Macross Delta (マクロスΔ)

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Can you believe this kid?

>spitting on Messer's memory like that

He should have just shut up and glared at Keith like how Mirage just looked at Herman with scorn.

>I can't taint her songs with blood
>Kills Belri
>Shoots at Keith's cockpit

Hayate has only had one kill, and it was unassisted and against a complete rookie.
Her songs haven't led to any deaths.

I'm just enjoying the fact that Hayate loves Freyja that much. Even if he doesn't physically show it like previous MCs.

>loves
(lol

Teen love at best. He only saves her constantly because she endangers herself constantly. They only want to fuck each other so often because no one ever talked to them or wanted to know them before they met each other. Their romantic development is hobbled and unnatural on many aspects, almost like its forced.

>spitting on Messer's memory like that
Waifus before bros.

He didn't intent to kill Keith. Keith read HIS WIND.

user, he stopped being a hobo to follow her around and she gave him a reason to live and enjoy life.

Flying gave him a reason to live. He just likes hanging around with her because shes the cutest thing in the star cluster.

I'm pretty sure that the thing kid Roid said that he wanted to protect in Keith's manga was probably related to Mikumo and the sanctum.

I do believe that he has the best intentions towards his planet in mind, like he claims, but his ambition got the better of him. As a scholar he saw that he could prove what theory he had using the war as a cover or an excuse and went for it, even if he doesn't realize it.

The other questions are what are Epsilon's objectives and why did Lady M steal Mikumo from Windermere.

>Flying gave him a reason to live.

He doesn't feel the same flying without Freyja's song. Have you paid attention to his character? He was fucking horrified of flying without her singing.

>she endangers herself constantly
She's doing her job.
>unnatural
user, you need a gf. A good relationship is built on trusting and supporting each other. That is HayaFre.

Mikumo is siding with him, so who cares.

Messer has no room to talk though, he's a bigger waifu fag than Hayate.

>He was fucking horrified of flying

He was terrible at dogfighting. That doesn't mean he didn't want to get in the cockpit. He wanted to fly to prove to people that he could do it. Freyja enhances his ability and makes him great at it.

>A good relationship is built on trusting and supporting each other. That is HayaFre.
>literally urged each other to quit the things they loved in life because they were too scared to hurt each other
>didn't even bother to have a serious conversation about it until Mirage sat them down

I'm no Miragefag but lets not pretend they have a romance that comes close to the traditional Macross standard.

Welcome to anime romance.

>user, you need a gf

>didn't even bother to have a serious conversation about it until Mirage sat them down

Mirage did shit, though. They stopped talking and looked awkward after she butted in.

>"protect" Mikumo
>mindfuck her
>jab her in the gut
>tie her up in fetish bondage
>threaten her with a knife in the back
>destroy her newfound sense of self by telling her about her destiny and whatnot
>mindfuck her some more into betraying her only friends and family
>make her cry provably the first time in her life because she cannot control herself and just hurt her comrades
Good job, Roid.

>Teen love at best.

Teen love between a 15 years old girl and a 17 years old boy? NO SHIT.

Compared to Alto and Sheryl?

Mirage did the opposite of sitting them down. They were talking until she interfered where she's not called and the issues weren't even solved then. Because next time she sang, Freyja was PROVED right that was a bad idea.

Mikumo is a biological weapon, nothing more. Stop pretending like it deserves your sympathy.

>saving the star cluster from Windemere is a bad idea

ok

>[gg]
Holy shit, what are you doing?

>lets not pretend they have a romance that comes close to the traditional Macross standard

Of course it's not traditional standard. That's why it's the best couple Macross has ever had. Hayate isn't indecisive, Freyja isn't annoying. The two were willing to sacrifice their talents for each other to continue one with their own. That is supporting each other, "non-miragefag".

Roid didn't mindfuck her. He only awoken her memories as Star Singer. The ones who brainwashed her was Lady M and Xaos.

She's not mind controlled or mindfucked, she turned against Walkure because she chose to be the Star Singer again and the Star Singer sides with Windermere. That's why her gaze is perfectly clear and in control when she cries, because it's painful the decision she took, but she made her choice. Roid only told her the truth, he restrained her so she wouldn't attack him while he did it.

Actually, in this, I'm going to side with Roid. Lady M stole her memory, locked her up and destroyed her agency. Roid had done a lot of shit to Heinz and other planets but he actually helped Mikumo to figure out who she was.

Pic related. His goal was to protect her since the beginning.

