Would Communism Embracing/Promoting Religion Be More Successful?

Communism, it seems, tends to really try to squash the influence of religion in the daily lives of citizens, but what if it instead embraced, and even promoted, a state religion? Would communism be more viable and/or successful if the citizenry were not bound together only by state, but also a common faith?

I'm not asking about which religion would work best, or if communism is or isn't shit anyway (it is totally shit), but what I'm asking is if the astute political minds here at Sup Forums think communism would be anymore powerful a force if it strongly embraced and promoted a single religion per state/nation.

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communists aren't people, you should be executed

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that doesn't make sense. you're supposed to worship the party and the great leader. no place for individualism or religion in a depraved regime

Communism is opposed to religion because under the dictatorship of the proletariat, the state is your god

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Communism is inherently antireligious and Christianity is anti communist

I made the political compass with god and he is libertarian socialist, not communist

Yeah but if the state controls religious activity (like it would any other industry/sector), then why couldn't they bend the interpretation of the religion to their own ends? Wouldn't tying state power to a religion, and slowly warping the religion to benefit the needs of the regime be, in the long run, a better tactic than trying to create a cult of personality around a single human individual? Wouldn't people be more inclined to fall in line with such a system? Or would it weaken the central authority that most communist regimes rely on so much that it wouldn't work at all?

What you're suggesting is not much different than a theocracy essentially.

Some places in pakistan and arabia (like yemen) tried islamic gommunism
It didnt work out too well

Exactly. I was thinking that systems similar to communism have arisen in the past, but serving a religious authority rather than a state authority.

>he wants a repeat of the Munster rebellion
The Church is expressly anti-communist fuck off

They've already tried that with liberation theory in South American countries .

Yeah but it doesn't have to be Christianity as the state religion. It could be Buddhism, Islam, or any other of the countless religious traditions that exist on our planet.

No. Communism insists on faith in the state/community. It seeks to assert its own idols and idea of divinity. Marxists don't formally recognize this but all totalitarian ideologies are parasites on a religious substructure that is innate in humans. Inserting an actual religion into the mix actually discredits (indirectly at the very least) the ideals in communism.

North Korea is arguably the most religious state in the world. They've attempted to create a heaven on Earth, but like every other society that has tried that, it looks more like an absolute hell.

Because then you couldn't go taking muslims into your country and say that letting them take over is a good thing

no. Christ's way doesn't eliminate the state.
It's a gambit that turns everyone into beggars.

It seems that with all the major religions, there must be one or two that could easily be twisted into being a way of exalting the state, no?

I just think that if the citizens had more of a reason to be faithful to the state (deeply held spiritual convictions tend to be hard to break), then a communist society could be more successful?

It depends, communism is a religion. All religions are a form of a control matrix. I think communism can be good if used correctly but it never can because it was designed as a form of Jewish slavery. It will happen in the future when resources are infinite but people aren't ready for it it will be abused every time to become a form of slavery until we are. Learn the one true religion they practice while giving you shit and teach others and it will occur naturally.
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A socialist state with a state religion would probably be a degenerate workers' state where aside from the party higher ups the clergy would also become the priviledged class.
Even though many socialist regimes turned against religion itself in order to increase their influence on the people, in theory religion doesn't need to be prosecuted by the proletariat. The main concern of socialists is the church, because it is essentially an organisation that is conservative in nature, follows an hierarchical order that is contrary to that of socialism and can turn the people against the revolution or endager it.
Lenin himself, like many communists, was supportive of the messages of early christianity, but he believed that the religion had been totally distorted to promote the new values and ethics of the capitalist society. He argued that even though the party should be atheist in nature, the individual's right in faith should be guaranteed. Read The State and Revolution for more details.

In communism there can be no state religion, as there is no state to begin with.

money makes it impossible. It is not something that belongs to God.

Religion is almost the leverage of a people. Christianity a sword to defend against the enslavery of the soul BY the state- which is supposed as an entity that must exist and must be evil by design.

>Christianity a sword to defend against the enslavery of the soul
Actually Christianity is literally the enslavery of the soul to Rome

Communism was invented as a war against Rome for who owns the slaves the kikes or the Roman Empire

now they are just partners but I can show you how to free yourself if you want, knowledge is the only power in this world

No, because virtually every religion in existence exalts the spiritual over the material.

That's sort of the point. "His Kingdom is not of this world."

Only if you hate freedom.

The state will decide what freedom is.

Communism is just secular moralism.

