Arabs

What have Arabs contributed to civilization in the past thousand years? Seriously wondering if they are even above niggers at this point.

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transoxiana.org/11/kamoliddin-samanids.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Optics
fasebj.org/content/20/10/1581.full
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mathematics, algebra, astronomy.... all from the arab world

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> math meme
yeah nah, they were developed either by pre-Islamic Persia or Indus valley civics.
They haven't contributed a shit to world in past 600 years

>*dusts of old Persian Book Aryans left behind*
>LOOK GUY WE MATH NOW!!!

Islam and inbreeding fucked things up in long run.

>What have Arabs contributed to civilization in the past thousand years?
what the americans?
the arabs are of considerably greater stature than your country can hope to be.

And if someone does not contribute to civilization, let them be. What is it your business to go around asking how much someone has contributed to civilization, as if you went around collecting tax.

fucking merricans

>56%
>LOOK GUY WE WHITE NAO!!!!!!!!

They sold the most slaves.

Translating doesn't count.

Some of those places aren't Arab

Algebra was not developed in pre Islamic persia who barely had any math. Indus valley didn't have algebra either you retard.

Astronomy wasn't present in Pre Islamic Persia.

Name a single ancient Pre Islamic Persian book in Mathematics. There aren't any.

Fables by Persians, administrative books, some poetry, along with Zoroastrian books have been preserved. There isn't a single Math book or writing.

It wasn't just translation.

islam ruined them. they were on par with europeans in the early days of civilization. they had beasts of burden, the wheel, farming, trade etc.

then they got into islam and started fucking their sisters and cousins for 1000 years and that’s why they’re half retarded today.

>What have Arabs contributed to civilization in the past thousand years?
Once they converted to islam, they turned into backward sandniggers.

To fix my comment. There was astronomy in Pre Islamic Persia but not mathematical until Sassanid. But even then it was small compared to the later astronomic work later on.

>appealing to wheel, farming and husbandry, things that were already common by the time of Romans long before Islam

That's an idiotic comment. And the most scientific and engineering dynasties happened during Islamic times, not before. And albeit judging literature is hard in comparison, the islamic period had a wide variety and expansive poetic and philosophical tradition.

Inbreeding with cousins was always a thing and it's also true for Askhenazi Jews who have the most contributions in science.

fuck off muzzie, you're not going to convince anybody that islam isn't backward ape cult.

Medicine

You may not like the answer. But what they never tell you is that the dark ages were not applicable for the Arab World. They were the world's nexus of civilization and advanced many fields of science, including philosophy.

This thrive was based on their religion, islam has always propagated that science is a noble way of getting close to God.

Meanwhile, the Europeans were having a rift between science and religion that kept on growing till the rennaisance "enlightened" them. That is were they chose to discard religious dogma and follow scientific pursuits without a higher calling.

The rennaisance was never a thing in the Arab world, as islam and science were compatible and synergetic with each other.

I cut some corners to make this redpill compact, but essentially, Western history is far from unbiased. The Arabs, Russians, Chinese, Italians each had their own impetus. I personally am most attracted to the Arab history due to the Quran and the scientific verses it contained.

When our planet is defined as "Ostrich egg shaped" by claims of an unlettered desert man, it requires further inquiry. But that is only my investigative nature. By now, I have figured out some basic weavings of contemporary reality.

slave trade with the U.S.A.

Shit nignog, you can't have any astronomy without math you illiterate mongoloid.
Persians were very connected with Greeks throughout history, and hence would know much of Math as they did.
And Indus valley had everything needed to create algebra (and fairly sure did have).

I'm irreligious and not here to convince people about a religion. Just showing facts to retards who tend to be Americans for some reason.

Also "backward" is very similar to liberal accusations so it's funny that you have the confederate flag. The whole "it's the current year" argument is an appeal to novelty, which is what accusations of backward are based on.

