Why aren't you an Anarchist yet, Sup Forums?

>No government
>No oppressive Capitalism
>No unjust social hierarchies
>No class systems
>No patriarchy
>Worker control over the means of production
>Radical direct democracy
>All prejudices are ended

Because anarchists are nasty fucks who support niggers, jews, atheists, feminists and fags.

kys

Because you're not actually an anarchist but a filthy commie.

> democracy
> anarchy

seriously kys

Because I don't have a 5 year old's understanding of human psychology, economics, history, etc.

Because I grew out of my edgelord phase a few years ago

That movement peaked in the 1980s, bruh. Move on, lol.

>no masters
> let's reeeee at the masters, that will show them

Because anarchism is just a dumber version of communism, with no discipline and full of fags

FPBP

We are in anarchy right now, this is what we have chosen to do with it.

True anarchism is unachievable in the real world.
It is a nice utopian concept though.

Because i Want to use my wits and intelligence as much as possible to abuse others for my gain

>Why aren't you an Anarchist
I'm not 13 any more

We were the first Anarchists.

Your system is hardly Anarchism when Capitalism is just as oppressive as the State

>acheve anarchy
>some guy doesn't like anarchy
>get friends together and forms militia
>conquers vast swath of land
>crowns self king
>anarchists are now feudal peasants
you faggots really overclock my almonds

Unachievable? We achieved it three major times, and it worked each time (Revolutionary Catalonia, Free Ukraine Territories, Paris Commune)

Capitalism is the oppression of the smart upon the unintelligent masses, how do you think jews manage to get away with it every single fucking time lmao, natural selection at its finest

this website is for 18+ only

>Implying his attempt to create a State wouldn't be stopped

> being this much of a NEET
> waaah I have to produce value to society so I don't sleep in a cardboard box, which was made by the capitalist system I hate so much.

see

The Capitalist structure is the same as the Statist structure, just on a smaller scale.

A business has a strict hierarchy with an owner and his subjects (workers). The State is a strict hierarchy with a 'leader' and his subjects.

The only difference is democracy exists in one and not the other.

>B-b-but it's voluntary
No, it's not. The choice between wage slavery and starvation is not a choice

Why have you shitheads ever managed to stop anything? You can't even stop stop the authoritarian leftists from purging you EVERY SINGLE TIME.

WE WUZ ANARCHISTS AND SHEEEEEEIT.
btw im not an ancap

can't be stopped because of major armaments of the militia guy, he has a state system on his back, you have not

Wage slavery exists only on those who are not competitive, people who are successfull in capitalism can do whatever the fuck they want, elon musk, fucking graditutes from harvard and shit can wave their balls all around and you know it

I'm not a NEET.

You do realise a lot of the work Capitalists use us for could be automated already, right? We have the technology. But even for higher-skilled work, Revolutionary Catalonia had hospitals fully staffed, and it had workers and democratically elected managers that ran factories and the like. Production was good under that system. Wages were replaced with labour vouchers, and there were no bosses

There are a lot of things dumb with this post, but I'll just ask about 1- how do you enforce no capitalism in an anarchy? If i wanted to sell something, and someone is willing to buy that something, what stops us? What stops people from starting businesses and owning private property?

Oh yeah, because Elon Musk is certainly representative of most people's experiences under Capitalism...

No, most people are either working class or middle class, by sociological definition. And they still have to get up and work 8-10 hours a day under a hierarchical system that can cast them aside at any moment. This is true whether you're an engineer or a cashier

This automation bullshit argument has been made for over a hundred years and production has only increased while violent crime and starvation have decreased.

What do you mean? It wouldn't need to be enforced. It wasn't enforced in Catalonia after the revolution. I could ask you the same thing. How is Capitalism upheld in the modern day? Through government and the State. Otherwise it would fall apart, like it did in 2008

It's a strawman to suggest you can't trade anything. You can trade your belongings for someone else's. But you can't exploit workers and take their surplus value

Nah, there are people who are not affordable to cast out, try casting out a succesful innovator and he/she'll find another company to work in 24 hours

>No unjust social hierarchies
>No class systems

Wew lad, I like how you loaded the former only to contradict it with the latter. Top kek if you’re not serious. Otherwise pic related

Except things get automated all the time....The McDonald's near me just brought in self-serving kiosks, and most factory production is automated these days.