S H A D I L A Y

The original religion was science literally, then the corrupt Amun priesthood invented monotheism and gave people superstitious bullshit to control, and enslave them. The Romans were like hey this shit is great, let' do it also then they conquered the world and literally all of us are slaves to Rome. They literally wrote papal bull claiming ownership over your soul and it has never been challenged except by communism indirectly. You have no idea how deep this shit goes and this is only the beginning if I told you everything your head would explode

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They have a trust is your name when you are born it is created, it is a corporation they use as collateral, it is a trust that earns multi millions of dollars over the course of your life basically a corporation, you are property owned by the Catholic Church. Watch this video shit is lolz
youtube.com/watch?v=79PdcRi-G14

They try to hold you legally responsible to this trust but you don't have to be it is voluntary, you can refuse it I show you how the do it on my channel

Yeah but why the fuck does it matter that some assholes in Rome a long time ago claimed ownership over my soul. Sounds like a big nothingburger to me.

Don't tread on my soul. Come and take it.

Any political movement that's supported by more than just the ideology does better.

Because it has never been challenged, they have legal right. When you are born the birth certificate they give is in all caps, it is not you, it is the name of the corporation. The entire legal system is built around it, it is very complex to explain watch this video
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Okay fine but I don't give a shit lol. Legal right to what? If someone thinks they have a legal right to something that is mine they can try to come and take it and I'll shoot them dead.

lol, kikes are getting desperate

sage

this is like asking if christianity would be more successful if it promoted islam. communism and christianity (among others) are competitors in the same arena.

>what is mine
lolz nothing is yours you pay taxes on things you "own", because they own it and can take it back any time

this amigo get's it, who owns the slaves?

They can try to take it back

The issue with people like you is your absolute nihilism. Oh and your delusions.

>the issue with people like you
literally huh? lol, nigger I am just telling you how things work, you can feel however you want it

from yesterday look closely

*about it
>They can try to take it back
big talk, they will whenever they want and there isn't shit you can do about it, but you can minimize it and that is what I am trying to show you how to do but hey you see,to think you have it all figured out and think you are gonna force anything against the "state" lol, enjoy your delusions friendo w/e gives you those good feelz

>They can try to take it back
kek
with a police force
you'll get stopped for a traffic ticket.
you'll comply.
your car will be stolen. kek.

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kek

excellent source my nigger tx

It's short, sweet, and to the point.

I love this nigger up here says "let em come and take it" lol stop paying property taxes on that property you "own" and watch em come and do it and shoot you fucking dead if fuck with them

I'm on pace for some goons to put a warrant on me - they can throw me in a cage or kill me if they want. I'm not judged by God for whatever they do.

Communism is a cult-like illness that destroys everything and everyone it infects. The only way to fight against it is via removing those who are infected from society.

what is it for if I might ask? Depending on the "crime" you can beat it, if it is financial in nature anyway. Assault, burglary etc diff situation obviously

That's the publisher retard. Not the source.

I shouldn't even respond to this because it is so stupid beyond any human idiocy I thought was possible but I will just to say stfu massively retarded nigger faggot

>Eastern Europe has been capitalist for decades
>Eastern Europe is poor

Your religion is your ideology. You say you are working to create a paradise, but your paradise is full of horrors.

I wasn't wearing a seatbelt - I'm basically a murderer.
I'm not paying a dime and I'm not going to court. They can drag me there if they'd like - maybe them violently kidnapping a peaceful individual for something as minor and victimless as that might possibly make them think about what they spend their life doing. Not holding my breath though.

What you are describing is the Papal states and it's much harder to pull off.

More or less this, religion goes against the whole concept.

go to court and do what bro did in video I posted, they will take the costs out of your trust want me to give you info how to do it?

What does the "wealth" mean in this graph? I've never really understoop it well.

start here it isn't that complex
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OP, Your question is retarded.

In communism there is no God. In communism the state is God.

Nah, extremist ideologies can't tolerate the competition that church provides.
They are pseudo-religions on their own.
Even though Marxism in it's roots is highly intellectual, mainstream Marxism is not much different from Nazism in it's plebeian populist rhetoric.

>implying I put a dime into banks
Cash and bitcoin. I'm not sweating a thing.
I'm not going to court willingly though - I don't comply with thugs on principle.

A Simple Court Procedure that Works
Establish Standing and getting your Freedom in Court

Take note that this procedure accurately reflects methods of the researchers. It is very clear that this method is used in the realm of LORD God aka Ba’al, Lucifer as all courts are based upon Ba’al worship and magick. It is my contention and belief that we were created free and God gave us all dominion over all the earth, where dominion means we all rule, not the few as it is with the courts.

Establishing the fact that we are all one with God in this creation and no one has any provable authority that they have authority over anyone else given to them by God our creator is the basis of all our freedom. The King James Bible Genesis 1:26-28 is the foundation of all justice and law in that we are all created equal and share equally in rule. We are merely tricked out of our dominion.