Oswald Spengler talks about a similar thing in his work "Decline of the West". Herein, he states that the Faustian (Western) was shaped by its environment. Other cultures (like Magian) were shaped by their own. Muslim (or Magian as he calls it) culture was shaped as result of instrospection in the cave while philosophizing whereas Faustian was the result of experiencing the highlands of Europe or something similar. He does separate Apollian (Greco Rome) from Western.

His work is based on the idea that culture die over time and experience a stage where the civilization remains but the culture is not true to its original form. I think he would fine modern Western culture to fit his prediction that it would just become a civilization.

Dang you still cant let Egypt go dumb nigger.

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Their aesthetic style is pretty cool, like their architecture and decorative styles.

You can have astrology and some astronomy without Math. Looking at a star and describing some objects you see in the sky is astronomy. One can do so without mathematical approach. You're retarded.


>Persians were very connected with Greeks throughout history, and hence would know much of Math as they did.

That's not true. Acheamenids didn't have much if any math. Just because they bordered Greece doesn't mean they took interest in the same thing. Also, in Greece, it wasn't like all greek city states were leading or that interested in math.

It was until the Sassanian that more interest in math took rise. It was in the third century AD that Sassanian ruler apparently requested translations of Greek and Sanskrit texts into Pahlavi script but even that historical statement is up to debate as some think there weren't such translated texts: iranicaonline.org/articles/astrology-and-astronomy-in-iran-#pt2

>And Indus valley had everything needed to create algebra (and fairly sure did have).

"Fairly sure" coming from an imbecile isn't an argument. Indus Valley didn't have algebra, there is no evidence to suggest they did. The closest to Algebra was how Greeks did geometry.

Persians are not Arabs they are Aryans.

They contributed nothing. Only stole few things from Greeks. 0 contirbutions

nothing except how numerals look comes from Arab world

obviously its an american asking

The thread is not just about Arabs but Arab "world" as in countries ruled by Arabs (albeit that map is inaccurate as Somalia and Mauritania were never ruled by Arabs).

>being this delusional

Even contemporary Christian scholars (as in from the time of those Muslim scholars like Avicenna and Averroes) didn't accuse them of stealing philosophy or works. They build upon and did new things, like many others do.

Heck, your Christian theologian Aquinas arguments to prove God's existence is copied from Islamic philosophers like Avicenna and Averroes.

They cucked the shit out of you burgers by destroing your two gay penis towers.

But srsly the arab world was once way ahead of the western.

you need to go back mohammed, islam fucked up the magreb. And the wisedom capital of the world during the ''''''islam golden age''''' wasn't even in africa or asia, it was in europe in spain. You''ll always be second class ''''''humans''''''

Indus Valley had algebra. So called "arabic numerals" were taken from Hindu.

Any muslim science were just other civilizations allowed to do science on muslim conquered lands.
And then muslims took credit

brownskins can't fight for shit

The numbers you use dumbass

Even the best Arabic historian acknowledged all of the contributions to mathematics and science came from Persians:

As Ibn Khaldun suggests, it is a remarkable fact that with few exceptions, most Muslim scholars…in the intellectual sciences have been non-Arabs:

"Thus the founders of grammar were Sibawaih and after him, al-Farisi and Az-Zajjaj. All of them were of Persian descent…they invented rules of (Arabic) grammar…great jurists were Persians… only the Persians engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus the truth of the statement of the prophet becomes apparent, 'If learning were suspended in the highest parts of heaven the Persians would attain it"…The intellectual sciences were also the preserve of the Persians, left alone by the Arabs, who did not cultivate them…as was the case with all crafts…This situation continued in the cities as long as the Persians and Persian countries, Iraq, Khorasan and Transoxiana (modern Central Asia), retained their sedentary culture.

Spain should not even talk they were literally colonized for like 700 years by north africans.

> writing form is something higher regarded than discovering electricity
Moors, everytime.

Applicable warfare and sailing required Math you nut wit, and as Pole pointed out Arabs didn't developed further anything but gathered Caliphates knowledge and distributed all of its knowledge around.
That's not scientific discovery but it preservation, and writing forms aren't something as world shattering than Greeks understanding on buoyancy of objects.
Aquinas argumentation was based on Aristotelian view of existence of God, so even Muslims couldn't be original on that.