Don't talk shit about Catalonia, I'll knock your cunt right in, faggot, and go all General Franco on your arse

It might be easier to transfer from one job to another if you've specialised, but you're still looked on as a commodity instead of an individual by the Capitalist, just as the State looks upon its subjects as tax cattle

This is not what anarchy means

Anarchy is just the lack of the state

Capitalism is inherent to anarchy, you can't have true capitalism without anarchy.
Social hierarchies are an inherent part of human beings and will be much stronger actually without a state to artificially protect people. The 'patriarchy' would also come about naturally.

Worker control over means of production is socialism, not anarchy.

>Prejudices ended because we removed the state

LMFAO

Fuck off, meme flag user. Show your real flag, I bet you're a Canadian,

Explain how allowing people to voluntarily exchange with each other is oppressive?
Jews are upheld by the state and the state is upheld by Jews. I can't legally discriminate against Jews or detach myself from the Jew-state parasite that sucks me dry without getting Ruby-Ridge'd.

Literally everyone is a commodity mate, and as in economy some are worth more than the others and some are so precious that they cant fail

>imblying a stateless society is a defenseless society

Capitalism is inherent to Anarchy? How so? You guys are the latecomers to Anarchist thought, so don't try to claim otherwise.

Unlike you Right-wing Anarchists, we Left-wing Anarchists actually have revolutions. We have successful examples of our system, such as Catalonia, Ukrainian territories and Paris Commune,

The burden of proof is on you, buddy.

If you end Capitalism, the State and Patriarchy, you eliminate most prejudices. All that's left then is racism

>No government
>Worker control over the means of production
>Radical direct democracy

oh boy this won't go badly.

>no government so no military
>no way to enforce division of goods
>group gets together and hires hungry yet strong men to be security, paying them in food and shelter
>hire hungry people to work farms, paying them in food and shelter
>create a town
>create more means of production
>create industry
>create an invisible perimeter of land around your various settlements, aka state line
>hire people in that state to manage disputes, ownership and create basic laws
>continue expanding
>hungry jelly anarchists look in and want to take it
>get killed by private armed force who are happy with their new life

true anarchy leads to ancapistan, and eventual capitalism. communism stops this by using government and military to stop people from trying to get ahead, since human's (whites, jews and asians) natural inclination is to gather together and build shit.

commies r returd but there is also issue with current day governments being very heavy handed with keeping up the bad parts of capitalism ie only letting certain companies get ahead in certain industries. the energy industry is a good example of this.

more free market helicopters pls.

look who's talking spastic

Nice try, kike.

Anarchy just results in Feudalism.

>The first ships had sails
>Therefore steamships aren't real ships

>No oppressive Capitalism
>No patriarchy
>Worker control over the means of production
>All prejudices are ended
I like the no masters part but what the fuck is up with all this communism?

Again, Capitalism has the same inherent structure as the State, A strictly hierarchical exploitative system.

It's not voluntary. You either participate or you starve. Even to be self-sufficient, you have to participate to some degree in Capitalism

>"The notion that a contract between the Capitalist and his starving subject is in any way meaningfully voluntary is a sick joke"-Noam Chomsky

It's not Communism, it's Libertarian Socialism. There is still a value signal system in the form of labour vouchers

>Radical direct democracy
no thanks, mob rule is retarded

>All prejudices are ended
prejudices are proper, necessary and justified

You idiots took our word (Libertarian was our word too) and co-opted it for yourselves

If you allow people to make voluntary contracts and you recognize property rights, this "exploitation of the workers" will happen, because someone will have a skill and someone will have a way for that person to use their skill (pot maker and clay-extractor or something).

There also is no such thing as exploiting workers since they enter into a voluntary contract. If you want you could say workers pay factory owners for the privilege of being able to just produce a good for paycheck rather than do EVERYTHING themselves

Racism and prejudices and oppression are antithetical to a free society. You're not free if you're discriminated against or oppressed

some races are inferior to others
can't change facts

>Labor vouchers
Literally Hitler. Stop shilling anarchism, you're an idiot and you give us a bad name.

