Why you still support the state?

Why you still support the state?

The state is created just for control the people.

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I don't but I am happy to take a shit on Nazis, Communists, Democratic Socialists, and Theocratic Muslims any day of the week.

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Libertarianism is good after we have National Socialism. If you go full lolbertarian first and elect people like Flake and Paul the US is doomed to become Brazil.

WHO WILL BUILD THE ROADS

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FuCK OFF. YOU FUCKING SHILLS DONT GET IT! OKAY. YOU CANT CHANGE ANYONES MIND. JUST FUCK OFF! So sick of fucking slide threads, you're just making people hate Jews more.

elect people? wtf?

we are anarchists

Even more cancerous.

How is creating a bigger state going to make it smaller?

I understand that making sure that we have people who share the same values as us is important, but resorting to nazism is retarded. Your taking the same path that the commies took and you are going to end up with similar results.

Herman Hobbs on the other hand, suggested the physical removal of people who are incompatible from your society.

Ex.
> Islam is a problem
> Islam does not violate the NAP, but it is annoying, and dangerous.
>Physically remove said person from your society, and make em live else where there anti-libertarian views will be accepted.

More state less degeneracy.

>Herman Hobbs
>Hobbs

imo if the state exist it should be just to control the moral of peoples, nothing economic

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I feel like an idiot for remembering Hoppe as Hobbe.

Fuck my Ps and bs.

ROADS

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>mistaking p for b
Keif halek, habibi?

the real redpill of anarcho-capitalism is private, voluntary fascist dictatorships

Leftypol thread to divide Sup Forums

sage and don't bump.

This is an Ancap, Natsoc, and Conservative board. Fight the jews and the left.

>this is an Ancap board

kek

Yeah fuck borders. Let's invite a bunch of double digit IQ third worlders to live amongst us for true cultural enrichment.

minarchism > anarchism

Hello rebbit.

Im a Libertarian; get the fuck out of my way!

>memeflag
>divide and conquer tactic

sage

enjoy some allahwave too

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THE ROADS ANARCHISTS

WHO

Why invite 3rd worlders when you can have a robot do the work that they can do.

If your IQ is less than 100, pretty much any job you can do can be easily done by a robot.

There is no need for mass immigration in an ancap.

>no government
>don't initiate force
>ultimate freedom
>voluntary association
You don't know Africans, do you?
>no taxes
You can't tax nothing :^)
>no cops
>no regulations
Warlords don't count, I guess.
I wish I could sage your comment

He said libertarian, not specifically ancap.

Beta bitches need the state to care for them.

Why do you feel the need to spam?

>anything I disagree with is rebbit

Hello plebbit

Stop spamming your shitty threads then brainwashed Moly shill

LEAF

But which one has worked?
>inb4 Germany lost WW2 so NatSoc doesn't work

NatSoc Germany was thriving before the war and during the early years of the war. It would have continued to work had the allies not attacked all at once from one side, while the Soviet Union attacked from the other side. It literally took almost every major country in the world to take down Germany. Sage with your b8

Islam is a state. It violates the NAP constantly. Without brutality, nobody would follow it. It completely lacks the capacity to engage voluntarily with the world.

DELUSIONAL

I was just using it as an example, where I live there are a few here and there scattered.

>Stop spamming your shitty threads then brainwashed Moly shill

Then quit spamming NatSoc and Fashwave Threads then.

>"OMG you hate nazism, you must be a leftist larper pretending to hate my infaliable ideology"

KYS, it is possible to hate natsoc shit without being an antifa retard.

>had the allies not attacked
I too am angry about the Polish invasion of Germany.

>Islam is a state
>People exist who are this retarded

>"I-I-I\m not a divide & conquer shill I swear!!"

Methinks the ANTIFA shill doth protest too much.

>Why you still support the state?
I don't...beyond being a necessary evil for very minimal protection.

There's zero difference between AnCaps and AnComs. They just disagree on how they think anarchism would turn out as, but the nature of anarchism is such that you wouldn't be able to control what resulted from it.

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Just to remember the anarcho-capitalism is against all degeneracies.

The state is only a problem when it's self destructive and hates its own populace. This is caused when outsiders and the "intellectual" class are allowed to rule. Anarchy on any level is just as stupid and universal suffrage democracy because people in general are dumb as fuck. True freedom will only be accomplished when the right people are suppressed and people with agency are allowed to flourish. Plus fascism is actually attainable simply by using the existing systems against the people who created them.

Fascism is promoting and loving people worth promoting and loving.
Anarchism is promoting yourself because you overvalue your personal agency.

I don't understand how fascists and nazis can trust a government? Both ideologies rely on getting the right people/angels in power, human nature and 6000 years of history show us this is a bad idea long term.

Why do statists not consider human nature?

You live in a world where you're outnumbered by an outrageous margin by people who want to destroy/steal everything you have and stand for. Yet you claim to understand human nature.

