I'm starting to get into conservatism, but there's one thing I don't understand

I'm starting to get into conservatism, but there's one thing I don't understand

If conservatism is about self responsibility and a lack of government handouts, why do conservatives support corporate welfare in the form of large tax cuts and the ability for corporations to make use of the services of the government almost for free? Corporations tend to be a net drain on Federal coffers.

I'm sure you guys have an excellent explanation for why I'm wrong, but you also might just be mentally retarded ideologues who just don't want to pay taxes but also simultaneously want the government to protect you and provide you with the countless services it performs which you always overlook

B-b-b-ecause it m-m-otivates the corporate and they will h-h-hire more people.

These anarcho capitalists will feed you some BS. Stay away from them. They're delusional fucktwats just like Commies and SJWs.

libertarian society looks cooler imo

Nobody defends that. Massive corporations are in bed with the left, not the right. Look at how Google and FB push a leftist agenda.

> Lower tax rates = more companies relocating there

> Companies that save money have more money to invest = innovation

I do not believe in government bailouts for private corporations, that's completely against the belief of Capitalism. I also don't know what you're referring to when you talk about "services of the government" that drain our Federal coffers, please elaborate.

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>confusing social agendas with fiscal agendas

POO

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What you need to do is embrace your identity and read up on Fascism and White Nationalism

If the government disappeared the stock market would immediately collapse, not enter a bull market. Can you explain this?

Corporations need the government because their customers need the government because without a government they would have to purchase services from corporations performing the same role as the government, essentially just a new government. Governments are essential, they are emergent in all human endeavors, yet conservatives want to be able to leach off of the government's economic playing board without contributing back to it proportionally as much as customers do

remember, you're here forever.

>Thinking social agendas aren't driven by fiscal ones

You think Google and co are really driven by an earnest concern for blacks, muzzies, gays, and illegal immigrants?

can you define conservatism ?

the conservatives have not conserved anything in the last 50 years. the government keeps growing and is bigger than ever.

>So they're liberals and they act as proof of why liberals are bad, but in reality they're actually NOT liberals, see, haha!

kys

Because neoconservativism is literally subhuman in every regard, but it's still the gateway to fascism and the thoughts that build civilization itself.
You have to come to terms with the fact that the average conservative could quite easily be dumber than a leftist.

USA has one of the highest corporate tax rates, and as a consequence US corporations end up doing business elsewhere. If you want to stimulate growth, one thing you can do is make the business environment attractive to investment.

post modern liberalism is pure moderate communism, now called socialism combined with modern ultra capitalism free market, and twinkle spread some conservative fundamentalist values to prevent immediate corruption and tyranny.

And that is real socialism, socialism is the result of a two axis system based on communism and -any other system. for both systems to compensate their flaws and create the moderate left, or central right for some...

>governments are essential
>I base this on literally nothing

>Other countries are degenerate and treat their populace like shit, allowing their citizens to suffer at the expense of corporations
>Therefore we need to stoop to their level instead of trying to bring the entire world into the modern age through globalism

kys

That's not what Conservatism is, dumb ass. Establishment Neoconservatism is what you're talking about.

Conservatism is about limited government and free markets, not big-government corporatism.

Just because some globalist kikes call themselves conservative doesn't mean they actually hold conservative beliefs.

It's like "Christians" who do absolutely nothing Christian.

It's axiomatic

If you're trapped on an abandoned island what happens? A government magically forms because it's efficient, it provides massive utility, and it's the natural state of being for any sufficiently intelligent species.

>t. Lord of the flies is totally real bro

Fair enough user you may be completely right in fact I'm sure of it, there are definitely a million shades of conservatism and some of them are more retarded than others

But all of you special shades of conservatism still voted for Trump instead of Hillary who, despite being evil, is a capable candidate with reasonable policies, so you should kill yourselves.

>If the government disappeared the stock market would immediately collapse, not enter a bull market. Can you explain this?
>The sudden evaporation of government will catch people by surprise, causing confusion and uncertainty, resulting in a sudden shake up of confidence
>Needing this explained
Are you retarded?

It is, our island is the Earth at this point. You don't understand anything about psychology.

Did your script run out, shill?

This isn't even close to an argument. You've gotta be in highschool. Good luck.