>newfag trying to fit in hard

>chose to be the Star Singer again
Except she doesn't. Roid literally causes her physical pain by saying the force override words that activate that glowy tattoo shit over and over again until she sings and cannot hold it back anymore. If Mikumo was in control she would never sing against Walkure.

My sides.

>he doesn't like my meme subs so he must be a newfag
Whatever makes you sleep at night, m8.

He doesn't overrode shit, user. Rewatch again. Her gaze is CLEAR, she's not mind controlled. She chose to sing against Walkure. She's in pain because they were her friends.

It's a existential crisis because all the time she had been controlled by Xaos against her own people but she likes Xaos too. The "tattoo shit" isn't mind control, is her mark as Star singer. He only awoke her memories of her past. The past memories of who she used to be are in conflict with the identity she forged for three years.

He's not controlling anything. Remember when Ranka or Freyja were controlled? They had dull eyes. Mikumo's eyes and gaze are clear and expressive. She only wanted to sing, now she found her reason to sing.

It was for Windermere.

The birdmen squad getting rekt was the funniest part of the episode

hayate x mikumo otp

Assuming no new shocking revelations in the last few episodes, its increasingly clear that Lady M somehow found out about the Star Singer, the apocalyptic fate of the original protoculture race, and the effect of the protoculture ruins, and stole Mikumo away to prevent another cataclysm. Instead, Lady M deployed Mikumo as a deterrent to head off the Star Singer cataclysm and stop the Vars outbreak through the power of song.

Its also possible that Lady M greenlit the entire infiltration mission because she had faith that Mikumo would hold onto her identity as a member of Walkure and use her power to ultimately stop Windemere from initiating a 2nd Protocataclysm.

I wasn't a big shipper of Alto and Sheryl, but I get what you mean. HayaFre's romance feels way more juvenile.

Also, this ep made me realize again that in the end I prefer the main trio when they are platonic with each other.

I'm genuinely interested in how miragefags will react if Hayate reveals he also loves Freyja.

>It's just brotherly love. That kiss or hug means nothing. M-Muh tradition.

>Freyjafag still delusional

24 episodes and nothing, b-bbbut t-tthey'll s-save that f-for the f-finale!

Kek

They're obviously saving it for the finale because she will die with her fist/last kiss. This will set up the compilation movies where Kawamori will sell a happy ending where she lives.

Freyja had more than Mirage. Which admittedly isn't hard to be more than nothing.

>>Freyjafag still delusional
To be fair, this crap doesn't deliver a love triangle.

NUNS have been inspecting the cluster's ruins for a while, so maybe she stole Mikumo because she feared she'd end in their hands? Because I really doubt Windermere even knew what her purpose was, since this is all Roid's idea and back then he was 13. Still, something is fishy here.

Alto gets a kiss from Sheryl in the first half of the show. What does he do to earn it? He takes Sheryl to a giant mall. Pretty much everyone agreed Sheryl was too good for Alto just like how Misa was too good for Hikaru. Hayate and Freyja actually deserve each other.

If this wasn't a Kawamori show, I'd be fully expecting something going horribly wrong with the Goatse Engine summoned at the end of the episode and Roid never having been properly trained in it's operation.

I always suspected Immeldad bombed Windemere because he discovered a NUNS black site project involving the protoculture ruins and the implications were so awful that he had to erase everything.

user, she writhes in pain when the tattoos after Roid said the words appear, trying to stop herself. Her eyes are clear because she is fully conscious of what she is doing, which doesn't mean she's doing it willingly.
Her conviction of being herself and singing for Walkure was already solidified in the episodes before, this time she's being forced to do it against her will.
If it was just her "realization" then why the fuck would it look like those glowy tattoos are forcefully invading her?

Also, there is no reason for Mikumo herself to consider Windermere her people or home or anything. Remember the times when Walkure tried to encourage her said Mikumo is Mikumo, no matter her past and she even repeated it saying she's herself.
Even before this she never gave a shit about her own past. She already concluded for herself that she is her own person and sings because she wants to, not because Lady M or anyone made her to.
Mikumo is Mikumo. Mikumo isn't the star singer. This whole conflict is all about Roid forcing her to be someone she isn't.

So much for never losing control again. Why'd he smile though?

What part of

>Windemere is destined to be the master of the protoculture

do you not undersatnd?

And that's why you make your clones with remote self destruct button.

Roid's speculation about Windermeran's destiny is entirely biased and unsubstantiated.

I keep reading this theory and I find it very unlikely. The nuke is being portrayed as the worst of the worst, as completely unforgivable. And I can't see Immeldad wiping an entire city for this reason.