>Even to be self-sufficient, you have to participate...

tfw your best argument is to belabor the obvious and ignore the obvious in less than a sentence.

All your fancy talk won't stop you from getting raped by niggers if you got your wish. All the "Anarchy" awaits you in sunny Somalia - why do you hesitate?

It's almost like you want the ability to own something privately and exclusively, isn't it?

Hol up, you're telling me if I work you give me currency in exchange? Stop oppressing me with your capitalist garbage!

>anarchy
>no government
>radical "direct democracy" ie mob rule
Nah, I realize how stupid the average person is then remember that 50% are stupider than that as George Carlin would say. I'm good. In fact, I'm more than good, I'm absolutely thriving under capitalism. Sucks that you're a loser.

>recognize property rights
Because property just came into being in a totally fair way one day and all we need to do is "recognize" that and definitely shouldn't think about it in any way.

It's not voluntary. What is voluntary between working for a wage or starvation?

Say I have a truck full of bottles of water, and I go into the desert. I see a man dying of thirst, and offer him water in exchange for a million dollar payments he'll have to make in instalments for the rest of his life. In that moment, it's voluntary, but only in an absolute vacuum. In reality, it's entirely exploitative because I've taken advantage of need to service my own greed.

The Capitalist does much the same thing. A person has three choices:
1. Work for a Capitalist
2. Go on government welfare
3. Starve

Not much of a choice.

As for worker exploitation, it's real. The boss takes the surplus value. For example, take a McDonald's worker. He will always produce more value that the minimum wage in an hour (I mean, one meal alone is usually about €4), so the difference between the value he creates and what the he gets in wages is called 'profit' and goes to the Capitalist. That's exploitation

I'm an anarcho-primitivist and think we should all live in caves and that also Earth only needs like 20 000 peope total

Im not trying to claim we're the first anarchists, but anarchy is simply a lack of the state.

I fail to see how past revolutions make your ideology any more legitimate than ours, the age of a thought does not equate with its legitimacy. As far as libertarian revolutions, 1776.

The State is not Capitalism. The State is not the Patriarchy.

Capitalism is just the voluntary exchange of goods and services, which can never truly end unless you manage to enforce total ownership of everyone. It is the State which is inherently anti-capitalist as it doesn't respect property rights and forces an 'exchange' between you the taxpayer and it, the service provider (who maintains its monopoly on the services it offers through force). It is the State which interferes in the voluntary exchange of people through force via regulations and taxations and subsidies and laws limiting particular goods and services or demanding a minimum value for exchange in some situations (minimum wage).

I would say the State we have now is matriarchal, as there are numerous laws advantaging women. Male-dominance in production is a natural consequence of our inherent biological differences, the "patriarchy" will always naturally come about if you remove false influences, like the State.

There is nothing wrong with prejudices. Capitalism itself is not prejudices, it simply allows them.

So no gods, no masters, but I don't have the freedom to create what I want to create? Sounds like oppression under a different name to me.

'Race' is a social construct. Can you objectively define them?

Right on tribesman.

Anarchists aren't inherently opposed to the idea of currency. That's Communists. Anarchists just want an end to Capitalist relations and worker exploitation

Even if I entertained that thought for a second, how does this make our ideology wrong?

Shit faggot check this one out.
Are they the same? Do they look the fuckin same?

You're insane. Earth can handle as many as 5,000,000 people.

>Anarchists just want an end to Capitalist relations and worker exploitation
that's Varg Vikernes stuff boi. Tribe over everything else - anarcho primitivism/ tribalism/ odalism

Organized power defeats disorganized individualism. Look at the internet for evidence. It came closest to a basic, grass roots anarchism platform that we ever had. Ever! And it got bought out, controlled and now speach and information controlled by multinationals and kikes.

Also Kaczynski could not escape civilized society and modern industry. Its structure is global and totalitarian. You cannot escape it ANYWHERE. Every square inch on this planet is mapped and marked with satelites and owner rights.

Capitalism is not just a voluntary exchange of goods and services. That's just Austrian school diarrhea.

