so their gates kinda got crossed somehow. although you're right in that it wasn't exactly explained, but not everything needs to be explained fully to make sense of it.

i can't remember if it's in Brohood or 2003, but at one point one of them references Ed "eating for two" as to why Ed is always so hungry and why Al's body was still alive on the other side. it's been a while since i've seen either of them, so i'm not sure how accurate that is, but they said something along those lines.

Not only that but they were seriously letting such a dangerous creator stay alive was fucking dumb, it nearly took over the body of that panda girl. Everything about that scene with "don't kill envy or you'll regret it" was fucking dumb.

>unlike Brotherhood where every scene has some chibi head over the top anime slapstick bullshit

This is what bothered me the most about Brotherhood, it kept fucking up the mood

>(which wasn't set up well and didn't matter since he got blinded even though he repented what the fuck).
he still got blinded because Truth doesn't care if you were forced to see him against your will. He acts like an impartial force of nature, like gravity. Gravity doesn't care that you were pushed off a cliff against your will, you're still going to splatter against the rocks. Similarly, the principle of Equivalent Exchange doesn't care that you were forced to attempt human transmutation against your will, the consequences are the same.

Brotherhood >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2003

>frogpost

Your post is automatically null and void. Kill yourself.

why is Al using alchemy a problem? Channeling alchemic power doesn't require flesh and bone to perform, otherwise it would be impossible to channel alchemy through stuff like metal and rock, like when Kimblee causes remote explosions.

All you need to do Alchemy is supply a path for the power to travel through, by means of a circle. Anything that has a soul could do it.

Even though I prefer Brotherhood over 2003, this is a complaint I have with it as well. Along with the pacing of earlier episodes. Hughes and Nina's deaths occur way to early to have any meaningful impact in Brotherhood. The pacing doesn't feel as jarring in Brotherhood if you've seen 2003 first and already know the characters, but that's not exactly a good thing for a standalone series.

Dunno user, the moment he admitted that he was envy of humans because he wasn't one was damn sad. He laughed at humans but secretly always wanted to be one them. And then he killed himself because he was too embarrassed

>Because 03 establishes itself as a serious anime from the very beginning, going as far as doing a reveal for the first episode for Ed and Al's bodies
You mean the flashback at the very beginning? That's in the manga though, and the whole Liore arc too. I can't fault Brotherhood for those things, because the freeze alchemist is anime-only. What I can fault it for and where I agree with you on why 2003 BTFO Brotherhood in every capacity is the focus of the story.

In 2003, the Homunculus are like a group of badder than badass immortal serial killers. You feel a chill up your spine every time one of them appears on screen, because it establishes early on, that someone is almost certainly going to die. Nothing conveys this better than how you see that they make Liore a battlefront in episode 3 or so, after the Elrics leave. As a captive audience, you're scared and don't want these dudes anywhere near the main characters or their families. And the way they only appear sparsely after this, in the worst moments or waylay the protagonist's efforts behind-the-scenes (burning of the library), only sells this more.

In Brotherhood, they're just.... there. For instance, going back to . I think in the very next volume after the Homunculus' failed coup, the protagonist's hatch their own counter-plot. They basically call them on the phone by setting up some bait, and Envy (the one supposed to be most sly) falls for it. At this point, the strategy becomes "kill him until he dies," but Marco decides to spare him for reasons. They're not scary in the manga. It's even worse, because it does them the disservice of making them arbitrary pawns spawned by an infinite dues ex machina. As if that weren't bad enough, they don't make sense in the manga.

Why is Sloth a combination of Hulk and Flash?
Why is Wrath the President of Amestris?
Why is Pride a little kid and his son specifically?

In 2003 there's a reason for everything, but I ran outta room.

You're rationalizing in story explanations for an obvious flaw in story structure.

When you play with what are supposed to be character arcs and morals, you don't make them feel useless or conflicting (inb4 it technically doesn't conflict or some shit) unless you're making an important point.
What was done wasn't terrible, but was very un elegant and just a good example of why Brotherhood doesn't work that well.