Heed these words OP, I've been here for 8 years. Just turned 30 two weeks ago. If someone would have told me then that I would still be visiting this site at 30 years old. I would have laughed at them.

trans his shun complete

>why do conservatives support corporate welfare in the form of large tax cuts
So cucked he thinks NOT taking something from someone is a gib.

>t. I took psych101 I know everything bro

You got beat, son, time to retire your gay socialist dream.

There is no benevolent government. The right gives dole money to corporations (which at least provide employment and do bring in the revenue government needs to operate and pays the gibs to social programs).

Leftists just want to keep getting votes by giving more and creating perpetual dependency on the system. Now they’ve made it socially acceptable to never work a day because everyone is a victim in some way, and therefore, it’s okay to contribute nothing and expect something for it.

Leftism and socialism are dead ends for society, they create the weak men who force us to eventually change shit up again and drive out the filth and commmies. We’re almost there again. Soon.

>This guy actually believes google and co want shitskins because they care about shitskins not because they will be easily bribed with welfare to vote against white interests or work jobs for pennies instead of paying whites a decent wage

kys

>corporate welfare in form of large tax cuts

>I am stealing less from you
>therefore I am giving you welfare and you are a welfare recipient

>I could take 100% of all you have
>so when I only take 50% I give you 50% in welfare

this is literally the insectile mind of leftists. Breivik is the only one who has done anything remotely effective to deal with them, in recent time at least. And nothing of any value was lost.

Star Trek has a post-scarcity economy. They can molecularly assemble food out of pure energy, which is functionally limitless and free for god sakes. Neither capitalism nor marxism apply. If you were to look at humanity as a whole in Star Trek, they're living in a libertarian universe outside of starfleet.

OP?

>he thinks it's magnanimous when government gives back some of the money it steals in the form of taxes

>corporate welfare
This is a word game

Stealing less Isn't "welfare".

It IS an argument, the argument of every intelligent person.

Dude are you really that stupid to think tax breaks are a form of welfare. Here is your logic:
>we are going to lower the amount of YOUR money we FORCE you to pay US! Thats welfare.

Fuck no. I support lower taxes on corporations because they can then employ more people. I support tax breaks for everyone, everywhere. The government doesn't need trillions of dollars. Trillions to do what? Waste more of my fucking money. No. Fuck no. Fuck the federal government, fuck taxes, and fuck you. You really somehow think someone keeping more money thats already theres is a fucking welfare check?

I understand theres systems in place that need to be upheld such as the courts and police. But we lost 7 trillion in the pentagon that cannot be accounted for. No new taxes. Lets lower the shit and reign in the deep state fuckers that think they can lose half our GDP in one year and continue to get away with it.

>Implying anyone in this thread except me, OP, will ever have a chance in Hell of working at a company like Google
>Implying Google doesn't pay new grads $150k+

lmfao the patheticness in this thread

Most of the corporations keep a bulk of their money off shores to evade taxes. Leaving it to the middle class to pick up the slack. On top of that, a lot of these government agency’s write themselves nice fat bonuses every year. They’ve been stealing from us and politicans have been skimming off the top as well. Lower taxes, cuts out bullshit, hire more people, strangles the thieves of their luxurious lifestyle. The IRS has been weaponized as well. The money gets rerouted to specific people and then the money is unaccounted for. Launches investigations into themselves, finds no wrong doing, lather, rinse, repeat.

So why don't you want to move towards this society? You conservatives constantly attack scientific progress to a point where it would almost be comical if it weren't pathetic

>Muh evolution is fake
>Muh climate change is fake
>Muh we don't need space exploration unless it funds southern states

You must Name the Jew.

>asks retarded questions
>derp I was retarded on purpose

You're leftist, that's for certain.

It matters absolutely zero how much or how little taxes corporations pay - if leftists win the country is overrun with Islam and Africans and is dead forever.

temporarily a bit higher or lower taxes than you dislike > permanent death of society due to niggers and Islam

>sweepingly declares that all conservatives on Sup Forums "attack scientific progress" and believes evolution is false

>convinced he can make money

This is literally leftists today. The only method in recent history which has worked with them is Breivik's approach.

eh climate change is real. climate is always changing. the earth goes through cooling and WARMING periods. liberals latch onto the idea of 'oh the fucking earth is dying so lets limit the babies we having and impose even more taxes on already poor or starving people' - it's fucking insane.

the earth is not dying. there's nothing catastrophic coming our way.