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>implying that spain isnt north africa now

>Indus Valley had algebra
That's false. There were Indian attempts at solving equations (this is true for Babylonian math which is thousands of years old). But algebra started in Muslim Iraq where words were used as substitute for unknown numerals, where reduction and balancing of equation is used.

>"Al-Khwarizmi's text can be seen to be distinct not only from the Babylonian tablets, but also from Diophantus' Arithmetica. It no longer concerns a series of problems to be resolved, but an exposition which starts with primitive terms in which the combinations must give all possible prototypes for equations, which henceforward explicitly constitute the true object of study. On the other hand, the idea of an equation for its own sake appears from the beginning and, one could say, in a generic manner, insofar as it does not simply emerge in the course of solving a problem, but is specifically called on to define an infinite class of problems."

This is from the wiki and is sourced.

>So called "arabic numerals" were taken from Hindu.
Plenty of countries in the Middle East use actual Hindu numbers and refer to them as such. The Arabic numerals were from the Maghreb and are shaped form Indian numerals. It was Europeans who called them Arabic numerals, whilst North Africans didn't.

>Any muslim science were just other civilizations allowed to do science on muslim conquered lands.

That doesn't make sense. Those civilizations disappeared when the new one ruled. Some influence was left but that's not the same thing as "old civilizations remained and was alive".

In case you didn't know since you can't seem to read your quote, Ibn Khaldun is also trying to do religious apologetic by trying to prove a Hadith about Persians.

Ibn Khaldun ignores Al Hazen, Al-Kindi, Al-Jahiz (likely part Black) were Arabs. Some Andalusian scholars were also Arab in origin along with Berbers.

>But algebra started in Muslim Iraq where words were used as substitute for unknown numeral
So Indus valley had the algebra before them, Arabs just used different substitution methods.
You're full of shit and fetishist to Caliphate

Listen, the facts are there: The vast majority of these scientists and mathematicians during Islamic Golden Age came from Eastern Iranians of Greater Khorasan. Sure there were a few Arab scholars, but in general, there were vastly more Persian scholars and most were in the Greater Khorasan. In that region of Central Asia, there was a more liberal, lax interpretation of Islam where Greek philosophical influences, Buddhist, and much more persisted. They drank wine, danced, and etc., and it wasn't until Al-Ghazali's bullshit that ended. Prior to Al-Ghazali's Orthodox bullshit, the Eastern Iranians of Greater Khorasan did not give a shit about adhering to hadiths or Koranic crap.

The majority of the scholars that came during the "Islamic Golden Age" were from Greater Khorasan area of Greater Iran, especially during periods such as the Samanid Empire.

Scholars such as Avicenna, Al-Khwarizmi, Al-Biruni, Khayyam, Al-Farabi, and etc. were all Iranians, but they were heavily influenced by Buddhist, Greek, and Zoroastrian thought. Islam was not really important to their overall worldview, and in fact, they would secretly drink wine and do much more considered haram discreetly.

The number of Persian scientists outranked the Arabic scientists:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Persian_scientists_and_scholars
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars

In the Samanid Empire, Buddhist-Zoroastrian hybrids were very popular:
transoxiana.org/11/kamoliddin-samanids.html

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if that black dude knocked you out, you would be having meth twitches right after!

Absolutely nothing, the introduction of islam has never spread or improved civilization - it has only conquered already developed regions only to (over the course of a few centuries) turn them into backwards muslim shitholes. The supposed 'Golden Age of Islam' was rooted on pre-existing Greek/Assyrian/Roman achievements which were simply 'rediscovered' or 'regurgitated' following the conquest of previously Christian regions by warmongering muslims.

>Applicable warfare and sailing
As stated in the iranica article, there was astronomy without math. That wasn't used to necessarily navigate. And you don't need most advanced math at the time to navigate, you're talking out of your ass.

