A serious question for all Sup Forums users:

A serious question for all Sup Forums users:
Do you actually believe capitalism a good system worth saving?

Even if we achieve a patriarchal white ethno-state (or whatever your goals are), do you really wish for that ethno-state to function as a capitalist society?

I mean, even if ignore the moral/philosophical/theoretical aspect of this, don't you people see just how COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to your own principals such a scenario would be? Capital will always push AGAINST your desired status quo. Women being re-introduced into the workforce and open immigration would mean plentiful, cheap labor.

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Why address as a whole? There are 10 different ppl on here with 10 different shit posting ideology.

third way economics

No

Literally everything Sup Forums hates of the current status quo is a result of the sane capitalism currently in place it worships. Feminism, immigration, automation, degeneracy etc

>open immigration
Demonstrated inconsistent with capitalism. Third-worlders impoverish and destroy capitalist systems.

It boggles my mind that retards like you can still question capitalism. Any country that has tried anything anywhere close to communism is a failed shithole. Countries that embrace capitalism are the richest in the world. Sure capitalism makes for a bunch of rich fat cats, but they get there by providing us with food, housing, medicine, cars, tech, and everything else we want. Your posting on this shithole of a website because of capitalism and you're not living a subsistence lifestyle because of capitalism. Does capitalism work? Indeeed, it's the only thing that ever has.

Capitalism is what allows the Jews to control us, dirty kike. Communism is just as bad.

NatSoc how can you not know this

>He thinks anyone wants pure, unregulated capitalism
kek, what is a mixed economy?

>Be me
>Play Rust
>Nobody on server with best guns
>Grind hours upon end to get the blueprint to make the best guns in the game
>Decide to sell best guns to noobs so I can profit more off my success
>10 people on server with best guns
>10 people do the same
>Majority has best guns

Wow how weird that in a capitalist system those who seek to enrich themselves are willing to enrich others in exchange.

Social Engineering is what allows people to control others.
Stupid, brainwashed citizens allow politicians and companies to get their way all the time because they know how to push the public into accepting their narrative and goals.
Capitalism is the best system for country growth and prosperity that we have so far, but we need more people aware of how crony capitalists, lobbyists, and politicians operate so we can get some push-back and balance.

The problem is that we don't live in a capitalist society but a corporate protectionist society.

>Banks and company's bailed out
>Regulations created to cut competition
The best example of this is seeds. There are regulations requiring the testing of seeds sold for copyrighted genetic material and testing to ensure a seed will always germinate.

Farm-cons and seed library's where heirloom seeds are being given out are being shut down and fined because of this.

>Posts from home, made by capitalism
>Posts from a computer, made by capitalism
>Meanwhile communism/government killing more people, producing nothing of value

Bro, capitalism sux.. hit this joint and you'll know

idiot

My great grandpa worked on a farm and used newspaper as insulation for his walls. His son ended up working as an "exploited" factory worker for General Motors because it offered him a better life outside of dirt poverty. Then his son had the opportunity to get a college degree and work a well paying job for a trucking company, earning a well off middle class lifestyle for his family. Then he was able to provide me with the education and opportunity to become an engineer and maybe someday provide an even better life for my future sons.

That's what capitalism has done. Our family didn't elevate itself because of a government welfare program, but because of the economic opportunity to rise up that capitalism provides. Under communism that never would have happened, my great grandpa would be a poor farmer, my grandpa would be a poor farmer, my father would be a poor farmer, and I would take up the same mantle of poor farmer. And the commies would view this as a wonderful, beautiful thing, because I'm not "alienated" from my work or some meaningless communist drivel.

there aren't any good paying GM jobs suited for poor farmboys (or their 2017 equivalent) anymore

I know. Leftist policies killed them all (and Detroit as a whole).

>Leftist policies
Like free trade?

>Do you actually believe capitalism a good system worth saving?

This is what the class system does to people:

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That's the real problem.

Like giving the unions unnatural amounts of power and raising taxes and regulations.

Distributism.

>unnatural amounts of power
? ? ?

>raising taxes
? ? !?

>Expecting a commie to know anything about politics, business, or economics

Capitalism doesn't need saving.

>Capitalism is the best system for country growth and prosperity that we have so far,

Did you see the OP's picture? Does that look OK to you?

>Capital will always push AGAINST your desired status quo.
And this is only a problem if you give the government the power to do it
It has nothing to do with 'capitalism'

Capitalism isn't a system. Gas yourself, kike.

It doesn't matter what system we have we'll always be under someone's thumb. All I care about is that I have a little wiggle room.