First we get a hamfisted morality tale.
Then a tearjerker basically made for Hitler.
An arc that wasn't foreshadowed or developed well get a happy close.
Then the character gets punished because evil.

I mean why didn't AL see himself?

>"I have been cheated out of what was rightfully mine, and I want it back at any cost."
That was the Homunculus' motivations in 2003 first. Envy's more than anything. Being immortal beings allowed them the introspection that humans don't normally have, and made them sociopathic to a degree that some were conflicted with what they were, yet they saw comfort in wanting to become human

Mangaculus don't have quite a emotional drive. And your thing about the Father only makes me remember even more how stupid he was, considering he was already almost god-like. He lives in the Gate, and knows everything about alchemy, yet he wants more? For what purpose?

The eating for two thing is in the manga, I remember it, but I don't recall the context. I believe it's Ed retrospecting on how Al is still alive.

Because in Brohood, they tell you that alchemy works by channeling the energy of the earth such as geothermic, electric, etc. through the channels of the body. Like a chi. How can Al do this if he's nothing but a soul inside an armor?

the entire point of that scene was Mustang exercising self control instead of going off the rails and sating his bloodlust.

if he's going to be the future fuhrer, he needs to put the wellbeing of his people before himself. this is a theme established with Ling and Bradley. him killing Envy was a 100% selfish act. Hughes was already dead, and he fully acknowledges this. killing Envy wasn't doing anything for his friend. he wasn't doing it for Hughes, he was doing it for himself.

his revenge was justified, but it wasn't conducive to his ambition to be the fuhrer, and Hawkeye, Ed, and Scar remind him of this. his restraint in putting his friends and future people above himself is was paramount to his character, and contrasts him with someone like Bradley who fully gives into his hatred and rules only for himself, and compares him with Scar who was able to put aside his hatred for the greater good.

the scene also shows an important side of Ed and his idealistic notions of humanity in his empathy for a sociopathic fuck like Envy, which is a major driving force for Ed for most of the series.

Two things:
Homunculi aren't humans nor are they citizens and therefore shouldn't be treated as such.
Secondly, you can't jail them like normal people.
Thirdly, the sob story wasn't a redemption tale. It was just misery porn. Homunculi wasn't absolved of what it had done.
Lastly, Envy deserved to die by every moral system out there except for progressive hugbox.

that's because in the Manga and Brotherhood, the focus is less on the Homonculi being the main villains, and instead the main villain is the weight of the government and of Father's centuries-old plans. The Homonculi, the military, Amestris itself, even the protagonists' actions, all are pawns in his plan and the conflict is trying to wriggle out from underneath them.

>why are the Homonculi the way they are
IMO they're meant to be ironic

Sloth is some xboxhueg and 2quick mother fucker, but he's too lazy to ever want to use his potential

Wrath can't ever go nuclear like he wants to because his position demands dignity and restraint in all things

Pride is forced to suffer the humiliation of being an adult in a young child's body and being coddled and guarded like an invalid

Gluttony and Lust are handled sub-par in Brotherhood

Greed can never claim what he actually wanted (friends)

>He lives in the Gate and knows everything about alchemy, yet wants more? For what purpose
he outright states that even he doesn't know the whole Truth, and even beyond that he wants to claim the absolute power that Truth holds. He's constrained by his flask, and later on his body.

>How can Al channel alchemy chi if he's nothing but a soul inside an armor?
How can Ed? By your logic, Ed would never be able to form a full alchemy circle with his own body, because the "signal" would be blocked along his metal arm. It's because you don't need to be flesh and bone to channel the energy, this is actually silly to suppose because the energy is being channeled through miles or rock and metal from the tectonic plates of the earth, to reach your circle in the first place. Most alchemists don't even use their own bodies to make circles anyhow, you need to see the truth to do that. They just draw their circles on the floor and activate them, or use pre-drawn circles on various objects. Why can the "signal" propagate through the inorganic material of Iron Blood Alchemist's gauntlets?