>as Pole pointed out Arabs didn't developed further anything but gathered Caliphates knowledge and distributed all of its knowledge around.

The Pole is just as retarded as you are. Book of Optics furthered known claims and added more. It was very helpful as Al Hazen brought the concept of experimentation. In this a retard like you don't know: Experiments are the backbone of science.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Optics

"A Manuscript on Deciphering Cryptographic Messages." by Al Kindi doesn't introduce Crytography, rather it introduces concept of frequency analysis.

Again, you're an idiot. You seem commonality and jump to the conclusion because your synapses don't work.

>Aquinas argumentation was based on Aristotelian view of existence of God

It's not about who came with the concept necessarily but how it's argued. If you compare Avicenna's work and Aquinas on the subject, it's very similar.

>vast majority
That's not a fact. Let's play a game. Name 5 or even 10 that are supposedly from Khorasan. I'll name an equivalent who aren't.

It's more like half half.


>n that region of Central Asia, there was a more liberal, lax interpretation of Islam where Greek philosophical influences, Buddhist, and much more persisted.

This is false. Omar Khayyam who argued for more orthodoxy was Iranian, whilst the others from the other school of thought were living Westwards and some were Arabs.

Al Ghazili wasn't something new, he was representative of how people of his region were.

The Greek influences and Buddhist may have survived in Afghanistan, but that's not all of Khorasan. Sassanian revivalism got rid of most Greek influences in Iran.

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>hurr durr what is substitution

You're also ignoring push for reduction and balancing. You're an idiot. Read the quote.

Averroes, Abd el-Latif el-Baghdadi, AL-zahrawi, Ibn al-Nafis, Ibn Zuhr, Hunayn ibn Ishaq(Christian, but Arab), Ibn Abi Usaibia and others were Arabs.

>they would secretly drink wine and do much more considered haram discreetly.
Albeit this could be true for some in the region, especially rulers, this isn't necessarily true for specific people mentioned who were close to theologians in some aspects.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Persian_scientists_and_scholars
Your list repeats names:
>A person may appear on two lists, e.g. Abū Ja'far al-Khāzin.)

And even if you take the count, it's not a "Very vast majority" like you're claiming.

Show your flag, Farhad. Nothing to be ashamed of there.

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kek

nothing

>You seem commonality and jump to the conclusion because your synapses don't work.
> If you compare Avicenna's work and Aquinas on the subject, it's very similar.
top kek nignog

> Al Hazen brought the concept of experimentation
> not a single scientist ever brought idea of experimentation forward
you're one special kind of fetishist mongoloid.
Thou Al-Hazen can be given credit for the optical theorisation without doubt.

> you don't need most advanced math at the time to navigate
oh yes you do mongoloid, you pick up a wrong star of a pattern navigating towards to or mix up another stars into a wrong pattern and you've completely fucked your course of sail.

> ignoring push for reduction and balancing
> because Indus valley scientist never thought that could be done
sure thing nignog

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>never spread or improved civilization
Iberia before Cordoba was backwards even by Roman standards. After it was more developed, even if you claim the development was just "copying from Romans" (it wasn't), there was still considerable development.

Of course Spain after reconquista didn't sit back on their ass. Well, they did burn books of philosophy, history, poetry and math of the Muslims, albeit they kept the medicine one. It took some time but Spain was also the most developed again.

>top kek nignog
Not an argument. I'll take your response as concession.

>you're one special kind of fetishist mongoloid.
Also not an argument.

>Thou Al-Hazen can be given credit for the optical theorisation without doubt.
So you concede. Good, even a retard like you can get educated. There is hope.


>u pick up a wrong star of a pattern navigating towards to or mix up another stars into a wrong pattern and you've completely fucked your course of sail.
Early navigation based on astronomy was primitive in that it was based on one obvious star. And the mapping doesn't have to be done mathematically, albeit obviously it'd be pretty bad. You're assuming the ancients were great in this regard, they weren't.