>government is against human nature
>which is why governments and nation states have formed wherever there is civilization, over and over again for the past 10,000 years

Really makes me think.

This is a good edit for a shit maymay

"civilization"

We live in a fuck disorder

look the Europe or i mean The Islamic State of Europe

Because it's a cudgel to bring against those that would bring me harm, in essence, some people need to be controlled.

You didn't answer the question.
Yes 10,000 years and the entirety of written history shows us the fatal flaw of the state is human nature; greedy leaders, corrupt leaders, corruptible ones, violent ones, stupid ones, ones that deceive should I go on?

I ca still kill and send to jail fuck criminals, without need the state

private justice
private police
private security
private army

Democide, war, corruption, theft, extortion, kidnapping, human nature as a flaw of the state has allowed it to carry out immoral acts that an individual wouldnt dream of. How do you account for it as a fascist?

>we shouldn't have leaders because they are corruptible

>The state is created just for control the people.
good. the people should be controlled

> calling your masters leaders as if that redeems them or the system
Still havent answered the question.

>You didn't answer the question.
because it's a stupid question and you know it

If you accept the premise it doesn't invalidate the state, it invalidates collective action, which is what a state inherently is. Collective action being the answer you put forth to every flaw seen in anarchism

Why would enterprises allow their clients to come to harm?

>immoral acts that an individual wouldnt dream of
Except by your own definition government is comprised of "individuals".

You need to understand how the law without the state, work.


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How do private police arrest you if you're on your private property? It would violate the NAP and you could gun them down.

So you have no answer to human nature but to continue allowing elites to control millions no matter their flaws as long as you can "attempt" at getting "the right guy in charge"? Sorry i dont trust human nature enough to believe such a fantasy long term.

I cant believe you guys have no answer for this and try to apply it to us. Imagine if we used your answer? "Yeah man we just have to get philantrhopists as head of companies", Libertarians aren't that naive to posit such a fantasy. Why do you think we harp on about freedom, competition, incentives and incentive structures inherent in the state? This is disappointing, did Hegel, Schmitt & Evola ever come up with a response to flawed people having ultimate power? I guess notm

McState regulations cover that

If you violate the NAP, you no more have private property rights

The state in general is a problem when it exists. Sure it is disasters when it is actively tries to destroy its self and people as we see in europe right now.

But to start with the state has to take money from others to survive. Secondly having power of any kind attracts megalomaniacs who wish to expand there power through any means that they see fit. Thirdly, governments have been the only body to send people to war and start genocides.

Fascism takes the problems of government and amplifies it. You get the most brutal leaders running said states, they impose the strongest restrictions on personal information, the market, and the flow of information going in and out.

Advocating for Fascism is basically wanting to be enslaved by a literal warlord.

At the most they would shoot you if you violated the NAP on there employers behalf, at least they would remove you from said property.

Think of it like the security guards in Paradise Nevada.

The point of Fascism is to eliminate the criminal subhumans from your society so that later generations are the composed of the type of people who would thrive in a libertarian society.

The difference being when the state does it people like you justify it, individuals privately cannot justify murder, theft, extortion, rape, kidnapping etc only the state can do this. Hence why Bastiat wrote The Law, perverted from its original intent.

I'm a fascist, not a cuckservative, cunt. I don't support "elites" i want to hang them.

>ancap talking about fantasy
huh

>"Yeah man we just have to get philantrhopists as head of companies"
The difference being that every fascist leader has been exactly that

> if a thief has his foot pinning you down by the throat and you remove his foot you are violating his rights
See how silly that sounds?
> if I break a contract with clear dispute resolution terms I can just hide on my property
Clearly they cant.
If someone detains a murderer who will step in to their defense? No one.

>governments have been the only body to send people to war and start genocides.
this is so patently false i'm not even sure where to begin

What gives some random private police officer the authority to decide whether or not you violated the NAP without giving you a fair trial beforehand? The NAP gives no legway for people to be arrested on suspicion of a crime. It's essentially an extremely reductionist version of our current law system, invented by autistic brainlets to try and oversimplify something too complicated for their pathetic minds.

Not even taking into account the fact that a rich person could murder someone poorer than them without consequence so long as their police subscription was a higher tier.

Well start then. And if it is like one or two outliers then it changes from "all" to "most", but even then my point that government is responsible for war and genocide would still remain relevant.

A private military company in "ancapistan" could do whatever it wanted without justification or being subject to the law, so long as it was backed by force. In nature, "property rights" do not exist. Only force.

Fascist leaders pretend to be for the people thats how they gain power and it leads to control, enslavement and murder. So will you rely on voting in a fascist? If so what happens when he dies or if he lies and enslaves you? How do you account for human nature? Do you honeslty believe there are people you can get that can be trusted with a global empire military & a police state? Im sure german and italian citizens really appreciate their leaders destroying their countries for personal vendettas. So you have no answer? I am genuinely curious in the intellectual basis fascists have to account for evil people being attracted to ultimate power.