Look at in terms of Communism = Everyone is poor Capitalism = Some people get rich. there is no middle class in communism. imagine the inequality we have now and corruption and times it 10 for communism its literally common sense and a historical outlook communism might actually be a mental illness

Its really as simple as that

that is why you need guns and homeschool

Every single human civilization ever tried has had a pyramidal structure like that, seriously find me ONE(1) example where that was not the outcome. You can't.

It has EVERYTHING to do with capitalism.
Capital has its own motives and goals, which it will even more power to enact without governmental intervention. Curling the power of government (including the power to, say, enforce patriarchy or guard a nation's borders) is something Capital always tries to achieve. It doesn't benefit anyone, include you or your reactionary sensibilities.

>Ben Garrison comic

All predicted in the 1927 German expressionist sci-fi movie called Metropolis.

Which is why capitalism is good. Capitalism literally is just a lack of these regulations, laws and taxes. You are always going to live under a ''mixed model'' which just means that there are taxes and laws in place, but it's not full on retarded socialism.
The ''wiggle room'' is just a lack of those government restrictions. The kikes have weaponized words so much it's insane. When someone promotes capitalism what they are essentially saying is that they want the government to have less control over our lives.

National-Syndycalism is the solution.

>power to enact without governmental intervention
How?

This.

If your complaint is that power is concentrated in too few people, how is it better to give ALL of society's power to a single central planner?

"Do this thing, or you'll end up without a roof over your head by the end of the month"

I own my own house

"I should be given your roof for free"

That's not what socialism is, though. Socialism is all about democratizing power, to take power AWAY from the small clique of the super-rich and the managerial class and into as many hands as possible.
I'm sure you'll bring up a bunch of Leninist states as counter-examples, but that doesn't change the fact that it the textbook definition of socialism.

''If you don't accept your child's gender delusions you will lose your child and the roof above your head, and go to jail''

no capitislism manipulates the people thats y nat soc is gud

The problem with communism is that people are unperfect, and comunism can work only in perfect world, same with capitalism.

I was giving him an example of how Capital enforces its will, since apparently people on Sup Forums struggle to comprehend and form of coercion that doesn't involve strictly governmental institutions.

So the central planner is a senate?
Or is it a society wide vote?

What stops the whites from voting to only build on the white side of town?

Comie IDIOT, does not understand the difference betwean sex and rape ... or capitalism and crony capitalizem.

Why cant you go live somewhere else?

Coercion is when you say you have to give somebody your roof for free (or else).

> Women being re-introduced into the workforce and open immigration would mean plentiful, cheap labor.
what does women have to do with anything? Why do commies go and talk about women? Why do you consider women weak?

Not the modern Capitlalist Consumerist society we have today. Only Feudalistic Capitalism will work.

This.

Can we close the thread already?

Capitalism is a fucking meme that doesn’t mean anything. There’s no longer any functional difference between welfare-state capitalism and Marxist socialism, they’re both just Jewish materialism cults leading the world into globalization. The dialectic is fully synthesized

There doesn't even have to be a "central planner". Somethings as simple as having corporations be accountable to their employees is a form of socialism, while keeping the whole "Darwinian competition between firms" that capitalist societies supposedly have (at least in the idealized form of imaginary capitalism people here imagine they live in)

>corporations be accountable to their employees is a form of socialism
its called quitting

Stupidest thing I've read on here today.
Congrats

What the fuck does it mean for communism to ''work.'' Why do you brainwashed niggers keep using such retarded phrases? Take a step back from your brainwashing and actually look at what it would look like for communism to ''work.'' You would have zero self-determination, no choice in life. In any normal society you earn money and you use that money to buy things you can afford. Don't like Coca Cola? Don't fucking buy it. Under communism you don't even get the choice. You get what the government can afford to give you.
The entire idea of communism is beyond retarded. If you ever managed to get communism to ''work'' it would be hell. I would rather kill myself than live in this fantasy ''working communism'' land.

>"Not real socialism"
Every fucking time.

You guys are way better at criticizing capitalism than you are at coming up with a reasonable system that works.

Even if we go into the weeds of your obtuse parable, that doesn't work. A distributionist system would take houses from people who own many (e.g. real estate tycoons), not single houses owned by ordinary folk.

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So you want capitalism except where there's no incentive to start a corporation.

Fucking leaf. Will you believe anything if there's a picture that says it?

> meme commie flag
> A serious question
stopped there
enjoy your (you)

No floating currency to International Jews, than maybe capitalism. But until the Jewish Problem is resolved, National Socialism or some variant of the 3rd position is required.

Latvian dog, you were fucked by commies and you are buyed of now by jews, what a pity.

Honestly, I want a capitalism where actual entrepreneurship and competition are still a thing.
As it stands right now, the system we have is an ossified financial mess with all the bad of capitalism without much of the supposed good.