Finally a proper Brotherhood advocate response.

Not that guy, but I still don't see what the connect is between avenging Hughes and sparing Envy. They didn't exactly need him alive.

>Ed and his idealistic notions
That was one of his character flaws exclusive to the manga. His "no-kill" stance isn't really representative of his character. It feels like a self-insert of the author or inspired. It feels superficial, and like he's danced around it the entire manga. He aims a spear at Bradley's throat, tries to kill Greed, fights Kimblee to the death with Scar if I recall, pretty much kills Pride. But don't kill Envy?

He was more like font that was needed to hold Envy away. The idea that he's against killing is more plot conveience than developed. Compare this to 2003 where he goes ham against Scar as soon as he sees him, because he now has no reservations after having to learn if he doesn't kill, he'll get killed against Greed.

He doesnt get alchemy user, read again his post:

>Al can perform Alchemy starting from volume 7

He say this when al can use alchemy since chapter 1, he just cant use it without a circle because he doesnt remember the door.

>Why is Sloth a combination of Hulk and Flash?
>Why is Wrath the President of Amestris?
>Why is Pride a little kid and his son specifically?

But the last 2 have explanations though, they are conveneint positions, or you forgot that father is pretty much the founder of amestris?. They even say that after bradley become the fuhrer the conflicts increased and the reason is obvious, they needed to end the circle before the eclipse so the put wrath there to do the job.

Sloth form is just for poetry with the sin same reason with envy and gluttony. And at least brotherhood (and the manga) make some sense as to why they were called that way, and they actually act (and die) in a way that represent the sin.

They werent going to keep the guy alive, they just didnt wanted that mustang were the one to kill him with that kind of mind.

Another OP confusing their favorite series as being the greatest

I see what you're saying and I don't like it.

Ed can perform alchemy because he saw the Gate, and people who see it can perform alchemy sans transmutation circles by making one with their bodies. His automail is part of that body.

Honestly I just thought the Nazi door thing, and many of the other parts of 2003's storyline were stupid and preferred the story that the manga put forth, which Brotherhood followed.

and likewise, Alfonse can perform alchemy (with his body) after his memories unlock and he remembers seeing the truth. His soul is bonded to the armor, and for long as it does so it is his body

>Homunculi aren't humans nor are they citizens and therefore shouldn't be treated as such.
>Secondly, you can't jail them like normal people
nowhere did i suggest that this is what should have been done. i'm just trying to explain the characters' actions. i wanted the smarmy shit to die too. if i recall Hawkeye even says she'll be the one to kill him.

>Homunculi wasn't absolved of what it had done.
this is exactly why he kills himself though. all he did he did because his jealousy of humans. upon recognizing the fact that everything he did wasn't going to make him happy like the humans were, nor did it faze the determination of the humans, he can't reconcile with it and kills himself. not out of guilt, but out of despair.

>Envy deserved to die by every moral system out there except for progressive hugbox.
you're completely right. and the fact that this is true and Mustang still forgoes killing him says worlds about Mustang's character.

>says worlds about Mustang's character
I don't buy it. It says a lot about how out of place the whole episode is.

The suit is just metal though. It doesn't have the One is All, All is One connection that a living body has that is inherent to the teachings of alchemy.

I think Himekawa came up with this brilliant plot and then forgot it. Author's block or whatnot. She probably regreted making Al perform circle-less alchemy.

>random as fudge

The Gate was an awesome plot-devise and I'm glad to have found out what was on the other side after being teased forever. It was satisfying and no-one in their right mind saw it coming.

Conversely, nobody cares what the Promised Day was. It just your typical anime bullshitery.

EVA is miles ahead of FMA.