>a murderer
You cannot determine someone is a murderer in the majority of cases without a trial involving a prosecution and defense.
So Ancaps would give private police the ability to carry out "justice" on a whim, without any kind of trial.

You ignore history, capitalism showed us that defensive force isnt the only condition for resolving disputes and leaving peacefully. It showed that trade can lead to peace, incentives can lead to peace, ostracism, contract and of course defensive force. By saying might makes right you are attempting to turn back the wheel 200 years and ignore human progress in the department of resolving disputes and cooperation.

For every example in history of trade forging peace between peoples, there are ten more examples of people fighting one another for control of resources.

Cops do anything they want with or without justification now, and all you do is hope against all reason that they prosecute THEMSELVES. That's lunacy.

Nope. I imagine there'd be all kinds dispute resolving alternatives and services, all sorts of court like structures. If i hire a security guard and someone runs at me with a knife, a trial is not needed unless someone like the murderers family wish to try and argue the case. If a landlord signs a lease agreement and tries to demolish the house with tenants inside the contract will either include provisions for third parties to resolve the dispute and uphold the contract or they will have their own third parties that find it much easier to resolve disputes than just trying to kill everyone. Money talks and conflict is costly.

What if the child consents tho

Im honestly not sure, some ancaps say private courts are the solution, but I don't have any clue on how they would work, but I also have to say I haven't read how a private court would work.

But Facisim, puts elites at the top. But not only that it is the most agressive and brutal of the leaders in the countries party that make it way to the top, as they would in most situations, but now you give them the authority of other people's lives.

And frankly if you wish to create a fascist system, if you do not wish to be the ruler or have the guts to rule with an iron fist, someone will take your place, and likely kill you.

Pretty much everyone in ancapistan would be armed. So a PMC would be in a bad situation if they tried to attack an Ancap community. Unless they where to nuke it, then move in, but that would destroy more resources, and the whole point of conquest is to gain resources from your enemy.

Happens regularly. Generally, police aren't corrupt, because they aren't ancaps and have a sense of pride and honor, but when they are they are investigated by another police department or a federal agency and prosecuted.

Former NatSoc reporting. Anything juicy I miss?

>Be in Ancapistan
>Be part of 1%
>Unregulated capitalism means I eventually control all industry
>Entire population are now wage slaves
*Rubs shekels*

That's not true. Most human interactions over the course of history have been voluntary. It's just the violent ones are memorable while the mundane peaceful ones aren't.

>generally police aren't corrupt
???
They pull you over on the road for completely wicked reasons. You are literally robbed on threat of violence every time you're issued a ticket by the road-pirates that you pay.

We are debating with a few facsist.

After a few strawmans and shitposting we have just began to debate.

Holy shit, fascism isn't "all the worst aspects of the state", it's all the best aspects. The state exists protect the populace doing things individuals or small collectives can't. The only legitimate purpose of the state is to be a moral arbiter and fucking kill people. We need border's maintained and dysgenic trends challenged. Those are our problems as it stands right now. We need real power to accomplish these things. How the fuck does ancap answer for these things? How is ancap going to look out for the future? You retards want to revert to some mid-evil society but that's not how shit works anymore. Our problems are not based in personal freedom or taxation. Our problems are much MUCH bigger than that. People who can even comprehend ancap are being overrun and killed off, and you dumb centered fucks choose to ignore that.

pathetic

Yes which is why defensive force is necessary, however the existence of these examples is a first for history and you may have noticed that up until WW1 and post WW2 the sheer number of examples of people being able to resolve disputes and have reasons to live peacefully increased exponentially until the advent of the welfare & police state. The state hinders this progress of peace and im not sure you know this but it is fascist and marxist writers who positted that cooperation is not desirable but that conflict is actually desirable and have been the leading voices trying to fight the march towards a more peaceful society and world. Good job fascist intellectuals, they glorified war as a fundamental good of the world and thats just not the direction I want to fight for. They are the ones that said the march of the state is the march of god through the world, as someone with deeply religious and spiritual beliefs I find this an anathema to all great prophets west-east.

Question is, do you want to support our goal of progress towards a world with ever increasing ways of living in peace or do you want conflict for conflicts sake?

> lose full control of market share after 3-5 years (see Rockefeller)
> more competition arises, meaning more blows to your company
> tf the market heals itself

Yknow, when unregulated, the market is a lot like nature untampered. If harmed, itll heal itself on it's own

Sweet.

In reality, crime isn't someone running at you with a knife and them getting put down. Most crime like theft and assault is committed when people aren't watching, and is a case of word against word, which is why you cannot simply have McGuards dispensing lethal justice according to their private whims. Humans are highly falible. That's why every developed nation has a justice system, to impliment layers of checks and balances to obtain the highest degree of justice.

Start with the most basic but revealing example boyo, please read molymemes article "The Stateless Society and Examination of Alternatives" and go from there. There are a plethora of private alternatives and some are really quitr eye openning.