Don't let the hate blind you. Even your previous Germans like Goethe and Nietzsche had respect for Muslim civilizations. You don't have to like Islam or Muslims to accept simple facts. Plenty despise Jews and Israel, yet no one can really deny the significance of Jewish contributions (which is far bigger in terms of per capita than anyone else).

Again, they did not. Just because something is obvious doesn't mean everyone did. Or else, everyone should have been Newtons when it came to his postulates about laws of motion.

>It's more like half half.
It's more like 25-30 / 65-70.

>Averroes
Averroes was not Arab. He was an Andalusian.

If you inflate the numbers by repeating names or mentioning purely/mostly religious scholars like your article did? Sure. Looking at those with some secular based aspect, it's close to 50 50.

Andalusian meant people who lived in Al Andalus. Averroes ethnicity is either Berber or Arab. Either way not Persian. Your claim was "all of the contributions to mathematics and science came from Persians". Now you're moving the goal post to "it's 65-75% not 100!" and you're include the mostly/fully religious scholars in the list. Fuck off with your retardation and dishonesty.

No, you are merely manipulating the rhetoric to suit your agenda, Arab. You are not as honest as you make yourself out to be:

1) Ibn Khaldun acknowledged how most of the Islamic Golden Age scholars were Persian. You dismiss this on account of it being a substantiation of a hadith? What?

2) There were more long-lasting contributions from the Persians. You know this, considering algebra is a Latination of Al-Khwarzimi. Moreover, look at Rhazes, Al-Firubi, Khayyam, , Al-Biruni, Avicenna. Besides Averroes, there was really no Arab as influential as these figures.

You're the one being dishonest. You called him Arab. I have no idea why Iranians are still following your shitty-ass religion. I hope we just drop the shit and kick your asses already.

> Not an argument. I'll take your response as concession
you blind fool, you were falling on your own accused fallacy, that was my point, you fetishist.

Al-Hazen and al-Nafis are the only two actual science providers that had some legit discoveries, while the rest were just commentary scholars (such as Averroes whom I do have respect for), when it comes to actual Arabic scientists.
Rest was on other societies (Greeks, Persians, Indus) whose credit Arabs claim solely because they were gathered together during Caliphates eras.

What did northern Europeans contribute to society before the Romans came around? Serious question. If Nordcucks can improve, so can the arabs if you look at it from a long-term perspective. snow niggers sat around for 10,000+ years while civilization was flourishing around the Mediterranean and middle east.

Nothing really, only folk poetry about Nordic religions and some ship building skills but that's about it.

To be clear, I was thinking of Arabs vs. Persians, so that's why I said 25-30 // 75-70. If we make it Arabs + others (like Berbers) vs. Persians, then yeah, it is 50/50.

So it's more like 25% (Arab), 25% (Other), 50% (Persian).

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Only one with an agenda here is you, which is why you can't even stay consistent with your bullshit. So which is it, are all of them Persians or only 65 to 75%?

Ibn Khaldun was justifying a Hadith about Persians, he was doing apologetic. His only arguments were mentioning a bunch of names. Using his own way of reasoning, one can provide Arab names of scholars at the time. And his sedentary argument is inconsistent as he applies it to Persians but ignores the fact that Arabs had sedentary communties/cities all over the peninsula. Heck, Yemeni cities are older than anything sedentary in Iran, except Elamites (who weren't Iranian).

>There were more long-lasting contributions from the Persians.
>algebra

Well many here would say that doesn't count. Anyway, let's count Algebra. I've mentioned A Manuscript on Deciphering Cryptographic Messages." by Al Kindi which talks about concept that is now know as frequency analysis. There's also Book of optics. Those have long influences.

>look at Rhazes, Al-Firubi, Khayyam, , Al-Biruni, Avicenna
Averroes, Abd el-Latif el-Baghdadi, AL-zahrawi, Ibn al-Nafis, Ibn Zuhr, Hunayn ibn Ishaq(Christian, but Arab), Ibn Abi Usaibia and others were Arabs. Again, you can say names, I can come back with influential ones as well.