So the method bellow is not the way I would go, but it is a way that one may consider as it makes sense to a point. It is also important to understand why the Judges leave when they do and what they are trying to do, which is to trick you into giving up your dominion as a man created as male or female by God. There are no laws, it is simply about knowing who you are.

Your Honor I am a Living Being. The Flesh lives and the blood flows.

I ask humbly for Remedy.

Judge Leaves because he does not want to give remedy, but stay in honor.

Judge comes back establishes the court again and goes on like nothing has happened. The court transforms in to a maritime court, a higher court of jurisdiction. You must re-establish your standing once again:

Your honor I am a living being. The flesh lives and the blood flows. Your honor I humbly ask for cure and maintenance.

Because you are in an Admiralty Maritime Jurisdiction court now you ask for cure and maintenance.

The Judge may be totally freaked out at this point and leave again if you are in a Federal Court. If comes back again, he comes back as a priest, so you are in a Temple now. When the judge comes back on the third time he is a priest under Cannon Law. Thus you say the following:

Your honor I wish to establish that I am a living being. The Flesh lives and the blood flows and we are sovereign and nothing stands between myself and the divine.

If you do not do this then you have no standing in court and are treated as cargo going to a warehouse, thus Chattel Property with no rights.

Listen to this phone conversation, it explains the basis of why you do this procedure and gives an in depth background on the Court and what is really happening and why.

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That's moronic.

it's the truth the court is ecclesiastical a church confession look into it or don't bro up to you

I just copy and pasted it but there are numerous methods to expose the fraud that is "the court of the state"

The key is simply know who you are, stay in honour and stand your ground peacefully. I was in "court" because I parked mine or my wife's conveyance on my Sovereign land (i.e.) lawn. No ticket, straight to a court summons issued on a fictitious entity. On and for the record this file was filled with goodies and they waited until the entire case docket was done before they called a name that sounded familiar as in an account that I am administer for. Unfortunately for the court, there were over 20 people there in support of me and most of them were Sovereigns as well...Included in the room were 3 other Peace Officers from WFS and myself, a sworn to the people Peace Officer and duly witnessed and Notarized as such....Hope this is helpful...Case dismissed with cause and prejudice, note the judge bowing before he abandoned the court. This video was recorded in Common Law jurisdiction and authorized by myself as such. Copyright September 1st, 2010 Keith of the Thompson Clan, All rights reserved. youtube.com/watch?v=E3uCaTQO-54 (Note: if this video gets removed please do a search for "judge bows" in YouTube and also let us know by email [action @ loveforlife.com.au] so we can put it back up. Its already been taken down a few times. Here is one example: youtube.com/watch?v=8EzJsUExEDE - Thank You - Arthur & Fiona Cristian - Love For Life - 1st October 2010)

Jesus.
They just do whatever they want - neither cops nor courts are accountable to anyone but themselves.
You keep meme'ing though bruh.

memes are where the the magic comes from bro

>communists
>state religion
10/10 bait

We got the juice now bro, we have the magic 1.618

There is a game being played against humanity for the simple goal of having the many serve the few. This goal is accomplished not with force, but by tricking humanity into a submissive role. The heart of the game is what is known as the Law. It is Common Law knowledge that humanity stands above government and government serves man. But by way of trickery, humanity is persuaded to submit their authority and serve beneath government through contracts.

Under Common Law so long as a human being does no harm to another's property, which includes their body, then one remains a free sovereign individual. All other laws are known as statutory laws and by definition they require an agreement of both parties. In other words, if you don't agree to a statute law, then you are not obligated by it. We are tricked into agreement with tactics seen in the video below.

In the video our hero was given a name, or a legal entity, at birth; KEITH THOMPSON. And this name is legally owned by the Crown of England and subject to Admiralty/Maritime Law. Our hero is not KEITH THOMPSON, he is not a name or a legal entity, he is a living soul incarnated in human form. But if a Judge can get our hero to contract, or to agree that he is KEITH THOMPSON, then he submits to the authority of the Crown and agrees to the statute laws. Game, Set, Match.

It happens every day. This is all carefully written into the letter of the Law and therefore is considered fair play. Didn't you read all the rules? What the tyrants call fair play, I call a deceitful trap, but the reality is that you can beat the game. It is no different than a bully in the school yard yelling at you to "Come Here".

You have no obligation to obey the bully, but if you do submit and obey, then through your actions you are agreeing to be the subordinate.

The same applies with government, if you agree that you are the NAME then you agree to be the subordinate. And if you obey an order, then through your actions you agree to be the subordinate. (pic 1) In the video you will see the Judge playing these two strategies against our hero.