>Most retarded moment in the series: human transmutation has special rules because reasons

the All is One, One is All teaching was to illustrate the principle of Equivalent Exchange and how it rules the world, nothing more. Even disregarding this, metal is just as subject to cycles of formation, destruction, and transformation as everything else

Eva masterfully directed. Anno knows how to make anime. The problem is that existentialism is an outdated and wrong philosophy and post-modernism is a decadent and nihilistic movement. As such everything Eva espouses is objectively wrong and ugly.

Shame. It could've been a good series.

>Conversely, nobody cares what the Promised Day was. It just your typical anime bullshitery.
>>>>

You mean in Brotherhood-only right?

It makes perfect sense that trying to bring the dead back to life requires the cost of something alive also, per Equivalent Exchange. In the 2003 that is.

Ed & Al had already brought everything that a human body is composed of.
If Equivalent Exchange were real, it should've worked.

>But don't kill Envy?

They were going to kill him though. The whole point is that mustang mental state was a mess so if he killed envy with those feelings they would fuck with him even more in the future.

But the truth is the thing in the other side user. The paralel universe thing is retarded because it comes from nowhere, doesnt make sense and dont even work with alchemy.

One of the things that i like about the manga (and brotherhood in that case) is how alchemy works because it actually makes much more sense that most of anime powers.

FMA 2003's Selim Bradley is shit tier

how do you determine the value of a soul per the rules of Equivalent Exchange?

this

your explanation is retarded. It would have taken a second to kill him. He already had him captured so the time was already wasted, if you can call that wasted considering he was a prime enemy.
A fuhrer needs to go through with justice. fgt.

oh hey, you completely missed the whole point of the series from episode 1

>The paralel universe thing is retarded because it comes from nowhere
I hate this meme. It was unexpected but it made perfect sense. The whole series has the idea of duality, one side - the other side, give - take. It's completely sensible that one side is a world of magic err alchemy and the other of science. That's a very well known and mundane concepe and felt great.

The use of national-socialist Germany setting on the other side was an amazing pick for a visually stimulating, dramatic and underused setting. I was blown away with the presentation and how it rounded the universe.

justice was gonna be served anyway. they weren't going to let Envy live. preventing Mustang from doing it was to preserve his mental state. they all were deeply disturbed by his power, and the thought of him being able to do such things as someone with significant political power was a big issue, especially considering the morals that Mustang himself wanted to become fuhrer to uphold.

if he lost his cool in a moment of anger once, he could do it again as the fuhrer. they didn't want Bradley 2.0.

That would make it posible in 2003, and it wasnt. The explanation is that equivalent exchange is a lie and souls are a thing.

Btw Ed do a human transmutation when he was inside gluttony with no problem, hell you can do one if you have a stone because theyy pay the cost.

I bet people defending emasculation of Mustang liked Iron Man 3.
"Darling you're kicking too much ass, destroy those iron men and become a nice guy"

Didn't destroy him when he fucked up Lust and a short service of justice on envy wouldn't have done anything except because author told us so.

I can't believe there isn't a "FMA: Definitive edition" out yet.
Just put 2003 episodes first and just before they go full retard with the universe travel bullshit, use Brotherhood's episodes.
2003 has the best early character develpment and brotherhood the best climax and ending.

I would go even futher and change alphonse's voice because every time he talks I want to kill myself.

"if you had a stone" an entire city was wiped out to create one...

>reventing Mustang from doing it was to preserve his mental state
He's going to kill some fucked who got his friend. It's fucking nothing.
The author is pushing muh feefees on soldiers. Hope you don't really believe you live in that kind of rainbow ponies world.

but 03 is the definitive edition and its fans dont care for the shounenshit plot it becomes in Brotherhood

It makes no sense from the get go.
How do you exact the Earth's gate? The "Earth" is just a concept created by humans, it is nothing more than a massive amount of mass that because of it has enough gravity to keep matter close to it.
There is no difference between the planet earth, a tiny rock on it and a human on it.
Shouldn't the birth of any kind of life be a huge fucking deal then, if the gate is that powerful?

>nazi Germany
>underused setting
lol

>See, user, we're on Sup Forums. And most of us have no hearts anymore.