Capitalism is defined by Merriam-Webster as "an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market"

> Can you define race
Niggers
Whites
Dravidians
Eskimos
Australasian Aboriginals
Sinoids
I think those are the main ones. I seem to have left out American Natives but nobody really gives a fuck about them, they don't even get used in "Benneton" adverts.
But are you just trying to be retarded?

You can't create a State to oppress others, you sociopath

It doesn't make your ideology wrong, but it's annoying when you guys try to claim you're the 'real Anarchists' when you guys came last to the party

How about you simplify to the basics fucker.
Capitalism is trading shit for other shit and there's money somewhere inbetween.
EZ

What objective scientific criteria are you using to define these?

Who gives out labor vouchers? How do they know I work?

Capital is the defining feature of capitalism, dummy.

Use less big words kid, doesn't make you smart.
Skin color different
Eye color different
Bone structure different
Bones made of different amounts of components as is the rest of the body
Different environments of origin

what does coming late even entails? everything around you came to be at around half millennia ago, so we should go back to caves?

Ah, the good ole "I have to drink water to live, so water is tyrannical" argument.

Please stop being fucking retarded. An inherent aspect of life is needing to do things to continue living. NO ONE has a right to be kept alive by other people, except for perhaps incapable children whose needs only exist due to their creators and not because of any fault they have.

There is NO SYSTEM which removes working from living. Any form of UBI or welfare comes from workers/producers.

You do not have a right to exist. You have a right to be free from aggressive force against you, I cannot kill you. You don't have a right for me to feed you.

As far the McDonalds explanation, that is not exploitation. The supervisor is also performing a valuable service. The owner of the place allows the people to operate their business their for a fee. etc.

There is no surplus value since the McDonalds worker does not own everything and do all the jobs that have to be done there, only for some of the money to not be his. He does a portion of the labor and is payed for his portion. All the money taken in is distributed as agreed upon by those agreeing to the contract.

>That's not a real ship! Ships use sails!
>That's not a real flying machine! Flying machines use balloons!
>That's not a real phone! Real phones have cords!

We're better than you.

No one forces niggers or another racial group to stay where they're not welcome. They just have to move their asses and find a place of their own (possibly back to Africa in the case of niggers)
Still, waged slavery is an oxymoron: slavery has no wage, is not paid. If you're waged you're a worker, not a slave.
You say the choice "work or starve" is unfair. Guess what? Cooperating to society to get food is fucking common sense if not basic human decency. You can't expect to get food if you don't work and spend your time jacking off, the world is not like your mom's basement.

A democratically elected manager gives out the vouchers to the workers

>inb4 "but that's a hierarchy"
It's democratic. The workers can choose not to have a manager if they wish, and they can elect and dethrone managers

>>Worker control over the means of production
Who will invent new means of production?
incentives?

The sense of vision, and smell (unmistakable visual and olfactory indicators). As well as DNA. Again - are you just trying to appear dense? Do you get GBP for proving you think the way you do? Of course, races are different, and race is a real thing. Cunts like you would deny that water was wet and contained mainly H2O if you thought it could prove your anarcho credentials. This is why you and your ilk will always be crushed, General Franco-style.

True anarchy wouldnt hide behind Sup Forums

Is it right for the majority to choose my ruler?

You still have bosses and managers, you just want the majority to approve of him. How is that anarchy?

Projecting
Nope

Worker cooperation is central to Anarchist ideology.

As for discrimination, why should they have to move? Why should some cunt be allowed to deny a black man service just based on the fact that he's black and the black man has entered an arbitrary line in the sand he calls his 'property'?

To sum it up

Every damn cent that comes from a burger made from a burger joint goes only into people that contributed towards the sale. There is not any bit of money which goes into the pocket of someone that wasn't useful and necessary for the money to be there in the first place.

So if you don't like me and you own the only super market and gas station in 200 miles, you can just price me out of affording any food or gas, but still not be responsible for my death?

Because I haven't heard a satisfactory answer on how dispute resolution would work in an anarchist society. I either get non-answers, or an answer that reveals a system with less freedom than what I live with now.

Woah. Lookout everyone. We got ourselves an internets tough guy here.