He attempts to get our hero to identify himself as the legal entity KEITH THOMPSON, and he attempts to intimidate him into submission by barking orders and calling on the (pic 2) court-room officers to forcibly remove him.

Our hero knows who he is, he knows he is the only true authority and because he knows this, he acts the part; honorable and peaceful, he does not identify himself as the legal entity, he is not intimidated by the bully tactics, and as you will see in the video, (pic 3) the Judge ends up bowing to him as the sovereign just before fleeing the court-room.

Judges bow, it is a ritual they perform at the start and end of the day, but this was not the end of his day. He bowed to our hero just before abandoning the court-room, to give way to his authority. (pic 4) Our hero then lawfully takes command of the court and dismisses the charges before leaving peacefully and of his own free will.

It's a simple game being played against us and we have been conditioned to think that we need permission, we have been conditioned to be intimidated by uniformed bullies, and we have been conditioned to believe that we are bound by every ridiculous law written.

The solution: know who you are, know that you are free, do no harm, and submit to no one. Personal freedom is your birth right and the truth shall set you free. Knowledge is the key.

To gain more knowledge I recommend the following website: Creditors In Commerce.com It is full of free information and links to most of the other info you can find on the web.

If just a small percentage of us stand up to tyranny and act peacefully and honorable then the game will soon.

hey father whatchya doin?

If you want anons to treat you as a Schizo like Frank, you better stop forcing your shit like a shill. Thats what a shill does. Spams his message.

You should follow your own advice,
>Your work is not to drag the world kicking and screaming into a new awareness.

And this shit right here:
>start here it isn't that complex
>go to court and do what bro
>I shouldn't even respond to this because it is so stupid beyond any human idiocy I thought was possible but I will just to say stfu massively retarded nigger faggot

Just tells us anons you aren't one of us, but one more nutjob,shill,redditor,goon that is infecting this board.

My advice, learn more from the place you are posting on and the anons that make it so.
>lurk moar faggot.

You have legit insight on whats happening today, on whats been happening forever it seems. If you were to present topics in full, promoting discussion "eyes to see and ears to hear " will flock to you. But if you keep doing shit like this
> I show you how the do it on my channel
>It to hard to explain
>Unironic Pepe posting
>"Muh I'am Awoken Bruh " , just listen to me, theres no time to explain shit.

You are entertaining your Ego. All this shit is Hurting you. If you can't abide by Board Culture, guess who is the nigger.

You are just revealing your true power level to us. And if you can't comprehend why if telling you all this, then that Power level aint that high after all.

All this shit is Hurting you.YOU are shutting down our eyes and ears. If you can't abide by this Board Culture then Fuck off somewhere else, cause rejection to you is only going to get worse.

pic unrelated, fuck commies.

tldr didn't read don't care, you can ignorant all you want, I have important work to do, and others do also you can shit post all you want

see or don't my job is to show you the path not walk it for you

common law = open borders = i am the living breathing spic, your laws cannot deport me

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kys

I worked for YEARS discovering the end of the rabbit hole and am giving to you ingrate NEET faggots like you here free of charge, telling you secrets they kill people for exposing what you have to have say about anything means jack shit because you know jack shit and are just as dangerous as them to people like me because you are imbecile with the awareness of an insect dangerous to yourself and everyone around you
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>I worked for YEARS discovering the end of the rabbit hole and am giving to you ingrate NEET faggots like you here free of charge, telling you secrets they kill people for exposing what you have to have say about anything means jack shit because you know jack shit and are just as dangerous as them to people like me because you are imbecile with the awareness of an insect dangerous to yourself and everyone around you

And you keep doing it. You are just shitting on yourself.

And you are starting to stink.

>REEEEEEEEEEE ME ME ME LISTEN TO ME REEEEEE

Come, come to our playground, just pop your head up to i can get to impale ya
Kike

hahaha Schizo frank is back.

>crabs in a pot
You are an enemy to the revolution and will face justice on the DOTR, sorry judgement has been passed quechua nigger make a kintu and pray there will be no appeal

How would they get jews to finance and lead it if it was pro-christianity?

Fuck off Schizo redditor. You aint fooling anyone.
Go LARP as a prophet to your normie site.

>saging a thread about political ideology

I thought this was a "politics" board

Dumbass

don't sweet talk me buddy boy, I told you no appeals

Communism is inherently satanic so it cannot embrace what is holy.

This

I am not your buddy, user. Stop hurting yourself.

>Should we lie to the proles for their own good?
No. KYS capitalist shill. God is a lie and so is private property.

no

Communism has never been and never will be successful.

t. American """Education"""

don't make us set an example out of you with piano wire, the sentence was lenient since me and your mom go back such a long way of you know what I mean

You can't mix spiritualism (religion) with materialism (communism).
DUH!