You call Al-Farabi Persian. He could have been Turkic. You are hypocritical on top of dishonest.

I don't care about which religion you follow. It doesn't change that you in particular are retarded.

> you were falling on your own accused fallacy
There was no fallacy. Go google a bunch of fallacies or watch your favorite youtuber talking like an idiot about them. Even their poor understanding of what constitues as a fallacy doesn't apply here, neither does the accurate definition of fallacy. You're acting triggered over me calling your bullshit out. No need to act arrogant when, quite honestly, there's nothing for you to be arrogant about.

>Al-Hazen and al-Nafis are the only two actual science providers that had some legit discoveries
So you went from complete denial to accepting two. That's quite a lot of progress for someone with such a modicum of cognition. Great job there buddy. Keep it up and you may get to a defensible position.

Ibn Khaldun contributed a lot, especially in his explanation of rise and fall of dynasties, and can arguably be seen as father of sociology.

>Rest was on other societies (Greeks, Persians, Indus) whose credit Arabs claim solely because they were gathered together during Caliphates eras.

Arabs didn't rule Greece or India, you're like those retards who think Africa is a country.

You're not making any sense. First you said "all were Persians". This is incompatible with the statement "75 were Persians". 100%=/= 75%.

You have no credibility when it comes to gauging quantity because you can't differ for shit.

Now you're saying it's 50 50 but arabs are only 25%. Again, you're dishonest. You're changing your argument but the one thing that remains is that you want to reduce the number of Arabs in the list.

You dismissed the lists I shared because of a few repetitious names. Sure, there is one or two few repetitions, but if you use basic inductive skills, then you can tell there were far more scientists in Greater Khorasan. Your mental gymnastics can't ignore this. The Persianate world was far more intellectual. Even the best Arabic linguists were Persians like Sibawayh as Ibn Khaldun pointed out. As Bernard Lewis says:

"Iran was indeed Islamized, but it was not Arabized. Persians remained Persians. And after an interval of silence, Iran reemerged as a separate, different and distinctive element within Islam, eventually adding a new element even to Islam itself. Culturally, politically, and most remarkable of all even religiously, the Iranian contribution to this new Islamic civilization is of immense importance. The work of Iranians can be seen in every field of cultural endeavor, including Arabic poetry, to which poets of Iranian origin composing their poems in Arabic made a very significant contribution. In a sense, Iranian Islam is a second advent of Islam itself, a new Islam sometimes referred to as Islam-i Ajam. It was this Persian Islam, rather than the original Arab Islam, that was brought to new areas and new peoples: to the Turks, first in Central Asia and then in the Middle East in the country which came to be called Turkey, and of course to India. The Ottoman Turks brought a form of Iranian civilization to the walls of Vienna."[1]

Also, I forgot to mention Nasir al-Din al-Tusi. He was the first one to posit Lamarckian evolution.

You're the dishonest Arab who is trying to manipulate history. Ibn Khaldun wasn't even a Muslim, and it's doubtful he was simply doing "apologetic work" for the hadiths. Just look at the list I gave and stop being full of yourself. There waaay more Persian scientists than Arabic ones.

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Egyptians were Greek society before Muslims conquered the area and Indus valley area is within Pakistan....
At least do your history search properly ffs.

I never claimed they didn't contribute absolutely anything, but contested your fetishist view that Arabs were master minds who created Algebra and scientific experimentation that you've been spouting out.

fasebj.org/content/20/10/1581.full


READ THIS.

we wuz aryans and shieeeett

we wuz arabs and shieeeet
we wuz arabic grammar and shieeeeet

never fails me to see an Iranian ape claim shit, besides that an Arab was the first to put grammar in his langauge, the "muh parsi made yur gramar" crap is cringe, no one besides a "persian" will copy paste that shit, most intellectuals were indeed Arabs, Persians did help though.

The insecurity that Iranians spew to be part of the Arab history us just pathetic, but not surprising.