Which other anime are there which happen in nazi Germany?
And no future reich or "inspired" settings.

The self-human transmutation is manga only. That's what I'm telling you. And the idea at the end was that Ed thought that there was something out there that he had missed or didn't know yet. That he wasn't cheated and that Al's body was obtainable.

Then Dante used a baby to illustrate how Equivalent Exchange was a lie. Except the point of the ending was SHE WAS WRONG AND ED WAS RIGHT because he does get Al back his body by finding an out in having learned about the Gate.

That was the karmic retribution he'd missed, and it was beautiful.

>slowly torture a guy to death and enjoy his suffering
>"it's fucking nothing"
>not indicative of a slipping mental state and a budding sense of sadism
I bet you think that Percy did nothing wrong in the Green Mile when he didn't wet the sponge

>hfw

>alt right edge lords are too fucking stupid to realizes that scene was about the parallels between Mustang and Wrath, the current and future leaders of their country, and not the morals of killing

>they don't make sense in the manga.
The homunculi make perfect sense in the manga: they are the embodiments of the vices of men. It isn't a very original concept, but it's a solid one. Their personalities, designs, and roles were created around this theme, so they end up being a pretty coherent bunch. The only one who doesn't fit very well with the rest is Lust, but that's probably because she was created very early into the story when Arakawa didn't have all the details set in stone.
FMA03 made the homunculi a group of unrelated random people and then shoehorned them into the Deadly Sins theme because they had already adapted the parts of the manga that named them after the seven sins. They also made rookie mistakes like associating the sin of Lust with romantic love.
>Why is Sloth a combination of Hulk and Flash?
Sloth is an underachieving pushover. He follows orders mindlessly because being compliant and following the path of least resistance is easier than making your own choices and thinking for yourself. He could be the most powerful homunculi, but he's one of the most incompetent ones because he's too lazy to use his inmense potential.
>Why is Wrath the President of Amestris?
Wrath is a warmongering dictator. He was the one who weaponized the State Alchemists. He ordered a genocide. He antagonized every single neighbouring country. He has vast political and military power and he uses every ounce of that power to spread violence.
>Why is Pride a little kid and his son specifically?
Pride is a snotty little brat. Children are known for being egoistical and self-centered because the sense of empathy doesn't develop fully until later in life. They even made him mommy's boy. He is not Wrath's son, he is just posing as Bradley's son because it's a valid excuse to hang around Central and be by his side without raising suspicions.

It's a very weak parallel because we've already seen Mustang sort our his war crime feelings. He's a strong man and this was just supposed to be another nuisance to be rid of. But stop. You're angry right? That means you're going mad so don't kill!
What the fuck

stop defending 03 you're shit at it, let others do the talking because you're making us fans look bad

user, im not saying that doesnt fit, but really comes out of nowhere. It doesnt help that have nothing to do with the plot and alchemy (becasue the door is supposed to be a alchemy related thing)

>Nazis are underused

Wut?

That was kind of the point.

Stop being so edgy user. The whole point is not making mustang someone that would kill for revenge, he killed lust because she was the enemy it was his work as a soldier to kill her, but he wanted to kill envy because he killed his friend it was only personal and that was the problem.

Except several people have already pointed out that doesn't make sense. Mustang is human and Wrath is a Homunculus. It's already a given they have nothing in common. You're trying to undermine an opposition, but your own argument is just poor.

Pretty sure the objective of EVA is to give a positive message.
Besides all his problems, Shinji learns everybody has issues but that doesn't mean he should shut himself from the world. The last scene of the anime ending is really explicit about this, he mentions how he can't love others if he doesn't love himself. Meanwhile the movie while a little more criptic has the same message in the last scene, with Asuka touching Shinji's cheek, Ikari crying and Asuka saying how disgusting.

Human relationships can be harmful but sometimes they aren't and that's when is worthy.

Fucking this. Pride in Brotherhood was fucking great.