Oh, here's an idea for leftists:

If climate change is real, we should not find African countries that have very low CO2 emissions and the population to the West where they consume and release much more CO2.

Just a proposal, I am sure the leftists have already thought of that. For some reason immigration is more important to them than CO2 levels even if they keep saying otherwise, weird.

*If climate change is real, we should not find African countries that have very low CO2 emissions and transport the population to the West where they consume and release much more CO2.

Conservatives don't believe this. Conservatives are rare in modern day. Marxism has crept into all aspects of modern western culture. Modern Marxism also morphed into an oligarchy. All collective ideas do. We live in a world that is closer to Natsoc than anything else. This is one reason why I am not a huge fan of the natsoc people. Natsoc will turn into an oligarchy as well. We need to destroy The Fed Reserve and restore decentralization.

You seem to believe that because conservatives don't want the government to do something, they don't want it done at all.

>conservatives constantly attack scientific progress
No, they attack government funded science, because it is hugely wasteful and doesn't accomplish what the free market could given those resources. Privately funded scientific research is goal oriented, purposeful, more skeptical, faster, and more efficient than publicly funded research.

>most all conservatives understand and agree with evolution
>most all conservatives agree that climate change is real, but dispute that it can be anthropogenic with a very reasonable set of arguments and rational skepticism
>most conservatives actually want to find an economically viable way to explore space
>government stands in the way with regulatory barriers and stealing all the interest that would otherwise privately fund such expeditions
>spacecraft need to be launched from southern states regardless because it's closer to the equator

Whats wrong with the current system? Im on welfare and have never worked a day in my life. Im doing OK besides depression and the occational mania, but i dont think collectivism will solve that.

LOL

...I made well over $180k last year...?

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Yeah, the free market is definitely going to perform scientific research in topics where there is no profit to be made...

>most all conservatives understand and agree with evolution
>most all conservatives agree that climate change is real, but dispute that it can be anthropogenic with a very reasonable set of arguments and rational skepticism
>most conservatives actually want to find an economically viable way to explore space
>government stands in the way with regulatory barriers and stealing all the interest that would otherwise privately fund such expeditions
>spacecraft need to be launched from southern states regardless because it's closer to the equator

You're completely making shit up and talking about some ideal subset of conservatives. Most conservatives, in fact most Americans, do not believe in evolution, think climate change is fake

Stop projecting your views onto these conservative retards filling the US

>Yeah, the free market is definitely going to perform scientific research in topics where there is no profit to be made...
Yeah, there's no rich assholes like yourself who would invest in space exploration for exploration's sake, right? Really jogs my noggin

>You're completely making shit up and talking about some ideal subset of conservatives.
You've got a real twisted view of conservatives. Might be worth talking to some conservatives in real life.

Socialism might work but I think it's pretty clear we have to kill all the jews and blacks first. Would anyone seriously debate this point?

>Yeah, there's no rich assholes like yourself who would invest in space exploration for exploration's sake, right? Really jogs my noggin
Where are they? It's just Elon Musk pretty much. Nothing is stopping them you literal retard. And space exploration isn't the only area for research here. What about rare diseases that only affect tiny subsets of the population?

>You've got a real twisted view of conservatives. Might be worth talking to some conservatives in real life.
I grew up around them, they're all idiots

eh ... you call people idiots but still haven't given definition of conservatism

...how can anarchocapitalists support government handouts for large businesses if anarchocapitalists don't believe in government?

The government is attempting to do it which is taking all that potential market and wasting it all. If people didn't think the government was taking care of it they'd invest in private space companies more. Same way that charities were huge before the government made a giant welfare state to take their place and fail at it.

>they're all idiots
OK, so you're an ignoramus and there's no point continuing this conversation

>implying they dont hire pajeets for $30k instead of whites for $80k
>implying they don't abuse h1b1 visas

the absolute state of you niggers

>Implying anyone at Google except the secretaries makes less than $150k a year total compensation

God you Sup Forumsfags are so poor... They pay people on visas exactly the same as Americans, you wouldn't know because you don't work at one of these companies

Dude you are actually trying to argue that google doesn't abuse h1b1 visas. Are you prepared to say this? Please, I dare you.

And I dare you to say that all tech giants and silicon valley doesn't either. I just need you to say those magical words so I may end this thread by embarrassing the fuck out of you in my next reply.