>3rd reich is destined to last 1000 years
welp

In these two eps I couldn't help but notice that Hayate was "paired" with Keith, Mirage with Herman and Freyja with Bogue, as if they were foils to each other. Hayate and Keith talk about the wind, Mirage and Herman about flying and Freyja and Bogue have the songs dilemma going on between them.

"At least my girl isn't singing a song like Axia, so I won't die."

The loss of one city pales in comparison to the loss of everything.

Alto was pretty mature for his age. One of his flaws though, was his arrogance, that resulted from his own fight against destiny: pilot or actor. He gets his first taste of reality when the VF-25's pilot dies in front of him to the Vajra. He gets a second taste of it when Ozma punches him in the face when he thinks he's good enough to ride a Valkyrie just because in the heat of an invasion, he got his dick wet once. Successive events curb his arrogance and ultimately he becomes the ace of Macross Frontier.

Sheryl is much the same way, prior to arriving to Frontier, she was a hotshot herself; being the Galactic Fairy. However, by meeting Alto, she falls in love--and as it happens, around this time her disease begins to kick in full force. It humbles her, curbing her arrogance as she comes to face with her desire for love with the potential fact that she might die before that love blooms. Further, she's also dealing with the blooming rivalry with Ranka, the uncertain future of her birth ship Macross Galaxy, and the ongoing conflict with the Vajra and all that is demanded of her, and everyone around her.

And then these two characters meet, and basically develop around each other's pluses as well as flaws. Comparing them to Hayate and Frejya, it's night and day. Hayate and Freyja are much more innocent and their confrontation with mortality is far less absolute. Thus, their struggles are far less significant, which means the arrogance that comes with age, isn't being addressed as quickly.

And that I think is ultimately the problem with Delta. It due to it's IDOL GROUP nature, has decided to take a more innocent approach to the elements that prevail in Macross--but has in the process, lost the hard conflict that balances innocence with maturity. Thus, you're left with a rampant innocent love that is clashing hard with the brutal nature of the NUNS v Windermere war, but without a balance of either. It all feels contrived by the end.

user, everyone in the show agrees that was horrible beyond words, and Wright is being portrayed by those who knew him as someone who would never commit such a crime.

The necessary evil for the sake of greater good is never portrayed as a heroic view in anime. And they've always shown Wright as a honestly good guy, not an antagonistic character.

The same characters also confess that NUNS might be hiding something else about the story.

Wright could've just been a corpse in a NUNS remote controlled plane.

Yeah, I think so too. Although even now I'm not so sure it was NUNS, since it could have been Epsilon. Still, apparently NUNS brought a DE to Windermere, not even Arad doubts it and I don't think they brought such a weapon for no reason at all (what if they feared that the Windies could awake the Star Singer and use her against them?).

Roid deserves this and worse.

>Walküre
>Var cure
How did I not notice this before Heinz said it this episode. Fuck.

>However, by meeting Alto, she falls in love

This is the fatal problem you just skipped over like it's nothing. Why does she fall for him? Why did he deserve a kiss very early on in the show? HayaFre is definitely more innocent compared to AltoSheryl but like other anons said, they deserve each other a lot more than Alto with Sheryl. I can tell you now that if Hayate and Freyja were to kiss for the first time next episode or the final episode, it would feel a thousand times more satisfying than Alto and Sheryl's first kiss which, if I remember correctly, wasn't even serious since it was in that Macross Zero/Beach Bikini episode.

Two divas who have fun together and who also understand each other pretty well because they have in common that they both enjoy the thrill of performing?

>Hey!
>What did you do to our Mikumo!
>She's only three you perverted four-eyes!
>*got punched

we're already in ep 24 and we've had some casualities but how far do you think kawamori will go in the next episode? also will you be upset if freiya dies? you know very well what that space melanoma means

Not that user but it's because Alto treats Sheryl like a normal person instead of a diva, she herself said it to him in ep 5.

Please no. Not my Maki-Maki. I'm praying for you, my girl.

Yet that one diva acts like he can't make a choice in the end so he says "you're both my wings" to remedy this.

>asking for a reason for why a girl fell in love

Really?

It's mainly this: , and the theme that ties them together is this: >you're both my wings

Kawamori did NOT direct the final episode. Some other guy did, and he coped out. This is pretty much a fact. Kawamori directed Sayonara no Tsubasa where he explicitly denies Ranka's feelings, and explicitly confirms Sheryl's. The real final episode of Macross Delta, is actually the second movie.

FUCK. Frontier. Real final episode of FRONTIER is the second movie.