These sub-humans are just using buzzwords and playing semantics.
When you know what words mean everything these niggers talk about translates to ''there are problems, and all those problems can be fixed by the government waving a magic wand at the problem.'' That is all these sub-humans do when they whine about capitalism.
I wish these losers spoke straight for once and actually said what they mean instead of disguising it in terminology and vague phrasing.

yes, capitalism is the proven very best system
and communism is the proven very worst system
now bugger off and die, you absolute scum

And how will you pay rent?

If you ever sit down and talk to them they have a laughable sense of history, at best the view it as uninteresting/irrelevant and at worst as fairy tales or superstition to be dismissed.

No, fascism is better.
Fascism worked excellently and we're still benefiting from the massive spike in technological progress Nazi Germany gave us.
Rockets, computers, jet engines, and by extension the internet would not be possible without their scientists developing them.

Meanwhile what has communism made for us? Garbage, trash people with shitty ideas, poor technology made off the advancements their enemies made.

The bad is the welfare state and pluralism
What does that have to do with "capitalism"

Sup Forums is a National Socialist board, commie scum. That's your fucking answer.

Work somewhere else

How about you take the time to read some actual scholarly work isn't of dismissing it all as "vague phrasing" like some infantile philistine?
Most "vague phrasing" you've probably encountered it actually very precisely defined. It is, after all, what "terminology" is for.

National socialism only worked because of fascism.

>That's not what commishit is, commishit is...
Wrong

Commieshit delusions are about clique of cuck losers who will inevitably get taken control off by kikes or some other assholes, stealing from those who have until they realize they are just retarded faggots who fell for one of the oldest trick in mankinds history and got fucked over themself by those in controll of them and lost all their freedoms. Im sure you will bring up some commie platitudes and delusional promises that have no substance or relevance in reality.

Don't worry. Vote Trump

Well I agree with you there. There are a lot of problems with our system now.

What does the welfare state has anything to do with the state of top-down financial capitalism?

Capitalism is like a gun, it can be used for good or bad,it all depends on who's wielding it & for what purpose
For a nation to properly work,it needs capitalism, even if just some aspects of it
But sometimes capitalism can lead to the mega elite bankers getting into power (cRapitalism) and buying all the nations with usury

What if I can't find work anywhere else?

Tell me it isn't accurate, you sub-human loser.
Your problem with ''capitalism'' is that there isn't a big state that does things the way you want to ''fix'' the problems in the specific way you want them ''fixed.''
You just want the government to wave its magic wand and throw taxpayer money at the problem. That is what all your retarded commie literature boils down to. This posts sums up every single thing Marx has ever written.

You've never read Marx.

Yes because then we can be free to associate with whoever we want. Anything else is a detriment to freedom and is asking for a violent response. Most people on pol would get a bullet because they would start treading on things they dont own because most people on pol dont have jobs are are welfare leeches themselves.. aka NEETs..
all collectivists never want to take personal responsibility because they are complete and utter losers who need their ass beat

You don't even deny it, you fucking snake. Why can't you retarded losers just talk straight for one second?
Just say yes, you want the government magic wand. Just say yes, you dishonest piece of shit.

they want to coerce you via the state... they are the ultimate cowards. any collectivist is like this. just shoot them when they encroach on you

Capitalism and communism are a false dichotomy both systems your just ruled by kikes
There is a third position
Read mein kamph by Adolf hitler

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then you're a useless piece of shit and should probably go begging at a church

But let's drop for now the pedantic back-and-forth.
A more fruitful way of looking at your suggestion is asking simply, how many people do you know who've quit their job over moral objections?
How much did their departure impact the objectionable business?

>Unions become vindictive towards management and disrupt the operation of a company while scaring customers away with their constant striking, ruining any cohesion between workers and management, ultimately ruining any relationship between the employers with distrust.

>Raising taxes on companies so high which will force companies to just close and go somewhere else where there is low taxes.

user, you can't be this retarded.

how about no faggot. get a job and stop blaming people for your personal problems. you are no better than the "kikes" you blame. fuck off you worthless leech

What they really want is to live vicariously trough the state. They want what they perceive to be the government magic wand, in their mind every single problem that has ever existed can be fixed by waving the government's magic wand at it.
Of course these people will never get their hands on it, but they fantasize about how they would use it if they got their hands on it. The fantasy is that even though they will never have a cozy government job, the big daddy gov will be doing exactly what they want.

Capitalism is flawed but Communism is even more flawed.

That is actually extremely improbable (unless you have government heavily imposing things like minimum wage). If you actually can't find another job (in a fee market) you are probably both retarded and weak.

just tell every collectivist that they are a threat to freedom and they will laugh and crow at how "foolish" you sound. while they laugh, load your firearm and wait for them to come knocking. these people will never learn because they dont want to learn they want to take and step on the successful