>most intellectuals were indeed Arabs, Persians did help though.
They fucking weren't, you Arab shitskin.

Just compare these lists:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Persian_scientists_and_scholars

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars

There were way more Persian scientists relative to Arabs. It's indisputable.

>The insecurity that Iranians
It's not insecurity when it's true, you fucking lizard-eater.

>of a few repetitious names
There were numerous. More than one mistake is enough. And your list includes people who were religious scholars only or mostly.


>there were far more scientists in Greater Khorasan
There weren't. You even conceded that it's not 100% but 50%.

>Even the best Arabic linguists were Persians like Sibawayh
One of the best, sure. This is one example. You're ignoring many examples of Arab scholars.

>"Iran was indeed Islamized, but it was not Arabized. Persians remained Persians. And after an interval of silence, Iran reemerged as a separate, different and distinctive element within Islam, eventually adding a new element even to Islam itself. Culturally, politically, and most remarkable of all even religiously, the Iranian contribution to this new Islamic civilization is of immense importance. The work of Iranians can be seen in every field of cultural endeavor, including Arabic poetry, to which poets of Iranian origin composing their poems in Arabic made a very significant contribution. In a sense, Iranian Islam is a second advent of Islam itself, a new Islam sometimes referred to as Islam-i Ajam. It was this Persian Islam, rather than the original Arab Islam, that was brought to new areas and new peoples: to the Turks, first in Central Asia and then in the Middle East in the country which came to be called Turkey, and of course to India. The Ottoman Turks brought a form of Iranian civilization to the walls of Vienna."[1]

Nothing there argues your point. He's saying that Iranian contribution is of immense importance, he's not saying it's greater than that of Arabs. He isn't making a relative/comparative claim, except about Iranian culture that retained some uniqueness.

>Ibn Khaldun wasn't even a Muslim
There is no reason to think he was not. You're desperate for an argument now.

>the list I gave
It's inflated with more religious scholars in the Iranian side and it admits to repeating names.

No they weren't you waddling monkey, "few" describes your brain cells, there were a lot, stop being autistic you Iranian mongrel.

Classic Russian shills shitting on kebabs

andalusian arab you fucking idiot, andalusian isn't an ethnic group, alkindi was andalusian too.

Egyptian elites were Hellenized. The local population? Not really.

>Indus valley area is within Pakistan..
It's India, dumbass. The region is referred to as India. The country is modern day Pakistan but back then and throught the times it was known as India.

>I never claimed they didn't contribute absolutely anything,
Yes you did. See

>scientific experimentation that you've been spouting out.
Actually they (not just Arabs but also Muslim Persians) can be attributed to that.

>During the Middle Ages issues of what is now termed science began to be addressed. There was greater emphasis on combining theory with practice in the Islamic world than there had been in Classical times, and it was common for those studying the sciences to be artisans as well, something that had been "considered an aberration in the ancient world." Islamic experts in the sciences were often expert instrument makers who enhanced their powers of observation and calculation with them.[24] Muslim scientists used experiment and quantification to distinguish between competing scientific theories, set within a generically empirical orientation, as can be seen in the works of Jābir ibn Hayyān (721–815)[25] and Alkindus (801–873)[26] as early examples. Several scientific methods thus emerged from the medieval Muslim world by the early 11th century, all of which emphasized experimentation as well as quantification to varying degrees.

Ibn Haytham is first mentioned and he was Arab.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method#Emergence_of_inductive_experimental_method

As if you can you midgets, get called out like every smelly hairy Iranian who steals history, the leaf sure as hell kicked you back to your place, lol leave it we don't give a shit.

You said most intellectuals were Arab. I'm honestly not going down 50/50. Al-Saghani, Al-Khwarizmi, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Avicenna, Al-Biruni, and so much more. Hell! All of Islam's earliest exegetes (Bukhari, Muslim Ibn el Hajjaj, Tabari, the list goes on and on) were either Persian or from the Iranian plateau. In other words, Islam as we know it owes its existence to Iranians, sadly.