>Makina gets shot
>the guy who shot her won't be reprimanded or pay for his life

>second movie has Kawamori's true ship
>second movie has worse conclusion overall

Sayonara song is literally the only redeemable thing about it

Mikumo was the goal, everyone else is collateral. Makina dying is of no consequence to Windermere. Given the last 23 episodes, if all of Walkure except Mikumo died, they would all be happy.

>Kawamori did NOT direct the final episode. Some other guy did, and he coped out.

That doesn't change the fact that it happened. Hikaru was a lot more decisive in DYRL, but that doesn't change the fact he was an idiot in SDF. For Delta though, when Haya and Freyja get together, it'll feel a lot more fulfilled than previous couples. Especially since the best we got before was Sayonara no Tsubusa and Alto didn't even get to finish his confession. That's honestly the best they can do?

He deserves a medal for killing the useless yuribait. Yuri a shit.

Kaname is love. Kaname is the best mom.

Alto fucked Sheryl

Alto has gotten kissed by Sheryl, a light peck and a full on deep kiss. In return, he fucked her at a later date. He also kept his promise of returning Sheryl her grandmother's memento--which pretty much proved to Sheryl that he wasn't a flake with no values.

Hanamaru Kindergarten esque miniseries with Mikumo when?
>Mikumo visits BARUKYUURE kindergarten and daycare
>Kaname, Reina and Makina are caretakers there
>Freyja is the newest addition to the staff
>being a newbie she has no backbone when dealing with the kids so she often gets herself bullied by mischievous little Kumo
>Hayate-oniichan, as he is called by the children is her friend who occasionally comes to help
>Arad is the suspicious owner of the kindergarten who always comes and offers the kids dried jellyfish
>the rest of delta squad are also regular visitors
>Mikumo doesn't get along at all with any of the other kids and always hangs around the caretakers
>Mikumo's mom is Lady M who is very busy entrepreneur so she doesn't see her daughter often so Mikumo is treating the Walkures as replacement moms
>they know this and really feel bad for her and spoil Mikumo silly when other kids are home
>her mom never picks her up so Kaname and the others always have to bring her home at the end of the day after everyone is gone
>sometimes they stay in the kindergarten overnight with Kumokumo
>Windie Knights are the alley yankees nearby who keep picking on the girls when they go home during the evenings

Not in the movie which supposedly has a "better ending". Wasn't the sex just in a novelization anyways?

You can't just pick and choose which versions are canon.

Each version has their own shitty characteristic. TV has sex but no confession and sky ending. Movie has confession, no sex and confession isn't even heard. Delta better not fuck it up like before.

>Fucking the turbo slut from Macross Galaxy

Enjoy your Fold AIDS, Alto Hime.

Did you not watch Frontier? Specifically the part where Ranka cures Fold AIDS?

>Mikumo doesn't trust and respect Freyja at all at first and keeps ignoring her and bullying her
>Freyja tries really hard to make Mikumo like her by trying to impress her with her singing
>Little Kumo really is a handful though and often just runs off when no one is looking
>first time this happens to Freyja when she was supposed to watch over her she panics and runs around everywhere trying to find Mikumo again
>meanwhile Mikumo ran out of the daycare and got lost in the streets nearby
>she meets Roid who's loitering in an alleyway
>he sees that she's lost and offers her some candy
>Mikumo, scared and lost, starts crying because this tall and evil looking guy is bent over her holding his hand out to her
>other Windies who were nearby come to see what the fuss is about and see Roid and a crying three year old
>at the same time Freyja, who called Hayate to help find Mikumo spot them
>to them it looks like a bunch of delinquents kidnapped and hurt Mikumo
>they immediately call the police on them, which turns out to be friendly neighbourhood cop Messer
>Keith picks a fight with him and they all get promptly arrested
>Mikumo, after seeing Freyja rescue her starts respecting her

REMOVE HOINA

>killinf Freyja
The whole cast will have to have to eat bullets aimed at her before she kicks the bucket.

Save Macross
Kill Freyja

She won't be killed. She might die from singing herself to death, though. Bonus points if she deteriorates into ash.

>Reina is a highschooler who got caught hacking into something and breaking the law
>as a punishment she had to work at the daycare
>she ended up liking it so much she showed up voluntarily after school to help out even afterwards

What happened to his voice?

>she meets Roid who's loitering in an alleyway
>he sees that she's lost and offers her some candy

user, please.

>Mirage is a police officer in training under Messer
>she shows up a lot in the daycare to teach the children about proper behaviour and safe traffic
>she heard about Mikumo being reckless and running off on her own often so she tries to teach her
>gets ignored by Mikumo who just runs off mid lesson

VA retired because of medical issues.