>islam has always propagated that science is a noble way of getting close to God.
Yeah, you can research ways to slaughter more Kufar in less time.

Shut up, shitskin Arab. Go neck yourself. Read my post here: Your entire shitty ass tradition was largely influenced by Persians. Praying 5 times a day came from Zoroastrianism for example.

You're lying Iranian who fakes history and fails at his claims, as always a pathetic failure.

>ibn khaldun was not even a msulim
>mfw reading the most retarded Iranian history faking out there

Quiet you . The adults are talking .

Let me repost this:

"You said most intellectuals were Arab. I'm honestly not going down 50/50. Al-Saghani, Al-Khwarizmi, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Avicenna, Al-Biruni, and so much more. Hell! All of Islam's earliest exegetes (Bukhari, Muslim Ibn el Hajjaj, Tabari, the list goes on and on) were either Persian or from the Iranian plateau. In other words, Islam as we know it owes its existence to Iranians, sadly."

>itt-t-t-t's indisputable!

Meanwhile the article about Persian scientist and scholars literally admits that names are repeated and that there some which are "islamc scholars" only are mentioned.

In fact CTRL+ F with the Persian article shows 25 match, all of them are just that "Islamic scholar". Meanwhile the Arab article has 13 results for Islamic scholar and some of them are not just islamic scholars.

The Persian article is bloated, and you're a retard.

He got absolutely triggered when I called out his bullshit. Now he's accusing others of the same. The "Ibn Khaldun wasn't muslim" was the biggest lie in this thread. He had to resort to that bullshit claim because I called out the quote for being apologetic to a Hadith.

you camel fucking dark Iranian nigger, half those on your list are turkic origin, it is an insecurity when you fake history you sister fucker.

It's sad that Egypt was better 3000 years ago than now.

I read some of his stuff, and he was highly critical of Islam. Perhaps he was more of a liberalized Muslim. Regardless, you Arab shitskins need to go blow yourselves up now.

Also, I am resposting this again:

"You said most intellectuals were Arab. I'm honestly not going down 50/50. Al-Saghani, Al-Khwarizmi, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, Avicenna, Al-Biruni, and so much more. Hell! All of Islam's earliest exegetes (Bukhari, Muslim Ibn el Hajjaj, Tabari, the list goes on and on) were either Persian or from the Iranian plateau. In other words, Islam as we know it owes its existence to Iranians, sadly."

Anyways, I (and most other Iranians) don't want anything to do with your religion. In fact, I want to burn Mecca to ground, kill all of your women and children, and make sure not a single Muslim survives. I want revenge for the blood mills of Gorgon. Eat shit, Bedouin savages.

>dark Iranian nigger
I'm not dark, and Iranian has way more greenery than your shit land. At least we have a culture beyond Islam. Go blow yourself up.

Advanced Goatfucking techniques.

Why do you lie?

The idea the dark ages persecuted scientists is a myth. There were many researchers and philosophers and many religious or members of the church. They were just not called scientists because he concept did not exist yet. They were all called philosopher.

Galaleo was punished because he was a douche who called others around him stupid if they disagreed with him.

It was a monk in the dark ages who discovered the theory of genetics.

It was a dark ages philosopher who laid down the ground work for modern philosophy and is considered the father of modern philosophy.

It was a dark age philosopher who established plants needed sunlight to grow and flies did not sprout randomly from rotting meat.

Modern historians want to change the name of the dark ages because the term was coined by a reneissance historian who thought the time was shit.

In all honesty, they carried the torch of science during the medieval times in Europe, then all out of sudden they went backwards.

This.

And the elites were the educated unlike the commoners.
Well no shit, before formation of Pakistan, INdus region (that's within Pakistan) has always been referred as Indian civilisation, as it has been part or heavily influenced by Ganges region.

> in past 600 years
can you fucking read at all, you closeted burger?

Experimentation can be done without scientific etiquette regards to implementation of a hypothesis, you nut wit.
That's how world discovered architecture and sailing in first place